Stephanie Meyers spent the entire series convincing her readers of the joy and fulfillment of waiting for marriage and having children young, only to write the most horrific birth scene of all time and traumatize half her audience into never having kids.
Even before the birth scene busts through the wall like a bloody Koolaid man, though....Bella going through absolute hell, preparing to die for her baby (and everyone who disagrees with this learning the error of their ways) gave preteen me a STRONG negative gut reaction
The Birth scene very accurately depicts what it feels like being pregnant and getting the kid out. I was never more pro-choice than after I became a mom.
It's insane how literally every problem in this series could have been solved if Edward just turned Bella into a vampire *which is what she wanted all along*
Perhaps that's why she wrote her gender-bent re-release of the first Twilight book to end with fem-Edward turning male-Bella into a vampire. Edit to correct: fem-Edward did not turn male-Bella into a vampire. At the end of the book, the fight with fem-James still happens, but it's too late to stop male-Bella from turning (in the original, Edward sucks James's blood out of her and that's what stops the turning).
In the book it’s stated that he didn’t want to turn her because she only wanted to be a vampire for him . He said it was a permanent decision and that she’d have to disappear for years immediately afterwards because she’d be super bloodthirsty so he wanted her to be sure . HOWEVER , everything really would’ve been avoided if he had just let her turn in the first movie
@@withcindy To be fair, he's barely a cop. I don't think this man does a single cop related thing. Like him being a cop was likely just the first job Meyers came up with.
Same oh my gosh, I saw this when I was in middle school and was so terrified. I remember thinking, if I ever decide to become a mom, I'm adopting. Never having a kid myself.
MOOD i saw it when i was a teenager and that fucking scene just made me go 'ok if i ever had any dreams of giving birth they have been now banished forever to the shadow realm. shit, i think an entire generation of kids have just been scarred off of ever getting pregnant wtf'
Man, I’m not a parent, but thinking about what must’ve been going through Charlie’s head when all of this was going on. ALL of this! Imagine your daughter starts to date this guy only to run off and get hurt in a whole different state, then goes into almost catatonic depression when he leaves her, then gets back together with him and gets married immediately after high school, and all of a sudden she’s cut off contact with you and is apparently ill to the point that she’s telling you she’s going overseas for medical attention (????) but no one will tell you anything at all?????? Like imagine being a parent and going through all this!!
@Death Omen That's because Charlie is a trash father. After he basicallhy sides with the guy who sexually assaults his daughter over his daughter in Eclipse (you really need to read Eclipse to truelly appreciate this aspect of Charlie) Bella and Edward shouldn't give a dam how Charlie feels. Charlie should be thanking god Bella even allows this poor excuse of a father/law enforcement officer to be in her life.
@@strawberryjam7902 i think he was worse in the books, alot of people only know him through the movies where his flaws are more airbrushed (tho i do agree he sucked absolute balls in the books billy black is the real mvp here)
@@Purpelspy don't say "we " I never blamed bella for anything . Being dumb a f isn't her fault she's just trying to make the best of the few braincells she Is spared with . Anyway it's actually Edward's fault for leaving her on the woods so she lost her sanity and Jacob's fault for the bike lessons without a helmet that led to her loss of braincells .
Edward refusing to make Bella a vampire is like if your boyfriend got a tattoo, and hated it, but then becomes a tattoo artist. then you decide you want a tattoo, and your boyfried refuses to give you a tattoo because he had a bad experience with his own. however, he also refuses to let you go to any tattoo artists without him. idk what the analogy was lmfao
Someone: "We could have Jacob accept himself and find new meaning in having a greater role in his community; perhaps after dealing with rejection, he comes to realise that he's been toxic to Leah in rejecting her pain and genuine issues because he's been too focused on his own. He doesn't *need* a love interest to be fulfilled, after all and maybe he could work on his anger issues?" S.Meyer: "Nah, just have him groo-I mean, imprint on Bella's daughter, that's totally normal."
Honestly I think it was just done to tie him to the Cullen family so if the story continues he can still be a major part of it. He might even be the lead with Nessie if Meyers is done trying to torture Bella and Edward.
FR i actually shipped Jacob and Leah, i felt like they could an actually healthy relationship (after a large, large amount of time where Jacob maybe goes to a werewolf therapist)
@thereal finalgirl Honestly I don't think the story was actually ever really going in the direction of Leah and Jacob. I think that was just a red herring. Them having Sam imprintbin Emily was foreshadowing to what was going to happen to Jacob. As far as Jacob being Bellas doormat... it was a two way street. Both emotionally manipulated each other. Neither was really innocent there.
i wish jacob just stayed single or like the “imprint” could be entirely platonic or familial. i think it would be cute for it to just be a uncle relationship with the two of them, rather than him being in love w her like… and he stayed alone for the rest of his life or he found someone else. he was done so dirty i swearrrrr 😭😭😭
I just started laughing so hard when she went into labour and broke her back, smeyer just took those horrific abstinence only sex ed classes to heart and created the worse depiction of pregnancy you could imagine
But Edward and Bella were married, I don’t understand what kind of message she’s trying to portray with this awful pregnancy 😂 cos she’s also anti abortion clearly but also is like yeah child birth is crazy too but don’t have sex until married! What is going on 😅
@@aimun5255 you’re right 😂. It makes no sense what she’s trying to preach. The whole story is like, let’s stay away from being intimate but get so close to sexual tension and float the idea of two men at once as much as we possibly can! The message from Meyer is: Wait until marriage to have sex, but don’t have sex, you will get pregnant! If you fall pregnant, don’t abort the baby! Have the child, but you might die btw and give no one else in your life a say because it’s your body but also it’s not your body cos you have to give it up for this baby. You should always be pro life but I’m also going to show you the most horrific child birth in existence. Soooo do with that what you will 😘
By that definition children are also parasites since they “feed” on the resources of their parents. Don’t have kids if you don’t want but don’t dehumanize them just because they depend on you to survive.
@@birdiejett3163 bruh chill, fetuses are parasitic and pregnancy genuinely has horrific shit about it, don't diminish that for the "miracle of life" or whatever bullshit, pregnancy can be TRAUMATIC and it's not dehumanizing to recognize that
Its so funny because like in the books you can see how stephanie meyer is trying so hard to convice the reader that pregnancy is the best thing in life (you can see her mormonism throughout all of the books) and this movie made a lot of people terrified of pregnancy and having babies, myself included
Idk it was presented as pretty horrifying in the books too it was just that she was suffering for the good of her child as all “good women” do once they get married and lose their personhood /s
Consequences are not important in the american christian ideology, and that includes Meyer's mormon background. The fact that it doesn't make sense makes perfect sense. Hate to be a debbie downer but there's been an uptick in pro-life messages in Christian fiction. Cautionary food for thought :P
Y'know if Bella actually died and the series was actually about a monster isolating a girl from everyone in her life and ultimately causing her death, then Twilight could've been actually pretty decent. If the story was told through Renesme's pov it could've been about her journey to discovering why her father has been absent from her life and how her mom died. It could've been a lesson, a story that originally appeared to be about love but instead was a horror story in disguise. The end could've been revealed to be Renesme studying and summarising perhaps a journal written by Bella during the whole of the twilight series. Renesme could've been shown coming to the conclusions of the story. Anyways, rant over. Thanks Cindy and Ellias for your suffering throughout the viewing of this series.
I watched a series of videos about the books that mention several instances that are written to great effect as intentionally disturbing or horrific. Makes me think Stephanie missed her chance to be the next big horror writer. Videos are by Dominic Noble if anyone’s curious
Stephanie basically said: A woman in a relationship or marriage is meant to suffer out of love and support for her man and his children. That’s what relationships and marriage are all about! ☺️
its the moment where she bends to pick the cup up and you HEAR her bones crack- like i know she wanted edward to break her back but sis this went too far
When Cindy said this movie could have been a horror movie about a girl being manipulated into pregnancy, I realized that it really resembles a movie called Rosemary's Baby, which is an excellent horror about the female body. Do check it out!
Yes! It's so fascinating and disturbing! The paternalistic attitude people take with a pregnant woman telling her "oh your unrelenting pain and inability to keep food down is NORMAL sweetie, quit complaining!" is horrifying because it's so true. Women die because their doctors don't listen to them, even when those doctors don't secretly work for a cult that's trying to birth Satan's baby.
oh god that movie was so disturbing. i still remember the look of pure horror on her face in that very last scene... gave me nightmares. no jumpscares or cgi or anything but i was terrified.
the sad thing is that, as bad of a husband he is, edward at least let bella know the risks of her freaky magic pregnancy. like, he told her it would kill her. rhysand couldn't even do that. how are you gonna be a worse love interest than edward cullen also renesmee's middle name is Carlie. like, a mix of Charlie and Carlisle. that's a normal name! why couldn't they just use that??? smeyer pls
"A horror movie about a monster who traps a person into an unhealthy relationship through marriage and a baby" - not Cindy describing the story I wrote in high school BECAUSE I hated Twilight for this exact reason. 😨
Not gonna lie, reading these books it really felt like Jacob and Leah were gonna be something. Then SMeyer turned around and Uno Reversed all that shit for a literal child.
Leah was probably a red herring. The whole imprinting thing had to be foreshadowing for Nessie and Jacob. It would have taken up way too much panel time if it was just about Sam and Emily.
Bella's giving birth scene lowkey traumatizing me and i was 9 at that time watching that movie 😭😭 Edit: before anybody jump on me, i was very curious back then since the first thing i saw in my dvd's box was this movie. So yeah, curiousity kills the catーi watched it. There's my confession folks.
Meyer IS pro-life, and still she wrote a perfect nightmare fuel horror story about pregnancy tbh. All of my fears right there 😂 The book is also really graphic and horrific with this scene, honestly she should've become a horror writer lol
Edward smiled when Bella said she'd name their baby Edward Jacob if it was a boy, but you can see in his eyes how hurt and confused he was. What was she thinking? 😆
She had to be trolling with that name. Why would you think either of the men that are in love with you would be “honored” by you naming the baby after Jacob, tf?
That really made no sense. Bella sometimes is completely insensitive toward Edward. I don't see Edward suggesting they name their daughter after Tanya.
I hate how the movie sanitized why Jacob would dislike, even hate, the Cullen’s and make it all about jealousy. As if the fact that the vampires presence forces their tribe to shift, literal children now have their chances for a normal lives taken away. For what? He should have stayed running.
the way i don't even remember reacting to this movie with you 🤣 also i guess we can agree that breaking dawn walked so a court of silver wings and ruin could run. (aka me being in this relationship so you can thrive in your own life) 😌
Okay, but the birth scene is horrifying. Her back breaking as if she's in one of those possession horror movies, the fact that Renesmee was killing her, the fact that Edward had to keep biting her, all the blood. Truly nightmarish. And god, not Jacob talking about how imprinting isn't this consensual or happy thing, only for him to imprint on Bella's daughter is just...well.
@@lightworker221 Yup. Which, no. Given what he said earlier about imprinting, he wouldn't be happy about it. He'd have a lot of issues with it and would really struggle with the idea.
@@alxh3727 there's filming rules for babies and children, because they cannot work a full day, they can only be on set for 4 hours, so filmmakers have to work around that. not excusing the monstrosity that was resumé but yeah
Bella and Jacob just look so good together bc they're so comfortable with each other (possibly bc of the actors' friendship together?) and bc they are have both platonic and romantic love while Bella and Edward are just plain obsessed and infatuated from the first sec, it's too lust based for me and not enough substance to be a believable romance idk
I was for it until Jacob becomes a werewolf, he becomes incredibly annoying and pushy in my opinion. I know he initially after the change is super aggressive but I felt like he was way more loveable before which always made me sad.
@@mariama1735 That was true BEFORE he became a werewolf. In Eclipse he sexually assaulted Bella and emotionally blackmailed her with threats of suicide. Nothing healthy about that ... it became very toxic. Jake's temper drove Bella away half the times she went to visit him. Him imprinting basically saved the friendship.
My friends and I had recently sat down for a Twilight marathon too. Watching these movies again now make me realize how disgustingly controlling and manipulative both Edward and Jacob are. I still don’t understand how anyone thought they were so perfect and dreamy. I see why I shipped Bella with Alice when I was younger.
Thank you Cindy for pointing out that anything resembling happiness has been few and far between. Their relationship has mostly been filled with angst, emotional manipulation (on both sides), scary suicide ideation (again on both sides), gaslighting, and more. Seriously. What is romantic about this???
Yeah they seem to have a couple fun moment on their honeymoon playing in the waterfall and on the boat but that’s... it. For all of his faults Bella seems to enjoy herself more with Jacob but that was ruined :/
@@emilymoran9152 It had something to do with vampire venom being able to serve as blood surrogate... (Learned it from Dominic Noble's reviews of the books) Still doesn't explain why an undead could father children, though (imo).
But then comes P2 and she suddenly shows deep emotions... (Which for me proves that her desire to become a vampire was her unconscious reason to pursue a relationship with Edward after all. ...which probably is wishful thinking of me and not what Stephenie intended but still ^^')
I think that's sort if the fun thing about this movie. It starts out the way most movies finish... with a happily ever after marriage and honey moon. Then it proceeds to rip every ounce of happiness from them.
As an 18 year old I don't know how Bella was getting married and having a kids at 18. Like I have a mini heart attack whenever I have to ask the waiter for extra ketchup. Also kids are just not for me so getting pregnant like that is like my worst nightmare.
between them making an accurate insomniac pregnant bella doll which could be in a horror movie and deciding to make a cgi baby who was born from the depths of the hell… the wasted potential of making this a horror movie.
Yesssss. We all know we're following this marathon just to see Cindy eventually react to the trainwreck of the finale. Ellias' bravery for watching Breaking Dawn twice though ahdjndnd
I remember reading the book when I was 14 and being horrified. I'd gone into the series hoping for something creepy and after 3 books Stephenie Meyer gave me my dysphoric nightmare lol.
lmao i just realised this is probably horror for kristen stewart since there is a very realistic doll of hers looking like it hasn’t slept for years and has been feeding on vampire eye candy only and pregnant saijsijajdsishdih
The ingredients for a great supernatural thriller were right there! Even Rosalie brought some to the table with that whole Hand That Rocks The Cradle vibe. All that was missing was Bella waking up for revenge then tearing everyone apart. Rosalie last, Jacob second to last because he'd jump in front of Rosalie to defend the baby. The last scene should be Bella, newborn vampire, tearfully drinking her dad's blood and feeding his heart to the baby.
If her human body is so incompatible with a vampire baby, how was she able to get pregnant on the first try? 🙄😂 at least Feyre and Rhysand were going at it everyday so it made more sense in their case
13:50 I recommend reading Therealvinelle's Tumblr blog about this as her perspective on the Twilight franchise is very unique, i.e it actually being much more like Lolita rather than a straightforward romance story, as well as other interesting theories like Esme being the Other Mother, Volturi being the good guys, Edward being completely demented only seeing Bella as a hamburger and Bella's complete misunderstanding of what being a vampire means.
I always wondered if Bella ever thought of anyone else in her journey, aside from Edward and Jacob, she was ready to have her friends and parents think she was dead until they passed, we never saw her internalizing everyone she knew would eventually die
Yessss! I have such a hate love relationship with this series (most of the love is just nostalgia) The movies and books are so horrible in so many ways but it’s my childhood and Im also in love with Kristen Stewart so there’s nothing I can do about it
As someone who wants to have kids one day, this scene gave me so much fucking trauma I truly hope my wife will be willing to go through childbirth or else we're adopting.
Childbirth honestly scares me like nothing else. That’s why I’m hesitant to have children. I don’t mind having one tho but the process scares the hell out of me.
Bella feeling the baby kicking around and freaking out after a day is so "oh my god my bf didn't pull out fast enough" the first time pregnancy scare but real. Lol
I think in the books Jacob was seen as more childish because he was a year or so younger than Bella, but the movies changed that to market Team Edward vs Team Jacob. Also, Part 2 has some of the most iconic bad lines because at that point the franchise was over so who cares.
I pointed this out in another video before- Bella drinking the blood to "feed the baby" would only kill her faster. A baby derives its nutrition from teh mothers bloodstream, meaning anything it "eats" has to pass through the mothers bloodstream first. Thus, bella would *have* to digest the blood first before the baby could get to it. However, humans CANNOT digest blood, cause hemoglobin breaks up into some pretty nasty chemicals, and blood itself is very heavy in iron. Drinking blood would damage bella's digestive system and giv eher iron poisoning before the demon baby gets any nutrition. Ironically, they should've just kept giving her Iv's.
Their honeymoon being shot in Brazil was a huge thing in here, I remember seeing on TV the helicopters flying around the set trying to capture any footage of the actors. Robert and Kristen must have been exausted back in the twilight days.
Literally started listening to Midnight Sun this week and Edward keeps talking about making sure everything is "Bella's choice" .... did he walk so Rhysand could run 😂
Bella 💁🏻♀️: Edward, I want you to blow my back out on our honeymoon.
Edward 🧛🏻: ...
Demon Baby 👹: Say no more, sis
NOOOOOOOOO
Someone had to do the job! 💁🏽♀️
That’s a gold star joke ⭐️
@@withcindy Yes 😩
Omg I am deadddd
Stephanie Meyers spent the entire series convincing her readers of the joy and fulfillment of waiting for marriage and having children young, only to write the most horrific birth scene of all time and traumatize half her audience into never having kids.
the joy... the fulfillment... where is it....
The irony!
Maybe that was her plan all along 🤔
The fullfillment is in the near death experience girl 😌
Even before the birth scene busts through the wall like a bloody Koolaid man, though....Bella going through absolute hell, preparing to die for her baby (and everyone who disagrees with this learning the error of their ways) gave preteen me a STRONG negative gut reaction
I love how Rosalie is just vibing with the baby while Bella dies in the other room, my queen 👑
The way she only cared about the baby but not Bella literally dying 😭
@@withcindy and I always loved that. Rosalie just wanted the baby all along, she always wanted to be a mother. She was READY
I mean... isn't that pro lifers though? 😃
@@withcindy not far from how most pro-life people behave ngl lmaoo
@@Dell-ol6hb nah after the baby is born you can chuck it in a fire for all they care, they're only pro birth and anti women's rights
The vampires may be pro-life but this entire movie is just an advertisement for being pro-choice
Period
Facts
The Birth scene very accurately depicts what it feels like being pregnant and getting the kid out. I was never more pro-choice than after I became a mom.
Holy hell I hadn't noticed
It's funny because this was written by a Mormon
It's insane how literally every problem in this series could have been solved if Edward just turned Bella into a vampire *which is what she wanted all along*
Truly 😭😭
For real though!
Perhaps that's why she wrote her gender-bent re-release of the first Twilight book to end with fem-Edward turning male-Bella into a vampire.
Edit to correct: fem-Edward did not turn male-Bella into a vampire. At the end of the book, the fight with fem-James still happens, but it's too late to stop male-Bella from turning (in the original, Edward sucks James's blood out of her and that's what stops the turning).
@@paulinapaola that's... a thing?
In the book it’s stated that he didn’t want to turn her because she only wanted to be a vampire for him . He said it was a permanent decision and that she’d have to disappear for years immediately afterwards because she’d be super bloodthirsty so he wanted her to be sure . HOWEVER , everything really would’ve been avoided if he had just let her turn in the first movie
Charlie is the real victim here. Somebody has to save him
Right?? 😭😭
ACAB tho
@@withcindy Charlie is the only exception
@@withcindy To be fair, he's barely a cop. I don't think this man does a single cop related thing. Like him being a cop was likely just the first job Meyers came up with.
@@ButterflyScarlet Yeah, considering it's also Forks and Bella describes it being boring and uneventful af since no one else knows about vampires
this movie really solidify the whole "never ever having a kid forever" for me when i was 12 lmao
Effective birth control ad
Same oh my gosh, I saw this when I was in middle school and was so terrified. I remember thinking, if I ever decide to become a mom, I'm adopting. Never having a kid myself.
MOOD i saw it when i was a teenager and that fucking scene just made me go 'ok if i ever had any dreams of giving birth they have been now banished forever to the shadow realm. shit, i think an entire generation of kids have just been scarred off of ever getting pregnant wtf'
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Ha ha ha 😂 understandable 😁
this movie taps into a primal human fear: a conservative pro-life family
LOL
Both of them the whole time watching the birth: 👁👄👁👍
I am disturbed, disgusted and utterly terrified.
Man, I’m not a parent, but thinking about what must’ve been going through Charlie’s head when all of this was going on. ALL of this! Imagine your daughter starts to date this guy only to run off and get hurt in a whole different state, then goes into almost catatonic depression when he leaves her, then gets back together with him and gets married immediately after high school, and all of a sudden she’s cut off contact with you and is apparently ill to the point that she’s telling you she’s going overseas for medical attention (????) but no one will tell you anything at all?????? Like imagine being a parent and going through all this!!
EXACTLY LIKE WHATTT
For a normal parent that would be a nightmare. Charlie probably barely cares as long as there's a Mariners game on TV to keep him occupied.
@Death Omen That's because Charlie is a trash father. After he basicallhy sides with the guy who sexually assaults his daughter over his daughter in Eclipse (you really need to read Eclipse to truelly appreciate this aspect of Charlie) Bella and Edward shouldn't give a dam how Charlie feels. Charlie should be thanking god Bella even allows this poor excuse of a father/law enforcement officer to be in her life.
@@noelbernabe8704 so true!! no one acknowledges Charlie’s flaws at all, they just praise him blindly and it’s so confusing to me
@@strawberryjam7902 i think he was worse in the books, alot of people only know him through the movies where his flaws are more airbrushed (tho i do agree he sucked absolute balls in the books billy black is the real mvp here)
Jacob has so much more chemistry with Bella that the author had to make him creepy in the last book
Ughhhhh 😭😭
The Tamlin Effect.
I though Jacob had pretty good chemistry in New Moon. But he had zero in the first movie. And I thought the chemistry in Ecliose was only okay.
He was 100% creepy since the beginning.
@@angiewinchester3384 💀💀💀
Bella shows more expressions and personality when she is with Jacob
Can we blame her tho
@Agent Bubble wait so why do we blame bella
@@Purpelspy don't say "we " I never blamed bella for anything . Being dumb a f isn't her fault she's just trying to make the best of the few braincells she Is spared with . Anyway it's actually Edward's fault for leaving her on the woods so she lost her sanity and Jacob's fault for the bike lessons without a helmet that led to her loss of braincells .
I think Bella just mirrors whoever she’s with
@Agent Bubble lol it’s cool, it was funny
Edward refusing to make Bella a vampire is like if your boyfriend got a tattoo, and hated it, but then becomes a tattoo artist. then you decide you want a tattoo, and your boyfried refuses to give you a tattoo because he had a bad experience with his own. however, he also refuses to let you go to any tattoo artists without him.
idk what the analogy was lmfao
Wait why is this so accurate
It makes so much sense tho
Best analogy ever 👍👍
I mean...that's honestly pretty accurate here.
wait omg this makes total sense😭💀
Someone:
"We could have Jacob accept himself and find new meaning in having a greater role in his community; perhaps after dealing with rejection, he comes to realise that he's been toxic to Leah in rejecting her pain and genuine issues because he's been too focused on his own. He doesn't *need* a love interest to be fulfilled, after all and maybe he could work on his anger issues?"
S.Meyer:
"Nah, just have him groo-I mean, imprint on Bella's daughter, that's totally normal."
Period!!
Honestly I think it was just done to tie him to the Cullen family so if the story continues he can still be a major part of it. He might even be the lead with Nessie if Meyers is done trying to torture Bella and Edward.
FR i actually shipped Jacob and Leah, i felt like they could an actually healthy relationship (after a large, large amount of time where Jacob maybe goes to a werewolf therapist)
@thereal finalgirl Honestly I don't think the story was actually ever really going in the direction of Leah and Jacob. I think that was just a red herring. Them having Sam imprintbin Emily was foreshadowing to what was going to happen to Jacob.
As far as Jacob being Bellas doormat... it was a two way street. Both emotionally manipulated each other. Neither was really innocent there.
i wish jacob just stayed single or like the “imprint” could be entirely platonic or familial. i think it would be cute for it to just be a uncle relationship with the two of them, rather than him being in love w her like… and he stayed alone for the rest of his life or he found someone else. he was done so dirty i swearrrrr 😭😭😭
I just started laughing so hard when she went into labour and broke her back, smeyer just took those horrific abstinence only sex ed classes to heart and created the worse depiction of pregnancy you could imagine
LITERALLY THE SOUND WHEN SHE BROKE HER BACK WAS TERRIFYING
SM is a mom, so I think that terrifying moment actually came from her personal experience.
And that makes it creepier.
But Edward and Bella were married, I don’t understand what kind of message she’s trying to portray with this awful pregnancy 😂 cos she’s also anti abortion clearly but also is like yeah child birth is crazy too but don’t have sex until married!
What is going on 😅
@@jimmehsullivan123 the secret ingredient is the Mormonism 😂
@@aimun5255 you’re right 😂. It makes no sense what she’s trying to preach. The whole story is like, let’s stay away from being intimate but get so close to sexual tension and float the idea of two men at once as much as we possibly can!
The message from Meyer is: Wait until marriage to have sex, but don’t have sex, you will get pregnant!
If you fall pregnant, don’t abort the baby!
Have the child, but you might die btw and give no one else in your life a say because it’s your body but also it’s not your body cos you have to give it up for this baby.
You should always be pro life but I’m also going to show you the most horrific child birth in existence. Soooo do with that what you will 😘
Married at 18, immediately pregnant on your honeymoon and saddled with an immortal child in like less than six months.
Nightmare.
This could be a perfect horror movie… it would have been much better honestly
Bella's daughter IS a monster growing inside her, but all babies actually feed off their host parent to grow. Pregnancy is so DARK
well most of the time you choose to let the baby suck your stomach
By that definition children are also parasites since they “feed” on the resources of their parents. Don’t have kids if you don’t want but don’t dehumanize them just because they depend on you to survive.
@@birdiejett3163 bruh chill, fetuses are parasitic and pregnancy genuinely has horrific shit about it, don't diminish that for the "miracle of life" or whatever bullshit, pregnancy can be TRAUMATIC and it's not dehumanizing to recognize that
@@birdiejett3163 your comment made me throw up a little
@@lrose5522 I agree with you
"Why does she have a shih tzu dog?"
"It reminds her of Jacob"
hONESTLY I'M DEAD LOL
Timestamp? (In case someone happens to watch it while reading this)
@@LB0206 3:22
SAME HAHAHA
@@michelleramirez4507 thx
DEAD LMAOOOO
The fact that Bella's daughter is still a *monstrosity* after such a traumatizing birth scene is beyond me 😬
Right 😭😭😭
renesmé
@@learningmore6227 sure whatever
Not gonna lie, the indigenous characters look more attractive than the white characters
Legit tho
ium don't really know what this means
@@learningmore6227 it means exactly what she said lol
Yes
@@ririschannelx Lmaoo like the comment couldn’t be more clear 🤣🤣🤣
this should literally classify itself as a horror movie for how bad it scarred me emotionally
ya WTF was this....
I feel like this film is responsible for my tokophobia
@@ashildrtheswift3028 i have learned a new word! thank you 💀
Its so funny because like in the books you can see how stephanie meyer is trying so hard to convice the reader that pregnancy is the best thing in life (you can see her mormonism throughout all of the books) and this movie made a lot of people terrified of pregnancy and having babies, myself included
How was pregnancy depicted as a good thing here..... 💀💀💀
@@withcindy The director hates Stephanie Meyer confirmed.
Idk it was presented as pretty horrifying in the books too it was just that she was suffering for the good of her child as all “good women” do once they get married and lose their personhood /s
Girl I can't even get pregnant and this movie made me even more scared of pregnancies than I already was.
Consequences are not important in the american christian ideology, and that includes Meyer's mormon background. The fact that it doesn't make sense makes perfect sense. Hate to be a debbie downer but there's been an uptick in pro-life messages in Christian fiction. Cautionary food for thought :P
Y'know if Bella actually died and the series was actually about a monster isolating a girl from everyone in her life and ultimately causing her death, then Twilight could've been actually pretty decent.
If the story was told through Renesme's pov it could've been about her journey to discovering why her father has been absent from her life and how her mom died. It could've been a lesson, a story that originally appeared to be about love but instead was a horror story in disguise. The end could've been revealed to be Renesme studying and summarising perhaps a journal written by Bella during the whole of the twilight series. Renesme could've been shown coming to the conclusions of the story.
Anyways, rant over. Thanks Cindy and Ellias for your suffering throughout the viewing of this series.
wait why do I wanna write this
I know people are choosing between Edward or Jacob. But in my opinion it’s always been Alice for me.
Exactly!
Commander Erwin Smith. It's an honour to see you here😀
@@mitchierainbow7353 hello
Yes
Same
Twilight being a horror movie would've made me a different person. Not better.. but different.
It would've been a great horror movie
I watched a series of videos about the books that mention several instances that are written to great effect as intentionally disturbing or horrific. Makes me think Stephanie missed her chance to be the next big horror writer.
Videos are by Dominic Noble if anyone’s curious
Stephanie basically said: A woman in a relationship or marriage is meant to suffer out of love and support for her man and his children. That’s what relationships and marriage are all about! ☺️
its the moment where she bends to pick the cup up and you HEAR her bones crack- like i know she wanted edward to break her back but sis this went too far
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When Cindy said this movie could have been a horror movie about a girl being manipulated into pregnancy, I realized that it really resembles a movie called Rosemary's Baby, which is an excellent horror about the female body. Do check it out!
Yes! It's so fascinating and disturbing! The paternalistic attitude people take with a pregnant woman telling her "oh your unrelenting pain and inability to keep food down is NORMAL sweetie, quit complaining!" is horrifying because it's so true. Women die because their doctors don't listen to them, even when those doctors don't secretly work for a cult that's trying to birth Satan's baby.
Yes that actually so true. The 60s original is still such a classic and holds up well imo
oh god that movie was so disturbing. i still remember the look of pure horror on her face in that very last scene... gave me nightmares. no jumpscares or cgi or anything but i was terrified.
This move is scarier than the fucking human centipede
This movie is the reason why free therapy was invented
It truly was 😭😭
@@hikarimitsushima4932 pls no
This was scary, but I'm not sure anything can touch the Human Centipede. Thats still on a whole other level.
@@noelbernabe8704 Tusk might
Cindy crying "WHY IS THIS MORE ROMANTIC!" is me every time a character has insane chemistry with someone who isn't endgame.
😭😭😭
Literally why I can't bear to watch Kdramas anymore.
We don't call her Renesme, Cindy 😭
you can call her any R word, example: regurgitation, resume, richter scale...
Not Richter Scale🤧
@@charltownsend5299 i saw someone in Twilight s*werposting (fb group) call her that 😭
My favorite is Renaissance
Regret
@@erikperhs_ Mine is reconciliation
raunchy thooo
“I’ve waited a century to marry you” sounds like something Rhys would say
stop
No but it’s so true XD
the sad thing is that, as bad of a husband he is, edward at least let bella know the risks of her freaky magic pregnancy. like, he told her it would kill her. rhysand couldn't even do that. how are you gonna be a worse love interest than edward cullen
also renesmee's middle name is Carlie. like, a mix of Charlie and Carlisle. that's a normal name! why couldn't they just use that??? smeyer pls
I remember on the day when this movie was released in theaters, I wore a shirt that said “Team guy who almost hit Bella with a car” to school lol 😂
Omgggg
A true hero
Team Tyler then
"A horror movie about a monster who traps a person into an unhealthy relationship through marriage and a baby" - not Cindy describing the story I wrote in high school BECAUSE I hated Twilight for this exact reason. 😨
I’ve been re-watching these movies and low key I want to rewrite this entire story lol
Cindy: Of course, how else do men show their anger other than by taking their shirts off?
Me: it'd be more interesting if it was a mommy doing that
Ur right 👀
Not gonna lie, reading these books it really felt like Jacob and Leah were gonna be something. Then SMeyer turned around and Uno Reversed all that shit for a literal child.
Leah was probably a red herring. The whole imprinting thing had to be foreshadowing for Nessie and Jacob. It would have taken up way too much panel time if it was just about Sam and Emily.
that’s what i thought too but she’s like four years older than him and he’s only like 16-17 in this movie so :’D
The whole series is a horror movie from Bella's dad's perspective.
Watching Bella in this, I knew I was never going to have kids, vampire or normal.
Same 😭
Bella's giving birth scene lowkey traumatizing me and i was 9 at that time watching that movie 😭😭
Edit: before anybody jump on me, i was very curious back then since the first thing i saw in my dvd's box was this movie. So yeah, curiousity kills the catーi watched it. There's my confession folks.
NOOOOOOO it should be a birth control ad
Yeah,that is the first thing i remember,and it messed me upppp
Didn't this film get a R rating? Sometimes these ratings make sense you know.
A nine year old should definitely not be watching this movie 😐
Girl I pray for you 🙏😩😭
Meyer IS pro-life, and still she wrote a perfect nightmare fuel horror story about pregnancy tbh. All of my fears right there 😂 The book is also really graphic and horrific with this scene, honestly she should've become a horror writer lol
Edward smiled when Bella said she'd name their baby Edward Jacob if it was a boy, but you can see in his eyes how hurt and confused he was. What was she thinking? 😆
She had to be trolling with that name. Why would you think either of the men that are in love with you would be “honored” by you naming the baby after Jacob, tf?
That really made no sense.
Bella sometimes is completely insensitive toward Edward. I don't see Edward suggesting they name their daughter after Tanya.
@@noelbernabe8704 Tanya would’ve set their house on fire if Edward had the gall to do that.
He probably thought something like "omg this bitch is really naming our baby with her ex's name"
@@noelbernabe8704 who is Tanya?
I hate how the movie sanitized why Jacob would dislike, even hate, the Cullen’s and make it all about jealousy.
As if the fact that the vampires presence forces their tribe to shift, literal children now have their chances for a normal lives taken away. For what?
He should have stayed running.
the way i don't even remember reacting to this movie with you 🤣 also i guess we can agree that breaking dawn walked so a court of silver wings and ruin could run. (aka me being in this relationship so you can thrive in your own life) 😌
how many likes to name our kid, 'cindellias'.
The way I try not to remember reacting to this movie with u
The child birth scene in this movie is so horrific. I’m scarred for life. I’m never getting pregnant after that….
I had to cover my eyes jesus christ
Okay, but the birth scene is horrifying. Her back breaking as if she's in one of those possession horror movies, the fact that Renesmee was killing her, the fact that Edward had to keep biting her, all the blood. Truly nightmarish.
And god, not Jacob talking about how imprinting isn't this consensual or happy thing, only for him to imprint on Bella's daughter is just...well.
Then S. Meyer tries to convince us that Jacob is happy about it.
@@lightworker221 Yup. Which, no. Given what he said earlier about imprinting, he wouldn't be happy about it. He'd have a lot of issues with it and would really struggle with the idea.
Girl if you think the child looks horrible in the movie, take a look at the animatronic one they were going to use. It was some possessed shit. 😭😭
The what ....
@@withcindy :)
Are real babies too expensive or something?
@@alxh3727 like why not use an actual baby instead of hell cgi or a chuckyvdoll
@@alxh3727 there's filming rules for babies and children, because they cannot work a full day, they can only be on set for 4 hours, so filmmakers have to work around that. not excusing the monstrosity that was resumé but yeah
Okay but honestly? Stephanie Meyer should write body horror. Like, proper horror, not attempting romance with surprise sprinkles of horror.
This is the most pro life movie I've ever seen in my life
But at what cost 😭😭😭
And funnily enough make everyone who watch it pro- choice
The Mormonism popped out
Cindy: Why is there a shih Tzu dog? (In Bella’s room)
Ellias: it reminds her of Jacob
PLZ STOPP 😂😂💀💀
That's his personality inside
Cindy going through the traumatizing birth experience for our entertainment, literal queen 😩
That was.... A lot
im cryingggg the editing during the birth scene was gold 😭💀
We were..... Stunned
Bella and Jacob just look so good together bc they're so comfortable with each other (possibly bc of the actors' friendship together?) and bc they are have both platonic and romantic love while Bella and Edward are just plain obsessed and infatuated from the first sec, it's too lust based for me and not enough substance to be a believable romance idk
yuhhhh
I was for it until Jacob becomes a werewolf, he becomes incredibly annoying and pushy in my opinion. I know he initially after the change is super aggressive but I felt like he was way more loveable before which always made me sad.
@@mariama1735 That was true BEFORE he became a werewolf. In Eclipse he sexually assaulted Bella and emotionally blackmailed her with threats of suicide. Nothing healthy about that ... it became very toxic.
Jake's temper drove Bella away half the times she went to visit him. Him imprinting basically saved the friendship.
@@noelbernabe8704 yeah, that's why i specified new moon, i know how manipulative he becomes in the eclipse movie
@@noelbernabe8704 it's a shame that Stephanie decided to throw Jacob's character in the gutter
Not Bella deciding that if it's a boy, she's gonna name it after her husband and her side dude 💀💀
“ if I was bella I would throw myself down ten flights of stairs “ LMAOOO I can’t rn 💀
Gotta do what I gotta do
IDK if he's confused or offended with Cindy's singing ...
Maybe both
Both
He just doesn’t appreciate your talent cindy
My friends and I had recently sat down for a Twilight marathon too. Watching these movies again now make me realize how disgustingly controlling and manipulative both Edward and Jacob are. I still don’t understand how anyone thought they were so perfect and dreamy. I see why I shipped Bella with Alice when I was younger.
I loved the books and movies 10 years ago. I rewatched the movies a few years ago and was horrified by Edward's controlling behavior.
i find it embarrassing how i am literally sitting alone in my room laughing along with you guys. i have reached peak loser.
No ur our bestie and we are all suffering together
Ey, it's the same for me.
21:40 those expressions sent me laughing hysterically for several minutes. What a great way to end my lunch break. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed our expressions of horror
Omg me too 😆
Thank you Cindy for pointing out that anything resembling happiness has been few and far between. Their relationship has mostly been filled with angst, emotional manipulation (on both sides), scary suicide ideation (again on both sides), gaslighting, and more. Seriously. What is romantic about this???
Exactly!!
Yeah they seem to have a couple fun moment on their honeymoon playing in the waterfall and on the boat but that’s... it. For all of his faults Bella seems to enjoy herself more with Jacob but that was ruined :/
How do vampires even get **it** to stand when they're supposed to be dead?
We don't think about that
Apparently there is an actual author explanation to this, but I've blocked it from my memory
@@emilymoran9152 It had something to do with vampire venom being able to serve as blood surrogate... (Learned it from Dominic Noble's reviews of the books) Still doesn't explain why an undead could father children, though (imo).
If you learn the true explanation you will only think "I couldve gone my whole life without that" so save yourself
@@EleiyaUmei omg why
“The best man didn’t have time to get a tux”
“The beat man was to busy crying in the woods”
(Edit Tysm!! This is the most likes I’ve every gotten)
pretty much
@@withcindy exactly
Cindy you're so right. We haven't really seen Bella happy during the whole franchise
yea........
But then comes P2 and she suddenly shows deep emotions...
(Which for me proves that her desire to become a vampire was her unconscious reason to pursue a relationship with Edward after all. ...which probably is wishful thinking of me and not what Stephenie intended but still ^^')
@@EleiyaUmei I like this theory actually
I think that's sort if the fun thing about this movie.
It starts out the way most movies finish... with a happily ever after marriage and honey moon. Then it proceeds to rip every ounce of happiness from them.
As an 18 year old I don't know how Bella was getting married and having a kids at 18. Like I have a mini heart attack whenever I have to ask the waiter for extra ketchup. Also kids are just not for me so getting pregnant like that is like my worst nightmare.
"Unless he makes an earthquake happen, I am not gonna be impresed" Sarah J Mass has left us with pretty high standars.
between them making an accurate insomniac pregnant bella doll which could be in a horror movie and deciding to make a cgi baby who was born from the depths of the hell… the wasted potential of making this a horror movie.
Cindy entering her furry cocoon for her metamorphosis arc
AWOOOOOOO
Yesssss. We all know we're following this marathon just to see Cindy eventually react to the trainwreck of the finale.
Ellias' bravery for watching Breaking Dawn twice though ahdjndnd
Ellias pretty much forgot ALL of it
@@withcindy I did, too. It's a defence mechanism.
I remember reading the book when I was 14 and being horrified. I'd gone into the series hoping for something creepy and after 3 books Stephenie Meyer gave me my dysphoric nightmare lol.
Seriously...she should write real horror, because she's MUCH better at it than the romance!
@@emilymoran9152 facts
lmao i just realised this is probably horror for kristen stewart since there is a very realistic doll of hers looking like it hasn’t slept for years and has been feeding on vampire eye candy only and pregnant saijsijajdsishdih
Noooooo 😭
Bella either has a 🐱 of steel or Edward is not as competent as he think he is
Why not both
I mean, he is a 100+ yr old pro life virgin
Edward was NOT pro life. He wanted to kill that baby 😭@@momomac3760
The ingredients for a great supernatural thriller were right there! Even Rosalie brought some to the table with that whole Hand That Rocks The Cradle vibe. All that was missing was Bella waking up for revenge then tearing everyone apart. Rosalie last, Jacob second to last because he'd jump in front of Rosalie to defend the baby. The last scene should be Bella, newborn vampire, tearfully drinking her dad's blood and feeding his heart to the baby.
Omg that would have been amazing
If her human body is so incompatible with a vampire baby, how was she able to get pregnant on the first try? 🙄😂 at least Feyre and Rhysand were going at it everyday so it made more sense in their case
I can't tell which makes me more scared, the birthing scene or resumes face. Its a toss up between getting torn up and a demon baby
Both are terrifying 😭
cindy and elias being horrified at the horror of the birth scene and here I am howling in laughter because of the the editing
im glad u find amusement in our HORROR
13:50 I recommend reading Therealvinelle's Tumblr blog about this as her perspective on the Twilight franchise is very unique, i.e it actually being much more like Lolita rather than a straightforward romance story, as well as other interesting theories like Esme being the Other Mother, Volturi being the good guys, Edward being completely demented only seeing Bella as a hamburger and Bella's complete misunderstanding of what being a vampire means.
Poor Cindy. She can't get away from these "romance stories" with toxic male love interests and their pregnant wives.
When CG Bella giving birth kinda looks like Golem freaking out about the ring.
kristen needs to star in more horror movies
YESSS
Legit! She’s really grown as an actor too (though she really wasn’t given much to work with these movies in the first place) she’d be really good!
0:01 me everytime the main character does something
Same
I always wondered if Bella ever thought of anyone else in her journey, aside from Edward and Jacob, she was ready to have her friends and parents think she was dead until they passed, we never saw her internalizing everyone she knew would eventually die
This is fucked up
Yessss! I have such a hate love relationship with this series (most of the love is just nostalgia) The movies and books are so horrible in so many ways but it’s my childhood and Im also in love with Kristen Stewart so there’s nothing I can do about it
Embrace it boo
Cindy being team Jacob is such a furry thing to do.
AWWWWOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
As someone who wants to have kids one day, this scene gave me so much fucking trauma I truly hope my wife will be willing to go through childbirth or else we're adopting.
I say adopt
Childbirth honestly scares me like nothing else. That’s why I’m hesitant to have children. I don’t mind having one tho but the process scares the hell out of me.
@@jazmine6705 same !! i actually like kids and would like to have my own one day but _childbirth_ and the price of adoption just stand there ominously
I never got into the books/show during their heyday, but I watched them as an adult. I was laughing so much through all of the movies. 🤣🤣🤣
They are so ridiculous 😭
@@withcindy Oh my word, I just got to your reaction to the birth. I'm dying. These movies are BUCK WILD 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was basically my reaction to the books when they came out, but some of humor faded when I saw how invested people were and thought, "Yikes!"
Still can't believe that SJM actually wrote a fairy Twilight AU and got it published under the title "A Court of Silver Flames" 👀
Bella feeling the baby kicking around and freaking out after a day is so "oh my god my bf didn't pull out fast enough" the first time pregnancy scare but real. Lol
Friends save you from suffering
Real friends drag you to suffer with them
So true 😭
No lie, I'm wheezing. Your shock when Bella's back breaks is priceless. I can die happy now.
Cindy every time Booboo Stewart was on screen: oh, that one is kinda cute.
If that's not me hahahaha
Breaking Dawn... that one TL movie that had to put a weird ass CGI baby...
and where Jacob falls for a CHILD
I try not to think about that
Rhysand would have changed Bella into a vampire because *it's her choice*
Cindy being horrified by the childbirth scene is such a mood
I forgot I avoided BD pt1 specifically because of how horrifying Ratata's birth is. From that moment on I knew I never wanted to become pregnant ever.
I think in the books Jacob was seen as more childish because he was a year or so younger than Bella, but the movies changed that to market Team Edward vs Team Jacob. Also, Part 2 has some of the most iconic bad lines because at that point the franchise was over so who cares.
I suddenly want to write an essay titled "Twilght: A horror movie through red tinted glasses". I haven't been in school in a decade, but still
Not Cindy acting still like she hates Twilight after 4 videos of obsessing over Jacob 🙄🙄🙄🙄
👀👀👀🐕🐕🐕
If ya'll don't co-adopt a goldfish and name it Cindellias I'm going to be so mad.
and call it's sister cindelliera
I pointed this out in another video before-
Bella drinking the blood to "feed the baby" would only kill her faster. A baby derives its nutrition from teh mothers bloodstream, meaning anything it "eats" has to pass through the mothers bloodstream first. Thus, bella would *have* to digest the blood first before the baby could get to it. However, humans CANNOT digest blood, cause hemoglobin breaks up into some pretty nasty chemicals, and blood itself is very heavy in iron. Drinking blood would damage bella's digestive system and giv eher iron poisoning before the demon baby gets any nutrition.
Ironically, they should've just kept giving her Iv's.
Their honeymoon being shot in Brazil was a huge thing in here, I remember seeing on TV the helicopters flying around the set trying to capture any footage of the actors. Robert and Kristen must have been exausted back in the twilight days.
Literally started listening to Midnight Sun this week and Edward keeps talking about making sure everything is "Bella's choice" .... did he walk so Rhysand could run 😂