A Brief Retrospective | TV-Show Season 4A VS Comic Book Differences Explained | The Walking Dead
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- Today at the Mystery Shack, we return to the universe of The Walking Dead to continue our retrospective journey through the series. We will be delving into the TV-show version and the respective comic book issues to see how the adaption handled taking the panels into a live-action format. In today's episode, we look at the TV exclusive storylines in early season 4 as well as wrap up the infamous governor arc in his final attack on the prison.
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0:00 Introduction
0:31 Pre-Season Discussion
6:38 Season 4 & Issues 43-48
33:52 Outro & Updates About Upcoming Parts
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I don't hate the walkers being less important. They're more a tool, or an obstacle instead of a serious issue. Which makes sense. They're used to it by now
Walkers are the setting not the villains in my opinion
Did you watch the world beyond. That really showed how people can get used to the walkers
I hate it by season 7 where there would be whole episodes with barely any walkers
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How come?
@@T2G-DJT Because while they shouldn’t be a massive threat it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be a threat at all. That’s why the bridge storyline in season 9 was soooo good. Because when you have cheap bottle episodes with nothing but the all out war stuff then it’s just not as fun
I feel like the walkers would become less of an issue in real life as people get over their fear and learn how to quickly take them down. My favourite group of villains is the whisperers because in a very creative way, they combine the threat of humans with the threat of walkers. Plus after no way out, there wasn't much more they could do with walkers on their own
Yep I said way back when the only thing you could not get over with the smell LMFAO
@@The_Knight_Mayor you’d be surprised how quickly you would get used to it
@@darkdog42 @fbi 👀
@@eunocicada62 living next to literal cow shit 24/7, you get used to bad smells easy
I always thought they took in the Woodbury folks so they had a bunch of red coats they could kill off without having to make the tough choices on killing a main cast member.
that + they didn't have keep the Woodbury set for another season
@@gamefan987 Woodbury wasn't a set. They filmed it on the main street of Senoia, Georgia. So they couldn't use for a long time as they had to shut down all the businesses and roads.
@@yettai1995 so a set then? Lmao.
@@yettai1995 lol
@@scottedwards3403 More accurately would be shooting on location. Set kinda insinuates fabricated entirely by the studio/production house.
The changes the writers made for the show from the comics worked back then, but they didn't later on in the show. It's insane to me how Gimple is basically the reason for TWD's rise and fall. He wrote some of the best episodes and took the show in an incredible direction in season 4 and 5 which made it one of the most popular shows on TV. But his decisions after that ruined the show and caused it's decline, and I really dont understand how the same man is responsible for this.
I agree, but many things aside Gimple also affected TWD, let’s not forget that TV audience has decreased since then, and TWD is another example of something becoming so popular that it turns into a victim of itself (actors and actresses leaving, poor decision making, budgets, etc.)
I kind of compare it to “Game of Thrones”. The show runners did an amazing job in the beginning, even with the changes in the adaptations, but then they started just screwing it all up. No clue what goes through their minds when they make these decisions.
@@danielleos3593 true, but as Gimple was the showrunner most people lay the blame on him. It's like if a President is in office during really difficult times, people will blame them for it
Yeah it’s really weird. Hell, S4 ep6 is still one of my favourite episodes by how he made us root for the Governor by the end without using cheap tricks
@@ryanelliott71698 the Governor episodes are marmite episodes 😂. I don't really know anyone that likes them unless they were big the Governor fans. If it was exactly the same 2 episodes but with Negan no doubt fans would love iy
I don't feel enough people highlight David Morrisseys performance as the Governor. He did an exceptional job creating a unique take on an iconic villain. Also one of the finest false American accents on TV.
Andrew Lincoln's fake American accent is a walking meme, quite literally
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This scene is like, 10 times more emotional if you read the novels **SPOILERS for The Fall of the governor part 2**
Lilly had a miscarriage before the attack, she shot Lori because The Governor forced her and she thought that Lori was carrying supplies, not a baby; Lilly then sees the body and becomes rightfully enraged, then kills him. The books are in the same universe of the comics, so it is really dark, but I still recommend it for those how like the comics.
I completely agree. I feel like the novels deal with character deaths better than the show did.
Very slowly she turns and scorches him with such a contemptuous look that it nearly takes his breath away. She utters something that he doesn’t hear at first, his one-eyed gaze held rapt by her blazing stare.
“What was that?” he demands of her, his single gloved hand balling into a fist.
“You monster,” she says again, louder this time, through clenched teeth.
The Governor goes very still, serpentine-still, a boa coiling itself in the presence of a threat-all this in spite of the looming threat of the horde filling the general vicinity with the odor of rotten meat and the sound of broken gears grinding and groaning. Very carefully, enunciating every word, the Governor says, “What. The. Fuck. Did. You. Just. Say to me?”
Austin whirls toward the Governor and raises his gun as though trying to decide whom to shoot.
“I said,” Lilly Caul barks at him, her words like darts now, projectiles aimed at his face, fueled by scalding tears tracking down her face, “you are a fucking monster! LOOK AT WHAT YOU MADE ME DO?!” Without tearing her gaze from him, she gestures down at the murdered woman and baby, the pathetic carnage joined in the eternal bond of mother clutching child to her bosom. “JUST FUCKING LOOK!!”
He does look now, and he does see, and maybe for the first time since he took control of Woodbury, Georgia-since he became the Governor-the man who calls himself Philip Blake does sees the consequences of his actions. “F-fuck,” he utters to himself, his voice drowned by the clamor of gunfire staving off the pitiless, rotting, hellish onslaught now bearing down on them.
“A baby!” Lilly roars at him. “A BABY!” She turns her gun around and slams the butt into the Governor’s face. The pain shoots up the bridge of his noise, the impact making a wet thud that momentarily blinds him and drives him to the ground. “YOU MADE ME KILL A FUCKING BABY!”
The Governor flops onto his back and tries to sit up, but his head is ringing like an alarm, the dizziness washing over him and stealing his breath. “W-what are you-?”
Lilly Caul turns the barrel of her Remington around and lunges at him. She rams the blue-steel muzzle into his mouth hard enough to crack two of his front teeth. The barrel lodges itself so deep in his throat that it forces a strangled gag out of him.
Lilly’s finger starts to tighten on the trigger. Philip Blake’s single eye finds her eyes.
The entire world seems to stop-time standing still-as if hell has at last frozen over.
-The Fall of the Governor Part 2: Chapter 16, Page 183
I would care a lot... But I can't. After the way she treated Lee she can rot in hell idec 🤣
@@raditzhoneyham No, Lilly from the Telltale games is a separate character. Lilly Caul is not her
Thank you for this comment! You answered a question I've had! I moved a couple months ago and live by the library and they have all the comics , which of course I re-read! But they also have the novels. I was curious if the novels were technically Canon with the comics or the shows. I'm glad it'd the comics , I love the show , obviously! But the comics will always be my favorite!
27:45 I've never read the comics but you can literally see that she also got shot. Getting shot in the arm would definitely through your aim off.
Agreed I noticed that too
the entire Woodbury saga is a prime example of making bizarre changes to the source material just for the sake of changing stuff.
Your retrospective is currently my favorite series of video on CZcams, makes me go back to simpler times.
Also I kever knew that the prison was built for the show, I always thought it was an old prison being renovated, this is actually pretty impressive.
27:42 about Michonne missing at point blank, didn't she get shot in the shoulder, more specifically, in the armour? There's even a "PTING!" sound next to it, that probably threw her off balance and that's why she missed.
Yea, he even showed that panel. Not sure what confuses him on that part honestly
@@Azazreal honestly like these videos but when I saw that it seem to me he only has keen eyes only on the show, got confused about how michonne missed, probably didn't know about the for The Fall of the governor and lilly stuff weird for a big TWD fan. also, he seem to gloss over the comics sometimes just dismissing it as not being overly emotional as the show, he even barely talk about how badly andrea's was ruined or any actual emotional scenes like when carl asked where his mom and sister were after the horror etc but spend plenty of times gushing over music? (not that the music isn't good but I don't think it has impact on the actual show), seemingly loving characters mostly because of the actors (not saying the acting is bad but pretty face doesn't excuse bad writing especially when they act out of character), drawn out deaths because in real life people get to have full speeches and foreshadowing before death and fillers that mostly go nowhere. maybe I'm misunderstanding or bias sorry but I still can't wait for the next video.
I guess I should've elaborated more on that. That's what I meant when I said that she obviously just had to get out of there - my point was more so the fact that she had an automatic weapon, so her grazing him and not just continuing to spray somewhere in his direction seems a tad bizarre if her only intention for going there was to kill the governor.
Though on the other hand - yeah, getting shot yourself isn't too much either and you can also argue that the panel of her behind him is literally like a 1/1000 of a second and that's why she didn't get a good shot in.
@@Koroto I don't know much about guns, but if that's the case then I'm also confused how she missed, just pointed it out cuz you didn't really mention it on the video. Btw I'm loving the videos man, as someone who never read the comics having someone explain and compare really puts it into prespective. I hope you have a nice day
The reason Michonne misses the Governor is quite literally in the panel, she gets a stray shot on the shoulder, putting her aim off and the sound of the gunshot most likely makes the governor flinch.
The way michonne only grazes the governor in the comics makes a lot of sense from a realism standpoint. The barrel is directly on his head so any movement he does moves the barrel and will knock michonne off balance
She also gets shot in the shoulder which knocked which is why I always thought she missed
There should be more spears in the Walking Dead series. They could save ammo and be outside biting range.
What happens when you miss?
@@Gfp1995Who says you're always throwing them
Spears are poking weapons. If you miss, you withdraw and poke again.
Well, Morgan uses something very similar later on
I personally prefer the comic version of the fight in the prison, characters are dying like flies, the first person to die in the comic was Axel who had great popularity even Kirkman said that he regrets killing him, having andrea out of the prison also adds more tension to the conflict (as andrea is basically the god of snipers in the comic), the group relying on Billy was kind of cool as he was the second best shooter, and Lily having the chance to kill the Governor was very interesting,and i wouldn't call this something that cames out of nowhere, because a good chunk of the woodbury soldiers are seeing struggling during the conflict, for example the one that kills billy is seeing crying after killing him realising that he kill just a boy and then gets insulted by the gobernor for showing weakness, and then when Hershel after losing his younger son just gives up the soldiers of woodbury ignore him because he was no treat, the governor is the one who keeps insults his soldiers and executes him, also i really find intersting the comic version of Hershel he wasn't this wise figure like the show version but a person that keeps failing his family, Shawn (his oldest son) dies because he didn't listen to him about securing the fences in the farm, Lacey and Arnold died because he decided that the walkers could still be cured, Susie and Lacey died because he went to the prison and abandon his farm , and Billy dies because they think that defending the prison was the bettter choise, so the panel when he finally gives up and says "Dear,God...please just kill me" hits really hard
I still wonder if there’s a zombie Judith rolling around the prison area. There’s really eerie fan art of zombie Lori and Judith.
Considering her whole body was crushed underneath Lori, I don't think she reanimated. Lori definitely did, though.
@LilDoubtMusic Sadly, no, but I doubt a baby crushed under the weight of a grown body would have enough brain matter left to reanimate. Though what concerns me is that Walker Lori probably ate what was left of her daughter.
@@darkknight5541 Probably or not, considering walkers don’t eat already old flesh and it depends on reanimation time
@@0neiros. Considering it usually seems to depend on the amount of trauma, I'd say Lori reanimated quickly enough for what's left of Judith to still be fresh enough for her to eat.
@@darkknight5541 bro why you are obsessed with laura eating judith
Fun fact: Lilly in the comics was supposed to be the Lilly from Telltale's The Walking Dead Season 1, but it got changed later on
Edit: It was other way around
The other way around, the game Lilly was supposed to be the backstory for the comics Lilly but Kirkman decided to release his novel Road to Woodbury telling her story instead.
@@PagemanX I meant that only
i think something important is that you do get a glimpse about the governor being dark with him wanting to capture michonne and preparing the room with all the tools for her obviously he didn’t get to do anything but it sure does hint at how dark he could have been
Tara actually IS in the comics but she plays a very small role, and is part of Negans crew instead.
not at all, she is lilys sister in the governor background books, but she actually dies running from some random zombies. the books are called path to woodbury or something like that
@@TERRIVELDZ look up "Tara walking dead comics" and come back to me. I never read the books, so if Tara's there I would consider them to be kinda confusing in canon to the comics
There's more than one Tara in the comic continuity. There's the Savior Tara, yes, and there's also the sister Tara. Neither come even close to being as big of characters as TV show Tara, though.
@@MaryRoeRussel Ahh okay, thanks for clarifying!
The Tara you're talking about from the comics, her real counterpart is Arat in the show. As, they are both saviors, their names were just flipped around.
This is where my brother lost interest in the show, honestly it was iconic and I don’t blame him for feeling that after this it can’t get any better, such an epic conclusion to the prison arc. Thanks for the videos! I have been looking forward to this video dropping so much!
Yet he lost interest here?
I lost interest after Season 4, I mean I still watch the show, but I kind of lost interest in it
@@juanma250297 I honestly just watch it to see where everything’s going, and it’s not going well.
Idk how people stopped watching during season 3 or 4. Those are when the series hit its stride
My boyfriend stopped reading the comics and watching the show at this point too, and I'm just like how could you not continue after that.
Found your channel yesterday, I was watching all TWD retroactive and was sad when I finished them but you blessed me today with this one
I just finished reading these issues from the comic, Tyresse's death hurts the most, damn i was at least happy he died rather quickly and wasn't tortured
He was tortured and died pretty slow lol. Being decapitated must feel like years, not to mention the pain. In the novels, the Governor demands him to tell the weak points of Prison by beating him, and Tyreese tells him it's a prison - there is none.
I feel like Bob was supposed to be Dale if Jeffery DeMunn hadn’t quit the show. Dale gets his leg eaten by the hunters in the comics after all.
Yeah and it makes sense how bob got with Sasha seeing how sasha was kinda like Andrea for the show and dale and Andrea are together in the comic books.
Please keep this series going, very interesting on how the TV series and the comics are very different.
I love how you're mentioning the song choices that appear in the episodes. I remember listening to so many of those songs on my playlist, and the collective vibe of them all does a brilliant job of cementing the aesthetic and feel of the show in its early years.
Small thing. In the comic you can actually see in the panel that when Michonne misses her shot at the governor it's because she herself is shot in the shoulder, knocking her aim off target. The riot armor protects her from most of the injury this would cause, but as bullets still have an incredible amount of power and energy behind them, it makes total sense that she would be knocked off target. And to be fair, she DOES in fact hit the governor, but rather than being a kill shot it merely grazes him
Some people really need to accept the fact that The Walking Dead isn't about zombies, it's about people, in fact The Walking Dead refers to humans, not the zombies ("We are The Walking Dead"). It's a show about survival, morality, family, community, sacrifice, loss, emotions, how people are the biggest threat, not the walkers. The zombie apocalypse is the setting for the show, walkers are always in the background but the majority of the drama and conflict comes from people. Only when there are hundreds of walkers in one place do they really become a threat. I mean think about it. The characters have been killing walkers and surviving in this world for years to the point that walkers arent that threatening anymore because they are skilled and adept at killing them. Unless they got overwhelmed or are in a situation where they cant fight back, of course theyre not going to be as much of a threat as in early seasons where they didnt really know what they were doing. I dont really know what people expect honestly. People still get bit but not as often and humans can use herds to their advantage. If you just want to see people killing zombies and zombies killing people, go watch a 2 hour long zombie movie, but that isnt what TWD is and I wish people would STFU about it especially after 11 years!
It pisses me off as well.. This is supposed to be a "realistic" take on a zombie outbreak and in the real world as well the most dangerous time when it comes to the walkers are the first days/weeks /months.. After the initial shock they would just become another predator we had to adapt to and eventually you would have people in the apocalypse who had never seen a walker..
@@mullaoslo exactly! If walkers were the only threat in this show then it would be get so boring and repetitive, which some people already argue it is. Like I said people still get bit but characters are skilled enough to take on multiple walkers by themselves or as a team, we've seen herds as big as a football stadium and people that blend in with walkers and can control them. Like what else do people want? Walkers that are more dangerous, harder to kill, smart and faster? Well after 11 years they might finally get their wish 🤣
I completely agree! I think that’s why world beyond and fear are teasing a new type of Walker. So many people have complained about the walkers not being a big enough threat anymore and stopped watching or whatever so I think the writers listened to people and try to introduce a new threat. I like the human threats because if you think about it, the apocalypse just gave all the wrong people the right power to do whatever they want and be as evil as they can.
@@bishbosh4815 I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this. Hell, another reason why the first episode of season 3 was great because we actually got to see our group fight as a well oiled machine when clearing the prison.
100% agree
I absolutely loved both versions both had me excited since I read and watch them around the same time
Make the poster so much impactful. "Fight the dead, fear the living". The walkers are an easy obstacle, it's the people you have to worry about.
the finale is so much more impactful when you consider the fact that tank go boom
7:37 that song choice was so good
kinda looked like michonne took a round in the arm causing her to miss the govenor in the comics.
YO! How have I never seen this creator! These video essays are incredible and so well thought out! I'm beyond shocked that this channel doesn't have over a million subscribers. All these videos are incredible! Keep up the good work!
To me the walkers being less of a threat makes sense..you have people that at the start has no idea what was going on and now they know what to do and have plans to do it...yes there still a huge threat is massive numbers but in the comics I know they learn to steer the heard's away from where they are...people become a bigger threat and I think that's the whole point of them is that people are who you should be afraid of in the end
I feel like the show did the first half of season 4 better than the equivalent issues in the comics, but generally speaking I think the comics are superior
So on season 2 episode 4 Cherokee rose, when they get that gorgeous view after Hershel tells rick to take a minute. I'm pretty sure that's the same spot alpha showed off her horde.
Another fantastic video, Season 4 is right around when I gave up on the show but I love your analysis. I'm really looking forward to the next videos when you get into territory I'm totally unfamiliar with. Keep up the great work!
You gave up on the show nearing its prime?
I think it makes sense that as more time goes on those who survived would begin to become better adapted to the threat, so it makes sense that they would be less of a threat. I like that they never stop being a threat and are even used as a weapon against other groups.
I can only say thank you for making these videos I'm a walking dead fanatic and for me to see these videos all in order is such a treat for me I appreciate all the hard you put in
I love these videos. I’ve been here since the season 1 retrospective. I’ve read and still own every volume of twd and it’s so cool to compare both the comics and show all the way back to the beginning. The time you spend putting effort into these videos is so worth it
I noticed the woman that Rick met in the season premier turned and became apart of the herd that raids the prison. A cool detail
I appreciate this series, I couldn't really get into the show, I really dislike it, but I adore the comics, they are some of my favorite media ever. I love seeing the differences in this series. I still think the comics are superior overall, the only thing I liked about the show was the Governor's appearance.
season 4? more like historically underrated.
i just binged this entire series up to now, please never stop making these videos i love them
Another great video dude! Love this series! Loved episode 1 of season 4 where Hershel talks to Tyreese about how when all goes to hell, tank go boom.
29:25 Tanks are actually remarkably, like hilariously easy to take out for ground infantry. There's no defense really. Except from a narrow front arc with the coaxial LMG.
Thank you for exposing me to how good the comics are! When I started watching this I hadn't read a page of the comics now I'm on the 4th compendium
One thing I never understood were the walkers at the prison. Most notably when they were dealing with all the walkers gathering at the fence and threatening to knock it down. They could have eliminated the entire threat literally by spending a half a day and taking them out one by one. Half dozen of our group could have spread out around the perimeter fence and simply got the walkers attention and took them out one by one with tire irons and knives. Always made me laugh when they just let the walkers gather up and knock the fence over when that issue could have been solved so simply.
Reviewing this series now as the last episodes are coming out, and i just gotta say it's so good! the amount or work you put into these videos are just great. BTW to comment on your slight confusion at 27:40, you can see Michonne get shot in her left shoulder, i think that is what makes her flinch and miss.
22:46 I never noticed that before. Perfect.
As a comic fan I do have to point out, ignoring the brief segment at the beginning of the comics where Tony Moore was the artist, can we please acknowledge how damn good Charlie Adlards art got in the walking dead comics. It started out as honestly mid and pretty crappy when he took over the art for the comics, but over time it really improved and became the walking dead comic iconic art style. I think Charlie definitely deserves a lot more credit, I love seeing his art
In full honesty, I don’t like or care about zombies. I like them as a facilitator for the worlds in zombie stories. I even stayed away from TWD for the longest time because of the zombies. Then I picked up the books in 2020 and absolutely adored them. Watched through all of the show that was out at the time too. I prefer the human v human conflicts as a personal preference tho.
Bro I’m loving these videos, keep these up and I’ll guarantee one day these will blow up extremely.
Thank you! And again please keep the series going to cover all seasons
I've been thoroughly traumatized by the nighttime shoots heavily featuring Carl in Alexandria.
Carol’s character development is absolutely next level. I’m so happy they took her this direction, and ultimately it’s this season where she becomes my favorite character.
Thank you for uploading so soon again! Love your videos!
Thanks for making my day and keep up the great work!!!!!
Awesome video! Was well worth the wait. Tank Go Boom!
I’m loving this series so far. Anxiously waiting for the next part! Tank Go Boom…
The governor flashback is not entirely exclusive to the show as its based on the book Rise of the Governor
The tank go BOOM! What the hell is up with that?! 🤣🤣🤣
This is awesome, keep up the quality videos!!!
Night time shoots add a dimension of horror.
The pillow with the parrot that the governor was laying on looked like the parrot was perched on his shoulder too lol
The answer a question "I don’t understand how Michonne could miss at point blank range" the panel actually depicts her being his in the shoulder by a bullet, the word PING bouncing off her riot gear. It obviously threw her aim off enough for the shot to skim the governors cheek instead of killing him.
It’s easy to miss due to how breakneck the comic is in these stories but the answer is there.
My guy, your videos have been super entertaining. I’m not usually into people talking about shows or anything, but you’ve done an excellent job with this series so far. Good work.
So I picked up the Walking Dead comics about this time the show came out. At first, I was trying to find individual comics at the library but then when they put the compendiums out, I was able to read them. Maybe it was really season 4 when I found them but I’m just going to say it was about this time that I was looking at both the show and the book. I was so pleased with how much of the show was going. I felt like the show writers were keeping true to the setting of the story without letting spoilers or knowledge ruin the story. I wasn’t sure WHO would get bit because they seemed to change it up just in case anyone was trying to ruin it for their friends. It definitely made me enjoy it a lot more during this time of the show. I didn’t realize how important Andrea would become so I wasn’t concerned with how her arc went in the show, and I didn’t really care that they changed some of the character cast. It was like… watching Rick have to navigate two different worlds that were closely aligned. It was kinda cool to see how things changed or didn’t change. It wasn’t until mid-Negan that I started getting bothered by the changes.
Anyways, amazing work, guy. Keep this up, please.
The part where Michonne misses from point blank. -I think she gets shot at the same time. The 'PTING' is a bullet ricocheting off her shoulder - body armour.
26:05 No minor detail has bothered me more than the smoke from the burning tower in the background being white instead of black, when just a few episodes later they make a whole point about white smoke meaning that the fire is no longer burning.
Please make more of these retrospective videos for the rest of the seasons ive binged all and have none left to watch 😆 I never read the comics but I like to see the comparisons
So much differences! Keep up the great content : )
27:39 Michonne gets shot in shoulder, you can see the bullet ricochet on her shoulder pad, that causes her to miss the shoot.
Finally been waiting for the next one!!!🔥🔥🔥
I have to say I've always loved the prison arc in the comments it's honestly my favorite part of the comics. It's brutal and barbaric nature is intense, and genuinely frightening. People are still just trying to figure out the new world. It also showcases what complacency can do to a person, being shielded from the world, getting comfortable. Can get very dangerous for the group.
Keep up the great videos man, love TWD content
P.S. Tank go boom
This man needs more viewers, amazing video!
Made to Suffer is arguably the best Walking Dead volume. I go between that and Something to Fear
yesss I have been waiting for this 🤩
I find it odd you mentioned the novels but didn’t mention them when talking about Bob. You said his character wasn’t fleshed out in the comic canon but he absolutely was in several books as he rose to leadership in the revived Woodbury alongside Lilly. Also the books are pretty important, without them there would have been no Tara, no Lilly( because the show was an amalgam of April/Lilly), and no Governor subplot in season 4.
Yeah, without them we would have had a better follow-up to season 3's finale, maybe
27:40 the reason she missed is she got shot in the shoulder, but it bounced of her armor, causing no damage but making her misfire
The reason michonne missed was because she was pinged in the shoulder by a bullet. You can see it in the bottom right of the large panel
I really liked when the tank go boom.
Also Michonne missing her shot on the governor was because she was shot in the arm, pushing the butt of the gun away resulting in a missfire
Tara is not a TV show exclusive. She was in the novel Rise of the govner. She was a very minor character and never joined Ricks group but she is not exclusive to the TV show.
I know it's show vs comics, not a show vs novels, but I'd like to point out a couple things that the show adapted from the books rather than the comics, which I think was a very clever use of adaptation seeing as how they didn't NEED to use the stuff from the novels, but used it in fun ways to tie it into their story. Also, I don't think I need to clarify, but for some reason I sometimes see people think the two are in the same universe which... confuses me? But just to be clear, the novels are in the comic's universe, not the TV show.
If you haven't read Rise of the Governor, I'll try to leave out important spoilers, but maybe be cautious? I don't think it's SUPER important, but that's just me. In the novel, Brian is actually the Governor's real name, taking the name Philip from his brother later right around when Woodbury's getting started. This is kinda swapped in the show, where his real name is Philip, but takes the name Brian. Both names are obviously used in the show, but his brother is never mentioned. In the book, he, Philip, Penny (who's actually Philip's daughter), and one of Philip's friends all travel to Atlanta, and after a run-in with walkers, end up staying with a family who's also in the city. This family consists of April Chalmers, her sister Tara, and their sick father David (and though she dies around five years before the apocalypse and is only mentioned in passing, I think it's kinda fun that April's mother was named Lillian, short for Lilly). It's not a super direct adaptation, as events do go differently, but there are still similarities. The family is somewhat same with the exception of Lilly being April and no Meghan, as well as Tara being very, very different from the TV version. Some events go kind of similar too as Philip ends up getting together with April (though that doesn't end well) like how the Governor gets with Lilly (doesn't end well either, but in a different way). David is sick with lung cancer in both versions and needs an oxygen tank to survive, dying from his sickness and attacking Tara after he turns into a walker. Philip kills him in the novel while Tara holds kind of a grudge against him. The group is eventually forced to leave by Tara after events between Philip and April, which I won't get into because it's kinda spoilery? Some might not see it as a spoiler, but it affects Philip's character in a certain way and sends him down a path that sets up some other stuff. After that, we don't see April or Tara ever again. Only a little bit was taken from that part of the book, which spans about five or six chapters, but I still thought it was cool how they adapted some stuff.
Bob is another one. Yeah, this was kinda mentioned in the video, but he's more of a character in the books. He doesn't really show up at all in the comics after fixing up the Governor as he goes to do all that tank go boom stuff. At the moment, I've only read Rise of the Governor and Road to Woodbury, so I'm just going off of what I remember from that second book, but I'm sure there's some stuff in Fall of the Governor for this too. Bob Stookey shares the same name as his comic and book counter-part, and also some similar traits. They both served in the military as field-medics and also struggle with drinking. The drinking is a smaller bit to his character in the TV show, but it's seen with Zach's death and when he steals some while on that mission with Daryl, Michonne, and Tyreese. Besides that, from what I remember, the two are basically different, but I think it's fun how they worked him into an actual character on the other side.
Those are the only two I can think of since or speak for since I've yet to read the other novels. Sorry for how long this stupid comment is, you a real one if you read this far.
In the novelization of the governor and woodbury where Bob and Lily play major roles
Love these vids. Thank you
Great videos man!
I appreciate this keep it up man
I wouldn't say the prison attack was worse in the comic based on death toll alone, it's just that in the comic all deaths that occur are main characters as opposed to background extras
I’d say the tv show version prison got destroyed more becos the tank actually works but in the books a lot more deaths occcur
These videos are phenomenal
I look forward to these so much
My main issue with the walkers is more about the characters themselves because even starting in this season, they start making really dumb decisions for no reason. Oh man there are a lot of walkers stacking around this fence. Do we kill them since it would probably only take like 4 hours total to solve the issue or do we reinforce the wall and not kill them for no reason? Like in later seasons with Hilltop where if they literally just got a long stick and sharpened the end they could deal with all of the walkers outside the wall but they just don't and let them stack up to become a bigger problem until the wall eventually breaks down.
I LOVE THIS SERIES SM pls dont stop it
Loving this series, keep it up 👍
On the Michonne missing at point blank range, it looks like she gets shot in the shoulder causing her to flinch
Idk if it’s been answered yet but in the comic michonne is shot in the shoulder just as she fires the gun, hence her missing
I’ve been waiting for this oh baby!!
Eagerly waiting for next episode
Very much in the works :)
I have been really enjoying this series. Season 4 is right when I got into TWD and really explored its characters and world. It would only be later that year that I got interested into the comics as well, as I can't help but spoil myself for what might come. It really has been a blast seeing just what is the same and what is different, just as big of a blast as watching that Tank Go Boom!
Also next part introduces our boy Abraham. So excited for what's to come! You have been doing a great job!
Infantry with explosives is what counters tanks IRL. Aside for other tanks and air support, of course.
The michonne missing the governor thing is because she is shot in the shoulder, you can clearly see the bullet line and the PTING! sound effect and that is enough to make her shot only graze his cheek