How To Track A Rock Band Live To Tape!
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2016
- Here is a view into my daily life as a music producer. This is part one of a two parter on how and why to track a rock band to tape. It's hard to beat the low-end thump and transient compression of good old analog tape! I will show you how what happens before and after drums hit tape. It's a beautiful sound for all you audiophiles out there.
The microphone on the kick in at 1:00 is actually an ElectroVoice RE20 not a Sennheiser RE20. I say the correct mic but typed in in wrong. Sorry!
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More of this type stuff Rick. There isn't enough quality footage on You Tube of professional live tracking of full bands with detailed setup info and such. You the man!!!! keep up the good work we love it!
i know I'm pretty off topic but do anyone know of a good website to watch newly released movies online ?
@Jairo Gerald Lately I have been using flixzone. Just search on google for it :)
Always heard people talking about how good tape sounds for recording, and now I see why. Thanks, Rick!
Fantastic! But where the heck is the second video!? Can’t find it anywhere!
Hi Rick, I hope you read this. I want to say thank you for all the great information on your videos. You provide detailed, simple and easy to understand tutorials on every aspect of recording, mixing and making music. There are a lot of people in CZcams with great knowledge but they provide too much information that gets too technical and then hard to follow. You go directly to the point and explain everything in a way that people at all skill levels can understand. Yes, I am a new fan of your videos and I'm learning a lot more thanks to you.
Great to see a comparison of the waveforms. Now I understand why Steve Albini rarely uses compressors. Tape magic!
rick! this is really great but....where is the 2 part? thanks a lot
WHOA! The difference in that waveform is wiild, especially the snare. Also, that compression makes them look so much cleaner. This makes me really want to get a tape recorder, except then I have to deal with the upkeep of a tape machine
This is STILL the best. Miss studio days!! Thanks Rick!
Amazing video Rick! Thank you for keepin' us entertained and for providing us some pro information about any music topic there is.. Cheers 🍻
I'll toss in another "funny from down under", or two; firstly, Figure 8 mics. You can use them in a Middle=Side (MS) pair for a really precise stereo recording (string quartets, for instance), or you can exploit one of their really interesting characteristics; almost totally nulling out any sound from the sides. If you are tight on mixer channels and working in a small live venue, use a small Fig 8 unit like the AKG CK-94 One lobe aimed at he batter-head of the snare, the other at the high-hat. Pretty much everything "off-axis", like the Bass and keyboard / guitar stacks and the rest of the drum kit will be nulled out because they are more-or-less ninety degrees "off axis". See also "wide" percussion instruments like Vibes and such. a pair, tweaked for "best location" on a big mallet-board.
The other 'forgotten" mic" is the PZM / boundary-layer "plate" mics. Some may remember seeing these used as vocal mics on some early 1980's music videos. ALL WRONG; talk about "psycho accoustics". Best used when attached (gaffer tape is your friend, mostly) to a large, hard flat surface like a wall or floor, otherwise, because of their size, they have outrageous "high-pass" characteristics. Recording a big pipe organ? A spaced pair of "hemisphericals" on the hard wooden floor captures the entire organ AND the room in impressive style.
Recording a close-harmony backing vocal? Tape a spaced pair onto the "big" control-room window. Standing a few feet back, the singers face the window, not a mic stand in sight, and do their stuff. THEY do the musical balance and feel the harmonies; you just catch all the goodness. In such an application, if you lack real PZMs, you can fake a boundary layer mike by taping a pair of GOOD mini-mics, (DPA 4060, or Sennheiser MKE2 or similar, to the wall or the window. This use of mics is closely related to the old theatre trick of a row of "foot-mics", often AKG 451s with a CK1 head amounted via an a-51 "knuckle" adapter along the front of a stage. The mic assembly must be "sof-mounted to the ploor for obvious reasons. They are not there to catch the footsteps (normally) but originally to catch enough of the performers voices for some subtle enhancement. In later days, they were, and remain, the last-ditch backup for when a radio-mic transmitter dies. The performer are 'trained" (as much as possible) to hear and feel when their mic has gone bad, and to line themselves up with a downstage mic and knock 'em dead.
Thanks Rick I love listening to discussions from the engineering side on how music is engineered. I’m especially a big analog fan and own a TASCAM 32 and several other decks.
Another awesome vid rick! Your my new fav!
Rick back-catalog of awesome videos...
a personal favourite after watching your talks on computer music , thanks rick
Great video and great band! Love the tape sound.
Thank you for sharing this. I enjoy all of your videos.
Thanks for being awesome! I'm a musician/teacher (drums) in the atlanta area. Hope to meet you sometime!
I’m really happy to see I’m not the only one using tape to record with. I just wish I had this machine!
More body with tape, to me digital it too sterile
Oh crap you got a 24 track Otari. Very nice I love tape. Rick I live 30 minutes from ATR. Got to know the owner and buy my tape there. The ATR service Center is amazing.
I live for this. It's so valuable.
That's great stuff. I'm happy to say I do almost everything just like you do, aside from that ride cymbal trick! And I have a good collection of large and small diaphragm condensers.... But I managed to lose every sennheiser 421 I ever owned ... And I must have owned about 20.... I even had five of the old white ones from the sixties... I guess they just looked so expensive that people had to just gank them. Now i'm going to definitely do some tracking tonight after I get done fixing my amps. I have 2 Leslie amps in my shop for repair..
A note re: flat wound strings. When they are fabricated, the strings are wrapped on the core, then run though rollers to flatten the strings. When they are made, the strings are drenched in oil to facilitate flattening. On occasion, some of the strings sound dead. This is because oil has been trapped between the core and the wrap. To GREATLY improve the tone of the strings, boil them in water for about 10 min to express all the left over oil. They sound immediately brighter. Give it a try. Steve.
Hi Rick, been watching your videos and subscribed for a few months now. Thoroughly impressed overall by your musical genius by how you've taught your kids! I wanted to ask if you teach how to play by ear or recommend someone who does in TX?
She told me to get a job and i said heck no babes!! LOL Great video folks!!
I had an old Studer A80 2” 24 track machine for a long time. I was lucky to have probably the best maintenance engineer for old Studers in the world, named Otto Garms. He was the house guy at the British world famous studio called Rockfield. He did a bit of outside work and only charged what I could afford, being a small independent studio. The sound was unbelievable and if you could ever find one that is still working and someone who could maintain it, it would knock the spots off the Otari, that you have, no offense. The Studer A820’s were amazing too. Many great records of the bygone era were recorded on Studers, A80’s, The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, Zep, Queen, list goes on. There are still some around.
Man this is such a great video for peeps like me who grew up 100% ITB. What's your take on tracking directly to tape vs bouncing out and back from a DAW?
great video!
Cool stuff. Now I have to research that whole out of phase mic on the toms.... kinda defies logic to me hehe. Great stuff.
well the sound wave is just a result of the skin being deformed, so if you hit it, the upper mic will capture a depression where the down mic will capture a pressure, so if you add those two sound waves they will cancel out, unless you invert one of them :) was that clear enough ?
I’ve always been a person who thought it would be best to track each instrument one at a time and layer it up from there to make it much easier
I had heard that you definitely want to use flat wounds on a Rickenbaker bass, because the fret wire is softer and you'll wear them out much faster. This may only be the case on older Ricks, but that's what I heard.
Thank you so much for this example. I was hoping one day you could explain about the masterization process. If it has stay the same as it in 70 to 90's or has it change with the new tools used in recording today.
On the MTR do you find your choice of tape a factor in tone. Also I noticed the tape play back was quite different to the going to tape have you set up the replay to playback brighter/fuller or are you setting the whole record playback to a spec you prefer to get the best out of the tape you use? By the way tape rocks but nothing will change my mind with CTRL Z
love your vids by the way
Hi Rick, I don't know if I overlooked it on the video, but I missed some critical work flow steps. OK, I got from mic, to cable, but then to where? Board preamp (or desired stand alone pre)? And if using the board pre and are avoiding tracking an eq'd signal, i.e. just want an uncompromised mic/preamp signal to tape, do you come out of the insert send off of the board (if using the board preamp), or, at least, is that a workable option? Hey, thanks for posting this video!
Hey Rick, Great film. What role does Pro Tools play in the session? Do you track to tape, then dump into Pro Tools and mix from there?
Analogue anytime any day!!! Wow!!!!
its actually more saturation/distortion than compression. thats why it sounds much louder. still - in a great way!
Hey Rick, Do you by any chance know a specialist of Otari Tape machine's? greet Ruben!
Do you move the tracks to digital when mixing?
Hey just a heads up that your pop-text @1:00 says Sennheiser instead of Electro Voice. Cool video!
David Lopez I was tired :) I'll fix it
No problem, not complaining but figured you would want the heads up. Big fan!
part 2?
What tape did you use?
AMPEX/QUANTEGY 456, 499,GP9
BASF 900, 911
ATR
And how much bias 355nwm 520nwm etc
What speed did you use and EQ:
15ips, 30ips
AES, IEC, NAB
Thanks for the video
Had some nasty expediences with a bunch of the old Ampex 456. The binder "decayed" and the oxide was being literally wiped off on the tape lifters and guides. I heard that Ampex were offering a "recovery service that involved "baking" the tape pancake, a process that would allow ONE playback pass. Scary stuff. Never had problems with the 3M or Agfa tapes, Used Agfa exclusively in my old Nagra 4S.
Geez...that band is the quintessential hipster band. Like, down to the bassist who really isn't a bass player but has to play a rickenbaker with flat wounds
Supervillan is actually a good name
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What was that music at :25 seconds in?
Wheres part 2?
11:15 is that a Saul Goodman action figure on the monitor?
I am confused, does Sennheiser make an RE20?
Where is part 2?
Did the bassist say his pickups are microphonic?
Or did I misheard?
If he did, am I missing out on something? Last time I checked pickups weren't, what's going on here? Have I been living inder a rock? Care to explain, guys, pls? :c
He used the term incorrectly. A microphonic pickup is when the glue holding the magnet and the windings together loosens up and vibrates, making the pickup act like a microphone. If you yell at it you can hear your voice through the amp. That's not a good thing and when it happens it needs to be fixed. Can cause feedback problems and stuff.
I love the sound of tape, but couldn't one achieve the same effect with an outboard compressor? Or, in worse case, a plugin?
Nope.......plugins and compressors are great but they are not substitute for real tape. ;-)
@jeddak the post was long ago... but I've done work, including pro work on various tape machines before digital got popular, and to answer, it would be pretty silly if it was mandatory to use tape in order to achieve the desired compression shape. so Yes, you can achieve the effect with a plugin. I know because I didn't want to spend oodles of money and time to have machines continually serviced. I had to work a long time to figure out what gave the mix and/or drums a good sound, and I got it. So do a lot of other people. People who say it's impossible are Wrong. It frequently starts arguments, but I used to mix this way by using tape, so I know what it does and what it sounds like. You can tell when you have it right if first you know what you want the tape to do and how to listen. If you can do that, you can get what you want.
@@jjboogie1 Of course they're a substitute for real tape. And these days, a perfect substitute.
@@davecarsley8773 They are indeed great. I love my tape emulations. :-)
Way cool, Supervillian is da tits! +1 for Zod Audio
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And I thought how someone would use cassettes in 21 cent.
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Sorry, but what the hell is the point if we can´t listen to the recording, instead you give us the cameras audio.
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12:18 I love rick, but that is not a good sounding snare..