Hi John, I agree with most of your comments. I too am a Jaguar fan and would hate to see it disappear. If it goes up for sale, my sincere wish is that Honda purchase it. Honda can’t seem to gain entry into the luxury car market with Acura. Jaguar would help Honda in that regard and Honda’s engineering will help Jaguar. Another thing, Honda makes reliable vehicles that are loved and in demand by young enthusiasts. This would be great for Jaguar.
100% agree re Honda Joseph. I have particularly strong connections to Honda and admire their engineering and ethos. Also they unfortunately had to exit uk as a manufacturing base in recent years. Whilst some might shudder at the idea of a Japanese/British jaguar. I think it would be match made in heaven. The company has similar if shorter history in motorsport and notably in F1. They are arguably the world’s most prolific engine designers and manufacturers, and they love and respect their own heritage and back catalogue. Get me a coin, and direct me to a well!
The local Jaguar dealer here in Pasadena, CA just closed on 3/31/24. It had been open for decades. Sister dealerships selling Mercedes, Porsche and even Volvo are still open-the dealer abandoned Jag only. Clear sign it’s on its way out. I’m so sad.
It's a shame, really ... but at the same time I'm not (yet) looking forward to a future with electric Jaguars. I have my small Jag collection together and will continue to enjoy it.
Unfortunatley jaguar has no future unless they seriously reconsider going all electric.i have had more than 20 jaguars over the last 25 years.i still have 2.i love the brand but i would never even consider a ev.its all about the mechanicals,the sound and the feel of cars like jags.theyre nothing without that and electric vehicles are just souless white goods.such a shame when you look at the history and the cars they have produced.sad times indeed.
I agree, the future of Jaguar is on the way out. Either Tata will try and sell the company or it will go under. Just read today in Jaguar World that production of any future Jaguars will cease in June 2024 and only panels for the new electric Jaguar will be produced. So where are they going to put them together? Austria? I am really disappointed with the current management at Jaguar, they obviously don’t understand Jaguar drivers at all!
Hi John, Phil here😂 I am both a petrol head with an eye to the future, in that I have a lovely XK8 (through your encouragement on this channel) and - shock horror - I have run an Ipace for two years now so I feel qualified to disagree with your analysis so far. Yes we can relive past love affairs and nostalgia by owning a classic Jaguar, but not necessarily for eco reasons , I love the Ipace for all it stands for. The words grace, pace, space still apply, but in a package that is more affordable to run in every respect (fuel, servicing, ULEZ, ) to the average man in the street. I agree for a car ( Ipace) that was designed by Ian Callum’s team , it does not initially jump out at you, but as you live with it, you realise it has more Jaguar lines than you gave it credit for - the haunches, the subtle look of power, the interiors. On charging,I agree EVs are not suitable for every situation, but for the traditional Jaguar driver, who uses his car less than the average (retirees , people who don’t need to plough up the motorway every day) the Ipace is fine with a 250 mile range. 98% of the time I charge the car at cheap rates (7p per kWh ) and in 2 years have charged at public stations about 4 times. Once was down to Le Mans Classic and back and although it is said France is ahead of us for charge points, that is not my current experience. I can think of at least 7 charging stations within 5 miles of my house and rising. However, you are missing a very important point in your analysis - I have found it so enlightening to pass petrol stations every day and simply plug my Ipace into the Zappi at night , and by the morning 35 kWh s have been added (1/3 tank) for £2.10 ! I also disagree with your analysis that the interior of the Ipace is not ‘Jaguarish’ Just ask my wife her opinion , she loves it compared to her Kia . Finally, this business of Jaguars future. Jaguar will survive on its past reputation as a pillar of the British motoring scene , even in EV form . If they do what the rumourmongers say and produce a 100k car as the cheapest Jag, then the Ipace will be a comparative bargain at the current prices with only 50,000 approx to date . I belong to the Jaguar Enthusiasts Club and support for the Ipace is very strong particularly with younger owners who love the power and sure footedness of the Ipace over any car they have previously owned Best wishes to your channel, I follow it avidly, but please let’s not become dinosaurs and look forward to the next seismic shift in the car world👍 Phil
great insight Phil. really nice to hear from someone with an Ipace, and give a perspective that so few of us have. I concede that if you can charge at home 90% of the time then you can make battery powered cars work for you. And the next jags to be launched inevitably WILL be powered that way. I hope they are beautiful attainable and do well in the market. Indeed, I am still excited and intrigued to see what they reveal. However Im pretty sure I will have to wait for the 2nd new fleet (2030?) before i can even hope for a hydrogen or synthetic petrol hybrid to give me my next 'XK8 moment' Your comment is thought provokingl and inciteful Phil. I will raise a glass of rum to you later👍🍺
John you absolutely nailed it. I agree with everything you said. This should be shared with every Jaguar owner, enthusiast, or dreamer and petrol heads of all types. Thank you for this.
John you summed it all up beautifully. The whole point of a sports car is the noise it makes when you turn the key and physically feel the engine coming to life. Jaguar are making a big mistake in my view and the last F types in particular will be great investments for their owners. We are being conned by governments looking for a quick fix to meet unrealistic decarbonisation targets, which are meaningless anyway. Just like diesel cars. Do they understand how much more mining will be required to get enough of the minerals out of the ground to produce all the batteries needed to fulfil their misguided policy aims?
Hi John, I almost shed a tear during your video. How right you are about the philosophy of Jaguar over the years. The current Jaguar management would do well to to watch this video and perhaps reflect on their lack of vision. As you prophecise, characterless E V s are not the future. Hydrogen ICE s in my opinion are. We should be ploughing money into all aspects of the concept. Most of the infrastructure and skills, with little modifications, already exist. Let's get cracking on the generation of hydrogen so we can all look forward to the Jags of the future.
I love my XK8 and live in Michigan so its mixed roots are appealing to me. But the declining ability to borrow from those British roots will make it harder for me to desire a British made car with no immediate British heritage. In short it would be a blessing to see some English innovators pick up the torch and make Jaguar exclusively British again.
I live within spitting distance of the Tesla plant and there are just so many on Silicon Valley roads and in my neighborhood that they just look so last year. Boring. My XK8 is still the sexiest looking car around. Those curves.
A very considered analysis. We can only hope Jaguar has people on charge who have a vision for the future that draws on its rich heritage. Totally agree that we own the most beautiful cars on the road.
Thanks Stephen. Maybe someone at Jag, Tata,or ???? should gather some longterm jag fans and young car enthusiasts and ask (within the realms of current legislation and with the need for businesses to make money) what do real people want and hope for from Jag 2030
@@stephendavies6949 What they want is simple a Jaguar that’s as high quality in leather upholstery as it is in the wood for the door trims to the dashboard to what beats under the bonnet. They need to engineer it from the ground up and not to make do with other manufacturers ideas from the oh that’ll do parts bin. As to whoever could do that from scratch would be on to a winner, and easily allow the big cat to return to where it belongs.
Hi , John...what a brilliant analysis. I agree with you completely. I know that it is a total anachronism to drive with this 8cylinder petrol engine. But I have some private reasons to do it anyway. Unfortunately, I am a big lover of all things British way of live. I love the way of life, I like the people. (I was in London) . I have English furniture at home. I have an English car. And so it is good for the rest of my life. My real Problem Is.....I don't drink tea.😮 I send you my warmest greetings. Udo the old German 😅😅
I'm just hoping XK8 values don't climb too much in the next 5-10 years before I can buy one. They're certainly attainable here in Canada, so hopefully that doesn't change.
for 5 years I think you are reasonably safe (although the prices are rising) But in 10 years I think they will be getting hard to find at reasonable prices
I agree fully with your reflections regarding Jaguar’s past, present and future, and your thoughts on EVs. I also hope the very best for Jaguar, but I fear they soon will be in a ‘to be or not to be’ situation, like SAAB were some years ago.
Having just bought my fourth jaguar, I must say that unless they reverse this stupid idea of going all electric they are certainly doomed as a brand. I love my jaguars but would never consider an ev, jaguar or otherwise. The utter fool who decided this was a good idea needs to read the audience and then get sacked with immediate effect... 😢
@@ToTheGarage Hi John, unfortunately not. Its Euro 3 engine makes it non compliant. I even got in touch with TFL but they said no, ironically the last 3 letters of the registration are TFL which i thought might help! I got in touch with Jaguar in an attempt to obtain a non conformity form but they confirmed the car is not eligible. So i will clean and polish and admire in the summer until one day we move. I just had a thought, i went to the Jaguar Heritage Museum last week and they don’t have any XK8s, maybe they fancy housing it for a while 🤔
When i worked for a very influencial automotive group. we got one of the first MG6's in the country. I remember myself and my colleagues all testing it and though nobody was gushing or emotional about it, we all knew a new era had begun. Our boss at the time summed it up in a meeting later that week. The MG is worryingly competent for the money.
Hi John. Very interesting video. I think Jaguar really need another GT car. And yes, It can be electric! Needs to stand out from all the 'crossovers ' It just needs to be as reliable as our Xk8 's. After it's winter hibernation I taxed mine on 1st April and so like to do a few little short runs to get it back in the groove. So me and my boy set off on a road trip that very day to drive from ness point, Lowestoft to Lands End, Cornwall and see if we could do it on one tank! We actually failed 12 miles before Lands End but averaged a very respectable 28.4 mpg indicated. In total, from setting off from home to ness point, Lands End and then back up to that nights hotel in Honiton we did 610 miles that day and the car didn't miss a beat. With a couple of other stops on the way home (Haynes motor museum for me and Legoland for the boy) we covered 900 miles in three days. Looking forward to the next one 👍
I agree with everything you say John. I have owned Jags for 30 years and will never have an electric one and as you say Battery powered cars is not the future. I think Hydrogen will be the main stream. I have a V8 XK and a 2.2 Diesel XF. they will do for me.
Jaguar interiors always need to be stunning, lots of leather and wood. The interior of the last XJ's where really nice, that nice wood wrapping all the way around was cool. It's going to go electric but that doesn't interest me all that much, why would you want an electric motor when you can have a sueprcharged V8? I really think the best Jaguar on the market at the moment is the Lexus LC500.
I don't usually do YT comments but I can't help it here; the LC500 has been my favorite new car on the market since it came out, and it certainly does follow a very Jaguar recipe--a delicious one. When nice used ones can be had for 50K or so, I think there'll be a strong demand.
@@phillipfrankreid You already can pick them p for that much. I just hope they hit the £10k mark within the next 10 years because that's really all I am willing to spend on a car these days. Maybe £15k.
Good to know. I definitely hope to pick up my Jaguar for around 15. It seems to me one should be able to get a nice one for that if you shop smartly.@@Punisher9419
Unfortunately our chosen marque has a history of making beautiful cars but terrible decisions. Why no new XJ? I spend a lot of time in London and all I see is 3 ,5,7series bmw’s. Merc c,e,s classes. I don’t buy the excuses that everyone wants SUV’s, and I have absolutely no desire to go down the overpriced electric route. Check out their second hand prices, the depreciation is phenomenal. I think the decision to go all electric will be the death knell for jaguar. So very sad.
JLR were a client of mine for many years prior me retiring in 2020. In my opinion the writing has been on the wall for some time as it was obvious that JLR were concentrating R & D and investment in the Land Rover/ Range Rover brand. The last quarter 2023 production numbers I think illustrate the issue with 95,000 Range Rover & Land Rover produced against 13,500 Jaguars. I think the Jaguar brand will be sold and we can only hope that however does buy it appreciates the DNA and history of the brand.
Thanks. Its the best super summary i have yet come up with to define Jaguarness. ie not an out and out racing machine, not a pure luxury Barge, and with more tradition and heritage than the average car
Hi John, I was thinking the future was going to be Hydrogen, but I’m now seeing Synthetic Fuel…. Running on normal petrol engines with no modifications could be the future - let’s hope so….. long live the petrol Jags of all kinds…..
The Nazis developed synthetic gasoline during WWII when they couldn't get the real thing. But we will be able to get the real thing for another 100 years, leaving plenty of time to develop alternatives. Last May I bought a '16 F-Type 3.0 S 6mt coupe, then in February bought an '06 XJ8 VDP LWB 4.2. I have zero interest in electric cars, at 77 I won't have to buy one. Between those two Jaguars and my '16 Mazda MX-5/Miata I should be set for my foreseeable future. There might be something like a Caterham 7 down the road, it's a possibility.
John, you're spot on. Just read this in a new Autocar group test of the last 3 front engined, RWD V8 sportscars for sale in the UK. Sums it up nicely. 'A V8 engine in the front of a useable, affordable, powerful sports car just makes good sense when you think about it. Yes, they burn hydrocarbons - quite a lot of hydrocarbons, obviously, and must therefore be wiped from the face of the planet as quickly as possible, according to good old public opinion. But if we're mature enough to acknowledge that such a problem actually concerns not what they are but what they burn and that there are ways to make clean, sustainable fuel for them, just as you can generate sustainable energy for an EV (although not every EV runs on it), we might just make room to observe what makes them great. '
Hi John. I believe that the 11th hour decision to can the XJ replacement was the final (inexplicable) nail in the coffin. Very recent decisions by companies such as Kia to slow down EV production and to increase the balance in the favour of hybrid vehicles is quite telling and shows the folly of 'betting the farm' on one form of propulsion for an established manufacturer such as Jaguar. BTW, totally agree with your observations about the lack of green credentials of BEVs and the unviability of them for many of us. You're right about hydrogen as the solution, but legislators have sent us down the current, uninformed route to electrical propulsion. I have very little confidence in the future of Jaguar as a traditional motor manufacturer and the last decade of under development in the wider product range will sadly continue the further decline of this once great marque. I liked the XF and subsequently the XE. Both are great cars but the overlap in appearance between the two ranges does either car no favours. I found the iPace left me cold and lacks any Jaguar-ness. Where's the heritage? As for the SUVs, i can see the marketing and accountants view that the company had to have them to compete, but are they Jaguars? Personally, I don't think so. As for the perceived 'quality' as a characteristic of Jaguar, I'm not sure that's genuinely a feature of Jag's history. Whilst the leather and walnut of earlier cars was out there for the cost of the cars, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have always had a well-earned reputation of deeply ingrained and engineered quality but without the gloss of the veneers and leather seat facings. All those of us with modern classic Jags can only rejoice in the fact that we've got vehicles of real quality and style.
Wonderful and philosophical response Gerard. This video is giving me a lot of joy as I really enjoy this type of discussion and debate. On the 'percieved' quality I think we actually agree. its just a difference in Language. Toyota have the best QUALITY of build, as their components are all exactly as intended, positioned and assembled as they should be through solid design, production engineering and adherensce to standards at all levels. BMW and Mercedes are also Very good at these. Jag has always had superb and inovative design asthetically and at engineered component and assembly level. But the final fit and finish is usually achieved with more use of adjustment and fettling Than either of the above. HENCE the perception of wonderful build quality via hand fettling to accomodate variation, And then capping it off with world class wood, leather, aluminium and (following huge amounts of end of line hand refinishing) world class paint. I also like your phrase 'for the cost'. I think where they had success, its generally been where buyers have recognised how much more they would have to pay to get equivalence. The Aston DB7 should have at least matched the Very similar XK8's sales at launch due to the brand, and the manual gearbox. but whilst the Jag was not cheap but attainable, The Aston was significantly more expensive. We affacianardos of course now recognise the Jag as the all-round better car anyway 😁 John👍🍺
Hi John I really enjoyed this video and your thoughts on the future of Jaguar I love my 1995 XJS Convertible with the straight 6 4.0Litre engine AJ6 in mine, I always loved Jags when I was 17 my uncle Billy who sold cars out of London for individual customers he bought a Mk 10 to Nottingham to sell to this man who never turned up I saw that car and fell in love with it. Uncle Billy was very reluctant to sell it to me but three weeks later it was mine he let me have it for 600 pounds it cost me double to insure it this was 1972 it was a 1966 model anyway I kept it drove all the time until 1974 the cost of petrol was just to much for me so I sold her and I regretted selling as he drove away anyway that's my Jag story take care John best regards as always Andy Allen.
Next year Jaguar as we now know it, will no longer be the same company. Managemnt has decided to drop the Jaguar name and all gas driven engines in favor of EV's. The new company will be called JLR. On that basis, we should see older cars appreciate in value as collector items.
Leveraging Jaguar's back catalogue of successful and popular designs coupled with latest electric / battery or Hydrogen technology would be an outstanding marketing ploy. Imagine, Electric E-Types and D-Types, Hydrogen XK8's and XJ13's..... It would perhaps prove limited in volume demand and maybe not lasting, but it would completely restore the 'Jaguarness' brand and desireability.
Tara don’t understand the brand and the Chinese probably won’t. Electric will kill Jaguar and any other brand that goes all electric. The new brands will carry on but as you say the future is changing and petrol will disappear as a normal fuel. I’d like to see more done with hydrogen, we will see. I believe the driving experience is going to change radically before too much longer and cars will become toasters.
Their more modern ranges are nice..... But a proper jag hasn't been built in years. For me the newer ones just don't have the iconic appeal. I guess we all have to move with the times but I for one will always be a bigger fan of the classics. Give the choice between a xk and a f type I'd go for the xk every time.
EV's are the future 😂😂😂. I for one can't wait to see all the claims from people tripping up over extension leads across paths for houses without off road parking and not forgetting the beauty of hundreds of joined together extension leads from high rise flats. I don't think the UK is alone in not having the infrastructure to cope with the entire driving community charging their cars. Fortunately, my XK8 is very environmentally friendly, I can only afford enough petrol for a couple of miles use a day 😂😂😂
Hi John, Hmm, such a lot to ponder. I totally agree with all that you expressed, particularly the great EV con adopted by naive inner-city millennials. My first experience with a Jaaag, (as Clarkson would say, but, did you see his face light up when he drove an XK8 out of the factory?), was driving from Salalah to Muscat way back when in an XJ6. Quite a hike and the road was less than ideal but we both arrived in good order. With both Lotus, Volvo & MG "orientalised" it may be an attractive idea, but, that is what Ford thought with PAG. On the other hand Honda is not a bad idea from joseph as it may be more in tune with tradition than its Chinese competitors, and, they were/will be involved with F1. Could break it out of the old fogeys image of a chariot to take them very slowly to the bowls club?? A most thought provoking way to spend half an hour, Thanks John. Don't work too hard. PS what is an ULEZ zone, something like the Twilight Zone peut etre ???
Jaguar’ is going nowhere now or in the future because, and I’m not being sarcastic Jaguar as a true brand based on its own merits died in the late sixties or beginning of the 70s. They are part of motoring history but that is where they will stay.
I see a short-term tough time ahead for EVs. Values will decline, there will likely be a price war. Longer-term, EVs will become less expensive than ICE vehicles. Except for Tesla, the US auto industry may not survive. Tesla will introduce inexpensive Robotaxis in a few years. Some people may own one to get to and from work, then rent the vehicle out during the rest of the day for errands etc. Furthermore, companies like Lyft and Uber may create fleets of Robotaxis to ferry people to and from work. You may not need to own a car anymore. Tesla will license FSD to other car makers. 10 minute 200 mile charging is already feasible. Do you really want to drive 600 miles without a break? Lithium ion batteries are getting more efficient but will likely be replaced by one of the many alternatives being developed. Charging is a problem, speeds will improve as will generation with solar, wind and hopefully SMRs. Off street parking with overnight charging for cities might be an option. The Chinese will likely succeed with their models. Like Japan, their products will be crap until they're not. I have owned 7 Jags including 2 xk8s and an x-type currently. They are great cars. Most of them will become collector items. I do not find the new models all that interesting. EVs are good luxury and utility vehicles. For fun, a sporty EV could easily and inexpensively be modified to make an interesting sound. I don't see a future for hydrogen.
Jaguar's future is ZERO if they follow through with the ridiculous plan of going all electric, Electric is NOT the future, it was tried in the past and failed and it WILL fail again, fortunately I will not be here to see Jaguar's full demise.
I think a Chinese shift would simply use the name to con people, just like the MG brand. Mediocre cars, poorly built, no class...but it's a Jaaggg! Shudder!
There is no future for Jaguar if they stay with this ridiculous edict to just produce electric vehicles, should Jaguar be bought by a Chinese company I will no longer support Jaguar and will seriously consider having to remove my tattoo, China is the worst country 😮. The current range and has been for a long time there’s no different to other other jelly mold cars the only saving grace is the F type as for the rest of the model range it doesn’t stand out and I couldn’t tell it unless I look at the badge. Like you I have always said IF there must be a different fuel type it is hydrogen.
Sorry but there is absolutley nothing of jaguar dna in the i pace,absolutley zilch,zero,as characterfull as a toaster.the only jaguar thing about it is pace.will agree that the interior is better than the likes of tesla but a jaguar interior it most definatley aint.
Battery electric vehicles are the future. All the disadvantages you mention are either imaginary (need for expensive battery replacement) or temporary (lack of infrastructure.) My daily driver is a 10 year old all-electric BMW. I charge it at home overnight when there is no strain on the power grid, and my solar panels give back the electricity to the grid the next day. It performs like new, and its battery was designed to last at least 20 years. And thanks to the BMW, my Jag XKR doesn't have to go to work or the grocery store... it can exclusively do the kind of long, fun drives that it is best at. There will be no "next thing." Just the perfection of BEVs and the growth of a proper infrastructure to support them for most drivers. Jaguar needs to be in on that before too long, or it will cease to exist.
We’ll said, the sooner we face reality and get our heads out of the sand the better. I still get comments on my XK8 from most people ‘ oh it’s only a Ford’ , but those with an XK know better😎
Hi John, I agree with most of your comments. I too am a Jaguar fan and would hate to see it disappear. If it goes up for sale, my sincere wish is that Honda purchase it. Honda can’t seem to gain entry into the luxury car market with Acura. Jaguar would help Honda in that regard and Honda’s engineering will help Jaguar. Another thing, Honda makes reliable vehicles that are loved and in demand by young enthusiasts. This would be great for Jaguar.
100% agree re Honda Joseph. I have particularly strong connections to Honda and admire their engineering and ethos. Also they unfortunately had to exit uk as a manufacturing base in recent years. Whilst some might shudder at the idea of a Japanese/British jaguar. I think it would be match made in heaven.
The company has similar if shorter history in motorsport and notably in F1. They are arguably the world’s most prolific engine designers and manufacturers, and they love and respect their own heritage and back catalogue.
Get me a coin, and direct me to a well!
The local Jaguar dealer here in Pasadena, CA just closed on 3/31/24. It had been open for decades. Sister dealerships selling Mercedes, Porsche and even Volvo are still open-the dealer abandoned Jag only. Clear sign it’s on its way out. I’m so sad.
How sad to see Jaguar being so poorly managed.
Thanks John
Thanks for taking the time to comment william
It's a shame, really ... but at the same time I'm not (yet) looking forward to a future with electric Jaguars. I have my small Jag collection together and will continue to enjoy it.
If they go electric, they are finished.
XType ... 😂😂😂😂 No no no never.
Unfortunatley jaguar has no future unless they seriously reconsider going all electric.i have had more than 20 jaguars over the last 25 years.i still have 2.i love the brand but i would never even consider a ev.its all about the mechanicals,the sound and the feel of cars like jags.theyre nothing without that and electric vehicles are just souless white goods.such a shame when you look at the history and the cars they have produced.sad times indeed.
Yes, EV's are a dead-end road. And downright dangerous.
I agree, the future of Jaguar is on the way out. Either Tata will try and sell the company or it will go under. Just read today in Jaguar World that production of any future Jaguars will cease in June 2024 and only panels for the new electric Jaguar will be produced. So where are they going to put them together? Austria? I am really disappointed with the current management at Jaguar, they obviously don’t understand Jaguar drivers at all!
Hi John, Phil here😂 I am both a petrol head with an eye to the future, in that I have a lovely XK8 (through your encouragement on this channel) and - shock horror - I have run an Ipace for two years now so I feel qualified to disagree with your analysis so far. Yes we can relive past love affairs and nostalgia by owning a classic Jaguar, but not necessarily for eco reasons , I love the Ipace for all it stands for. The words grace, pace, space still apply, but in a package that is more affordable to run in every respect (fuel, servicing, ULEZ, ) to the average man in the street. I agree for a car ( Ipace) that was designed by Ian Callum’s team , it does not initially jump out at you, but as you live with it, you realise it has more Jaguar lines than you gave it credit for - the haunches, the subtle look of power, the interiors. On charging,I agree EVs are not suitable for every situation, but for the traditional Jaguar driver, who uses his car less than the average (retirees , people who don’t need to plough up the motorway every day) the Ipace is fine with a 250 mile range. 98% of the time I charge the car at cheap rates (7p per kWh ) and in 2 years have charged at public stations about 4 times. Once was down to Le Mans Classic and back and although it is said France is ahead of us for charge points, that is not my current experience. I can think of at least 7 charging stations within 5 miles of my house and rising.
However, you are missing a very important point in your analysis - I have found it so enlightening to pass petrol stations every day and simply plug my Ipace into the Zappi at night , and by the morning 35 kWh s have been added (1/3 tank) for £2.10 !
I also disagree with your analysis that the interior of the Ipace is not ‘Jaguarish’ Just ask my wife her opinion , she loves it compared to her Kia .
Finally, this business of Jaguars future. Jaguar will survive on its past reputation as a pillar of the British motoring scene , even in EV form . If they do what the rumourmongers say and produce a 100k car as the cheapest Jag, then the Ipace will be a comparative bargain at the current prices with only 50,000 approx to date . I belong to the Jaguar Enthusiasts Club and support for the Ipace is very strong particularly with younger owners who love the power and sure footedness of the Ipace over any car they have previously owned
Best wishes to your channel, I follow it avidly, but please let’s not become dinosaurs and look forward to the next seismic shift in the car world👍 Phil
great insight Phil. really nice to hear from someone with an Ipace, and give a perspective that so few of us have. I concede that if you can charge at home 90% of the time then you can make battery powered cars work for you. And the next jags to be launched inevitably WILL be powered that way. I hope they are beautiful attainable and do well in the market. Indeed, I am still excited and intrigued to see what they reveal. However Im pretty sure I will have to wait for the 2nd new fleet (2030?) before i can even hope for a hydrogen or synthetic petrol hybrid to give me my next 'XK8 moment'
Your comment is thought provokingl and inciteful Phil. I will raise a glass of rum to you later👍🍺
Thanks John, I highly respect your channel and opinions👍
John you absolutely nailed it. I agree with everything you said. This should be shared with every Jaguar owner, enthusiast, or dreamer and petrol heads of all types. Thank you for this.
John you summed it all up beautifully. The whole point of a sports car is the noise it makes when you turn the key and physically feel the engine coming to life. Jaguar are making a big mistake in my view and the last F types in particular will be great investments for their owners. We are being conned by governments looking for a quick fix to meet unrealistic decarbonisation targets, which are meaningless anyway. Just like diesel cars. Do they understand how much more mining will be required to get enough of the minerals out of the ground to produce all the batteries needed to fulfil their misguided policy aims?
Hi John, I almost shed a tear during your video. How right you are about the philosophy of Jaguar over the years. The current Jaguar management would do well to to watch this video and perhaps reflect on their lack of vision. As you prophecise, characterless E V s are not the future. Hydrogen ICE s in my opinion are. We should be ploughing money into all aspects of the concept. Most of the infrastructure and skills, with little modifications, already exist. Let's get cracking on the generation of hydrogen so we can all look forward to the Jags of the future.
I love my XK8 and live in Michigan so its mixed roots are appealing to me. But the declining ability to borrow from those British roots will make it harder for me to desire a British made car with no immediate British heritage. In short it would be a blessing to see some English innovators pick up the torch and make Jaguar exclusively British again.
I live within spitting distance of the Tesla plant and there are just so many on Silicon Valley roads and in my neighborhood that they just look so last year. Boring. My XK8 is still the sexiest looking car around. Those curves.
Jaguar is a disease for which there used to be no cure...that is until they gave us jeeps and EVs! I have enjoyed 5 Jags over the years.
A very considered analysis. We can only hope Jaguar has people on charge who have a vision for the future that draws on its rich heritage.
Totally agree that we own the most beautiful cars on the road.
Thanks Stephen. Maybe someone at Jag, Tata,or ???? should gather some longterm jag fans and young car enthusiasts and ask (within the realms of current legislation and with the need for businesses to make money) what do real people want and hope for from Jag 2030
@@ToTheGarage Great idea, John
@@stephendavies6949 What they want is simple a Jaguar that’s as high quality in leather upholstery as it is in the wood for the door trims to the dashboard to what beats under the bonnet. They need to engineer it from the ground up and not to make do with other manufacturers ideas from the oh that’ll do parts bin. As to whoever could do that from scratch would be on to a winner, and easily allow the big cat to return to where it belongs.
Hi , John...what a brilliant analysis. I agree with you completely. I know that it is a total anachronism to drive with this 8cylinder petrol engine. But I have some private reasons to do it anyway. Unfortunately, I am a big lover of all things British way of live. I love the way of life, I like the people. (I was in London) . I have English furniture at home. I have an English car. And so it is good for the rest of my life. My real Problem Is.....I don't drink tea.😮 I send you my warmest greetings. Udo the old German 😅😅
I'm just hoping XK8 values don't climb too much in the next 5-10 years before I can buy one. They're certainly attainable here in Canada, so hopefully that doesn't change.
for 5 years I think you are reasonably safe (although the prices are rising) But in 10 years I think they will be getting hard to find at reasonable prices
JLR executives should consult people like you who love Jaguar and know its uniqueness.
Yes please👍
I agree fully with your reflections regarding Jaguar’s past, present and future, and your thoughts on EVs. I also hope the very best for Jaguar, but I fear they soon will be in a ‘to be or not to be’ situation, like SAAB were some years ago.
I think SAAB is an interesting parallel👍
Having just bought my fourth jaguar, I must say that unless they reverse this stupid idea of going all electric they are certainly doomed as a brand.
I love my jaguars but would never consider an ev, jaguar or otherwise.
The utter fool who decided this was a good idea needs to read the audience and then get sacked with immediate effect... 😢
Thierry Bolloré, he’s gone already. Appointed in 2019, resigned in 2022.
I live in the ULEZ zone so my 1996 P Reg XK8 has become a museum piece sitting in the garage. so sad!!
Sorry to hear that Rob. Is it not exempt due to age?
@@ToTheGarage Hi John, unfortunately not. Its Euro 3 engine makes it non compliant. I even got in touch with TFL but they said no, ironically the last 3 letters of the registration are TFL which i thought might help! I got in touch with Jaguar in an attempt to obtain a non conformity form but they confirmed the car is not eligible. So i will clean and polish and admire in the summer until one day we move. I just had a thought, i went to the Jaguar Heritage Museum last week and they don’t have any XK8s, maybe they fancy housing it for a while 🤔
MG another British Marque has been revived and kept alive by a Chinese manufacturer. So far so good. Their MG4 is a good EV appreciated by many.
When i worked for a very influencial automotive group. we got one of the first MG6's in the country. I remember myself and my colleagues all testing it and though nobody was gushing or emotional about it, we all knew a new era had begun. Our boss at the time summed it up in a meeting later that week.
The MG is worryingly competent for the money.
Hi John. Very interesting video. I think Jaguar really need another GT car. And yes, It can be electric! Needs to stand out from all the 'crossovers ' It just needs to be as reliable as our Xk8 's. After it's winter hibernation I taxed mine on 1st April and so like to do a few little short runs to get it back in the groove. So me and my boy set off on a road trip that very day to drive from ness point, Lowestoft to Lands End, Cornwall and see if we could do it on one tank! We actually failed 12 miles before Lands End but averaged a very respectable 28.4 mpg indicated. In total, from setting off from home to ness point, Lands End and then back up to that nights hotel in Honiton we did 610 miles that day and the car didn't miss a beat. With a couple of other stops on the way home (Haynes motor museum for me and Legoland for the boy) we covered 900 miles in three days. Looking forward to the next one 👍
100% agree. If there isnt an executive express for the week and a GT for the weekend. Then Jag will have lost its Jaaaaaag
Apparently a 4 seater electric Jaaag is in the offing - watch this space! 4 seater GT that is.
I agree with everything you say John. I have owned Jags for 30 years and will never have an electric one and as you say Battery powered cars is not the future. I think Hydrogen will be the main stream. I have a V8 XK and a 2.2 Diesel XF. they will do for me.
I think they are in a very difficult position
Thanks love your videos
Thanks for watching!
Jaguar interiors always need to be stunning, lots of leather and wood. The interior of the last XJ's where really nice, that nice wood wrapping all the way around was cool. It's going to go electric but that doesn't interest me all that much, why would you want an electric motor when you can have a sueprcharged V8? I really think the best Jaguar on the market at the moment is the Lexus LC500.
I don't usually do YT comments but I can't help it here; the LC500 has been my favorite new car on the market since it came out, and it certainly does follow a very Jaguar recipe--a delicious one. When nice used ones can be had for 50K or so, I think there'll be a strong demand.
@@phillipfrankreid You already can pick them p for that much. I just hope they hit the £10k mark within the next 10 years because that's really all I am willing to spend on a car these days. Maybe £15k.
Good to know. I definitely hope to pick up my Jaguar for around 15. It seems to me one should be able to get a nice one for that if you shop smartly.@@Punisher9419
Unfortunately our chosen marque has a history of making beautiful cars but terrible decisions. Why no new XJ? I spend a lot of time in London and all I see is 3 ,5,7series bmw’s. Merc c,e,s classes. I don’t buy the excuses that everyone wants SUV’s, and I have absolutely no desire to go down the overpriced electric route. Check out their second hand prices, the depreciation is phenomenal. I think the decision to go all electric will be the death knell for jaguar. So very sad.
JLR were a client of mine for many years prior me retiring in 2020. In my opinion the writing has been on the wall for some time as it was obvious that JLR were concentrating R & D and investment in the Land Rover/ Range Rover brand. The last quarter 2023 production numbers I think illustrate the issue with 95,000 Range Rover & Land Rover produced against 13,500 Jaguars.
I think the Jaguar brand will be sold and we can only hope that however does buy it appreciates the DNA and history of the brand.
well said David
Hi John, I agree with your views 100% on electric vehicles. Not the future for the reasons that you stated. Thanks for the video.
Loved the analogy of Jaguar…. ‘A sporting carriage’. Such an interesting description of the brand & where it’s at - cheers from Oxford.
Thanks. Its the best super summary i have yet come up with to define Jaguarness. ie not an out and out racing machine, not a pure luxury Barge, and with more tradition and heritage than the average car
Hi John, I was thinking the future was going to be Hydrogen, but I’m now seeing Synthetic Fuel…. Running on normal petrol engines with no modifications could be the future - let’s hope so….. long live the petrol Jags of all kinds…..
The Nazis developed synthetic gasoline during WWII when they couldn't get the real thing. But we will be able to get the real thing for another 100 years, leaving plenty of time to develop alternatives. Last May I bought a '16 F-Type 3.0 S 6mt coupe, then in February bought an '06 XJ8 VDP LWB 4.2. I have zero interest in electric cars, at 77 I won't have to buy one. Between those two Jaguars and my '16 Mazda MX-5/Miata I should be set for my foreseeable future. There might be something like a Caterham 7 down the road, it's a possibility.
John, you're spot on. Just read this in a new Autocar group test of the last 3 front engined, RWD V8 sportscars for sale in the UK. Sums it up nicely.
'A V8 engine in the front of a useable, affordable, powerful sports car just makes good sense when you think about it. Yes, they burn hydrocarbons - quite a lot of hydrocarbons, obviously, and must therefore be wiped from the face of the planet as quickly as possible, according to good old public opinion.
But if we're mature enough to acknowledge that such a problem actually concerns not what they are but what they burn and that there are ways to make clean, sustainable fuel for them, just as you can generate sustainable energy for an EV (although not every EV runs on it), we might just make room to observe what makes them great. '
Hi John. I believe that the 11th hour decision to can the XJ replacement was the final (inexplicable) nail in the coffin. Very recent decisions by companies such as Kia to slow down EV production and to increase the balance in the favour of hybrid vehicles is quite telling and shows the folly of 'betting the farm' on one form of propulsion for an established manufacturer such as Jaguar. BTW, totally agree with your observations about the lack of green credentials of BEVs and the unviability of them for many of us. You're right about hydrogen as the solution, but legislators have sent us down the current, uninformed route to electrical propulsion.
I have very little confidence in the future of Jaguar as a traditional motor manufacturer and the last decade of under development in the wider product range will sadly continue the further decline of this once great marque.
I liked the XF and subsequently the XE. Both are great cars but the overlap in appearance between the two ranges does either car no favours. I found the iPace left me cold and lacks any Jaguar-ness. Where's the heritage? As for the SUVs, i can see the marketing and accountants view that the company had to have them to compete, but are they Jaguars? Personally, I don't think so.
As for the perceived 'quality' as a characteristic of Jaguar, I'm not sure that's genuinely a feature of Jag's history. Whilst the leather and walnut of earlier cars was out there for the cost of the cars, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have always had a well-earned reputation of deeply ingrained and engineered quality but without the gloss of the veneers and leather seat facings.
All those of us with modern classic Jags can only rejoice in the fact that we've got vehicles of real quality and style.
Wonderful and philosophical response Gerard. This video is giving me a lot of joy as I really enjoy this type of discussion and debate.
On the 'percieved' quality I think we actually agree. its just a difference in Language.
Toyota have the best QUALITY of build, as their components are all exactly as intended, positioned and assembled as they should be through solid design, production engineering and adherensce to standards at all levels.
BMW and Mercedes are also Very good at these. Jag has always had superb and inovative design asthetically and at engineered component and assembly level. But the final fit and finish is usually achieved with more use of adjustment and fettling Than either of the above. HENCE the perception of wonderful build quality via hand fettling to accomodate variation, And then capping it off with world class wood, leather, aluminium and (following huge amounts of end of line hand refinishing) world class paint.
I also like your phrase 'for the cost'. I think where they had success, its generally been where buyers have recognised how much more they would have to pay to get equivalence.
The Aston DB7 should have at least matched the Very similar XK8's sales at launch due to the brand, and the manual gearbox. but whilst the Jag was not cheap but attainable, The Aston was significantly more expensive.
We affacianardos of course now recognise the Jag as the all-round better car anyway 😁
John👍🍺
Hi John I really enjoyed this video and your thoughts on the future of Jaguar I love my 1995 XJS Convertible with the straight 6 4.0Litre engine AJ6 in mine, I always loved Jags when I was 17 my uncle Billy who sold cars out of London for individual customers he bought a Mk 10 to Nottingham to sell to this man who never turned up I saw that car and fell in love with it. Uncle Billy was very reluctant to sell it to me but three weeks later it was mine he let me have it for 600 pounds it cost me double to insure it this was 1972 it was a 1966 model anyway I kept it drove all the time until 1974 the cost of petrol was just to much for me so I sold her and I regretted selling as he drove away anyway that's my Jag story take care John best regards as always Andy Allen.
At least you had the chance to experience a wonderful Mk10
Jaguarness ... Such a difficult word to describe and yet I know exactly what you mean 😊
Next year Jaguar as we now know it, will no longer be the same company. Managemnt has decided to drop the Jaguar name and all gas driven engines in favor of EV's. The new company will be called JLR. On that basis, we should see older cars appreciate in value as collector items.
I have Chinese made phone, computer, television, fitbit watch etc.etc. why should Jaguar be any different??
Leveraging Jaguar's back catalogue of successful and popular designs coupled with latest electric / battery or Hydrogen technology would be an outstanding marketing ploy. Imagine, Electric E-Types and D-Types, Hydrogen XK8's and XJ13's..... It would perhaps prove limited in volume demand and maybe not lasting, but it would completely restore the 'Jaguarness' brand and desireability.
I love this idea and came back to suggest it only to see I’m not the only one.
Once the mystique of the Jaguar brand is destroyed the brand is dead no mater what they stick the logo on.
Tara don’t understand the brand and the Chinese probably won’t. Electric will kill Jaguar and any other brand that goes all electric. The new brands will carry on but as you say the future is changing and petrol will disappear as a normal fuel. I’d like to see more done with hydrogen, we will see. I believe the driving experience is going to change radically before too much longer and cars will become toasters.
Their more modern ranges are nice..... But a proper jag hasn't been built in years.
For me the newer ones just don't have the iconic appeal.
I guess we all have to move with the times but I for one will always be a bigger fan of the classics.
Give the choice between a xk and a f type I'd go for the xk every time.
EV's are the future 😂😂😂. I for one can't wait to see all the claims from people tripping up over extension leads across paths for houses without off road parking and not forgetting the beauty of hundreds of joined together extension leads from high rise flats.
I don't think the UK is alone in not having the infrastructure to cope with the entire driving community charging their cars.
Fortunately, my XK8 is very environmentally friendly, I can only afford enough petrol for a couple of miles use a day 😂😂😂
Hi John, Hmm, such a lot to ponder. I totally agree with all that you expressed, particularly the great EV con adopted by naive inner-city millennials.
My first experience with a Jaaag, (as Clarkson would say, but, did you see his face light up when he drove an XK8 out of the factory?), was driving from Salalah to Muscat way back when in an XJ6. Quite a hike and the road was less than ideal but we both arrived in good order.
With both Lotus, Volvo & MG "orientalised" it may be an attractive idea, but, that is what Ford thought with PAG.
On the other hand Honda is not a bad idea from joseph as it may be more in tune with tradition than its Chinese competitors, and, they were/will be involved with F1. Could break it out of the old fogeys image of a chariot to take them very slowly to the bowls club??
A most thought provoking way to spend half an hour, Thanks John. Don't work too hard.
PS what is an ULEZ zone, something like the Twilight Zone peut etre ???
😁 Ultra Low Emissions Zone.
Jaguar’ is going nowhere now or in the future because, and I’m not being sarcastic Jaguar as a true brand based on its own merits died in the late sixties or beginning of the 70s. They are part of motoring history but that is where they will stay.
I see a short-term tough time ahead for EVs. Values will decline, there will likely be a price war. Longer-term, EVs will become less expensive than ICE vehicles. Except for Tesla, the US auto industry may not survive. Tesla will introduce inexpensive Robotaxis in a few years. Some people may own one to get to and from work, then rent the vehicle out during the rest of the day for errands etc. Furthermore, companies like Lyft and Uber may create fleets of Robotaxis to ferry people to and from work. You may not need to own a car anymore.
Tesla will license FSD to other car makers. 10 minute 200 mile charging is already feasible. Do you really want to drive 600 miles without a break? Lithium ion batteries are getting more efficient but will likely be replaced by one of the many alternatives being developed.
Charging is a problem, speeds will improve as will generation with solar, wind and hopefully SMRs. Off street parking with overnight charging for cities might be an option.
The Chinese will likely succeed with their models. Like Japan, their products will be crap until they're not.
I have owned 7 Jags including 2 xk8s and an x-type currently. They are great cars. Most of them will become collector items. I do not find the new models all that interesting. EVs are good luxury and utility vehicles. For fun, a sporty EV could easily and inexpensively be modified to make an interesting sound.
I don't see a future for hydrogen.
Jaguar's future is ZERO if they follow through with the ridiculous plan of going all electric, Electric is NOT the future, it was tried in the past and failed and it WILL fail again, fortunately I will not be here to see Jaguar's full demise.
Hang on tiger. You are going nowhere soon! Anyway. They might stuff it up real quick😉
I think a Chinese shift would simply use the name to con people, just like the MG brand. Mediocre cars, poorly built, no class...but it's a Jaaggg! Shudder!
There is no future for Jaguar if they stay with this ridiculous edict to just produce electric vehicles, should Jaguar be bought by a Chinese company I will no longer support Jaguar and will seriously consider having to remove my tattoo, China is the worst country 😮.
The current range and has been for a long time there’s no different to other other jelly mold cars the only saving grace is the F type as for the rest of the model range it doesn’t stand out and I couldn’t tell it unless I look at the badge.
Like you I have always said IF there must be a different fuel type it is hydrogen.
Sorry but there is absolutley nothing of jaguar dna in the i pace,absolutley zilch,zero,as characterfull as a toaster.the only jaguar thing about it is pace.will agree that the interior is better than the likes of tesla but a jaguar interior it most definatley aint.
Battery electric vehicles are the future. All the disadvantages you mention are either imaginary (need for expensive battery replacement) or temporary (lack of infrastructure.) My daily driver is a 10 year old all-electric BMW. I charge it at home overnight when there is no strain on the power grid, and my solar panels give back the electricity to the grid the next day. It performs like new, and its battery was designed to last at least 20 years. And thanks to the BMW, my Jag XKR doesn't have to go to work or the grocery store... it can exclusively do the kind of long, fun drives that it is best at.
There will be no "next thing." Just the perfection of BEVs and the growth of a proper infrastructure to support them for most drivers. Jaguar needs to be in on that before too long, or it will cease to exist.
Hey, you must be the guy who invented “New Coke”!
We’ll said, the sooner we face reality and get our heads out of the sand the better. I still get comments on my XK8 from most people ‘ oh it’s only a Ford’ , but those with an XK know better😎
JLR are fucked! Tata will be making cars under their name in the uk soon!! killed the brand!