DO WE REALLY USE OUR HIPS?? (IN DISC GOLF)
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Been saying this for years. Check out my Whip Step Drill, Butt Wipe Drill, Crush the Can Drills.
Thank you for your work. I have seen some of your videos in the past. That’s the cool thing about disc golf. Everyone learns differently. Imo your style is unique but you have done a fantastic job reaching so many people. I appreciate you and all of your efforts! Keep on keeping on! Thanks for the comment!
Love this! To add to this conversation from a sports performance coach and former collegiate baseball player perspective, there's 2 things that I find people having issues with. They're the same reasons that baseball players gain an advantage in disc golf.
1) weight shift
2) hip-shoulder separation
Like you said in the video, that linear movement is transferred to rotational using that front foot. Linear movement is going to be more accurate and faster. Since our legs are slower than our upper half, it's important that our lower half works efficiently. That's the weight shift.
The shoulder-hip separation is the slowness you're talking about. Leaving that upper body behind to create lag which in our sport is power.
Great stuff dude!
Thanks for these insights dude!! Dropping knowledge for everyone! I love it! Thanks for your comment!
I'm also a former college athlete (wrestling) and I'm just coming back to the game after a long break.... Ironically I can mash a baseball but have always struggled with mechanics for driving a disc. I think it's mostly just timing but I really struggle to access my power and strength in constructive ways
@@CFagan feel free to shoot me a pm on Instagram! Could take a peak at your form!
@@TannerMcCartney I will soon! I had nose surgery a few weeks ago so I'll be getting back to throwing in the next couple weeks. Very much appreciated
Speedy recovery to you! Hollar when you are healed up!
Mobility coach just had me do a medicine ball against the wall too.
Heavy weight, like 3-8 pounds, thrown slowly to the side will automatically cause your body to snap through the move. Once you feel it go out into a field and do that exact same move. You’ll finally be able to throw dead straight.
Yes! So glad you are getting in the gym to see improvements! I believe it’s the way of the future!
Man I've watched a lot of disc golf tutorial videos, but this one hit me. I am constantly thinking about rotating because that's all that is ever talked about, which in turn causes me to round the disc all day. Thank you for this...a new perspective and great insight!
I’m so glad it clicked! My thoughts have evolved so much over the years. This is definitely the best way I have thought about it IMO. I struggled a long time trying to chase this feeling. 7+ years of work to get to this point and I feel like it’s only just beginning. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that since I started doing more mobility and training in the gym over the last 7 months, I have become more in control of the muscles that need to be used to throw the disc.
Taking a step back from trying to hop on the pro tour I decided to focus more on content. I feel like my thought processes differ from others and am excited to keep sharing everything that I have learned that has gotten me to this point!
First time seeing one of your videos, not even halfway through watching it, and I've already subbed. The disconnect between conventional wisdom and what's actually going on is such an important thing to explore in sports, and you have the thoughtfulness, curiosity, and humility to discover insights and communicate them in a digestible way. Keep up the killer work.
Wow. Thank you very much for these words! It truly means a lot. I like to think I’m a student of the game. I never want to stop being curious! This game has provided so much for me. I feel in debt to start sharing it with others in a way I would have wished to been taught. I am not perfect by any means. But I’m always willing to learn and reassess when needed.
Im blown away by all of the responses this video has gotten! Thank YOU for being apart of this journey! I look forward to connecting with more people!
As a disc golf coach that is exactly correct. The hips are the lever used to initiate the uncoil. It’s also a part of the weight shift
Thank you for tuning in! I appreciate you!
I love this video! This is my first year throwing right hand backhand . I’ve been stuck around the 300 ft mark consistently. I’ve slowed it down and noticed a lot of key points that Tanner talks about.
@@matthewa8800 the backhand IMO is so much harder to develop than the side arm. It’s definitely a grind but well worth it! Glad this video gave you some validation! Stay consistent and you’ll see growth! Best of luck to you!
This is multiple videos worth of great information... thanks for this 💪
I’m honored to have you guys watch my video👊🏼
Maybe I’ll break some of this into bits and go more into depth!
Last slo-Mo sold it for me. That front hip snapping in added so much power. Thank you for the video
Thank you! More content coming!
I think you're right on the money, so not crazy or bogus! This will help me on my journey for sure
Music to my ears! I’m here to help! Thank you for the kind words!
Wow! Great insights that cuts through a lot of the morass of "info" out there that seems to overly complicate and confuse most beginning and intermediate players. Even some of the online instructors say that they don't teach the same concepts that they previously did which means that some of the stuff they taught was misleading.
You are a natural teacher and I look forward to your future videos.
Oh believe me. My thoughts have evolved over the years. I just use CZcams to speak my mind. Take it or leave it. Thanks for joining along for the ride. I really appreciate you for the kind words!
This is what I’m talkin’ about! I always wanted a smooth form like Simon. I’ve been starting to put all the pieces together but this video helps a lot. Especially with the exercises you demonstrated.
I’m glad! Getting into the gym is the most underrated way to build technique. Obviously it takes time to transfer to throwing the actual disc. But in my experience it actually made it easier. Go get it!
Thanks so much for describing what to do with the hip....couldn't seem to figure it out, and you helped huge! TY!!
More than happy to be able to help! Cheers to some hard work!
I appreciated your take on this thank you
I appreciate your time! Cheers!
Very interesting and well said. I'll be giving this a try for sure.
Thank you!
Phenomenal video. Incredibly well explained. Thank you Tanner.
Wow! Thank you! So glad you enjoyed it!
Very informative! Thanks!
Thank you for your time!
Shoulders and hips should be moving around at the same time it makes things smoother when you throw . Lettem know Tanner!
Gotta spread the word!
This was very helpful. Want to do some fieldwork now :-). I have been a “puller“ for years and have been trying to learn the back leg more. But this makes a lot more sense. It also seems much faster. Can’t wait to work it.
I believe in you! Go get it!
Very helpful instructional, thank you!
Thank YOU for your time! I’m glad it was helpful!
Super clear and well thought!
Thank you very much! My goal is to offer content that I would have wished I would have seen as I was getting into the game! So glad you enjoyed it!
Great video, Tanner!
Thank you much! Happy to help!
I can already tell this is going to help. Thank you
Happy to help!
Great Video Tanner! I can’t wait to try this out!
Thank you guys! I’m glad it was helpful!!
Great video! The way you break things down is very relatable. Thanks for making this.
Thank YOU for watching it!
I wonder if this was what Kristian Kuoksa was talking about in his Noob vs Pro video. It is really good even though I can’t speak or understand the language.
Great explanation, I hope to implement this myself and with new and upcoming players.
Happy to be of help! Thanks for watching
Really enjoyed this video. 👍🏽
Thanks, Daniel! I appreciate you and your steady support!
Tanner, you’re a cool dude. Appreciate these videos man!
I’m blessed to have been surrounded by so many good players! I plan on using this channel as a way to give back!
Thanks man. Great video😊
Thanks, Roger! I appreciate you and your time!
Not bogus keep up the good work!!!
Thank you kind sir!
Good stuff!
Thank you much!
Very inspiring! I'm going to try that resistance band set-up.
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I think you’re spot on
Thank you my dude!
Great stuff! I’m inspired to go try and add this into some net work with my TechDisc in hand!
I’m hoping to get a tech disc soon so I can actually show how these things directly correlate into the disc! Glad it was helpful!
@@TannerMcCartney If I still lived in Austin I’d gladly let you borrow it. It’s a really great tool, though also super frustrating when I swear I am making a change to correct X, and yet it still doesn’t correct X. But this too is great feedback because you know definitively that you need to try something else.
Great video! Do you do a lot of no run up backhand shots too?
I throw a good amount of standstill shots for approach shots.
Thank you!
After all the videos I've consumed and hours of trying to turn my hips with my back leg... and torquing my groin muscle repeatedly, this take seems like a nice, refreshing spin on what many may need to hear, who DG does not come to naturally. BooYa! Thx. (Do you have any 'hit point' vids?)
Right on! Mmmm not at the moment. Might work on one though!
Interesting. At The Open at Austin, I asked Albert Tamm if he is going to increase his throwing effort from 70% to 90%, where does he feel the biggest increase in effort in his form and he said it was in the brace. Jake Hebenheimer was also telling me he really focuses on getting more power from the brace when he's trying to rip it.
When the back leg swings around in front and causes a spinny follow through, it might be a sign of trying to rotate the hips too much, the back hip rotates around and keeps you spinning. Whereas the elite distance throwers, their back leg doesn't loop around with a lot of energy, it stays behind the brace leg as a counterbalance, sometimes they extend it enough to where it touches the ground again. After all that energy goes into the throw instead of looping around into the follow through, the back leg finally comes around more gently.
Watch David Wiggins here literally kick the ground with his back leg after it comes off the ground: czcams.com/video/4fQ2qJX1A9g/video.html
Simon, back leg extends then comes around with control (LOUD): czcams.com/video/RyvQJbK_Rj0/video.html
Eagle: czcams.com/video/5UOpYTcB52Y/video.html
I’m definitely not saying this isn’t true. I have years of throws with more rotation than I needed. So there’s years of work I’m trying to undo. This is how the throw works for sure. I’ve cut a lot of rotation down. Still working on getting more of it out. But I also think it depends on the person. Some players have some rotation.
Drew Gibson comes to my mind.
Don’t get me wrong. Rotation ISNT bad. But the less rotation the more accurate you SHOULD be. I think that’s where the swing can vary for people.
I love the insights here! That’s what’s so cool with disc golf is not everyone has to throw the exact same to achieve a similar result!
Maybe I am misreading, but I think he might be agreeing with you and was just saying that it was interesting. Again, I might be misunderstanding though
@@bbd1254 yeah I’m agreeing. And was pointing out he’s “not alone” as he mentioned because multiple pros have told me the brace is where they control their power.
Haha, classic. Always so hard to tell over the internet! I misunderstood you! I apologize!
I would love 4 step (xstep) breakdown and a drill to practice this :D!!!
I’ll work on getting something together!
Cant wait thanks :D Have the same issue as you(I saw it in your earlier videoes, "make some changes in off season) those issue you fixed, i have it to😅 Dont know have to fix it :)
@NorDGWay which problem specifically are you talking about?
Haven't played in over a year, was so frustrated with it all. This makes sense though. Would love to give it another go if you ever have time.
Don’t give up! Like I said. This is 7+ years in the making! Consistency is key!
@@TannerMcCartney will do. You were great for our one session. Let me know if you're ever up for another!
@@garethcook3606 always! Shoot me a message and we can get something worked out!
thank you for telling how it feels. that peeing dog leg feels so much stronger to brace on and feeling my hips fire faster. gotta wait snow to melt to try it on a field
Sending some warm weather your way!!
Not me lookin for a pear sighting
🤣🤣 next time I’ll get her in there!
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Hahah they aren’t. They are some freebies my buddy gave to me. I bet they are like $5🤣
They are a little obnoxious but they are surprisingly nice to wear lol
what is your thought about getting spin to the disc? do you get more spin when you slow down? when I try to speed up my throw I got a lot of wobble. can we throw to fast?
I think there are multiple variables that go into spin rate. I have a few that I feel like are also overlooked. Plan on doing a video soon covering it!
@@TannerMcCartney yeah nice! Gonna try to slow down in to the powerpocket and accelerate out of the pocket.
@@ETs.. my biggest advice. Slow in, accelerate out. Key word accelerate. It’s not slow in FAST out. It’s slow in Accelerate out. As long as you are increasing the speed coming out you should see a better result. But not too fast!
Correct me if I’m wrong , but it sounds like you’re advocating forcing the brace action, rather than it being a byproduct of dynamic balance & movement ?
Have you tried playing around with different bracing styles, like Vertical Brace or more Horizontal brace ? There can be a hybrid w/ both elements as well.
Definitely not forcing. Just showing movements that can easily put you in a solid brace.
This brace has been most natural for me once I started doing some of these movements in the gym. I think as long as there’s a brace it shouldn’t matter as much if it’s more vertical. I personally feel like it also depends on how hard you are throwing.
To add to this, how hard are you "throwing" with the arm also? There's so much back and forth on YT about "keeping arm loose" but also "driving with elbow." Hard to tell if I should use my arm powerfully or rely on the hips
Like a baseball player sets up the pitch and then throws the hell out of it with the arm, do you feel You're also throwing the hell out of it with your arm while doing this? Or is the brace/hip "throwing" it for you?
The arm is active but it’s not where the power is produced. The power is transferred through the lower body into the arm if that makes sense. At least this is how I think about it. I think because of that, people think the arm is doing a lot because it’s moving fast. But it’s being powered from the hips/legs/coil. The arm shouldn’t be limp though. Ideally you want to pull it into the “power pocket” position before your shoulders really start rotating forward. That being said I’d say most of the time my arm is 10-20% involved but it’s hard to really give an exact percent. I would just say it’s a lot less arm than most people think.
Hope this helps somewhat! Also, this is just MY opinion and how it feels to me. Overthrow has a great video on this. I believe it’s titled “throwing like the pros”
@@TannerMcCartney this helps a ton! I feel like I'm going at least 60-70% arm so this may get my brain more focused on the hips here, ty!
haha this guy just figured out an actual golf swing in disc golf form xD
Haha very close!
@@TannerMcCartney iv been using that ball golf form in that exact way and unlocked an extra 40 -50 feet consistently without running up just a nice x step. And that gets me around 430 controlled. He isn't wrong brothers.
I played golf for like one summer growing up. In my opinion, I feel like the golf swing is a tad more swoopy. I feel like this is a touch more linear. I could be wrong. Just my first initial thoughts. Just because a golf ball needs to be up in the air where as a frisbee is actually meant to “glide”
Does that make sense? Did you notice that at all?
@@TannerMcCartney your totally right its like skipping stones. But if you reverse it and go the other way without the swoop it's close to a disc golf throw. I was just really lacking in the hips and ball golf got me to actually feel what I was doing with my hips
@ff8100 sweet! Yeah. I’d say it’s very similar to a golf swing. Cool that you were able to make that comparison and make it work for you! Proud of you for putting in that work!
Owen Condit at Trebuchet Disc Golf has been talking about the importance of the brace and the front hip, a lot like you're talking about it here. This is great practical advice.
Sweet! Thank you very much!!