I didn't think I could love this keyboard stand more - I was wrong! I'm AMAZED!
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Two weeks ago, I posted a review for a keyboard stand from an American manufacturer I had never heard of: Liquid Stands. I was AMAZED at how great this stand was - strong, built with quality components, and versatile. In this video, I add a new accessory to this stand that doubles its usability and makes this truly one of the best keyboard stands I have ever seen!
Link to my original review of the stand: • BEAST STAND: Liquid St...
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0:00 Intro
1:21 Fixed Plastic Pieces
2:04 Unboxing 2nd Tier
4:04 Installing the Kit
7:50 Making Adjustments
10:00 Putting Synthesizers on the Stand
11:06 Testing with Synthesizers
11:53 My Thoughts
12:21 Height Adjustability
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I have just ordered my Liquid Stands Z stand with a 2nd tier. Although shipping costs to Europe exceed the selling price by far, I opted for this brand, because the products are far more flexible than what Jaspers has to offer. In fact, there is nothing like it anywhere else that has wheels. Thank you for bringing these products to my attention! Every video of your channel is highly appreciated, so keep up the good work!
It's a big plus that the size of the 2nd tier is independent of the sitting/standing position of the main stand. I have a folding stand with a 2nd tier, which is quite good but can only accommodate specific keyboards depending on the height. The casters are also a very useful feature. Much better to roll a heavy synth around than having to pick it up.
All I'm asking for is an American company making 4 or 5 tier stands, so we don't have to fork over crazy money for shipping to get Jaspers. FYI I just got a liquid stand 2 weeks ago, and they are amazing, but let's get those multi tier stands going soon!
You can add 2 more tiers to the stand in this video actually (one using the inside beams and one using the outside beams). We are also working on a 3 tier "A Frame" style but now it sounds like we need to get to work on a 4 and 5 tier option ;) We're working on more cool products as fast as possible and hear all the feedback!
@@liquidstands Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it. I'm telling you guys, if you make at least a 4 tier stand, it's gonna be a gold mine. There's so many of us paying big bucks to get Jaspers shipped over from Germany. As much as I like them, I'd rather spend that money on a U.S. based company! Looking forward to your new products!
@@MaladarGaming We hear you. One of the main issues is Jaspers makes a pretty solid rack already so we don't usually look to design a new item unless we can add features not on the market. This is something we will look into though. Our goal was to go from 1 tier > 2 tier > 3 tier and then consider larger racks or desks. A gold mine does sound nice though ;)
@@liquidstands I love the evolving plan from 1 to 2 and so on, looking forward to more great products from your company!
- They don't seem to have them here at Thomann. So it's more a US product (for now) I guess.
- Reminds me a lot of the stand I bought here. Not gonna name-drop a competitor product here, but you know the ones Claudio reviewed one day when he got a whole bunch of them.
They have 1 cool feature that I really like (depending on the model). A bar of (8, I believe) electrical sockets that you can attach to the back, so that you can plug your gear directly in there. It helps keep cables tidier, instead of having it on the floor. The sockets are widely spaced, so that transformer blocks don't block adjacent sockets. Always easier to have a built-in sockets system, instead of having to try to attach something yourself if it's not designed for it.
Correct, we emailed Thomann a few weeks ago letting them know what they're missing out on but haven't heard back yet ;) You can name drop other brands here - we'd love to see the content!
It was BlackPantherSystem. Dot de. The owner also has a passion to make the best stand. Expensive though. I bought it from Thomann. But later I was looking into some accessories that I had to buy through their own website. But the website was messed up for a long time, so I wasn't able to. They are decent stands. Biggest shortcoming in my opinion is the lack of rubber pads. Synths slide like crazy on the metal. And I don't really trust the caps too much that prevent a sloped synth from sliding off to the front. Not a dealbreaker. But it was a bit of a challenge at first to find some rubber pads and how to best set up my 2 synths on it. @@liquidstands
I bought a liquid stand z style and I added a tier using a product from another company. I didnt see a second tier for it. Would love one that works directly as this is not a perfect solution.
I'm usually reluctant to buy from unknown brands, but this stand sounds and looks great ! Don't worry Scott, I liked the video as well :)
Chose the Quick Lok Z726 over a 2nd tier for my existing Liquid Stand Z-Stand because Quik Lok offered more height adjustability of 2nd tier. I wanted my top keyboard much closer to bottom than what was possible with Liquid Stands. If they changed design to allow top tier to be lower/closer to bottom, I think it would be a better solution.
I have the same stand and I love it. I have two 2nd tiers and used one of them to add a wrap around porch as a third tier. You have to see it to understand. It holds my QS8, Hydrasynth, and now the 3rd tier holds compositions I am working on. I actually removed the Hydrasnth and put a piece of wood to use as a surface to support notating music as I compose. I appreciate the vertical space it provides. This stand is similar.
Appreciate this feedback. I will check out the Z727 which is a bit lower than what we offer now. TheZ727 can get down to 9.2 inches. If you clamp our arms on sideways, you can get down to 9.5 inches with a minimal angle - Feel free to reach out sometime if you want more details or to chat - no sales pitch, just love hearing feedback!
Looks great - just used your link and made the purchase on the z-style with a second tier!
Awesome, thank you!
Very good review!!! While I am already invested in other stands for my home studio, since seeing this, I'm thinking I could really use this as a "workbench" in my studio to repair/modify my synths and wheel it out to my garage when I'm done! OR simply convert the workbench back into a keyboard stand for the studio!!! Hmmm I like it... Gonna do some measurements and if I decide to buy, I will def use your affiliate link.... Thanks Scott... You provide SO MUCH great info on here!!!
You should try and get everyone to boycott Espen Kraft bwaaa ha ha ha ha ha
It would work great for that!!
This stand is new and we've only sold a few hundred so far but we've had more than a handful of customers pick these up for a work bench (building guitars, fixing electronics, etc) so you're not alone!
Yeah thats my worry too, Even though my stand looks solid with its thick tubes, I always "after thighten" the screws after each month or so, because I am worried exactly about what you mentioned, that it will come crashing down at some point either because of metal fatigue or a glitchy slidey plastic clamp....
Great vid Scott once again.
This is an excellent stand,, it's solid af which is what you want from a stand.
I have played with a P6 on a stand and almost saw the synth hit the floor due to how the person set it up.
Having a synth hit the ground is never a good idea, also a stable platform is great as I hate watching keyboards bounce round when I watch people play.
Great upload, thx.
Something we've been seeing on stages are keyboards rotated backwards or keys upward because of playing ergonomics. Cutting edge would be that option as well they might want to consider. I get out my drill and add those round post that have the VESA plates and clamping hinged arms so I customize mine to hang whatever I want from them. For example I have the Iridium module, the Deckard's Dream, a touch screen and several foot pedals floating in air around me. I drill though the arms of the stands and clamp the base of the posts to the arms. Tony Stark would be proud. Any space around you including in the air is wasted space if you can't put something up there IMO.
They actually have those types of platforms available as accessories for this stand.
Can we see a picture of your set up for ideas? @Scott if you could show that table set up to hold two synths and pedals/drum machines I would buy one.
Wow, a nice stand gets even better! Though my synths are currently on a big Jaspers stand, I may get some of these stands for expansion and to get some synths more out where I can use them better. I have a cheap X-stand and a 3rd party 2nd tier add-on but it’s very tippy… best for lightweight synths and then only when it’s against a wall. Kudos to Liquid Stands.
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I have less movement on my second tier double braced X stand by On-Stage (RD2000 & FantomO6). Plus, on the X stands I can mount standard 19inch rack gear on the upper X area. I have two, one space equalizers and a one space power conditioner on my two-tiered double braced X stands. The lateral adjustment of the Liquid second tier stands (the part that supports the synth) is impressive and necessary, good job. But work needs to be done on stability, I am solo acoustic piano performer, I am used to zero movement of my instrument; at home I would like to have the same with my synths. An "A" brace on the second tier would add 2x the stability since the first tier and main stand is very solid. Ergonomic, adjustability and stability need work on all stands today, much improvement can still be achieved by this overlooked and highly important studio necessity.
Stands are so important to me I built my main keyboard triple stand from wood, designed and constructed by me; it IS rock solid as my acoustic pianos, zero movement, and holds 3 61keyboards, 32 channel mixer, effects, active speakers and a Zoom24track recorder, a microphone stand, and a slide out flat drawer supporting two Electribes, all in a 30x40 inch space. Also stands where the bottom supports are larger than the tops (all stands except this Liquid) are a hazard, bumping my feet on the legs all the time, sometimes tripping over them. A basic design of all furniture tables it to make sure there is toe room so when approaching a table you are not tripped into to it by legs extending beyond the top surface.
I have found on all keyboard stands that adding a tabletop such as a 11x48x.5inch pine board add much of the missing stability, if this top was bolted to the stand the stability would increase by 3x. Too many stands are made to be portable, when 90% of the population of keyboard buyers are home studios that never move.
Amazing!
I prefer my Gibraltar stand for my keyboards. I just saw where someone made a modification to the type of stand that I currently have an have made it even sturdier for the second tier keyboard. These things are awesome.
This stand I super awesome. I wish it had attachments for vesa or a smaller thing to the side . I like to put a laptop , monitor, or modular system off to the side this way I can patch with my matriach etc and it’s so much easier
They do have attachments for speakers, which could also be used for laptops, etc.
I bought their Z model. It is an amazing stand to hold up my system 8
I bought a wheeled Z stand from a different brand that looks to be identical to theirs (the one in the instructions you showed and in your link).
I use it for my kurzweil 2500x (90lbs!). After a while I was having issues with the wheels, the metal box section around where they screw in had bent, stopping them from pivoting.
I fixed this with a 16mm washer and an 8mm penny washer on each wheel, spreading the force away from the rivnut to the edge of the box section, it's been perfect since, I've even added a second tier and other additions.
Do I get a free stand? Lol.
Nice review. Do the casters lock?
Yes they do!
I dont know but I much prefer the look of the montage 7/6 than the montage m 6/7. The 8X manages to look ok for some reason
I'll take Standtastic two or three tier stands over this all day long. the most adjustable and very sturdy.
Standtastic does make some good stands, but they are nowhere near as strong and solid as this stand is. Would you sit on a Standtastic stand? You can (and I have) on this stand. It's also stable when being moved, WITH keyboards on it, which you would never try on a Standtastic stand.
Very interesting, but allow me to mention, that Blackpanthersystem seams much more stable and flexible.
Black Panther makes good stuff too! Totally different than what we have here. We think you'll be happy with either option though :)
Looks good, but way too much flex on those thin upper arms. They seem to need some kind of triangulation with the arms and the vertical upright to strengthen the whole thing, despite it adding yet more parts and complexity.
I'd buy a Z-Stand in red at some point. These look good quality for the price.
Or the Piano stand in red.
Can the top tier come down close and parallel to the bottom keyboard? I want to get a second MIDI manual to control my Nord Electro 2 73. I want it to be as similar to a dual manual organ as possible
Yes it can!
Nice.
I need a strong 2 tier keyboard stand for 2 heavy 88 keys. I don’t think that stand is solid enough for both 88’s. Do you?
I would have no problem putting two 88's on it. I literally sat on it and it was perfectly firm.
The second tier maximum weight is 60 pounds. My montage is 63 pounds
Can you add a third Keyboard to the stand ? or a third table ?
They apparently do have a third tier available for it.
Yes, you can. We need to create a video on this actually. To do a 3 tier setup, you will need the base stand (MS1111) and then 2 of the MS1087 and MS1118 2nd tiers. All 3 tiers will be able to adjust height and width independently. The middle tier is a little tight on space so we recommend clamping those arms on "sideways" which drops the height of them a few inches and gives you more room between the 2nd and 3rd tiers. Reach out if you want some exact specs.
@@liquidstands it would be a great if we could have a video on the third stand.
@@Venatt1 We will get one up here in the next 2 months. We are in the middle of updating our 2nd tier attachment so we did not want to put the video out there until we have the new upgraded 2nd tiers available. You're correct that we need it though :)
@@liquidstandsthat would be awesome, just make sure ALL stands have rubbers to avoid keyboards from sliding or been scratched.
The spacing is way too far apart between the Juno & the Montage for me. Plenty of wobble on the top tier also. Not that it would both me......if my 2-tier stand weighted next to zero and packed down to nothing like my Stay Music Slim stand I bought for gigging.
The spacing between the Juno and Montage is adjustable - I think I pointed that out. You can have the second tier higher or lower as you wish.
@@ScottsSynthStuff That would help.
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242You could also mount the second tier on the inner (moveable) parts which would bring the second tier closer to you as well.
The keys look miles too far apart. Us gigging musos need something this strong, portable at a sensible cost.
You can mount the second tier to the inner set of supports and bring them much closer if you like. It's pretty flexible.
@@ScottsSynthStuff Do they make a portable version?
@@andrewwelsh4968 See here: czcams.com/video/u-bRzolP7o0/video.html
Don’t like it….
That's okay, what do you like? Maybe we can work on something for you.