Farewell R30 Fantrip 1993 run by NYD-ERA
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- HAPPY HOLIDAYS 2017 Railfans! The full fantrip video is now public after 6 months and 317 views as unlisted. The channel tenth anniversary party continues with the long awaited upload of the full and unedited 34 minute Video 8 tape. This was preserved on VHS, so the quality is slightly degraded. This was nearly the last of many dozens of subway fantrips operated by ERA.ORG since at least the early 1950s. The organization officially started in the 1930s.
The R-27/30 was introduced in 1961 to begin retirement of the BMT standards (AB class), introduced around World War 1 for the 4th Avenue and Broadway subway openings, as well as upgraded lines of the southern division of the BRT. These were the last 10 foot wide cars ordered by NYCTA before the stainless steel body R-32 and successor classes were ordered. The original paint scheme was olive drab, though many (not all) cars were later painted red until 1970 when silver and blue became the standard and all were silver and blue after about 1975. The redbird red was not the hue that was seen on any NYCTA cars in the 1960s, which were brighter shades minus the black and silver trim. These cars were never air-conditioned and their retirement around 1993 heralded a B Division fleet with 100 percent air conditioned cars. They were held in service for about 31 years, long enough to permit the rebuilding of all stainless steel B division stock through R-46. Although they ended up with assignments to most lines (excluding notably the Queens and Bronx express lines), the bulk of their lives were spent on former BMT lines). The Transit Authority, due to severe budget constraints, ordered deliberately utilitarian cars that required as little maintenance as possible. This was evident starting with the R-16 and R-17 cars. The R-27/30s were more operational compatible with the R-16s of 1955, but were more advanced in the sense that they were the first B division cars to be semi-permanently coupled as married pairs with each car having only one driving cab and either an air compressor or a motor-alternator and cam control group. They were also the first B division cars to be delivered with fiberglass seats (pink ones for added contemporary pizzazz to distract from the loss of padded seat comfort) and the first to be delivered from the factory with air piston door actuators replaced in favor of electric motors (R-16s converted to electric doors in the mid-1970s). The fan trip cars and all surviving R-27/30s were never fully rebuilt the way all the stainless steel SMEEs and 44/46s were. In the 1970s there was some mixing with R-16s on train consists and some rare instances of mixing with R-32/40/42) but mostly they kept to themselves in solid trains of 4,6,8 or 10 cars.
1993 was the 40th Anniversary and last year of the public use of the title NYCTA. The public name was shortened to NYCT in 1994.
Amazing to think that the slightly younger R32s will remain in service until three decades after this was taken
Greg Huang
Imagine the redbirds had air conditioning? Then they would still be here most likely. The overhall failed I hear on Wikipedia.
@@an2niotransitproductions813 nah probably not they were showing their age and the R142/R142A were technologically better in every way
@@trainsgod1042 when did the r142 run on the b division
@@blockvfive1196 they did say Redbirds as a whole sooo
@@trainsgod1042 so r142s didnt run on the b division idk much abt anything
Man... seeing this just brought tears to my eyes. I remember riding the r30 C train from harlem to Broad Channel to get the A when i was like 5 years old
I used to pester my moms and pop to wait until the r30 came just because it was red NYC will never be the same... RIP r44 r38 and r30 I wish i could have shown my children this in real life.
R.A W they retired because it didn't have air conditioning so the TA decided to retire them
Charly L but that's stupid they could have used them for the winter and cold times in the fall
Christopher Dobson
Space is limited though. Coney island Trainyard is packed for example.
@@charlyl9252he didn’t ask that
I am a massive fan of the BMT Redbirds. Thank you for uploading this great piece of history
Funny how these are rarely mentioned
This video gives me so much nostalgia, thank you for uploading it
You;re welcome.
Damn, like I know we glamorize the past with nostalgia and there were sure a lot of bad problems back then, but something about the simplicity of the 80s and 90s just feels like life was way better back then. I'm honored to have grown up in the 90s, but what I wouldn't do to experience that time as an adult.
I wish I was alive at the time to see the R30s :(
But instead you get to enjoy the fruits of internet augmented living for your whole life, instead of just half your life like me.
I was 14 when you filmed this, looking at the old "TA" brought back a lot of memories. Thanks @trainluvr keep em coming.
It's a shame I never got a chance to ride them when I was young. I was only like 4 when they retired the BMT Redbirds. I grew up by the 1 train so I never got a chance to check out the other lines until high school. I got to ride the IRT redbirds a lot before they were retired in the early 2000s. They were rust buckets by that time, but man those were some beautiful rust buckets!
Taken 5 days after my 9th birthday, i was lucky to ride on the R27/R30 one year before retirement on the C train from 167th street to Kingsbridge Road. Sighs memories
I wish they preserved one! These were cool with the doors though. They rode in them with the doors open
Who is they and which doors?
trainluvr
1:54
They rode with the emergency doors open probably because it was hot right?
trainluvr
I also like how you recorded all the lights flickering on and off. The new trains must be AC power and these older ones were only DC. How ofter would the trains loose power briefly when moving?
The end doors were kept open for ventilation, even on regular trains.
Any time both contact shoes on a car stopped touching a third rail, the lights would go out. Such as at the necessary gap at track switches.
I remember I used to ride the R-30s as a kid. Great video.
I’m glad they saved a few R30s, even though the museum right now only has an R30 without a mate. Hopefully we don’t have to suffer another era where an entire Subway class was scrapped, with the last being the R27; the last was scrapped in 2013.
The R-32 cars were the last similar looking stainless steel cars to remain in service, finally being retired on January 9, 2022 from the Q train, their original debuting line on September 14, 1964, after a nearly 58-year service run with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. The R-30s were very similar looking to the R-32s but built with non-stainless steel material. They also had metal hand straps on the ceiling for passengers to hold on to and ceiling fans to help keep the passenger car cool during the hot summer months. The longest-lasting R32s were in service for almost 58 years, currently the longest such service life in New York City rapid transit operations. They were the last cars built for the New York City Transit Authority - prior to its merger with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in 1968 - to remain in service. The R32s had survived well past their specified service life of 35 years. They are the oldest rolling stock since the retirement of the Redbird trains and the oldest rolling stock of any metro system in North America, as well as some of the oldest rolling stock of any metro system anywhere in the world. The R32s outlasted the newer R38s, R40s, R42s and New York City Transit R44s, all similar car classes which were retired between 2009 and 2020. Despite their considerable structural quality, the R32s suffered from low mechanical reliability near the end of their service lives. They had the lowest Mean Distance Between Failures figures of the active fleet, as the overhauls they received during the 1988-89 period wore out after 29-30 years. Others criticized the R32s for their appearance and lack of comfort. In August 2011, The New York Times called the R32s “a dreary reminder to passengers of an earlier subterranean era” and claimed that “time has taken a toll” on the cars. The cars had worn-out air conditioning, propulsion and braking systems, so they were often temporarily transferred to services with mostly outdoor or elevated portions, namely the A, J and Z. R-30s were in service for 32 years 1961-1993. The cars were officially retired from the C train on June 25, 1993. Replaced by the R68 and R68A cars. R-30s were built by the St. Louis Car Company in St. Louis, Missouri, United States. Between 1985 until 1989, all GE-powered R30s and R30As were rebuilt and painted in the Fox red paint scheme, similar to 27 select R27s and other Redbird trains in the subway system, as part of the Clean Car Program. The WH-powered R30s, which were not rebuilt, were replaced by the R68As and the rebuilt R30s, which were transferred from the BMT Eastern Division. The last unrebuilt train ran on December 14, 1990. In January 1990, the R30s were removed from passenger service due to a converter bracket failure. Just two years later, the MTA made a decision to retire the 162 overhauled cars. On May 30, 1993, the Electric Railroaders’ Association sponsored a Farewell to the R30 fan trip. Despite the retirement of the cars, the spare factor in the B Division was only lowered by 12%, which did not cause an adverse effect on service. After retirement, most cars were sent to what is now Sims Metal Management’s Newark facility to be scrapped and processed. Some cars were retained as movie props, but many were ultimately scrapped as well. R30 car, #8463, was used as a school car until October 22, 2013, when it was also trucked to New Jersey to be scrapped at Sims Metal Management (along with R27 car #8145). Cars #8424-#8425 were used as school cars in Coney Island Yard until October 21, 2013, when they were trucked to New Jersey to be scrapped at Sims Metal Management.
15:30 INSANE footage of the former Dean street. I did not believe how badly deteriorated that station was. There are rarely any photos available of how it looked post 1981. Seeing this in 1993 is blowing me away. The worn platform, fragile railings and antique like walls look like they resemble the 1910's fulton ave el style elevated stations and was badly falling apart. Plus the station was so close in proximity to the others near it with graffiti everywhere. I read turnstiles were being jumped resulting little to no fares being collected here. So glad footage exists of this.
Gese, even in 1993 the r68 trains look old. See the windows scratched up and rust?
R30s On The Brown (M).
Amazing video!!!
5:34 There’s a R12 subway car.
Damn awesome video!
The R-32s were roughly three years younger than the R-30s which were retired in 1993 and the R-32s were retired nearly three decades after them in 2022, kinda amazing.
They were only 3-4 years older than the R32, yet the retired 24 years ago and the R32 is still here today. Why would they retire them so early?
Maserati7200 ...The R30's did not have air conditioning, and retrofitting them would have made the already heavy cars prohibitively heavy. The T. A. Decided that since A.C. was a priority, it was a better idea to just scrap them.... Pity.
Also they're weren't all stainless steel like the 32s so their bodys wouldn't have lasted as long as the 32s
Ridership at that time also wasn’t too high to where the MTA could wait about a decade to replace the R27/R30s with the R143s.
@@TheSUBWAYZ the nycta 44s where carbon steal so they got scraped 13 years only
@Renz-O he said they were going to be replaced by the 143s. They were unfortunately retired early by the 68/68As.
Taken 13 years and 1 day before I was born.
Your point being?
Nothing
I just love how the lights on these and other fleets of older cars- including SEPTA with the Almond Joys, would sporadically go out due to the third rail. It’s funny that MTA’s R-32 Budd cars lasted over 24 years long than SEPTA’s M-3 cars.
I also forgot to mention i got my hands on the R1-9 Destination sign used in the beginning of this video and on the fantrip. A friend gave it to me :D
Awesome video! :D
The subway system had hardly no delays at this time,compared to nowdays
It was better than now, but on time performance never recovered to pre-1970 levels.
Ah...I was only 4 months old when this footage was recorded. Simpler times when everyone wasn't distracted by their smartphones. Also were those people actually throwing down at 23:40 ?! Holy smokes!🤣
25:45 and 28:15 Dr. Zizmor sightings
Given that I was born in ‘97, long after these trains were retired, I’m quite surprised to see how much has not changed since this was shot. Most of the train stations have remained unchanged for nearly thirty years, with the Franklin Avenue shuttle line, and Coney Island being the only exceptions. Granted the changes made since then are very subtle, but other than that it’s the same today as it was then.
I got to ride these from 1989 through 93. I sure liked these B Division redbirds along with the R32
i miss the r33 redbirds subway cars
You know what
They should of never scrapped the R30s
I wanted to drive that day
Well they had to
1. Not stainless steel unlike the r32, their bodies won’t last very long
2. They didn’t have AC so the Ta ain’t like that at all
I remember when these cars ran on the BMT almost exclusively - in their original olive drab.
Yeah but the dirt and grime made appear as a dusty black.
I hope you still have the original VHS..I may be able to convert it to full 60fps
These trains are lost gems looks just like r32s but red I really wish I could ride one
Actually if you look out for different events you could ride a redbird
@@nyclev_ Yes but the Redbird in this video is a R30 model aka BMT Redbird. The ones that's preserved are IRT Redbirds. Not much different but still ain't quite the same either
Amazing R27’s & R30’s are sister cars to R32’s!!
Anyone know why the lights go out in the cars at 1:53? I remember this also happening on the 7 line heading into the times square station, as well as the N line between 59th st and 8th ave in Brooklyn.
RIP R30
You should change your name to the 90s train expert films
What ever happened to all those great shirts at 24;45???
WOW!!! #nostalgic
look at all those retired GMC Fishbowls and Flexible New Looks.
not retired.
Cool! :)
I never got to ride bmt redbirds
15:39 Dean Street was still in use in 1993?
Yup I was there in the summer of 94 with my dad but did not enter the station cause it looked super dangerous I was 8 years old at the time so we went to park place instead Dean street closed September 10 1995
are there any R30 cars left in new york that runs other then the brown car in the museum.. which i have never seen move?
To my eyes that car appears to be olive drab, known as Pullman green.
Never seen Them in action
The R27/R30 would of been have been retired by the R160s in 2009 it would of been great yk
Reminds of when the C used to go to Rockaway Park, why did they retire these? They looked cleaner than the R32's today!
They didn't have A.C,so the TA decided to scrap them.
joe c that's a real stop reason to retire them they could had just used them I'm the winter and other cold times
16:16, R32 S Train!!
where did the NX train go...?
From brighton beach to 57 St/7 av thru coney island and via sea beach express
15:25-16:15. Dean Street station covered in graffiti. It was closed in 1995.
Why were there 4-car D trains and 6-car B trains back in 1993???
Ridership was different back then and plus this was taken on a weekend.
For safety reasons and cost reductions, off-peak service often used short trains at the time.
Is that Bill Wall towards the end?