Why Moria is the MOST OVERLOOKED Villain in One Piece - Thriller Bark Retrospective
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- Today at the Mystery Shack, we return to Thriller Bark for an in-depth look at Moria, his defeat in the New World and how that climaxes in what I still believe to be the greatest fight and final act in all of One Piece.
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Timecodes
00:00 - Introduction
00:31 - Disrupting the Status Quo
03:42 - Moria - A Villian of no Ambition...
08:49 - but an Unstoppable Force
13:45 - Rubber Bounces Back
16:29 - Moria & His Crew
19:57 - Beyond the Climax: Kuma & Sabaody
22:01 - The Florian Triangle & Unanswered Questions
24:55 - Moria... is Luffy
26:23 - Outro
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Thriller Bark as a whole is an underappreciated masterpiece and I'm tired of pretending that it's not.
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@@Korotoagree, being put right between two of the best One Piece arcs really has most of its stoplight taken away
If Absalom wasn't in it then I'd agree, but he is. So I cannot call it a masterpiece. I hope you understand.
I respect your opinion but I hate thriller bark, when I read one piece when I get to thriller bark, it’s a work to finish it
It was like Halloween with the Muppets and I loved it! I swear the zombies were references to the Muppets, like the pig lady zombie always chasing after her lover like Miss Piggy.
Usopp vs Perona is still one of my favorite fights in the series and for all the hate the arc gets Thriller Bark was still a ton of fun.
Usopp vs Perona is peak fiction
Funny how Moria is just dark timeline Luffy if he gave up after Sabaody
Yeah, Moria is literally Luffy if Jimbei wasnt by his side after Marineford
@@Dmytro_Podorvan Or Luffy if Kuma wasn't in Sabaody
@@ghiffaribara2949 Or Moria is Blackbeard, when he would have beat Kaido.
Funnily enough, he has the shadow fruit and BB the dark fruit
moria never gave up, heck not even post timeskip. like croc, he decided to play smarter not harder but that simply isnt genre saavy in a shonen
If you think about it moria was right. The straw hats werent ready for the new world if kuma wasnt on luffys side in sabaody
Absolutely 100% correct (and I haven't even watched past the title yet)
> zombie man
> likes Moria
I sense some bias here 🗿🗿🗿🗿
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Sadly, people would've loved Moria if he was some deep voiced guy with a conventionally attractive body that they could apply their power fantasy onto. If Oda gave Moria King's body but kept his backstory, people would've said Thriller Bark was peak.
Never thought about it that way but damn you make a point
Basically, if Moria just kept his old ripped body, and didn’t loose his chin, people wouldve LOVED him as a villain.
The sad part is that his design is so damn good and people hate on it. Just by his silhouette you immediately recognize him, and Oda knows it, Doppelman is the perfect culmination of this point lol.
He's so unique and iconic, so fitting with his theme and has sone of the best expressions in the manga.
The anime tho, he's so UGLY, they really couldn't port him in a worse way. I really can't blame people who only watch the anime for not liking Moria. Also his filler parts in the anime make him look even weaker.
@@just_a_folk95 IKR! The thumbnail image of him is my FAVORITE Moria panel.
He looks like he’s trying to smile through all the pain of losing his crew
@@arthursboypusshe3613 hard agree. And it's right after the "true pirate don't fear even death", yet while I do believe him, he has the face of someone who's seen it way too close (and too much).
I love this character so much.
A lot of people forget that when at Marineford someone ordered Doflamingo to take down Moria, because his devil fruit had something more to it that they never even revealed (There was a scene of Doflamingo talking with someone from government or CP and he said "Who could've thought that his devil fruit holds such an ability"). I feel like there is much more hidden that we dont know yet.
And Moria was at Blackbeards island where he was attacked. We dont know if he's alive, probably but if by any chance Blackbeard got hold of his devil fruit power, and he knows the secret. I feel like there's gonna be a huge reveal happening by the end.
I really like Moria and I always loved this ark and brook
The mirror matches work for me, not every fight is one, but they add to the vibe that these matchups are the done by the fighter best suited to the opponent. Or for them to grow as a fighter.
I really like the implications of nightmare luffy. It subtly tells the audience that luffy had to be at least 100x stronger then he already was to beat Moria. Even with all of that, he didn't even directly beat him since Moria was sowly crushed by a falling building, which is great forshadowing that Luffy had no chance in the new world with his current strenght (and that Moria caused his own downfall)
I think the shadows don't boost your power that much, it's just an increase per shadow and you get the bonus abilities of the user (swordsmanship, sniping etc). He probably got pretty decent shadows and base Luffy is really strong, but I don't think he was 100x stronger.
I agree on your point overall, I hate when people underrate Moria so much. Though he didn't do really well in Marineford, Oda could've been more merciful with my guy 😭
idk about the "no chance", the weaker supernovas went directly into the new world and did just fine for themselves, if they could have survived the new world, luffy's crew could have as well. It would have been quite treacherous learning curve though
@@just_a_folk95 It has been explained that each of them exponentially enhance the host's power, which explains the monstruous form Luffy and moria got after absorbing a bunch of them. Thats also the reason why nightmare Luffy stopped Oars's strongest punch with a single hand and why Moria was able to split the island with a Garp-like punch.
@@MalstromFonseca-ze7xe Kuma had to save the Strawhats from Kizaru and the pacifistas because even he knew they had to get stronger to face the new world. Luffy would've probably got through Fishman Island but without 2 years of training with Rayleigh he would've been killed by every major villain from caesar to Kaido since every single one of them had to be beat with haki that he didn't have two years ago. Lets not forget that most of the supernovas survived by allying with stronger emperors, which is something that Luffy would never do.
@@just_a_folk95 And yeah I hope that My poor man will eventually get his comeback. It was really nice seeing him face his new world traumas to go save absalom and his loss would be such a great opportunity to bring back his old glorious self.
One Piece is how I found your channel in the first place. Glad to see you doing more.
ONE PIECE NEVER ENDS 🙌🙌🙌
But yeah, it definitely consumed me a little lmao. These past couple years worth of weekly manga streams have been an absolute blast.
In every arc, Oda brings up small amounts of world building, connects to past and future arcs, and also adds layers to the characters' relationships in the world. Master.
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There's tons of overlooked villains. Like the clout Hordy Jones was able to use to uproar in 100,000 fishmen
Honestly, Hody being an simple, superficial, empty loser of a villain works thematically.
Because the ideas he believes are all of those things too.
Hody is an embodiment of empty, pointless hate, and his character reflects that.
It works.
@@TheSpeepI love how humans literally did nothing wrong to him
Thriller Bark is deeper than anyone truly knows. The setup is very interesting. The act that lands the crew in Thriller Bark was the taking of an offering to God. Now, of course it was a trap. But I believe this act represents Luffy's first slip up as the Sun God. An offering represents a prayer. And defiling one is like defiling a dream. This malintenet led the crew to a karmic trial, where they had to win back their ability to walk under the sun.
And the one who was tested most, was the one with the most checkered past. A former head hunter. Pirate Hunter Zoro. And he was tested by a priest of the Sun God. Before Enies Lobby, Zoro's past seemed excusable. A lot of pirates are evil afterall. But Enies Lobby showed us how illegitimate a bounty can be. So it raises the question of how many pirates Zoro killed that really didn't deserve it. It's an interesting thought.
Each member of Moria's crew is a dark paralell of a Straw Hat. Hogback is Dark Chopper, Perona is Dark Nami, Absalom is Dark Sanji, and Moria is Dark Luffy. But what you might overlook is that Zoro also has a paralell. Ryuma. But in this case, I believe Zoro is the Dark Ryuma. Zoro shows great disrespect and irreverence towards Ryuma in the beginning of their fight. He was channeling major demon energy for no good reason. He became a sword gremlin. Ryuma by contranst was an extremely respectful person in life and now even in death. So they are polar opposites. But interestingly, after Thriller Bark, Zoro becomes more reverent. Showing markedly greater respect for the dead and for the traditions of others.
I think it’s especially neat that the first act of that reverence (respectfully laying his sword to rest) is mirrored by him allowing Ryuma’s sword to finally rest with him in Wano.
Some Thriller bark justice? FINALLY 🎉
Thank you so much for this video on Moria. He's my 2nd favorite villain after Blackbeard and I was looking forward to reading TB for years and recently just finished it and it's my likely my 2nd favorite arc after W7/EL.
Moria's so fun, cool, and interesting. You hit upon everything I love about him and his sad self.
Usopp doesn't have depression, he has anxiety
According with Usopp "I'M AWAYS NEGATIVE"
I actually like nightmare luffy. At that point he'd been fully duped by moria into a wild goode chase. He runs into lola and the rest of morias victims. In a rare instance the people luffy is helping hel him in turn. They want to put their hopes into luffy so they offer him 100 shadows to power him up. This quickly gets him back into the fray and levels the playing field and knockout moria for a bit. But what I really like is its still not enough to defeat oars, and its up to all the strawhats to take him down for good
Moria is the best and most honourable pirate
I've always been somewhat flabbergasted by the community bashing so hard on Thriller Bark, this Arc is extremely well written and holds a special place in my heart
FINALLY an in depth Moria video!
Gomma view it asap, just leaving a comment for now
24:33 homies when I start overanalysing
One of the things to note about Nightmare
Luffy is this is the strongest form Chopper sees him in before the events of Sabaody, and post-ts we see his Heavy Point take more inspiration from it, as Chopper sees Luffy as strength.
While I personally always loved Thriller Bark, I do have to admit that I didn't think much of him Pre-Timeskip. In fact, I was kinda disappointed that he didn't come across as as much of a powerful foe as Croc was.
But Post-Timeskip, I've actually grown to like him. I mean, dude started a fight with an Emperor because of his crewmate and even after getting beaten and learning his crewmate is dead, it seems he didn't bend the knee. I can and do very much respect that.
Phenomenal video! This deserves 100x the views
Thriller bark had the first laughs that got on my nerves. Who said “fos fos fos” and “horo horo horo” were a good idea
Also you make a great point about moria being a dark timeline luffy , there's some curiosity in how both Moria and Big mom are the closest to luffy, but the least popular of their respective groups, even when theyre really excellent mirrors to luffys own ways
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Thriller bark is actually my favorite Arc.
Amazing video 👌🏾
bro just cooked
You really shed light on MORIA....always amazed how you blow my mind with your every video
Great video
Great video! We need more One Piece content from you. Keep it up!
I believe knowing what we know now after Dressrosa, Doflamingo himself decided to kill Moria.
I would like the final battle against Black Beard pirates a crew battle showing how Teach just choose people with power in mind and Luffy picking people he likes and StrawHats teamwork decimating the opponent would be so cool and make sense story wise
Awesome video, i also made a moria video more about him coming back into relevancy. I liked that you brought up his lost ambition, ive always viewed it as a resting on laurels type lost ambition lol.
I always HATED that when he met luffy he stayed seated
I understand why thriller bark and skypia are passed by a lot of people, but I think they are fun adventures that One Piece needs.
Really cool analysis overall, I just wanted to add a point one can reflect on:
You say Moria could've done the same as Luffy, "bounce" back after losing his crew. But Moria actually DID lose his crew, they all died. Luffy didn't, and it was literally the only thing keeping him in check. Jinbe had to punch reason into him again, cause he was on a mental breakdown. What do you think would've happened if he REALLY lost his crew at Sabaody?
For all we know, Moria said he was like Luffy in his youth, so I think the outcome could've been similar. Everyone you care forever died, it's not easy to bounce back after that, and I don't think even Luffy could pull that off. The self-loathing for not being strong enough to protect them would've killed him, and that's what Moria went through imo.
That's why he's my favorite character. Despite his demonic appearance, he's so damn "human", relatable in how he reacts and develops after being crushed by the world. When you remain alone at your weakest, with no one to motivate you and remind you what you still have like Jinbe did with Luffy, can you really come back to your senses that easily? I think Moria has a perfectly reasonable development, and not a classic shonen approach becoming either super edgy "I don't need anyone" neither "my willpower is so strong I'll get back anyway".
I'm just sad Oda didn't give him enough interactions with his living crewmates. He truly cares for them, as we've seen him going to a damn YONKO TERRITORY, and ALONE at that, just to retrieve Absalom. That's some Luffy-tier bullshit, hell not even he went alone to WCI. He's hotheaded, caring for his friends, and determined in what he does, just like the main character we love.
He just had it worse.
EDIT: I didn't wait till the end, my bad lol.
I originally rushed this arc knowing what came next. When I revisited a few Halloween's ago, I found new appreciation for it. The team work take is great! I think that's why I've enjoyed the fights in Stampede and Red, though the former is with other allies than his crew. I wish the Kaido fight had come down to the Straw Hats vs Kaido, another nod to Moira, but the drums of liberation sounded instead. Great video!
You forgot Zoro moved on to Hyori. Ghost Girl is Zoro's old work
This video is crazy good and I agreed with most of the takes here. Although, if there is something I really want to see you talk about, it would be what makes one piece backstories as great as they are, as I think that would be a really interesting topic.
And NOW I have watched every single one of your one piece videos on this channel. Now I will do all the one piece chapter review on krotos tv
Fun fact, in an old tweet the OP editor said that the huge figure we saw in thriller bark was the legs of an elephant
to be honest seeing the straw hats team up to beat moira was one of the greater moments of the series, we rarely ever get to see the straw hats work together like that to take an antagonist off, they all go off to have their own seperate fights, but this time they all planned and worked together to defeat Oars the giant,
and it also displays how useful chopper is to the crew, only chopper would understand that the spine of oars could be destroyed in that way, allowing Oars to be permanetly disabled and defeated. the fact that Every single crew member all contributed and luffy finished it with a gigantic bazooka was incredible, I really wish we could have seen more stuff like this, it shows how strongs luffy crew is when they actually plan things together.
im glad that this is the last great villan they defeat as a crew before the time skip, because it finally allowed us to see the crew working as a real unit with practically 90% of the crew there (excluding jimbei)
I wish we had more fights like the Strawhat Crew VS Oz. And more spotlight on the other crew members besides the monster trio.
Moria is genuinely one of my favorite characters in the whole show, and I really hope he comes back with a changed attitude after everything that happened in hachinosu
finally someone gets what Moria is
Great video- a really thorough analysis, well done! Moria really is dark-timeline Luffy, and it's so interesting to see the parallels. I'd like to see him team up with the Strawhats, eventually- although with Garp now being captured on Hachinosu and Moria possibly still there (and I believe, Sengoku and Tsuru on their way to rescue Garp), Oda might be setting up for a raid on Hachinosu that Moria might play a part in.
Have you seen the theory that Thriller Bark is a remnant of God Valley? I thought it was really interesting, and I read someone positing that maybe he was a resident of God Valley during the Incident as well.
As a thriller bark apologist I'm all in
I loved thriller bark. Very fun ark.
Thought this was a Melon Tree vid for a sec
My favourite One Pice antagonist after Big Mom gets a video? Yes please
At 25:30 He said "Beast Titans" but probably meant "Beast Pirates". @Korotos Mystery Shack, you're way deep into AOT :D
Bro MY BRAIN IS SO ROTTEN WHAT THE 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
My brain is actually a llm just predicting the likeliest following word 💀
@@Koroto No worries🤣🤣🤣
love Gecko MorIa analysis videos, man has had a hard life.
3 minutes in and OMG I COMPLETELY AGREE, the weakling trio fights are my favorites each arc bc most of the time they are won by strategy or even luck while strongest members fights are often won by will power which is not that compelling to me.
I have many respected youtubers I follow that make content about OP, however, for some reason most of them do not like this arc and I completelly agree that it is very underapreciated. I agree with everything you said. One thing I think you should have added though is the end of the arc when moria absorbs all the shadows to attack the strawhats whihc is also the only way for the shadows to be released. Most people think that is just contrived and dumb, they argue that moria could have just waited and the strawhats would be done. And they are not wrong, but it makes sense for moria to do that. In his mind he has to break luffy's spirit just like his was broken. He wants to show luffy that there is no way his tiny crew could defeat even moria, much less a yonko in the new world. And we see again and again in this arc that luffy's crew is completelly outmatched. We see the general zombies and we know they will be an incredible challenge and they are not even the crew. I think the Thriller Bark arc is where we as an audience shoud have noticed what luffy and the crew notice only in shabondy, that they are not ready for the new world. Luffy's crew wins by sheer luck in a lot of fights, luck and guts and persistence etc, but they need more to compete with the greatest.
Most underrated arc in One Piece. Love the Gothic Horror vibes 🧡💜🖤
Def the most personal villain for the Straw Hats.
Thriller bark did introduce brook who is still my favorite one piece character ever!
Moria folded but I still believe that every Warlord is going to join Cross Guild in one way or another and he'll have his moment.
It's less evident in the anime, but Thriller Bark in the manga is worth reading just for its visuals.
It's heavy use of thick lines and intense shading make it the most distinct arc in the whole series in terms of style. Like, this whole arc is just gorgeous to look at.
"He always bounce back" - Luffy
Gin is BACK
TRUE AND REAL 🙌🙌🙌🙌
im a big fan of your vids, i would love it if you could do the daredevil series, its worth youir while and promise its a beautiful watch
ive been up-to-date on one piece since 2014 and I still remember big goofy blue loofy beating the shit out of Oars XD
Commenting as I start the video bc the algorithm needs More-ia
luffy pushing the zombie back into the dirt, is still my favourite gag in all of one-piece, and it only works cause its luffy.
Why did you give Zorro the drip treatment 🤣
Thanks for the spoiler warning at the start, I’ll be back soon to watch this💪
If I had the haki to make my own One Piece channel, this video would have inspired me to make this:
Did Thriller Bark Totally Spoil How Devil Fruits Work?!
>2 devil fruits introduced were Revive and Shadow
>Revive shows DF affect your soul
>Shadow shows if you manipulate your 2 dimensional shadow, your body will be affected 1 dimensionally: physically (in 3D space)
>theory/hypothesis: DFs bind to the soul like a layer of wax. They manipulate the soul at will, which affects the body 2 dimensionally: physically and/or in an alien way (sometimes in 4D space, like the Pocket fruit)
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I wonder if Moria will get motivated now that Kaido is dead
Hear me out guys, what if Moria and Luffy team up to recreate the Nightmare Luffy with the combination of Gear 5th? That would be wild
This is a little flawed because if Luffys crew had all been killed at shabaody we don't know how he would of reacted as he was kinda broken after ace. Also, moria was definitely trying to make a come back as a pirate. That's the point of most of the shichibukai, they pretend to be inactive while gathering power. Moria straight up said he didn't have powerful enough shadows for his zombies. He was waiting for an 100 million bounty for oars.
1:42 my favorite usopp fight fr
I feel like Moria is going to get the Don Krieg treatment in season 4 because that fight is way too strange for live action
Thriller Bark is my favorite arc (excluding all Absalom, sanji and hogback pervertedness moments)
I think the problem is that people refuse to look at thriller bark under any other lens than “the typical one piece” arc type.
Thriller bark is silly as hell. It’s funny as hell. It’s clearly the most comedic relief of the entire series. It’s much less linear than other arcs for the time. The dialogue in this arc is extremely underrated.
Imo if Oda made thriller bark less comedy focused or made Moria more menacing, the fandom as a whole would hold it in a better view.
Hey I just realized something, with kaido dead, that means Moria would actually regain his drive as a pirate once again. Not only that but he would be thankful to Luffy. Now remember moria has no real crew of his own, so really there is really only one option for him left, and that is to join someone else's crew. That crew would either be cross guild, or in an ironic twist of fate, luffy's crew. As Luffy is the man who took down kaido, it would be fitting for the man who lost everything to kaido to join his crew. And while he may have originally been an enemy of Luffy, his wacky appearance would certainly fit right in with the rest of the straw hats.
I strongly disagree with the idea of needing to see the Strawhats fight together more. Way back in Thriller Bark we saw them fight Oars together to emphasize they weren't ready for the new world. Now whenever they split up it shows how far they've come since the pre time skip, we don't need to see them fight together just cause some fans miss it.
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Skypeia and Trillerbark are top 5 arcs. Maybe thats partly because thats when i caught up with the anime, started the manga later and caught up in whole cake, but these are peak OP. Skypeia is the absolute peak adventure for the entire series and the is no chance to beat the adventure of it. Thriller Bark is one of the few arcs that wasn't 1v1 or 1 crew 1 crew. These are the arcs are are the free est from standard arcs. Peak op and so many are blind to them.
Korotos-san are you an OP anime only or a manga homie as well?
Moria is My favorite One piece character. KIIIIIIII SHIIIIII SHI SHI SHI SHI
Moria, Seto Kaiba, and Gentle Criminal from MHA both occupy this strange space in anime of "normal guy who doesn't realize they're not the main character." Like, they all do stuff that's very typical of MCs, they rush into stuff without a plan, they try to follow their dreams, and they all made the same dumb mistakes as the MCs. The only difference is the universe forgives the mc and punishes them. Moria doesn't get to stroll into Wano to fight an actual demon and leave stronger than ever. Gentle doesn't get rewarded for trying to intervene in a tragedy. Seto doesn't get to reap only the good parts of messing with ancient magic
overlooked? what does that even mean?
i'd guess others make a lot more sense to fit that title, foxy, and enel.
massive threats now considered joke characters. but look at crocodile, a character defeat by pre gear luffy and what he has accomplished since.
I never took Gecko seriously as a threat. Even Oars wasn't that threatening. Not compared to the other bad guys.
Wait this isn't Melontree :O Great video !
yessss i like the hole strawhat crew to fight to gettermore like thriller bark thats also that i like the alabsta fights like ussop and chopper fight together. also iff moria didnt put hate in lazynes but it in motivation he can become a yonko level i belief. btw i wanne be moria in crossguild and kick some ass.
when will there be another twd comic retrospective?
soon tm
I love that I can absolutely agree with you and still think that Thriller Bark is boring af except a few exceptions :D
damn run it back to 24:55 moria ... is luffy. maybe we will switchs sides knowing that the only thing that can cast him a longer shadow is light
I think the gecko will Is join cross guild and doffy too
Boa so beautiful even if she a opp they let her stay on the team 😂
Basically Obito
Hi
Hi
Moria is such an impactful character but fails as a villain in such a way that actually develop his character
Whether or not your an orichimaru fan or gekko moria let's me know if
your my type of person or not.
17:10 Technically, the next level over Sengoku is Kong, who has authority over the Marines, Cipher Pol and coincidentally, the Warlords. So the command to remove Moria likely came from him.