If you are looking for a legitimate disc golf coach, look elsewhere. DG Spindoctor does not possess the qualifications or the integrity to earn your support. Not only does he, at times, present information that is incorrect, he actively seeks to censor and remove anyone who questions him or presents facts that disprove his statements. He lacks a clear understanding of the terminology as it relates to disc golf, which is a KEY FUNDAMENTAL when teaching someone. It would also appear that he jumps on here and argues his false points on other accounts, which shows an even further lack of integrity. He is doing everyone who takes his word literal an injustice, and he should not be supported. This comment will likely be deleted, because of course, he lacks integrity and seeks to censor those who show him to be wrong. If you are trying to do yourself a favor by seeking knowledge so that your game can grow, you’d be better served literally anywhere else.
I think you're mistaken. I'm not commenting on other accounts unless I like the content. Also, only clearly hateful and unstable comments get deleted, and all these years, there have been only a handful. If you're writing comments that CZcams deems inappropriate, they don't show even to me unless I look for them. I found some of your comments under the banned tab because you called other commenters names. There is a reason why your comments get banned, and the reason is your hateful demeanour. I also encourage everyone to unsubscribe from me and follow others if that helps them feel better. I believe everyone is entitled to do what suits them best, and it would make me unhappy to know people listen to me without their consent. If you feel CZcams is a zero-sum game, please support others and avoid wasting your time on content you feel bad about.
I personally use about 25 fewer throws per round these days and thats because of these videos. If I were rich, I would give him a million, because of him I no longer rage on the course, but laugh and smile. Maybe this channel just isn't for you. There's OT disc golf, trebuchet disc golf, Leon Sonnleitner, Seabas22, etc. Check those channels, maybe you like those more. Good luck mate.
As an older player I can’t thank you enough for this video. The ravages of time make it difficult to get through a round at times. Doing it the wrong way invariably takes more energy. You helped me do more of my favorite activity. 🤠
Yours and Scott Stokelys videos are hands down the best form/advice videos out there. Every time I watch one of ur posts I always come away feeling like I learned at least one very important piece of knowledge.
I have been playing discgolf for 1 season in total. I usually never throw backhand becaus I have alweys felt like i was throwing into myself or through myself when im about to launch the disc from my "Reachback". After watching your video yesterday i went out to a empty fotball field today and spent about 2 hours just throwing my 5 putters. Today i threw my putters the same distance i have been throwing my FD discs.... I then went to a local field where i usually play about +4 to + 10, i only used my putters this time and got my new personal best at +1 My comments on youtube are years apart from one another. But I worked as a gymnastic teacher and the best part about teaching is when you can see the appritiation in their eyes and know that you have helped someone, You can't see it in my eyes, but atleast i can share it with you on this channel. Thank you so much. Love from Norway.
Thank you so much for your comment. It truly makes my day, and gives meaning to what I do. I'm glad you improved so fast and hopefully get to enjoy the game even more! ❤️
I’ve probably spent 20hrs trying to get this hip motion linked. I’ve done Muay Thai and know how to transfer power from hips to feet forward, but now hips to has hands backwards has felt awkward. This video instantly clicked, engaged abs and whole body. The reach back is more like the finish of a bowling throw than reaching out starting a lawn mower, as I was doing. Thanks!
I want to thank you for this video. I’ve been waiting for my “ah ha!” moment and you delivered it to me on a silver platter. I was reaching out far on my “reach back” to make myself longer and it was causing my timing to be off. I was trying to get over my lead foot too fast before I braced and I couldn’t fix it because I was off balance. I shortened my “reach back” today and I was throwing farther with much less effort. It made it sooo much easier to brace before I threw! Thank you again for this video 💪
Honestly, this tip/video is probably the best bit of advice and explanation I've ever seen (as far as throwing discs is concerned). It makes SO much sense, much more so than any other explanation I've seen so far. Clear (very), concise, straight to the point, at seems at least to be exactly on point............fantastic. Your title says that it really is simple, and it is..........but I've never seen anyone else lay it out so. THANK YOU for posting this. I've never subscribed or followed any channels before....this is the first time ever that has tempted me. I will absolutely be checking out all your other content for sure, at the very least.
I also had the same thought that it would force a hyzer, I'll have to do some field work and see how it goes. I can tell you that I replicated your tilt & twist while I was standing in front of the computer and I felt it all the way through my core (which I hadn't before.) I'm kinda stuck at about 320ish feet and I know I'm missing something...I'm hoping this helps :) BTW, thanks for your instruction videos. I always find them helpful!
Thanks for all the video, DG! The only thing I'd like to see here is a breakdown of how this would be integrated into the X-Step/a tee-off throw. What is the timing of the coil? When should it happen? As soon as your lead foot starts coming off the ground, or more as you're in the middle of coming forward with the lead foot (but not yet planting), or right before the planting of that lead foot? It would also be great to see the sequence show how the coil creates that "reach" (what is the throwing arm doing as you're coil and how is it getting to that reach point as you're coiling). Stuff like that. Just a slow breakdown of the progression and implementation in an actual throwing sequence. Thanks again for the content!
Thanks. I haven't touched this topic because it's very individual and not that important. I have made a video highlighting the fact, that whatever you do, try to reach a certain position right before the actual throw. That's it, really.
Y’all are so lucky to get these kind of quality videos now. When I started they taught everything wrong, and when you start off wrong and continue it for 4-5 years, it’s damn near impossible to change. Great video 👏
Right! I started in 2000, and I had a VHS tape of home videos some of our local heroes had filmed in tournaments in Finland and the U.S., Climo, Barry, Stokely. I learned to watch it in slow motion, pressing pause/play, pause/play. Blurry as hell. Didn't matter, I kinda got the right ideas I think. Then I learned all the wrong things about starting the lawn mower. Nobody talked about bracing or the follow through. Fast Forward 20 years and I started teaching, because nobody else would. At that point I had ruined my game enough to know that I will never get to the top, not even top my prime of 970-980 average. But I'm happy to help others avoid all the mistakes that made my game so bad. Thank you for commenting, and good luck!
One has to love how you keep demolishing the foundational concepts of disc golf! By 'demolishing' I mean showing how the concepts were fundamentally incorrect -- and showing how to re-think the very basics of the game. (By 'incorrect' I mean that the techniques shown were probably right but the concepts themselves were explained using incorrect language [such as reachback, which caused me to lean back], which led people like myself to misinterpret them). I am in the process of unlearning years of learning of misleading and incorrect concepts and learning how to fix my form. I find your videos perhaps the most informative -- and ground-breaking -- that are out there. Have also found a lot of help from the Overthrow videos. There are other occasional useful ones, but yours are certainly the most consistently transformative. Then there are lots of videos I wish I had never seen and followed when beginning my journey -- but then again, you were not around yet at that time.
Good information!! 💚 The best form coaching content by far, everything is so simple and to the point, I just need more time to put it all in practice ;)
All your videos are very good. You explain and shed light on all the right ways to throw discs and also show what most of us are doing wrong that we might think is the way. I've watched tons and tons of disc golf form instructional videos and yours are the ones that actually help me lose bad habits and try to get my form to a better place. Thank you for that.
Thank You! This was both greatly informative and also slightly crushing, corrected an unrealized major error but also highlighted how I've been practicing bad form and have some retraining to do. I appreciate your effort and thank you for the different perspective.
I’ve been doing the coil with my torso but I’ve never thought about leaning forward a bit I feel like that would help reduce hitting my chest during the power pocket phase of the throw great video I’m glad you put these out without charging
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I really appreciate your explanation of this! I have been struggling when learning to throw nose-down to not throw a late release anhyzer shot and this feels like just the thing fix all 3 of these errors! I don't have these errors when throwing a mid-low power standstill shot (not engaging much more than my arm and shoulders) so this really seems like it might be my issue.
I thank you, and think you're right. Late release annies are most often a symptom of standing up during the swing, or not keeping the swing plane level like a hoola-hoop. This might fix that problem.
Pure gold as usual! That body position also makes a lot of space for the disc to whip through the pocket. Big points here are keeping your weight center and creating a coil between hips and shoulders. I think one issue some folks have with learning how to do this is that they tend to reach out too far without getting the disc back in which can lead to shoulder stretch injuries. No matter how far away from the body the disc is on the reach out (back) make sure it comes back enough so your elbow gets back into the 90 degree angle before final release.
Thanks for new and more perspectives of form!!! :-) Would be lovely to hear your coil viewpoints on what angle difference between hips and shoulders make to your control and power ("rubber effect"). Eagle is one that is extreme in it. Tiger Woods in ball golf, for example, was well known for this ability. Can you make a video on this? ;-) Thanks again for good videos!
Great video as always! The way I built a mental cue to feel this movement is to sit in a chair with both of my hands angled in about upper chest height. My hands are about 4 inches apart from each other and they are about a disc's width away from my chest. My elbows are also slightly pointed out, it looks almost like a boxing guard position, but not quite as high. I then keep my hands and elbows locked in that same position, but I coil my body to try and almost touch my left knee with my right elbow. This created the aha moment for me on how to feel the coil you are describing and when I am practicing I actually visualize sitting in the chair and coiling my right elbow down to my left knee. As soon as I get that coil I extend my throwing arm away from my body so that I can feel that coiled, pre-throw position. I know everyone has different cues and ways to feel things, but this worked incredibly well for me and it's so easy to feel the coil when you do this in a chair. Also, one thing I just noticed in this video is that if you slow down Eagle's throw it almost looks like his first kinetic movement is his left foot leaves the ground and shoots forward towards the front leg.Maybe I am unable to see some subtle hip or knee movements because of the angle, but I thought that was interesting. Especially in the context of your last video on toe tap.
Went and tried this and had really positive results..it felt completely natural once I tried a couple times..shots were consistently going further and more importantly accurately where I aimed..able to achieve the “s” curve I’ve been not able to achieve as well..thank you for this!
It's crazy, but it wasn't until like 3/4 of the way through this video that I realized it wasn't about golf lol. Everything you just said applies to both sports and for the exact same reason, so for those trying to create power in a golf swing this is an excellent video as well about how to coil properly. Great stuff!
This is critical for me to hear right now, thank you. I have been playing poorly for over forty years. I love the game, but I have a brain I jury that makes uncoiling my body almost impossible, as the act of rotating my body causes vertigo, and the whole world begins spinning wildly. I'm currently forearm dominant. However, I would like to add a back hand to my repertoire. I think this less spinny style might work. Critically, I need to keep my head facing the same direction. I'm in my sixties, so flexibility is an issue. This might sound like a lot of whining, but I'm just working towards my personal best. Thank you for helping!
Hey man, go ahead and whine if you feel like it. We need to do that every once in a while, we are not machines or monks here. I hope this version of a coil helps you get some torque to your throws.
I've been practicing the backhand in slo-mo today. I think I can do this. It feels right. I look where I'm going to throw while reaching back to just past my waist. Then I uncoil keeping the disc close to my body until my core rotation extends my arm forward to the final snap. If you looked at that uncoiling from above, as you move forward, it looks like a spiral in reverse, finishing in the tight coil snap. At least, that's the visualization that works for me. I can't really do a run-up, but I can at least take a step. My dream throw would be 300'. Again, thanks for the inspiration!
I could, but I try to avoid all the minutiae and focus on the big picture to let individual bodies work without forced positions. Thanks for the suggestion, though!
❤ kinda mad at how long I've been playing and I'm finally actually learning to throw. hopefully between you and OT no one else will spend 7 years playing before they actually understand how to move a disc.
ive solved my understanding issue now my shot is perfect 550ft hyzer flip in tailwinds on basically not even a xstep but not standstill just 1 step i guess.. Eagles talks about pushing out the disc straight from the chest and i did this sideways to target which creates a bad L shaped pull through but if you combine the push out with more back to your target and a coil the push out creates a straight pull through line that still gets the whip effect!
i think Anthony Barela does this well.. walks with more butt to target then most and still coils and yet his pull through line is clearly straight vs someone like Cupcake
I just recently understood what coil really meant, after 18 months of excessively reaching back. For me a good cue was to rotate the left shoulder towards the target.
This could just be the thing that unlocks my throwing potential. I have always done the "lean on to the back leg" thing before instead of coiling and gotten 200ft at most.
I'm about to watch this after work. The thigh master thing seems like it's going to help! I was having a point where I was reached back/coiled with both feet on the ground and squeezing toward each other. Does that sound right?
The cues "reach back", "pull through", and "start the lawnmower" have caused more harm than good for many (if not most) players starting to learn how to throw.
Sadly so. I work with language as a writer. For me the tiny nuances make big differences, and I totally believe our brain makes such connections with words and concepts. They do matter.
@@dgspindoctor Yessir! A lot of people learn to throw without any assistance from others. They watch a few videos and do their best. I'm just glad the disc golf coaching scene has gotten so much better on this platform. You and the others are helping turn this ship around!
Good info. I've been forgetting that down/forward first move in the coil. That's where I get messed up. Good stuff. Sorry, I can't do emojis. I'm of a certain age and we think those things are a little tootie fruity ah Rudy. No offense.
What are your thoughts on getting maximum spin? I know more spin equates to more distance. However, I dont see any tell tell signs of top players doing the same things to achieve it. Am I supposed to curl my wrist around the disc more? If so, exactly where...pre pocket, the pocket, etc.? A video of your thoughts would be great. I'm 60 and have been playing for about a year, and with the use of your videos, I'm hitting 300 feet consistently, but I believe I can hit 350-400. Keep em coming. Thanks!
I don't believe you actually can pop the wrist to create spin. You can put the disc deeper into your palm and then grip it harder with the index so that it spins around the tip of the finger at the release. Also the deep pocket might add some spin, too. Just don't open the wrist too early or tense it, and it will work just fine.
Like the lesson. Telling ppl what to do never works, but letting ppl visualize it does. One note though, that Eagle shot didn't really look like an anhizer but more of a hyzer flip. He might have thrown the disc somewhat flat but certainly not with right on it.
@dgspindoctor I'm sorry, but for it to an "anhyzer" it has to be thrown on an anhyzer angle. That's what makes it an anhyzer. If it's thrown with hyzer and flips over it's called a hyzer flip. Here's Innovas definition: Anhyzer. An angle of release where the outside edge or left edge of the disc is tilted upward for a RHBH thrower. It mentions only the angle of release bc that's the only thing that matters for it to be an anhyzer.
Then I guess Gannon and Drew are not throwing anhyzers in their videos for Seekr and Overthrow. Even the best pros don't know how to throw. You should probably go teach them?
For RHBH, if you lean back (to the left) does that cause you to relase the disc high up into the air? Also how you do coil and not throw on a hyzer? Ive tried something like this and couldnt get the disc flat.
Thanks for watching! First question: Not necessarily; it just means you get slow and sway your upper body instead of letting it rotate. Second question: no, not at all, as I said in the video. You need to find a way to throw it flat or annie. That happens, usually by tweaking the arm path and following through.
Do you coil against the front leg or back leg? When I do it, my front leg hasn't landed yet, so I have nothing to coil against, unless I use the back leg, and that causes timing issues. 😂
thanks for the video. I will give it a try on my next practice. The thing I disagree is the video of Eagle McMahon. He is throwing a hyzerflip, not an anhyzer.
They are Groundies, which, I think are cheaper but I like them as much. These have no friction on the bottom, so they are street shoes, but I've used only Vivos for a few years and will not go back. I was sponsored by them, but not anymore, so I have incentive to endorse them, other than... I like 'em.
4:11 and pause "looking at right picture" if you held your body still and pulled through with arm the release point would be like 2oclock vs 10oclock.. what i did was put my right foot more to the right so almost like im throwing slightly left of my target but in reality its not bcuz now my pull through line is actually straight bcuz ive shown more back to 10oclock vs you more like a out in and out motion! this tweak has my lines incredibly accurate at nearly any distance with any wind condition! lmk what you think about that realization hoping its not just a me thing but something that is legit for everyone..?
I'm not sure if I read you correctly, but yes, straight line for feet is my ideal. I can't do it, because I have the mobility of a crowbar, but I would if I could.
Heitin uuden pituusennätyksen(kaksi kertaa) tästä ja aikaisemmasta(best way to brace) videosta poimituilla vinkeillä. Sain aikaan todellisen ahaa elämyksen kentällä. Ps. Liekkö ois saanut parannettua vieläkin useammin, nuo oli vaan kaksi viimeistä heittoa, kun sattui pari nopeampaa kiekkkoa olemaan mukana puttereiden ja midareiden lisäksi.
Please freeze frame at 4:30 and move frame by frame (hit the . key to move forward 1 frame at a time). Eagle throws that on a massive hyzer and it instantly flips up because he's throwing 80mph or more. He 100% did not throw that on anhyzer....
I hear a lot of people get stuck on that. Funny, though. That's one of the biggest obstacles people face when learning. For example, you want to get the disc to fly from left to right (right-hander) and glide 700 feet in an Annie, but you won't want to learn that because it's not a legit Anhyzer release. Am I right? Thanks for the comment!
@@dgspindoctor Those are 2 different things though. A hyzer flip to turnover is a useful shot in disc golf. Max distance for sure, and I utilize it when I can. But I would never say that Eagle THROWS an anhyzer in this shot. Throwing actual anhyzer from second of release caused by swing plane is a different skill. Playing in the woods, you often need instant anyzer, either because the line requires it, or because you dont have the distance to the pin to have time to do a full flipover shot. I bring this up because you're saying Eagle's swing plane creates an anhyzer release when it doesn't. Does the disc eventually get to anhyzer? Yes, but anhyzer release and disc making it to anhyzer are not equal. Maybe this is just semantics and I'm misunderstanding what you said.
@@SwordOfAndarielyou are confusing the appearance of the disc for a brief moment in the air with the actual shot Eagle is trying to throw. A hyzer flip has one definition, you throw a flippy ass disc on pure hyzer, reaching back low, following through high, and rely on the under stability of the disc and your speed to do all the work to turn the disc over to anhyzer, not relying at all on the arc of your disc or follow through to achieve the desired flight path. It generally is not a maximum distance line, because the sort of flippy discs like shrykes, captains, thrashers, wraiths, or other “flippier molds” people rely on to achieve these flight paths aren’t capable of withstanding the sort of speed MPO players are putting on the disc and the results are generally unreliable with high speed discs especially. Eagle reaches back fairly flat, releases the disc fairly flat, and follows through below the level of his release, this is the stock maximum distance line you see out of a lot of MPO pros at distance competitions. The only reason the shot appears for a moment to be a “hyzer” is because Eagle’s most natural “power position” is slightly hinged over at the waist, so a lot of his shots appear to come out of his hand on hyzer when he isn’t throwing rollers. The reality, Eagle was forcing over a nearly brand new c-line dd3 100 feet in the air, a disc that isn’t known for turning very much if at all, if he’d followed through low to high and actually “thrown with pure hyzer intent” he would have wound up OB left regardless of whether the disc was going 80 mph. The arc of his shot, the follow through lower than his release, the reality that he was trying to throw the disc to sail 700 feet in anhyzer, makes it a flat to anhyzer shot, and nothing even close to a hyzer flip. It really is all just semantics, but those can be important if you want to learn to shape a bunch of different shots. Just look at what Eagle is doing leading up to his throw, he’s imagining how to force it over, he does it twice right before he runs up. Listen to Brian Earhearts commentary, “looks like he’s lining up a turn over.”
If you are looking for a legitimate disc golf coach, look elsewhere. DG Spindoctor does not possess the qualifications or the integrity to earn your support. Not only does he, at times, present information that is incorrect, he actively seeks to censor and remove anyone who questions him or presents facts that disprove his statements. He lacks a clear understanding of the terminology as it relates to disc golf, which is a KEY FUNDAMENTAL when teaching someone. It would also appear that he jumps on here and argues his false points on other accounts, which shows an even further lack of integrity. He is doing everyone who takes his word literal an injustice, and he should not be supported.
This comment will likely be deleted, because of course, he lacks integrity and seeks to censor those who show him to be wrong. If you are trying to do yourself a favor by seeking knowledge so that your game can grow, you’d be better served literally anywhere else.
I think you're mistaken.
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Lol triggered much? Don’t let the door hit you….
I personally use about 25 fewer throws per round these days and thats because of these videos. If I were rich, I would give him a million, because of him I no longer rage on the course, but laugh and smile. Maybe this channel just isn't for you. There's OT disc golf, trebuchet disc golf, Leon Sonnleitner, Seabas22, etc. Check those channels, maybe you like those more. Good luck mate.
I didn't know you could delete comments. I've always wondered why there are almost no negetive comments on disc golf training videos.
This is the best explanation and demonstration of the coil and reach back I have seen. Bravo!
As an older player I can’t thank you enough for this video.
The ravages of time make it difficult to get through a round at times.
Doing it the wrong way invariably takes more energy.
You helped me do more of my favorite activity. 🤠
Thank you! This is the reason I make the videos. Help people enjoy their free time a little more. Keep it up!
Yours and Scott Stokelys videos are hands down the best form/advice videos out there. Every time I watch one of ur posts I always come away feeling like I learned at least one very important piece of knowledge.
Glad you like them! I think Scott is one of the best, too, if not THE best. He seems to make everything easy to understand.
I have been playing discgolf for 1 season in total. I usually never throw backhand becaus I have alweys felt like i was throwing into myself or through myself when im about to launch the disc from my "Reachback". After watching your video yesterday i went out to a empty fotball field today and spent about 2 hours just throwing my 5 putters. Today i threw my putters the same distance i have been throwing my FD discs.... I then went to a local field where i usually play about +4 to + 10, i only used my putters this time and got my new personal best at +1
My comments on youtube are years apart from one another. But I worked as a gymnastic teacher and the best part about teaching is when you can see the appritiation in their eyes and know that you have helped someone, You can't see it in my eyes, but atleast i can share it with you on this channel. Thank you so much. Love from Norway.
Thank you so much for your comment. It truly makes my day, and gives meaning to what I do. I'm glad you improved so fast and hopefully get to enjoy the game even more! ❤️
I’ve probably spent 20hrs trying to get this hip motion linked. I’ve done Muay Thai and know how to transfer power from hips to feet forward, but now hips to has hands backwards has felt awkward. This video instantly clicked, engaged abs and whole body. The reach back is more like the finish of a bowling throw than reaching out starting a lawn mower, as I was doing. Thanks!
I want to thank you for this video. I’ve been waiting for my “ah ha!” moment and you delivered it to me on a silver platter. I was reaching out far on my “reach back” to make myself longer and it was causing my timing to be off. I was trying to get over my lead foot too fast before I braced and I couldn’t fix it because I was off balance. I shortened my “reach back” today and I was throwing farther with much less effort. It made it sooo much easier to brace before I threw! Thank you again for this video 💪
Wow! That is quite something! Glad you got it solved!
Honestly, this tip/video is probably the best bit of advice and explanation I've ever seen (as far as throwing discs is concerned). It makes SO much sense, much more so than any other explanation I've seen so far. Clear (very), concise, straight to the point, at seems at least to be exactly on point............fantastic. Your title says that it really is simple, and it is..........but I've never seen anyone else lay it out so. THANK YOU for posting this. I've never subscribed or followed any channels before....this is the first time ever that has tempted me. I will absolutely be checking out all your other content for sure, at the very least.
Oh thank you for your words! Very kind of you. And I'm honored to be among your very few subscribed channels.
I also had the same thought that it would force a hyzer, I'll have to do some field work and see how it goes. I can tell you that I replicated your tilt & twist while I was standing in front of the computer and I felt it all the way through my core (which I hadn't before.) I'm kinda stuck at about 320ish feet and I know I'm missing something...I'm hoping this helps :)
BTW, thanks for your instruction videos. I always find them helpful!
That is the way to coil even if you throw annies. The body angle is not everything. See the thumbnail, for instance :)
I hope this works for you!
Love your vids. Short, sweet and thought provoking! Good stuff.
Your teaching on tilting a little bit to the front and then coiling was a light bulb to me! It feels very right! Now to the field😊
Excellent! Go for it!
Luv!!!!
Thanks for all the video, DG! The only thing I'd like to see here is a breakdown of how this would be integrated into the X-Step/a tee-off throw. What is the timing of the coil? When should it happen? As soon as your lead foot starts coming off the ground, or more as you're in the middle of coming forward with the lead foot (but not yet planting), or right before the planting of that lead foot? It would also be great to see the sequence show how the coil creates that "reach" (what is the throwing arm doing as you're coil and how is it getting to that reach point as you're coiling). Stuff like that.
Just a slow breakdown of the progression and implementation in an actual throwing sequence.
Thanks again for the content!
Thanks. I haven't touched this topic because it's very individual and not that important. I have made a video highlighting the fact, that whatever you do, try to reach a certain position right before the actual throw. That's it, really.
Your ideas are always so helpful to my game! Cant wait to try this out in my practice!
Have fun! I hope it goes well!
Good stuff thanks!
❤. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
Y’all are so lucky to get these kind of quality videos now. When I started they taught everything wrong, and when you start off wrong and continue it for 4-5 years, it’s damn near impossible to change.
Great video 👏
Right! I started in 2000, and I had a VHS tape of home videos some of our local heroes had filmed in tournaments in Finland and the U.S., Climo, Barry, Stokely. I learned to watch it in slow motion, pressing pause/play, pause/play. Blurry as hell. Didn't matter, I kinda got the right ideas I think.
Then I learned all the wrong things about starting the lawn mower. Nobody talked about bracing or the follow through.
Fast Forward 20 years and I started teaching, because nobody else would. At that point I had ruined my game enough to know that I will never get to the top, not even top my prime of 970-980 average. But I'm happy to help others avoid all the mistakes that made my game so bad.
Thank you for commenting, and good luck!
💚Thank you sir
Excellent ! Thank you !
Thank you too!
This is one i will watch many times...well, I watch most of your videos many times. Thanks so much!
Glad you enjoy it!
Excellent! thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
One has to love how you keep demolishing the foundational concepts of disc golf! By 'demolishing' I mean showing how the concepts were fundamentally incorrect -- and showing how to re-think the very basics of the game. (By 'incorrect' I mean that the techniques shown were probably right but the concepts themselves were explained using incorrect language [such as reachback, which caused me to lean back], which led people like myself to misinterpret them). I am in the process of unlearning years of learning of misleading and incorrect concepts and learning how to fix my form. I find your videos perhaps the most informative -- and ground-breaking -- that are out there. Have also found a lot of help from the Overthrow videos. There are other occasional useful ones, but yours are certainly the most consistently transformative. Then there are lots of videos I wish I had never seen and followed when beginning my journey -- but then again, you were not around yet at that time.
Thank you! I also like Overthrow, they make good videos!
Thanks for the good tips!!!❤❤
Any time!
As always! Thank you sir.
Very welcome!
Great video Doc! Greatly executed explanation of a proper coil !!
Glad you liked it!
♥ So good.
❤ Thanks for your videos, they have added 100-150’ to my drives over the past year.
That is awesome! Big progress right there.
❤️ great video, and I heard my question in your video! Going to try the down and coil method tomorrow.
Hope you like it! If you get too hyzer, lift the arm, tilt the disc. Eagle throws basically all his shots from this kind of posture.
Thank you ❤😊
You're welcome 😊
Best teaching vids by far !! ❤
Wow, thank you!
Good information!! 💚
The best form coaching content by far, everything is so simple and to the point, I just need more time to put it all in practice ;)
Thanks!
Just yesterday I was trying to explain this very "coil" position to my friends. And today you post your video. Excellent!! ❤
Hardly a coincidence 🤔😉.
All your videos are very good. You explain and shed light on all the right ways to throw discs and also show what most of us are doing wrong that we might think is the way. I've watched tons and tons of disc golf form instructional videos and yours are the ones that actually help me lose bad habits and try to get my form to a better place. Thank you for that.
So nice of you, glad to hear that!
Thank you!! Just the tip I needed to be more consistent. Would love see a video with Jacky Chen and show case the local disc golf scene
♥ You always explain everything out.
Well, I try to at least.
Great video! Thanks for the very helpful information and perspective!
Glad it was helpful!
Five minutes and forty seconds of pure and precise information. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Spin Dr hits another one out of the park, well done!!!
WELL DONE VIDEO
Great vid as always ❤
Glad you enjoyed!
🫶 Good content. I’ll work on it. That shot by Eagle was poetry in motion 🦅
He is so good!
Thank you for this..trying it tomorrow and will report back here results 🤙🏽
Thank you and please!
Thank You! This was both greatly informative and also slightly crushing, corrected an unrealized major error but also highlighted how I've been practicing bad form and have some retraining to do. I appreciate your effort and thank you for the different perspective.
Thank you for watching and commenting! Good luck for your practice!
I’ve been doing the coil with my torso but I’ve never thought about leaning forward a bit I feel like that would help reduce hitting my chest during the power pocket phase of the throw great video I’m glad you put these out without charging
I am happy to share my belief that knowledge is free and abundant and that it is not something to be owned but rather a gift to be shared. Every person is a vessel through which it can travel to pass it on to others.
Can't wait to try and incorporate these tips in the field. Thanks!
Have fun!
I really appreciate your explanation of this! I have been struggling when learning to throw nose-down to not throw a late release anhyzer shot and this feels like just the thing fix all 3 of these errors! I don't have these errors when throwing a mid-low power standstill shot (not engaging much more than my arm and shoulders) so this really seems like it might be my issue.
I thank you, and think you're right. Late release annies are most often a symptom of standing up during the swing, or not keeping the swing plane level like a hoola-hoop. This might fix that problem.
Pure gold as usual! That body position also makes a lot of space for the disc to whip through the pocket. Big points here are keeping your weight center and creating a coil between hips and shoulders. I think one issue some folks have with learning how to do this is that they tend to reach out too far without getting the disc back in which can lead to shoulder stretch injuries. No matter how far away from the body the disc is on the reach out (back) make sure it comes back enough so your elbow gets back into the 90 degree angle before final release.
Words of wisdom.
great video man and cool for you to keep it free for the ppl out there!
Always!
That was good advice,again,thank’s doc.❤
Any time!
Always good concise explanations.
Glad you like them!
♥ Now the 'reach back' finally makes sense. I'm renaming it the 'front coil' so I don't forget.
Oh, I may want to steal that.
Thank you sir
You're most welcome!
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for new and more perspectives of form!!! :-) Would be lovely to hear your coil viewpoints on what angle difference between hips and shoulders make to your control and power ("rubber effect"). Eagle is one that is extreme in it. Tiger Woods in ball golf, for example, was well known for this ability. Can you make a video on this? ;-) Thanks again for good videos!
As a beginner who makes all of the mistakes you’ve addressed, I thank you for this video!
Glad it was helpful! I know so much because I, too, have made all the mistakes.
Great video as always! The way I built a mental cue to feel this movement is to sit in a chair with both of my hands angled in about upper chest height. My hands are about 4 inches apart from each other and they are about a disc's width away from my chest. My elbows are also slightly pointed out, it looks almost like a boxing guard position, but not quite as high. I then keep my hands and elbows locked in that same position, but I coil my body to try and almost touch my left knee with my right elbow. This created the aha moment for me on how to feel the coil you are describing and when I am practicing I actually visualize sitting in the chair and coiling my right elbow down to my left knee. As soon as I get that coil I extend my throwing arm away from my body so that I can feel that coiled, pre-throw position. I know everyone has different cues and ways to feel things, but this worked incredibly well for me and it's so easy to feel the coil when you do this in a chair. Also, one thing I just noticed in this video is that if you slow down Eagle's throw it almost looks like his first kinetic movement is his left foot leaves the ground and shoots forward towards the front leg.Maybe I am unable to see some subtle hip or knee movements because of the angle, but I thought that was interesting. Especially in the context of your last video on toe tap.
Great visualisation! Wow!
Gonna watch this a couple times and head on out to the field
Really good video that makes coiling easy and that Eagle shot is one of my favourite shots of all time but I think it might be a hyzer flip
Thanks. Check the release closely. Not that much of a hyzer, and still, does it matter? The disc flew to the right with a glide.
Went and tried this and had really positive results..it felt completely natural once I tried a couple times..shots were consistently going further and more importantly accurately where I aimed..able to achieve the “s” curve I’ve been not able to achieve as well..thank you for this!
Fantastic!
Fantastic information
Glad it was helpful! Where is my heart emoji?
It's crazy, but it wasn't until like 3/4 of the way through this video that I realized it wasn't about golf lol. Everything you just said applies to both sports and for the exact same reason, so for those trying to create power in a golf swing this is an excellent video as well about how to coil properly. Great stuff!
Crazy how similar they are! But I guess having GOLF in the name is not a coincidence, huh? 🫡
I'll have to try to do this and see how it feels. I only throw standstills though.
Kiitos näistä videoista!
No eipä mitää! Kiva kun katsot!
thank you
You're welcome.
🫀 good things!
Good stuff
Appreciate it, thanks!
This is critical for me to hear right now, thank you. I have been playing poorly for over forty years. I love the game, but I have a brain I jury that makes uncoiling my body almost impossible, as the act of rotating my body causes vertigo, and the whole world begins spinning wildly.
I'm currently forearm dominant. However, I would like to add a back hand to my repertoire. I think this less spinny style might work. Critically, I need to keep my head facing the same direction. I'm in my sixties, so flexibility is an issue.
This might sound like a lot of whining, but I'm just working towards my personal best. Thank you for helping!
Hey man, go ahead and whine if you feel like it. We need to do that every once in a while, we are not machines or monks here.
I hope this version of a coil helps you get some torque to your throws.
I've been practicing the backhand in slo-mo today. I think I can do this. It feels right. I look where I'm going to throw while reaching back to just past my waist. Then I uncoil keeping the disc close to my body until my core rotation extends my arm forward to the final snap.
If you looked at that uncoiling from above, as you move forward, it looks like a spiral in reverse, finishing in the tight coil snap.
At least, that's the visualization that works for me. I can't really do a run-up, but I can at least take a step. My dream throw would be 300'.
Again, thanks for the inspiration!
@@SoloBattles You got this, I'm sure!
Could you do a video on elbow position, ulnar deviation, wrist supination? Basically, the biomechanics of the throwing arm. Thanks Doc!
I could, but I try to avoid all the minutiae and focus on the big picture to let individual bodies work without forced positions. Thanks for the suggestion, though!
Kiitos, tää auttoi paljon.
Hyvä, kiva kuulla!
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❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍💯🥏 Good tips as always, just the thing i had some struggle with checking my own throws from video from last session. 👌
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You're making the competition better which I don't like. . Jk excellent as always.
❤ kinda mad at how long I've been playing and I'm finally actually learning to throw. hopefully between you and OT no one else will spend 7 years playing before they actually understand how to move a disc.
Hey, I've spent nearly 25 years and I am slowly beginning to have a hunch.
@@dgspindoctor touche! Fair enough brother. Thanks for what you do.
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ive solved my understanding issue now my shot is perfect 550ft hyzer flip in tailwinds on basically not even a xstep but not standstill just 1 step i guess.. Eagles talks about pushing out the disc straight from the chest and i did this sideways to target which creates a bad L shaped pull through but if you combine the push out with more back to your target and a coil the push out creates a straight pull through line that still gets the whip effect!
i think Anthony Barela does this well.. walks with more butt to target then most and still coils and yet his pull through line is clearly straight vs someone like Cupcake
Yes, this sounds true to me.
I just recently understood what coil really meant, after 18 months of excessively reaching back. For me a good cue was to rotate the left shoulder towards the target.
Whatever works for you, that is the key. Glad you figured it out!
cool, breake down. ill explore it on my next training.
side question: are you sowhere in south-east asia?
Thanks! On this video I was in Taiwan. Then I went to Thailand for a while, but now I'm in Greece.
This could just be the thing that unlocks my throwing potential. I have always done the "lean on to the back leg" thing before instead of coiling and gotten 200ft at most.
You got this!
@@dgspindoctor Thx for the response/cheer! Little extra motivation for training. :D
I'm about to watch this after work.
The thigh master thing seems like it's going to help!
I was having a point where I was reached back/coiled with both feet on the ground and squeezing toward each other.
Does that sound right?
That could work yes. I meant especially the throw part, as you plant, but that might be a good idea too!
The cues "reach back", "pull through", and "start the lawnmower" have caused more harm than good for many (if not most) players starting to learn how to throw.
Sadly so. I work with language as a writer. For me the tiny nuances make big differences, and I totally believe our brain makes such connections with words and concepts. They do matter.
@@dgspindoctor Yessir! A lot of people learn to throw without any assistance from others. They watch a few videos and do their best. I'm just glad the disc golf coaching scene has gotten so much better on this platform. You and the others are helping turn this ship around!
We do our best to make a small difference in our beloved sport. Thanks for being a part of it!
Good info. I've been forgetting that down/forward first move in the coil. That's where I get messed up. Good stuff. Sorry, I can't do emojis. I'm of a certain age and we think those things are a little tootie fruity ah Rudy. No offense.
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What are your thoughts on getting maximum spin? I know more spin equates to more distance. However, I dont see any tell tell signs of top players doing the same things to achieve it. Am I supposed to curl my wrist around the disc more? If so, exactly where...pre pocket, the pocket, etc.? A video of your thoughts would be great. I'm 60 and have been playing for about a year, and with the use of your videos, I'm hitting 300 feet consistently, but I believe I can hit 350-400. Keep em coming. Thanks!
I don't believe you actually can pop the wrist to create spin. You can put the disc deeper into your palm and then grip it harder with the index so that it spins around the tip of the finger at the release. Also the deep pocket might add some spin, too. Just don't open the wrist too early or tense it, and it will work just fine.
@@dgspindoctor Thanks!
Like the lesson. Telling ppl what to do never works, but letting ppl visualize it does.
One note though, that Eagle shot didn't really look like an anhizer but more of a hyzer flip. He might have thrown the disc somewhat flat but certainly not with right on it.
Pros almost never throw their "anhyzers" in an "anhyzer" angle. But yeah, thanks!
@dgspindoctor I'm sorry, but for it to an "anhyzer" it has to be thrown on an anhyzer angle. That's what makes it an anhyzer. If it's thrown with hyzer and flips over it's called a hyzer flip.
Here's Innovas definition: Anhyzer. An angle of release where the outside edge or left edge of the disc is tilted upward for a RHBH thrower.
It mentions only the angle of release bc that's the only thing that matters for it to be an anhyzer.
Then I guess Gannon and Drew are not throwing anhyzers in their videos for Seekr and Overthrow. Even the best pros don't know how to throw. You should probably go teach them?
For RHBH, if you lean back (to the left) does that cause you to relase the disc high up into the air?
Also how you do coil and not throw on a hyzer? Ive tried something like this and couldnt get the disc flat.
Thanks for watching!
First question: Not necessarily; it just means you get slow and sway your upper body instead of letting it rotate.
Second question: no, not at all, as I said in the video. You need to find a way to throw it flat or annie. That happens, usually by tweaking the arm path and following through.
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Do you coil against the front leg or back leg? When I do it, my front leg hasn't landed yet, so I have nothing to coil against, unless I use the back leg, and that causes timing issues. 😂
The back leg is the one on the ground, but I try not to lean on it. The coil is done over the front side.
thanks for the video. I will give it a try on my next practice.
The thing I disagree is the video of Eagle McMahon. He is throwing a hyzerflip, not an anhyzer.
Yea, people get stuck on the immediate release angle. That is why people don't learn, but I'm fine with that.
Are those vivos? If so, how do you like them for DG?
They are Groundies, which, I think are cheaper but I like them as much. These have no friction on the bottom, so they are street shoes, but I've used only Vivos for a few years and will not go back. I was sponsored by them, but not anymore, so I have incentive to endorse them, other than... I like 'em.
@@dgspindoctor I just started wearing Vivo.. I love their knit FG shoes. Great for disc golf
@@BloodofEli I feel weird not wearing barefoot while throwing.
@@dgspindoctor same
okay Eagle has the manliest huck face in the game. didn't expect that.
4:11 and pause "looking at right picture" if you held your body still and pulled through with arm the release point would be like 2oclock vs 10oclock.. what i did was put my right foot more to the right so almost like im throwing slightly left of my target but in reality its not bcuz now my pull through line is actually straight bcuz ive shown more back to 10oclock vs you more like a out in and out motion! this tweak has my lines incredibly accurate at nearly any distance with any wind condition! lmk what you think about that realization hoping its not just a me thing but something that is legit for everyone..?
I'm not sure if I read you correctly, but yes, straight line for feet is my ideal. I can't do it, because I have the mobility of a crowbar, but I would if I could.
Heitin uuden pituusennätyksen(kaksi kertaa) tästä ja aikaisemmasta(best way to brace) videosta poimituilla vinkeillä. Sain aikaan todellisen ahaa elämyksen kentällä. Ps. Liekkö ois saanut parannettua vieläkin useammin, nuo oli vaan kaksi viimeistä heittoa, kun sattui pari nopeampaa kiekkkoa olemaan mukana puttereiden ja midareiden lisäksi.
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Please freeze frame at 4:30 and move frame by frame (hit the . key to move forward 1 frame at a time). Eagle throws that on a massive hyzer and it instantly flips up because he's throwing 80mph or more. He 100% did not throw that on anhyzer....
I hear a lot of people get stuck on that. Funny, though. That's one of the biggest obstacles people face when learning. For example, you want to get the disc to fly from left to right (right-hander) and glide 700 feet in an Annie, but you won't want to learn that because it's not a legit Anhyzer release. Am I right?
Thanks for the comment!
@@dgspindoctor Those are 2 different things though. A hyzer flip to turnover is a useful shot in disc golf. Max distance for sure, and I utilize it when I can. But I would never say that Eagle THROWS an anhyzer in this shot. Throwing actual anhyzer from second of release caused by swing plane is a different skill. Playing in the woods, you often need instant anyzer, either because the line requires it, or because you dont have the distance to the pin to have time to do a full flipover shot. I bring this up because you're saying Eagle's swing plane creates an anhyzer release when it doesn't. Does the disc eventually get to anhyzer? Yes, but anhyzer release and disc making it to anhyzer are not equal. Maybe this is just semantics and I'm misunderstanding what you said.
@@SwordOfAndarielyou are confusing the appearance of the disc for a brief moment in the air with the actual shot Eagle is trying to throw.
A hyzer flip has one definition, you throw a flippy ass disc on pure hyzer, reaching back low, following through high, and rely on the under stability of the disc and your speed to do all the work to turn the disc over to anhyzer, not relying at all on the arc of your disc or follow through to achieve the desired flight path. It generally is not a maximum distance line, because the sort of flippy discs like shrykes, captains, thrashers, wraiths, or other “flippier molds” people rely on to achieve these flight paths aren’t capable of withstanding the sort of speed MPO players are putting on the disc and the results are generally unreliable with high speed discs especially.
Eagle reaches back fairly flat, releases the disc fairly flat, and follows through below the level of his release, this is the stock maximum distance line you see out of a lot of MPO pros at distance competitions.
The only reason the shot appears for a moment to be a “hyzer” is because Eagle’s most natural “power position” is slightly hinged over at the waist, so a lot of his shots appear to come out of his hand on hyzer when he isn’t throwing rollers.
The reality, Eagle was forcing over a nearly brand new c-line dd3 100 feet in the air, a disc that isn’t known for turning very much if at all, if he’d followed through low to high and actually “thrown with pure hyzer intent” he would have wound up OB left regardless of whether the disc was going 80 mph. The arc of his shot, the follow through lower than his release, the reality that he was trying to throw the disc to sail 700 feet in anhyzer, makes it a flat to anhyzer shot, and nothing even close to a hyzer flip.
It really is all just semantics, but those can be important if you want to learn to shape a bunch of different shots.
Just look at what Eagle is doing leading up to his throw, he’s imagining how to force it over, he does it twice right before he runs up. Listen to Brian Earhearts commentary, “looks like he’s lining up a turn over.”
@@SwordOfAndariel I agree, and especially with the last sentence. If you watch my video, I talk about shot shaping, not release the angle.
This is worded exactly the way I would, only if I could. Thank you. This is the way.