Building A Synth Wall // Keyboard Stand Alternative
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- So we built a Synth Wall! This video documents the experience, pros and cons, and overall thoughts of a Slatwall instead of a Keyboard stand.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro and the keyboard stand options
02:39 The Crownwall Slatwall setup & installation
05:54 Keyboard Slatwall Arms Options
09:50 Some price comparisons
11:00 Power for the gear
11:40 USB Hub for midi (and audio)
12:41 Quick note on the Mackie Onyx24 mixer
13:21 Lighting
14:10 Final thoughts
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I did this exact thing about 4-5 years ago and was fortunate enough to do it when the keyboard arms were only $22 each. I bought a long 24-outlet power strip, four 4x8 sheets of garage slatwall which I painted, and added aluminum inserts to boost strength. I also bought 10 pairs of keyboard arms and realized I needed more a year or two later, but the prices had skyrocketed. The cost is double what I originally paid, but there is a simple solution to house more equipment: Pick up a few MDF shelves and some 1x2 lumber from your local big box store. Put the 1x2 along one edge to prevent synths from sliding off angled shelves, and it also prevents the MDF from warping under the weight. I painted mine black, drilled three 3" holes in each and added desk grommets for cables, and it works like a charm. It gives me 4 ft of space for every pair of keyboard arms. All my shelves except one have at least 2 pieces of gear on them, and I have an extra set of keyboard arms spare now.
Honestly it is not the best setup for "making music", but it is an amazing setup for turning everything on and having a blast. It also takes up a lot less space than keyboard stands do.
That was my immediate thought. I also use extra long pine boards to extend my desk area. No need to even drill.
I’m so stoked you did this video! I have been considering this as a display / play option but had no idea where to start.
Thank you so much!
Nice! That’s a great solution and appearance. Thanks for the description and display.👍
After looking into stands in the past, I will definitely be following your lead on the slatwall setup. Thank you so much for the idea!
So many great studio options and tips in this video. Thank you so much for sharing!
Nice! Def considering a slatwall for the studio/office & I was happy to come across your video. Thank you for the video!!!
I think I'm gonna go for this! Thanks so much for the idea and all the details to reproduce it
I can’t believe this is the only video on this topic! Thanks for sharing and for being so detailed! I’ll have to crunch the numbers to see if this makes sense for synths with 61-keys, but I’m pretty sure most of my smaller stuff just found a home! This looks like the easiest and most flexible way to make efficient use of available space. 💙👍
Love it, what a great idea. I'll seriously considering it now. Thanks for sharing.
Love this idea. Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
Nice! Building anew studio this fall so this is really helpful. Thanks!
Great overview and tips. Definitely considering this option.
This seems like the perfect solution for me. I was actually looking for a wall mounted stand, but the slat wall makes it so much more flexible. I have a small home studio and keyboard stand legs tend to really get in the way, especially if I am swinging around from my PC to the keyboard. This way, no legs to get in the way. Seems cost effective. You just have to be really sure where you want things. I like it. Thanks for sharing this.
Touche! What a great solution. I have Xstands everywhere and love this solution. Thanks for the info :)
This isn't an option I considered, and I love it. Thanks for this very informative video!
Love your ingenuity 🎉
what an amzing video bro...we salute you for saving us time, research and real world work!!
Thanks! Hopefully it helps out 🙏 Here's a follow up vid on our Music Tech focused channel: czcams.com/video/R8xu-XLPfYk/video.html
So very cool... thanks for sharing... I am at the point where I need to reorganize my studio and this looks like a good solution...
Great overview and tips
hey tefty thanks for responding to my comment the other day and linking me here, this is perfect for me! i just upgraded to the mpc live 2 from my mpc one, mostly because i hated dragging the One around, i want to kind of set it up more permanently. i can finally set up my wasp model d jd08 microfreak and microkorg all at the same time and use the MPC as a main hub.
Dude this was exactly what I was looking for. Keep up the good content. Got a like and a sub from me man. 👍🏼 Appreciate you!
Amazing timing!!! Was just looking into doing this ( saw one in a recent TapeOp article about the guy who does sound for Better Call Saul etc.
A great idea. Thanks for sharing.
Amazing - I'm going to do it! Thankyou
I was looking for an nice option for my extra cdjs. brilliant
Great video! I just got a Jaspers stand setup last weekend and it is a GREAT stand. I got one on wheels which is really nice for my small studio space. I really like this slatwall approach as well and think a combination might be great for me. The slat wall is easier to reconfigure and potentially leaves a lot more floor space available.
Yep, one big benefit is the near "cableless" look you can get if you manage the cables by the power strip. You can also add more slat sheets to the top or bottom if your space allows it.
I'm in the same boat my jaspers stand (square frame, not A-frame) with extra accessories is just under $800, from thomann to US. think i'm still going jaspers route but this was really cool to see. thank you for sharing. it was cool to see your lighting and power solution as well as it's something I hadn't put much thought into yet. cheers
Really good video I'm glad that solution worked for you, i had a very similar dilemma, but i was able to find a used Ultimate support Apache A-frame for the equivalent of $60, add $20 for new parts and elbow grease, I'm very happy with the results, the jaspers would've been ridiculously expensive to import, and I'm afraid the wall solution wouldn't have worked out for me, but your results with it are amazing
Awesome! Please do a complete studio tour.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 This is exactly what I needed... THANK YOU!
I thought for a second i saw Ron Swanson from Parks Recreation being busy on your wall 😆
Nice Wall now btw
Great idea 🎉
Great idea!
I was looking at keyboard stands on Amazon and ran across the slatwall keyboard arms. That sold me on the idea of using slatwall. My studio isn't very big and is in the same room as a home gym. So not having a bulky rack on the floor is a great idea. I am glad I found your video so I can see what a setup like this looks like. The LED light strips in the grooves is a fantastic idea.
Your video has sealed the deal on me going with slatwall for my keyboards and synths. Now I just need to save up my pennies so I can afford to get the slatwall and 8 pack of keyboard arms. Might as well get the 8 pack to save some money and have plenty of space for stuff so I have room for my current grear and room for new grear.
I changed my mind in the slatwall. Up against the wall I was going to use I have a table for my desktop synths, drum machines, and Eurorack. I plan on putting my oscilloscope on the table. It's heavy and vertically oriented. So it would be a bit awkward to put on a slatwall. I recently picked up a 5 tier Jasper's A frame from Thomann. It's cheaper than what you showed. With shipping to the US it was $302.88. For now this should fit the bill. Instead of the table I could have a plank across 4 keyboard arms. So perhaps I may do slatwall in the future. But most likely I will still have the jasper's rack. So on the right of my desk would be the jasper's and on the left of the desk the slatwall.
I have also been thinking about putting up some slatwall on the back wall for less used keyboards.
I watched this a while back when I didn’t really need a synth wall. I re-watched it just now and I’m glad I did. I’m thinking about doing the same thing as you, but I already have a power strip, but now I think I’ll get a longer one like that, but run it vertically alongside the wall so I can more easily plug in and unplug.
Vertical is good solution as well for the power strip. I even considered mounting a 2U rack vertically to the wall for extra utility patching audio cables. The slat wall has been amazing so far after 6+ months 🙌
I've been loving my Jaspers setup for all my synth modules, keyboard and more. I have their 3 tier stand and i cut some boards to work as shelves so i wouldnt have to buy a zillion extra arms, which are expensive. I have the arms slanted downward so i added lips to the front of the boards. I also drilled cable holes in the boards, and the bottom board is deep enough that all the cables and power strips can hide back there. Its super compact and all on wheels, which is great for moving it away from the wall to reorganize things.
I was in a similar boat and did the wall mount Standtastic bundle (it’s at the bottom of the sweetwater page). For my small stuff, I put piece of adjustable shelving between the arms.
It works, but I really like how you can do independent angles in the same row. I’d probably do a slat wall if I was doing it again (now that I know it’s a thing)
I’m going to need this soon. I’m one synth away lol. Thanks!
Also nice looking the Hardwood Slatwall Rail maybe i just need 2 and not a complete wall thanks for this info
good info !!
I would have driven 3 1/2 inch torx coated deck screws into the studs for your slat wall. All the weight is on the arms that are supported by your 4x4 wall. Just my experience speaking.
That’s a great solution.
I wish you'd posted this a year ago before I settled on my non-ideal Ikea ELVARI solution. Filing this for the future inevitable studio redo.
I looked at this! I was super close to the IKEA solution as well.
@@TeftyMeems the flexibility of the slats is way better. Elvari spacing is not very flexible and the shoe rack shelves only come in 2 sizes and one angle.
Like what you've done, here. It's a nice custom solution to a specific use-case. I'm still trying to find a stand that accommodates the smaller synths I have (mostly desktop Volca's, a couple of Arturia keyboards etc). A Jaspers would be sweet but kinda out of my price range right now. Slatwall would not work as I'm currently living in a rental and I can't fix stuff to the walls.
After watching your video, I did the same thing with same materials. I love the flexibility and easy of everything. And no stands!
Good idea
Love the slat wall, your gear, and your studio! Amazing!
Thanks Tony 🙏❤
I ordered my jaspers rack from Thoman and it arrived on the east coast in just over 2 days and shipping was only $38! I also realized I needed more mounts after the fact so it wasn’t cost effective to pay shipping for that. BUT I got a few pieces of 1x12 boards and made 4 shelves for my rack. Now I can load up all sorts of extra gear and modules…
This is cool. I went with a Jasper's a while back and I am happy with that but looking at this I'm thinking it could be a good solution for guitar pedal display/storage if one can find the appropriate shelving to interface with the slot wall. Also, I've already run out of space on my Jasper's 😂
I think the pronunciation is To-Mann. The O is long.
if you switch to mac please make videos for this ^^ research, ordering, unboxing, hooking up, testing
Tip for the long feet in the way of keys - I would try sliding off the rubber part and trimming the metal to size then sliding rubber back on!
Slatwall wouldn't work for me at the moment, because I'm renting and I don't think my landlord would appreciate it, but this is such a great share that I can see this being very attractive for many. It looks so much neater than the Jaspers 'scafolding' look and more pro. I'm gonna keep this idea in reserve for when I do move. I hope I can get all the slatwall gear here in the UK. Simply fabulous, thank you.
I bought a freestanding slatwall stand from a shop fitting site (here in Sydney) - works well and no messing with landlord walls.
I have a jaspers 150b stand, the angled one. The wall slats sound cool actually i wasn't able to do that in my living space, but the wall flushed power supply is an interesting additional solution.
What I have done is on my upper tier I placed one of my two separate shielded multi power supplies, each having about 12 plugs. Since my low frequency expander has a very small length cord (I could have gotten a longer cord but the adapter I purchased has a small one), I placed that psu on the upper tier; there is room just behind it to put velcro strips to hold that. But that ended up working out in a weird way since my mixer next to the stand has a small cord also. So that spot for multi psu number 1 is the optimal spot.
The other multi psu (shielded power strip) sits on my amp next to the other side of the stand. For my setup this has worked so far because I have a lot of gear to plug in. But it does take a bit of space. If my living situation were different I think the slats sound like an excellent way to go space wise.
I have the on stage 3 tier and its ok, i customized the hell out it and knew i was going to. Also i have the ability to do so, so it was a good buy for me. Anything beyond this is going to be a custom built rack.
I had the On Stage stand, took up too much room. Ended up building a custom desk. The slat wall is a great idea.
Thank you!!!
That's a great solution and it's "future proof".
i love the video it helped me visualize a rack, but i am wanting something portable. Gibraltar probably has my best options. 2x59" straight drum rack tube and 2x SC-GRSTLA Road Series Standard T-Leg (4.6" height): [those together is 5.5 feet tall] the width needs to fit my 88 key Midi controller which is 54" long so will also need 59" tubes for my horizontals. Later I'll probably add 2x 30" poles extensions to the height (making around 6 foot). i can even put studio monitor mounts on the side or on top, probably side for height adjustment. A few Power Rack T-Clamps for each tare and SC-GEMC Electronic Mount Arms will hold the units in place on the rack.
i will try to do a video on my other channel when its finished
Cool idea, but my concern about any setup like this is always how well it works ergonomically. If I have to reach a weird location to play a synth, I'm gonna be less inclined to spend time messing with it. If you're just storing stuff there and moving it to a different stand when you use it, or if you're just sequencing stuff, then I could see it being pretty useful. But otherwise I feel like it would be a hinderance (the solution being just own less gear, haha).
It all depends on what gear you have. I like to control things via MIDI. So for me it wouldn't be a problem to have certain keyboards or synths that I can't play sitting down. I would just control them from another keyboard or MIDI controller. In general I think it's a good idea to have things setup with MIDI so they can be considered via a master keyboard. I really like layering sounds. So I am frequently playing multiple keyboards and synths at the same time via MIDI.
But all that said; Slatwall may not be the perfect solution. I plan on installing Slatwall for keyboards and synths. But I also have a two tier keyboard stand that I will keep using. So there will be multiple keyboards I can play sitting down. As well as my Arturia Keystep Pro.
@@jennoscura2381 I had the same concerns as Walter-but to your point Im frequently layering synth via a midi controller. If Im playing separate part (base and lead) on two diff synths, I can just position them accordingly on the wall. I see you can change the angle of the supports, so you are not playing the instruments (at your sitting level) at such an extreme angle. Again, great video and you have a new subscriber ;)
@@N-trepid1 my thought is to have the master keyboard at playing height. Above that would be something I might want to play directly. It would be angled slightly. Above that would be something where I only need to mess with it to change settings. That would be angled all the way so I can reach the buttons.
Cool. Although I live inside the European Union, the same as Thomann, so no import fees for me. We also generally have brick walls in Europe.
Still, you start paying import fees only at $800? It used to be something like €20 inside the EU, but they removed that lower limit, and now you always pay fees. And you pay VAT (value added tax), which is anything between 18% and 25%, depending on what country you live in.
I really enjoyed the video. Good thinking. So now I’m torn on whether to grab a jaspers 4d-145B 4 tiered stand and add an extra set of arms and just place a wooden board flat on one of the tiers for all my smaller synths/effects/mixer. Looks like shipped i can grab this all for around $350. I was curious how wide you can go with this slat kit from amazon? I have a couple full sized synths. Anyways great setup and now you have me thinking! Cheers!
That multi-usb I saw at 5:16, where did you get that and do you have an affilliate link? Look like a great solution to my bus power issues. Thanks for sharing this and all your info and art!
Yup, all linked up in the description.
Great looking setup and awesome review. My question is how is this holding up by now? I found the exact same arms on stringswing and amazon, however, the pot welds on the amazon one is my greatest concern, although that price is nice! I have purchased stands in the past over Amazon and they tend to have cheap Chinese made welds that for me eventually broke.... with 7 guitars on the stand, so the welds are my only real concern, so I'd love to hear what you think. Thanks again for the killer video!
Consider using MakerPipe for strange new designs. 3/4” or 1” conduit for the “base”. Sky’s the limit for design after that
Nice! First I've heard of this. Good option.
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Thank you so much for this video.
I have a Jaspers 6 tier stand which took around a month (!!) to get delivered from Thomann in Germany. I have a 6-tier, a 2 tier, plus a modular shelving system from Ikea. My collection (currently about 20 synths) has grown too much to invest in more Jaspers stands at the prices they now cost. What's worse is I cannot hook anything up that sits on my Ikea modular simply due to its design.
This slatwall system looks to be a perfect solution. I control everything from a Push 2 or a controller keyboard anyway, so all of them can be up on a wall and out of the way. My only concern is the strength of PVC slatwall for larger synths (30-40lbs each). Any insights on the load-bearing limitations of this PVC system? 100lbs PSF sounds okay, but really how strong is this stuff? 3,200lbs per 8 x 4 panel? Is my math correct?
I have a Jasper 4 tier A frame. But I really like this wall solution.
Which model jaspers 4 tier do ya have? And do you find that you have enough room to control the synths and gear between tiers? Looks like the 3 tier and 4 tier from them is same height… so naturally the 4 tier has less room between tiers
For tiered racks in the US, we don’t have nice choices which was a surprise to me and I’ve been looking for the past year. I might just have to get a multi-tier floor standing Jasper from Thomann and look at the AMS stands in the UK for desktop racks 😞
This is a great option. I have the A-frame stand and it takes up too much floorspace. I'm switching rooms with my daughter soon, so this will be handy. Two questions - What's the dimensions of your space? And, do you even bother with acoustic treatment in the room? I may fabricate smaller panels to fit around the new wall fixtures, and at least some good bass trapping for the smaller room. Thanks for sharing this!
10ft x 11ft, so not very big. We gave up on acoustic treatment when we moved into this studio and decided to stay with headphones. We still have monitors that we use for writing sessions, but no critical mixing. All mixing is done on the headphones at the moment. I’ve been in really nice control rooms before and the proper placement of speakers and treatment basically takeover the space. Not really conducive for writing (unless the space is large). Good news is the more “stuff” you have in the studio the more natural “diffusion” you’ll have 🤣
@@TeftyMeems Diffusion galore! I'll be in a similar footprint. Appreciate the reply!
Very good idea. Did you take any precautions around the tip of the arm to make sure the synth would not jump out and fall. Like adding some foam or somtehing . I would just be afraid of a synth just falling.
Oh and yeah , got the issue with korg minilogue XD drivers , but theres a good video on how to use the korg midi port deinstaller to free up one of the midi port between 1 and 10, cos if the driver is installed using a midi port above 10 , you screwed 😂 , no need to switch to Mac 😂
When you do the Onyx video, please tell us if it has dust protection inside the opening on the faders.
I love my wall-mount Standtastik system. I can get up to 6 synths on each wall.
I am installing the Crownwall right now, but the studs in the wall are very odd. 1st stud is 12 inches in from doorframe. Next stud is 11 inch on center. Next is 24 inches on center. Next is 9.5 inches on center. If I center the middle screw of the slatwall panel, the studs to the left and right of center are still about 7 inches in from the edge of each side of the slatwall. I am going to call the company tomorrow and ask suggestions. Just posting here in case anyone is doing research so that you know you may run into an oddity along the way.
UPDATE: I just went ahead and spaced the screws to the studs as equidistant as possible to compete the Crownwall. Used the same brackets as described in the vid. It is completely sturdy. I’ve got 3 keyboards, a rack module and an MG12XU. They all fit flawlessly. The bottom keyboard is an 88 weighted key Triton at piano height so I can sit right down and play. Absolutely fantastic. Thank you Tefty and Meems for thIs AMAZING idea.
Great video, I also find it weird Jaspers does not have a US distributor! WTH. In any case, I am in this same situation and I thank you for this video. I might give this a shot.
Still prefer the look of an A-stand which I was lucky to get used 3-tier ones with an option to add a 4th, On-stage brand for about $200 for two, but this is definitely an interesting idea!
Oooo interesting. Didn't realize there's a 4th tier addon. That's good to know. What I found with most stands that aren't Jaspers is the widths are limited so doing two medium keyboards on one row (Pro 3 and Take 5) isn't really viable.
Hey mate ! Do you know if the keyboard arms will
Accommodate an Oberheim synth ? The Oberheim measures 20 1/2” in depth. The arms all seem to be 18”. If one tilted the 18” arms down , would it give more space for the larger synths like an Oberheim?
04:22 - did you hire Ron Swanson? You Boss! ;)
How’s this been looking back now? I’ve been considering this option for my setup, but I would have an Arturia PolyBrute where your summit is here, and the PolyBrute is the heaviest synth I’ve ever seen! (Summit is 22lbs and PB is 44)
I wanted to do this in my setup, but I was curious how it would feel to play on. Especially the synths that are not standing or sitting height. #oldmanbackproblems
I should've mentioned it in the video but overall really solid. There's a bit of give/bounce in the arms but nothing that feels loose. For the most stability the slat arms feel the best when right next to the studs in the wall. But I did sessions for a good 3 weeks on the keyboards and they feel great on the wall.
How are you liking the slat wall still? And how did that usb hub work for all the midi and audio running through it. I wanted to consolidate mine too. Powered usb hub
I never found keyboard multi level stands conducive to sound creation. You can't really see the screens well and always feels combersome. Yet to find the best solution. This is a cool setup though. 😎
Yeah always a compromise. This setup the bottom two rows are really comfortable for me. I can see everything on the Summit for programming. I really just wanted to be able to access more hardware synths directly in Ableton without having to switch things around all the time.
@@TeftyMeems this was one of my old studios. So many attempts to access all comfortably.
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Same problem here was thinking about such a thing still have some problems as the walls ar note straight up...:(
I'm currently dealing with this. I like this idea, but I also feel that the Jaspers and BlackPantherSystems, have some perks. The thing that's preventing me from doing this, is it has to be connected to a wall. I like the idea of being able to move my gear around, if needed. I have to make my mind up soon, because I hate having gear clutter. I was thinking about getting a Jaspers or Black Panther, and a decent studio desk. I have tools, and experience with carpentry and furniture building, but wood gets super heavy, and I would hate to end up with a 1000lb desk. I've thought about engineering a desk, so I could easily break it down into pieces to make moving easier, but I'm not too sure if it's worth it, due to the cost of plywood, and hardware. I'm also concerned about designing something, building it, and then not liking it, due to a mess up in the design. I also deal with chronic pain, so I don't enjoy building things like I used to. I've thought about getting this, and then reinforcing a piece of 3/4 plywood, and adding a frame to the bottom, with wheels, so I could move it around, but it would be heavy. I could at least make it easy to disassemble. I love having hardware, but making the right choices when paying premium prices, is super difficult at times.
Amazing, definitely going to be "copying" you!...THANK YOU!
When you play the keyboards, is there and bouncing or anything?
would this work for heavy 88 key synth piano's and mixing boards?
I've got a pair of four tiered Standtastic A-frames for my setup. They were great when I had all of my gear setup in my garage. But since I moved everything into a smaller room, they take up way too much floor space. It's almost like having a couple of synth pyramids in my studio. It's probably about time for me to look into getting a slatwall setup.
Where did you find a 4 tiered standtastic stand? Most I see is 3 tiered
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They were originally three tiered stands, but you can order extra tiers separately and add them on later.
Oh so you just added a pair of the wall mount style arms from standtastic and they easily can be added to their 3 tier stand?
Funny how this is in my feed AFTER I buy the 3 tier on-stage deal🤦🏽♂️. BUT!😃👆🏽 my plan is to place a plank on the lowest level and possibly two “DJ” laptop stands on that-place a yet to be purchased Rev2 on the plank and maybe both my RefaceDX and CS on the DJ stands because there’s a larger gap from the lowest level to the 2nd tier. Seems like wasted space. Then the Deepmind6 and maybe a drum module or boutique synths on the same tier and then my beloved MS2000 on top. As a renter I prefer not to do the wall slats.
The market really has a huge hole for these solutions. Synth and EDM studios need products to help all the clutter.
I would be totally worried about the slats giving way. How do you know how much weight the small lip of material can handle? A couple quality synths, and your pulling a lot more weight than some dress shirts hanging in a showroom. My Kawai keyboard is heavy as hell. I looked for metal slat wall. I didnt really find anything.
Are those $42 a piece for the arms? You have 16 of them plus the wall. That’s two 5 tier Jaspers
Standtastic stands are recommended by onstage
Jim Daneker recommended them on CZcams doesn't jut out as much as Jasper
damn.. now I wish I didn't have the jaspers
Hello. Please tell me why and in connection with what they sharply raised prices for well-known analog synthesizers, have you literally gone crazy? Thank you
I think it's the micro chip supply issue that's world wide. There's been a few synth manufacturers that have had to close up shop because of this 😭
@@TeftyMeems These were a bad news! Come on World!, 🙅♂️🗣️
It’s proounced ‘toe man’ and the ‘man’ the jamaican way. ;)
Thanks. Too expensive. I’m going custom with wood.
This is garbage. I mean, he doesn't even cover the need for a Synth-Ceiling, nor does he advocate the benefits of Reflexology by walking on a Synth-Floor. 😅