'Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes' Is Surprisingly Good
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Enough of the Planet of the Apes.
The first hour of just pure world building was absolute ape bliss
Would’ve enjoyed a bit more when we get to Proximus to flesh out his “kingdom” but yeah, it’s just a beautiful movie and I’m bummed my favorite characters in it probably won’t return.
But that’s what makes the Apes franchise (so far) different than its peers like Star Trek and Star Wars, it’s largely unexplored expanded universe and a lack of story wide main characters or families.
Also, it’s a series that is not afraid to be a downer in a proto-Game of Thrones way.
Amen! I loved the first hour of the movie, didn't care much for the next hour or so. And I did like the slow pacing. I only got bored when they got to Proximus' camp. That's where the plot took a wrong turn for me, it became very standard and predictable, compared to what could have been. More Proximus, more intersting plot, more meaningful storyline. The boss fight was really nicely done though.
@@ximono agreed I was super interested in proximus and the culture he was trying to create and wish we spent more time with him than with the standard human storyline
@@penndavis471 Proximus was a horrible tyrannical despot though, so I don't think I would want to see much more of the culture he was building. But as a character I think he was really interesting and could have made the story more original than it was.
I notice in the movie that the human man reads Roman literature to Proximus. Which may have lead him to act more like Juilus Ceaser and confuse him with the true Caeser and almost see them as the same
Nice! And wasn't Julius Caesar killed by multiple stab wounds just like Proximus died being pecked to death (kind of)
Interesting.
@@DidYounisMeOh, yeah! Man, this film continues to be more interesting than I first thought it would be.
It's probably going to lose to Dune Part 2 in the visuals oscar this year.
Yeah... Kinda sad we can just tell
@FlyingFocs why is it sad Dune 2 effects are stunning
as it should, Dune 2 visuals are standard-defining
It probably will but god did that final fight between Noa and Proximus look amazing
Denis does it to the Apes again
i’m so grateful this film was 2 hrs long, idc it’s rare to have a film focused on world building and taking its time. it’s been 7 yrs since the last one, i praise slow cinema and take its time
„slow cinema“
Most movies especially franchise movies are rarely less than 2 hours long nowadays but I get what you mean, the pacing and attention to plot detail was really refreshing compared to other films
Funny how less than 2 weeks later Furiosa came out which is also focused on world building and is over 2 hours long.
Damn, I hope no one ever hates me as much as you hated reading that ad
he looked so sad lmao
Why he would choose to partner with a proven scam company is crazy
Must've been the only company he could get to sponsor him or something lol
@@MattGOG666how is monopoly go a scam game 😂
@@MattGOG666paycheck, CCs need to support themselves as well and add revenue isn’t that much.
Genuinely thought Kevin Durant was the voice of Proximus Caesar for a minute
Same
Same.
So glad I wasn’t the only one
RIGHT
believed this for a while til I saw a screenshot from a press junket they did and thought: "Why's he white?"
Personally I think the pacing was perfect every moment and scene added to the story and none of it was a dumb joke or unnecessary reference to older movies.
Yep as someone who binged all the last movies before this one I was expecting them to reference the last few movies a lot. But im glad they do but very minimally since it’s been 300 years since Caesar which obviously his history happened awhile ago so not alot of people talk about him.
@@spoiledsalad1851 exactly I binged all of them too, well said
I felt like every scene was necessary and it didn’t lull you to sleep because it honestly went by fast. But I believe the lead up to meeting Proximus and his kingdom had you expecting so much. The kingdom seemed scattered and not put together at times. For apes to have been ruling that long and to now be enslaving and killing other apes, you’d think there would be more of a focus on the sheer size and strength of Proximus’ army. As well as a glimpse on how he ruled. It was also much too easy for Noa to successfully destroy what they had built imo.
@@damonhunter5215 I do wish they focused on the kingdom aspect. Maybe Proximus somehow survived. I think he would be a good villain even if he lived. Seeing an ape who’s twisting the words of Caesar is very interesting.
Honestly, I don't see where the complaints about the pacing come in. If anything, I was left wanting a little more time sitting in Proximus's kingdom, seeing some more of the details of the daily life like we got to see for the Eagle Clan. The world building was the main attraction here, and I was glad it has some time to sink in while you watched.
Yeah, whenever the plot was moving "slowly" I was just taking it all in and trying to piece together the lore in my head.
I was left wanting more . I thought the pacing was fine. I honestly just want to see more tribes and different kingdoms run by apes , different territories, i really enjoyed the film, and hope they can expand on Noas arch , I reckon somehow down the line they’ll say that Noa is a descendant of Ceaser.
@@heisenberg7069bro had the exact same scar
@@lewdleaf4975birthmark, but yes.
I just thought it was over all fine but not as good as it could have been.
Loved Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. I wanted more immediately after it ended. Also, I need more Raka.
Too bad bro came preached, died then his message kinda went nowhere
@@lewdleaf4975he ain’t dead it’s an obvious fake out
@@lewdleaf4975his death was a message in itself. He represented peace between apes and humans but without him noa and Mae are likely to become enemies
@hefoughtabear118 I know and that's what's frustrating. I thought the movie would take an alternate route and have Noa knowing the knowledge Raka told him to preach to his fellow apes under Proximus rule. However I do understand not rely to much on the past trilogy which I like from the film. It kinda can stand on its own
@@lewdleaf4975 end credits has him laughing so he lived
Slow??? Bro has been Marvelised.
i wouldnt say it was slow but imo it was a little too long
@@rickyrougs I guess its different for everyone, I thought the pacing was fine
Ikr this makes me not take him serious lol
aimless is more accurate
My only complaint: Proximus should have had more screen time
I actually disagree with you about the pace, I told my wife when we walked out of this movie last night was how it didn't feel like a 2.5 hour movie and there was never a moment where I was bored.
The ending was fantastic, too!
I agree! When my boyfriend and I went in to watch, we didn’t even realize that time flew by when we finished. Movie was very entertaining.
agreed didnt feel so slow to me very enjoyable to see some easter eggs too
In the first movie of the first trilogy, they included a kind of Easter egg where they show that the first manned space mission to Mars had taken off. This was before the outbreak of the virus, which opens up the potential for a return of the astronauts in future movies.
Which will be a perfect retelling of the original story...
@@yumallah exactly:)
I didn’t find it slow. Was having too many thoughts about ape future to find it slow. I found it comparable in pacing and world-building to an ancient-times epic, Kingdom of Heaven, Gladiator, LOTR
Agree, it did have a LOTR feel to it at times. Roadmovie worldbuilding.
“Glacial pace” is a gigantic overstatement. It moves phenomenally well. It’s slower than a normal blockbuster. But it gets from point to point easily
Yes, slow can be good. It's not _too_ slow, it's just taking its time.
@@ximono I'm curious how you felt about the pacing of The Batman? I still can't decide if its pacing was great or too slow.
@@ComedyBros5 Same 🙂
@@ComedyBros5 I'd say it's fine... until they catch the Riddler, then you start to feel it.
@@FlyingFocs Yes, I think that perfectly describes it. I see why that ending was done, but it also caused there to almost be 2 climaxes, and the final climax just felt out of left field (even though there were so many incredibly shots in it).
I liked how slow it was! It felt deliberate! It was refreshing! It makes you think about how apes together strong!
It really didnt feel slow to me. People just dont watch any arthouse movies
I have to say, the way the movie started was just ABSOLUTELY perfect to me, no spoilers but to me they could not have started in ANY better
Wes Ball seem to have a knack for building post apocalyptic world. The video game adaptation I see him doing well with is actually Horizon Zero Dawn, should that ever happen.
Bro THAT WOULD BE FIRRE
I believe Amazon already owns the film rights for Horizon, so is hypothetically possible
Horizon is basically the Zelda of Sony.
@@HBarnillExcept Zelda is actually good Horizon is a boring open world game without any real charm or substance
That makes a lot more sense than Zelda, ngl. I see Zelda as a mix of Miyazaki, Lord of the Rings, and 80s fantasy like Dark Crystal.
To be fair, I can't immediately think of anyone who could do that combo well
I wish it had more exposition to be honest.. I wanted Proximus fleshed out.
He was such a good character. Very surprised they seemed to have killed him off, but hopefully that means they have more and better things planned for the sequels.
@@vresnuil I hope someway he survived. I get the symbolism between eagles and Rome. And how poetic it was that he wanted to be immortal n yet. He dies imo in the most disney movie way
Yes I agree, maybe 15 or 20 minutes more about him and his kingdom. Still a great movie nonetheless.
@@lewdleaf4975I mean he dies in a nearly identical way to Koba
@@lewdleaf4975we see him falling into the water and i feel like it would be kind of bullshit to have him live falling off a massive cliff,
Saying this movie slow actually crazy lmfaoo
Right? I mean, the way he spoke about it, I thought it would be slower than it was. Bit too long, maybe, but not slow.
Right. Wtf does bro want. Does he even watch arthouse film?
I honestly though it started moving too fast by the time Proximus was introduced and I would have like to see some slice of life during that time
Monkey Monday is my new favourite thing
If Karsten hasn't seen it already he should watch the Simpsons parody of King Kong! The 'King Homer' segment in Treehouse of Horror III (season 4, episode 5)
Only like seven minutes long. It's pretty funny, from the golden age of The Simpsons
surprisingly? the last 3 apes movies have been terrific, most people should expect this movie to be good
this coming from the same guy who watches a “monkey movie” every weekend and has only watched like two actual movies w monkeys
I had my doubts cuz these past years movie have just started digging up big name series and giving them a sequel, but those new sequels just feel like a cashgrab with no soul.
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la última
Was so immersive that i didn't find it slow. Just more of this beautiful world.
The world building of this movie is so breath taking. The plot was decent, the characters are interesting enough. A truly great classical scifi trip.
I was so hooked up that when the movie end. I felt a little bit empty and wanted for more. Mostly for the lore and world building
I meant. The new Ceasar definetly deserved more screentimes. Like how he rised up at king, built his kingdom?
I saw so many little kids in the theater on their phones during this film and I was so happy to see it. It meant this is too slow for most people which is just perfect for me, I like world building a whole lot and this film just set up so much for the next films. I'm so excited!
I think they paced everything perfectly.
Folks also said Red Dead Redemption 2 sucked because it was slow, which is also why I liked it. People just don't have any ability to immerse themselves anymore.
This movie excels at sprinkling in questions to pique your interest, then gradually unraveling the answers in creative ways as the plot progresses. It makes for a surprisingly engaging watch. My only real complaint is that the story has a lot of "been there, done that" elements from other movies, and Proximus Caesar is criminally underutilized as an antagonist. The idea of an ape king twisting the words of Caesar to serve his own malicious desires is an incredible concept I wish was explored more. Overall though, I loved Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (it's not as good as Dawn or War, but it's at least on par with Rise)
saw it earlier today and its great, also the movie this is gonna get snubbed for is dune
Probably, but makes me sad. I enjoyed this movie way more. Don’t get me wrong, Dune was very well made, but I just didn’t find it nearly as fun or exciting.
I read the book in high school and i've always appreciated the story's place in science fiction, im glad these new movies are able to adapt it and expand on it well
It might lose the VFX Oscar to Dune 2
Pretty mid movie
Should
who cares id never watch a movie about drug adiccts hiding behind a conflict liek resource bring u money just what drug gangs think.
@@shaycormaic5365dune 2 is mid or Planet of the apes is mid?
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WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY 🗿
i been loving the modern planet of the ape movies and was worried about this one, very pleased to be hearing good things about them now I'm excited
What a wonderful Daayyy
Do you know the concept of E-vo-lution?
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My favorite quotes from Proximus.
The scene when Noah says “but the law is wrong” gave me chills
Dude the telescope scene didn’t have the right to be so beautiful. Like most of this reboot saga is full of dark, violent moments, but whenever it takes a moment to convey hope, triumph and connection between apes and even between apes and humans my heart just becomes full again.
I thought you said “Kevin Durant” was that Bad Ceaser monkey 😆
Really interesting you found this so slow, I thought it moved really fast, didn’t feel like 2 and 1/2 hours at all.
*SPOILER*
My only complaint was that Proximus didn’t get to flex his kingdom on someone. He should’ve stuck around for another 1-2 movies because he was amazing.
I just saw this and I actually thought the pacing was perfect. Had my attention the whole time and was really savoring being in that world.
This movie,Dune pt 2, the fall guy and even animated comic book movie's like Spiderverse and TMNT mutant mayham is why we still go to the movie theatre's.......And also when Disney actually allow thier creative teams to use CGI to it's full potential they can get all the praise they want, It's almost like Disney should let thier creative team's be creative because you got to spend money to make more money
I swear this man still hasn't reviewed War for the Planets of the Apes yet, where is it at
The pace matches Rise, which I know a lot of people say is their least favorite of the trilogy because it's slower in pace. It's creeping, crawling, slower about Caesar ... until it explodes at the end. The Simian flu and its impacts aren't introduced until the credits, and I think that's what makes it amazing. It is a perfect establishing film for the beginning of a great trilogy. You had to see how we got there and what Caesar went through and his vision. How he befriended and freed these apes. That's what I think Kingdom is doing. Slower to show you the new world we have entered. And then we will really pick up in the next two. That's what makes me so excited for this new trilogy. Seems to match the other one, pace wise.
I don’t agree, I think Rise was very fast paced and only has the bare essentials it needs; if anything it’s too fast paced. It has scenes that combine two or more events into one, like Caesar’s mother breaking into the conference room in the beginning at the exact moment when James Franco’s character is pitching the drug to the board, a ridiculous coincidence and obviously done to save time. And there are many more examples like that. You couldn’t cut/speed up Rise much more without having it feel too cartoony. With Kingdom you could have gotten rid of a lot of the eagle clan stuff, or killed off all the villagers except Noa, and it probably would have both shortened and improved the movie. With Rise I don’t think there’s anything you could have cut without hurting the film; if anythjng it needs more footage, like a scene where Caesar gives the drug to the zoo apes, which he must have done since they’re smart but they never show it.
Hey Karsten,
I humbly disagree with you. I think Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is unsurprisingly good.
Thank you.
I haven’t seen any of the other Planet of the Apes movies except for this one and now I’m fully prepared to binge them all, so good!
The best thing about this movie actually being good is that the director is supposed to work on a Zelda movie next, and it's reassuring.
...still think it being live-action isn't the best decision, though.
GREAT review bro. Simple yet detailed. And I agree with you haha. Well done👌
I’m gonna say something controversial. While this movie is fine I think the previous three utterly outshine it.
This movie was so average, nothing new, nothing interesting, just super safe. The fact that it came after a perfect trilogy makes it even worse. If you randomly pause in any scene from the previous three movies I guarantee you'll find something more interesting, compelling, creative and visually beautiful than anything in this one.
@@pietropietro5466i just watched the movie and i was genuinly bord in the middle of it, theres was so much stuff that wasnt fleshed out. I thought it was gonna go a competely different direction then what happened, the actual story couldve been way better then what we got.
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I’ve watched the trilogy reboot. While i thought dawn and war were masterpieces kingdom felt like one of the og pota movies. The trilogy is like roman literature and mythology. it shows how the society evolved to where apes were dominant and humans were diseased and became “echoes”. but kingdom did a great job of tying the trilogy to a world more like the og movie series. I hope the next movie continues this progress bc now that the human can communicate and the apes discovered the telescope i’d like to see what the next 50- few hundred years look like. Such an amazing series.
My one and only gripe with this movie is that we should’ve gotten more of Proximus. He’s in maybe a quarter of the movie and every scene he’s in is magnificent.
*SPOILERS*
I really hope he survived that fall at the end of the movie. I really want him to return in some way. I know it’s not likely but there’s always a chance. He was easily my favourite character, and dare I say might be a better villain than Koba had he been in more of the movie.
WHAT A WONDERFUL VIDEO
Just saw this movie and it was bad ass ! Lowkey my favorite in the franchise now something about it was fun a lil scary but inspiring the most
If you haven’t seen it yet you gotta see hundreds of beavers
0:37 lmaoo same bro i literally just got on youtube one day and saw a trailer for it and was like oh shittttt
Did Karsten ever talk about war for the planet of the apes??
He gave it 3 stars on Letterboxd
Surprisingly isn’t a word I would use to describe a follow up to one of the most underrated trilogies of all time.
I'm surprised people thought the pacing was slow. I was amazed at how well it was paced
It might be bc i was really really stoned but i really appreciated how they nailed details like spit? In the fight at the end I was totally floored by how it looked when Noa spat out blood
short ahh attention span THE FILM SHOULDA BEEN A HALF HOUR LONGER ACTUALLY
agreed. Needed more scenes with proximus
I can't wait to see it! I love the Matt Reeves ones, they are iconic. But this seems to keep the same vain of woven dreams. ❤
The philosophy is never ending and I always want more of this pondering and lore.
Of course its good. It has monkey
After this new one came out I binge watched the last 3 movies, they’re so entertaining
THANK YOU OMG I WAS HAVING ALL THESE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS FILM BUT YOU DESCRIBED EXACTLY HOW I FELT JESUS FUCK I FEEL SO SATISFIED RIGHT NOW.
I like Kingdom but I had two major problems:
1) The Main Human Character we follow, Mae, I think she felt underdeveloped to me for some reason. Like I get her motives and all but it felt like she needed more. Frank Gallagher, Trevathan, himself had a small role but he felt like a more interesting character than her
2: Proximus Caesar showed it in like the last 40 minutes of the movie and though he was a very menacing villain and ape character, he just didn’t get enough screen time for me to like him more than I did.
proximus was menacing i guess? but he was also pretty stupid in his actions, hes supposed to be smart but he acts like a moron for example at the end where he starts beating the shit out of noah which i can get but also his entire tribe is there like what did he think was going to happen
@@Spudster203 that and why did this mf not think about going AROUND the Bunker to get in?? Like wtf???
@@JYang0602 nahh bro i thought the exact same thing when they found the drainage or whatever, like its not that hidden there is is a literal like path on the cliff top to it, also we practically see nothing of the society hes created its all kind of brushed over
I saw it with some boys I help for work. They all loved it!
The trailer for this movie got me to watch the whole series. I thought this movie wasn't as good as the Andy Serkis trilogy but I definitely want to see more.
Going to see it today im so excited
I dont agree with many of your points but I do appreciate you making a video about it and I respect your opinions. much love
The part where Noa inspires the others to take down proximus, really screamed "Ape together strong"
I do not want this modern franchise to ever fall off or disappoint. But I know the more it continues, the more probable the fall off would be
Rn it’s growing
The voices were too human. The uncanny valley in the first 30 minutes is WILDLY jarring
I've learned over the years that you really enjoy / are fine with SLOW movies, so I was surprised to hear you had some issues with this pacing. I did feel it but not that much and I kinda liked the slowness in the beginnig (same reason as avatar kinda)
Mannn I loved the slow pace
it was very entertaining and fun to watch, the world building was so good and the introduction to new clans and characters.
to me, the story was straightforward, however I was unsatisfied with the pacing, it began well at first, but then rushed towards the end.
and how May’s character was written despite being a huge presence in the story. barely shared anything about her, and she was written so one-dimensionally, and then boom, the whole reveal about humans living in bunkers??
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I hope this movie does well cus the previous Apes trilogy really was one of the most underrated ever. Can't wait to gush in it soon.
If they ain't casting Andy Serkis or Paul Giamatti among the main monkey roles...I ain't interested 😂
“i miss my pals, i need to get back to the jungle” 😂😂
Noa is a good template for Link as far as a near-nonverbal protagonist goes.
the thumbnail is killing me, this movie coming out while you've got that challenge going is a godsend. Monkey premium
Just got out of the theater from seeing it. Definitely a solid movie, I hope they turn it into another trilogy
All I can say is why surprisingly good when the last 3 movies are all certified bangers?
I felt like every scene was necessary and it didn’t lull you to sleep because it honestly went by fast. But I believe the lead up to meeting Proximus and his kingdom had you expecting so much. The kingdom seemed scattered and not put together at times. For apes to have been ruling that long and to now be enslaving and killing other apes, you’d think there would be more of a focus on the sheer size and strength of Proximus’ army. As well as a glimpse on how he ruled. It was also much too easy for Noa to successfully destroy what they had built imo.
I legit had many of the same thoughts of you. I don't know if I trust whatever script the Zelda movie will have, but I trust Wes Ball with Hyrule.
“I need to get back to the jungle” hahaha how many takes did you need to do without laughing
I feel like im on crazy pills cus nobody agrees with me but I absolutely LOVED the first hour of world building and was kinda dissapointed once we got into stupid fast human drama again. Proximus felt wasted because suddenly rather than exploring this character and his kingdom he had to be the villain and die, it felt like checking off necessary narrative elements while the first part of the movie felt magical
Still pissed they killed off roka for a weak thematic reason
@@aidanchilton7899They didn't show either of their bodies so we can assume they'll return in the sequel, hopefully.
Now I'm wondering who's the next group of villains gonna be. If it humans with same motivation of taking over the planet then it'll be repetitive.
There's 10 movies. 5 of the ones on that list are edits of the 1974 tv series and 1 is a behind the scenes documentary.
Jane Goodall is getting giddy as we speak
If you liked Peter Macons performance you should check out The Orville. Season 1 is pretty rocky at times but it turns into a really interesting and serious sci fi show. And Peter Macon is a highlight.
They are always good. Love them.
I genuinely love the slow pacing of this film, I actually prefer if they stretched it more just for more Proximus Caesar
For your next monkey Monday, I recommend Every Which Way But Loose with Clint Eastwood if you haven’t already
at first, i thought this movie would be about cornelius, but no it is an entirely different character and takes place 300 years after war for the planet of the apes
Day 1 of asking Karsten for a Succession character tier list video
>I'm doing my ... challenge where I watch a monkey movie every ... day
So you're doing what Mumkey Jones has been doing for years?
Hey Karsten I feel obligated to inform you that the number one monkey movie guy is actually Matt Stewart and his 2nd Banana Evan Munroe-Smith with their podcast Prime Mates where they talk about monkeys and apes in popular culture from chimpan-A to chimpanzee
The thing with maeis she is suposed to be the second Protagonist. So it isnt just Noa but her too.
As a longtime planet of the apes fan, this movie was everything I wanted it to be and more. And that ending!