LOKI Episode 4 BREAKDOWN - Ending Explained, MCU Easter Eggs, and Time Travel EXPLAINED!
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Loki season 2 episode 4 is filled with Marvel Cinematic Universe Easter Eggs, but it also propels the MCU forward in the Multiverse Saga. In this episode we see the untimely demise of Victor Timely, AKA Kang the Conqueror or he Who Remains. We explain the ending, and how this ties into Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Avengers: Secret Wars, and Deadpool 3!
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I guess OB wasn't a bad guy...
If this particular episode is not the Best episode so far, I dont know what other ep can top this one! SIMPLY AMAZING! LOKI is the Best Marvel Series so Far!!!😮
How do you guys have early access to these episodes? it came out two hours ago and you have about 25 hours put into making this video......
The ankh is an ancient Egyptian symbol which symbolizes the many aspects of life, including physical life, eternal life, immortality, death, and reincarnation. and sylvie was wearing it on her ear
I predict Victor Timely knew exactly what he was doing and faked his own death. Bro is hiding his intelligence
I LOVEE when Loki says "it will all make sense soon, I promise you".. feels like he was talking to the audience 😁
There’s a lot of scenes throughout the entire show (especially S2) where he’s talking to the audience lol!
@@ZyliceLiddell which ones? I didn't feel it
Dude, Victor having the courage “let’s be brave” made it actually sad they killed him like that. I actually had a tear come out 😢
I was sure he was up to something, and just saying that to make them believe him. Thought he was going to betray them somehow, I actually still think it's probably part of his plan.
I'm sorry but I died laughing when he just bursted into spaghetti. I thought Loki was then going to walk out there (think some promo footage where he did). Looks like that didn't happen.
He died just like Mr. Fantastic!!!😱
It's a TV show....it's not real....he's fine...I know I saw him in court
@@pottedplant420god😂
I actually loved that hot cocoa scene. It was such a needed and well timed break from the very constant and heavy tension that the episode was providing. That scene, in my humble opinion, brought that episode from great to perfect.
It seems obvious to me. When Victor was spaghettified and became an infinite number of pieces, these pieces were absorbed into the infinite number of timelines going into the temporal loom. This inserted Victor’s essence (with his memories) across the multiverse and across time. This is why there are Kang’s from all over history, and this is why He Who Remains wanted Victor to be given the TVA guide-book - to set off this chain of events.
Yeah as soon as I saw him ripped to strands I thought about the loom and what it does, it's weaved Victor Timely allllllll throughout existence.... Makes perfect sense
Nail on the head.
I also think the child who received the book on the Sacred Timeline is not the one we meet at the world fair, but the one that Oraborus speaks of and is ultimately HWR at the end. Which is why Miss Minutes tells Victor he'll never be HWR, because he's a variant of the original boy which received the book
On a related note: when the same thing happens to the variant of Scott in Quantumania, if you look closely, the strands appear to be made up of smaller pieces twisted together like they're bits of rope and not individual strands like spaghetti noodles.
That’s what I thought too all part of the plan.
@@irishviking383I just watched the episode, and literally thought the same thing.
What if Timely being turned to Spaghetti results to him being scattered to the timelines, creating the multiple variants of Kang (like HWR, Rama Tut, Kang the Conquerer). Meaning that although Timely was from a branched timeline, he is the OG Kang variant?
He who remains is Kant the conqueror since they were wearing the exact same outfit so that would make sense
Correct that’s what ob explained ep 3
I doubt it. Sylvie still has the TempPad plus they're able to use their powers and time travel in the TVA now because Loki PRUNED Loki!
Yes I was thinking that, the physics of it being spaghetti just looked like the branched timelines, I think what's going to happen now is that either all of the people of the tva are going to end up in random branched timelines and time periods or all in one place.
That's what I thought as well 😅
This ep was absolute fire. This is what takes our minds blown out. Loki lowkey carrying mcu on his back. Incredible shift of events, no way next Thursday is so far away
this is the best mcu tv series without showrunner~~
I think victor time slipped to the 31st century he will become he who remains because of that remember he said “a variant from the 31st century” and wasn’t it the same affect as when lokj time slipped victor will refine his tech I think and become HWR / The conquerer that’s why the timeline boomed because he who remains rise just started and this is the true start of the multiversal war and chaos.
High key*
@@snramadhan without a showrunner? Isn’t it Eric Martin?
@@sarcophage I'm referring to how Marvel overhaul their tv series because the daredevil incident ~
"It didn’t hire showrunners, but instead depended on film executives to run its series."
And yeah,, Eric Martin is the writer of Loki,, not the showrunner~
Kudos to the Miss Minutes animators, the attention to detail and mastery of making a tiny, orange clock show such intricate emotions is amazing.
Best of luck with their unionization efforts, they deserve it.
Victor Timely obsession with hot coco machine was not weird. It was hilarious and expressed his characters as light hearted and if course curious with technology
It was a reference to men in black chocolate helps relieve temporal headaches
@@sweet_Elijah men in black 3 I’m guessing but when did they mention that?
I think Loki has been the best Marvel viewing experience since WandaVision and I’m very happy as a huge MCU fan, that they were able to drive a lot more hype back into the MCU this way
Agreed,but I enjoyed 2/3s of moonknight quite a bit.
WandaVision and Loki are the only shows I care about. I don't trust Marvel to handle anything else.
I think this is the best episode of any MCU show, it felt like a finale, like I genuinely forgot it wasn't the finale as the explosion played out, and it weirdly shocked me seeing this video being "episode 4".
This and What If Episode 4
Maybe it was a mid-season finale? I feel like season 2 may have 8 episodes instead of 6
what’s crazy is truly how smart kang is. He knows how every single aspect of his life is going to play out and how he’s gonna end up exactly back to where he is. Even from the smallest things such as telling Silvie he’s going to see her soon in which victor meets her not long after
I think victor time slipped to the 31st century he will become he who remains because of that remember he said “a variant from the 31st century” and wasn’t it the same affect as when lokj time slipped victor will refine his tech I think and become HWR / The conquerer that’s why the timeline boomed because he who remains rise just started and this is the true start of the multiversal war and chaos.
Does that mean he takes the same shit infinite times?
The scene where OB and Victor found out they inspired each other was hilarious and my fav so far, also the way they connecting the dots is just incredible . All in all the Loki show is on the course to become one of the greatest shows of all time, if only they don’t fuck it up towards the end as Marvel tends to do with their shows aside from one or two shows out of many.. Also can we take a minute to appreciate Jonathan Majors acting skills!! Having to act three similar yet very different characters so good is no small feat, despite the controversy surrounding his personal life, his acting skills so far has been superb and I’m confident that he will deeply mark his name in MCU like many iconic actors.
Victor Timely: I'M A SUPERHEROOOOO-
😂😂😂😅literally
- Spaghetti-fied
That cube moment actually shocked me. Didn't expect something like that from the MCU
I was a bit disturbed as well. Miss Minutes was enjoying that ****WAY**** to much.
Wish we could see some blood all that
@@shawcutz1103 probably too TV-MA.
I kept thinking "ain't no way they're actually gonna off them." And then they did. And then they had to show miss minutes face🥲
Them killing people like that and killing off Timely at the end was something I NEVER EXPECT from playing it safe and bland MCU and Disney. I'm glad they're actually taking risks.
This episode was an absolute banger. I figured it would be as it was the fourth episode. That being said, I think we need to take a moment appreciate Jonathan Majors' acting. In the event that Victor Timely, Kang the Conqueror in Quantumainia, and HWR from the end of the first season are the same person then we are getting a tour de force of ability. He is giving us distinct, yet similar versions of the early years of the character when he is excitable, the middle years where he is battle weary but will still end you in a heartbeat if it means achieving his goals, and the final years where he has literally seen and done it all and he can only wait for Loki and Sylvie to show up. And in his final years you see some of the mannerisms and speech patterns of Timely, minus the stutter. And you also see in him the warrior that truly believed a multiversal war and the eventual TVA were the absolute best way to keep the rest of the timeline safe. All the while he has developed an eccentricity of someone that has been alone for a very long time and needed to find some way to entertain themselves. I have found it all enthralling and I can't wait to see what he does with other variants in the later movies.
He who remains said himself that he's lived a million lifetimes. And if that's the case then it only makes sense that after all that time his personality would go through some drastic changes. Making us believe that we're seeing different variants of him when it's really just the same person
Victor Timely is He Who Remains. I found something interesting and wanted others to let me know their thoughts. He Who Remains mentions he is from the 31st century in episode 6 of season 1. I found out that 1868 and 1893 are the years 3034 and 3059 in the Discordian calendar (the 31st century). According to Wikipedia, “Discordinsim is a religion devoted to Eris, the Greek goddess of strife and discord…” “The three core principles: the Aneristic and Eristic principles representing-order and disorder, and the notion that both are mere illusions.”
great
Not sure if the original writer got inspiration for that from what you've said, but the 31st century Dr Richards is the origin in the comics, and Victor Timely is comic based too I believe. Victor was sent through time when he was a child to live in the 19th century so that he wouldn't become a Kang variant
Victor got sucked into time, and just like Kang in the comics, now he's everywhen...
This is the best writing I've seen from marvel in ages!
Easily the best episode of season 2 so far! Wow. Brutal at times (For the MCU osln Disney+ at least) and honestly just really entertaining throughout. Tense even a bit, with a great cliffhanger. Really dug this one! Poor Loki, he tries.
For the MCU and Disney+ I meant. Don't know what I did there.
I think victor time slipped to the 31st century he will become he who remains because of that remember he said “a variant from the 31st century” and wasn’t it the same affect as when lokj time slipped victor will refine his tech I think and become HWR / The conquerer that’s why the timeline boomed because he who remains rise just started and this is the true start of the multiversal war and chaos.
@@ahronthegreat I definitely think that is a good possibility.
Loki carrying the whole MCU on its back. Creatively, storywise, writing, acting, far better than anything else at least on this phase.
And we just witnessed Kang's origin.
The writer was on fire during that scene where Loki talks about whats easy and whats hard. But how Tom delivered it... The man truly is a god.
this episode was truly remarkable. Loki continues to be the best MCU show and i cant wait to see how the season ends!!!
I think victor time slipped to the 31st century he will become he who remains because of that remember he said “a variant from the 31st century” and wasn’t it the same affect as when lokj time slipped victor will refine his tech I think and become HWR / The conquerer that’s why the timeline boomed because he who remains rise just started and this is the true start of the multiversal war and chaos.
Hawkeye was thoroughly entertaining we just haven’t seen the fruits of it’s story line yet be patient
Echo daredevil and more Hawkeye
We can see a straight line to the Kang dynasty movies i can’t wait to see majors do more he is really great at making these variants different people thru mannerisms they are nothing alike and I love it
His range as an actor is showing
I will say this again and again…THE SHOWRUNNERS OF THIS SHOW NEED TO BE THE MAIN WRITERS FOR THE REST OF THE KANG SAGA! And yes, I had to yell that. Haha but seriously though, this should be the vibe of this rest of the phases until we get Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
Bingo
they don't have show runners, at least didn't when they made it, moving forward mcu shows will follow traditional tv production standards but loki was the last to be made in marvel's re-invention of the medium, but i 100% agree with you. they. get. it.
Unbelievable how phenomenal this episode was, it had everythang !
OB Meeting Victor, jokes, plotting by Renslayer and Ms Minutes, uncovering secrets while leaving with more speculations, love it ! 🤩
I'm loving this season and the talent of the writers and how they developed the plot really shone in the conversation between Loki and Sylvie in the pie room. The conflict between those two variants is represented by their different upbringing: Loki, who was part of a ruling class of Gods, understood the importance of the TVA's responsibility in helping to manage the timelines and "bring order to chaos." Sylvie, having that royal history stolen from her and growing up as a renegade, want to burn it all down and let each timeline live in their own terms. This is a beautiful representation of both sides of Loki, his anarchist and authoritarian selves and ideas in conflict struggling for a resolution. Love how the story has this tonality without being too preachy politically.
OMG perfectly put 👏 Loved their conversation, it was carried out perfectly by the both of actors, bravo 👏
I don't know if you're right or not, but it seems most agree that episode 4 was pretty fantastic across the board...creatively, narratively, shock-factor wise and more! I need the next episode to drop sooner!
can you please help me a link to watch loki s2 ep4 bcoz my previous site is not functioning
I think victor time slipped to the 31st century he will become he who remains because of that remember he said “a variant from the 31st century” and wasn’t it the same affect as when lokj time slipped victor will refine his tech I think and become HWR / The conquerer that’s why the timeline boomed because he who remains rise just started and this is the true start of the multiversal war and chaos.
@ahronthegreat I don't know.. he kind of turned into spaghetti as OB described... with bones showing too! Loki time slipping wasn't as bad. I think Loki will time slip to the past and keep redoing things to try to get it right... but yeah at some point I guess we do have to have that war... in the Kang dynasty...
@@gerrigarrick mehhh it’s marvel bro lol who knows turning into spaghetti might be a good thing haha
@ahronthegreat just watched an interesting video theorizing that someone will use the tempad to send them all to the past, where loki will start time slipping again, but they'll have multiple chances to do things differently... not sure how Victor fits into that, but that much makes sense to me, based on the trailers....
This was a fantastic episode. Jaw dropping surprise ending. Really like Victor Timely, was crestfallen when he spaghettified!😢
can you please help me a link to watch loki s2 ep4 bcoz my previous site is not functioning
The Victor Timely death felt so off beat and shocking. Its as if Marvel are telling us the introductions to this phase are over and its time for consequences.
Edit: Also the coffee scene is odd because he is looking the direction Brad is coming, and does that snap to distract the TVA guy, almost to mask the rod powerup noise. Maybe he wanted to be caught to tell Revona something "they would like to hear"
Truly one of the most incredible Marvel moments ever. I hope they can use this series to tie together some of the stuff we’ve seen in Phase 4 and 5. 🙌🙌
At the 25:45 mark of this video, Ryan points out the “seeds for what makes Kang Kang”. “The desire for power, the desire to rule, the desire to prove himself.” The whole first season, they talked about “what makes a Loki a Loki”. It seem like the have the exact same elements at their core. Ryan, you could do a video on how Loki and Kang are the same. Not that Loki is a variant of Kang, but at their core, they have matching “temporal auras” (which must have something to do with the soul because the gatekeeper that captures and image of your AURA asked specifically about their soul”).
Maybe that’s why he selected Loki to run the TVA. He knows what it takes to run the TVA. He pick someone who uses the illusion of force, to inspire fear. He who remains knows that in order to rule, your subjects can’t have free will, so he picked a guy who monologues about how FREEDOM is life’s great lie and he alone can save their lives from freedom.
My theory is that He who Remains… and all Kings think they have to take away free will. Loki has gone on this character journey where he has learned how to value life… you could say he’s learning how to be a benevolent god. I think Kang put him on the journey with Silvie to rule the TVA that no other Kang possibly can. I think at the end of the multiverse phase, Kang will be defeated, and Loki will play a pivotal role in resetting the timeline in a way where there is Freewill, Kang is not in control of anyone’s destiny anymore. He will probably even sacrifice himself in battle to ensure this happens. It’s ok. He’ll go to Valhalla
This would be great
I think victor time slipped to the 31st century he will become he who remains because of that remember he said “a variant from the 31st century” and wasn’t it the same affect as when lokj time slipped victor will refine his tech I think and become HWR / The conquerer that’s why the timeline boomed because he who remains rise just started and this is the true start of the multiversal war and chaos.
Time is a Loop. Kang will never be deafeated. Season 1 ep 1 will forever be repeated. _All_ is as He who remains explained,... "For all time, Always."
Now this here just reminded me of Vision asking Vision if Vision, "was familiar with the thought experiment, 'The Ship of Theseus.'" Kang, the variants, this hoolahoop, all are basically the ship.
@@smakajo400
Vision: I am dropping some really heavy philosophical shit on everyone!
He who remains: Hold My Beer
Kang: Both of you, hold my beer.
Council of Kangs: Hold all our beers!!!
This was an absolutely fantastic episode and my favorite so far! I didn't expect the Spaghettification to happen, that caught me by surprise!
I absolutely love Doug. From his rant ab the mailman to his questioning of your mental health, and my favorite "maybe its just a hexagon", Doug is the absolute best. High five!
I love the fact that Victor Timely looks like Kang when he's in the space suit. The mask is blue... coincidence? I tend to think not.
The OB episode! The best MCU series for all time! I’m loving this show
Knees weak arms are heavy, vomit on the suit already, it’s Timely’s spaghetti
@@garyfrombrooklyn😂
can you please help me a link to watch loki s2 ep4 bcoz my previous site is not functioning
first one always has subtitles so i prefer it over the latter
This made me laugh for a while thank you@@garyfrombrooklyn
This episode was absolutely phenomenal! I was actually left speechless! Loki is on another level for Marvel TV! 10/10. Kinda sucks that the show is getting review dropped on Rotten Tomatoes, tho. It's dropped 12% in the last 2 days.
Critics from Rotten tomatoes have been proven to be biased.
@denverjohnson5640 I'm specifically referring to the audience score. I believe people have been reviewed by me because they don't like Jonathan majors being a part of the show because of the accusations and a few other reasons. I heard they're planning on dropping it to the 50s.
@@Marvelousgamer7697I mean that's Jonathan Majors' fault, maybe if he was a decent person 🤷♀️it sucks that the hard work of all the staff and the actors are going to the bin bc they just one selfish actor decided to be a horrible human being
@@karlitatv I feel bad for the entire crew because of the show they worked on is getting reviewed bombed just because of one actor on the production so I really don't think this should be happening
@Marvelousgamer7697 Ahhhhh. I see. So what happens if he is found innocent do you think?
Loving this season of Loki as I find the idea of this multiverse being so unstable is fascinating!
Awesome breakdown as always. A good thing to remember is that the Loki we’re watching isn’t the same one that went through the character growth seen in Dark World and Ragnarok. He’s only witnessed the Prime Loki’s experience (and death) through the TVA recordings. This one is still fresh from his loss in the first Avengers movie so he definitely still has lingering notions for his “Glorious Purpose” and is going through a separate character arc now
I was a little confused why Miss Minuets would bother helping Ravonna in the first place since Kang/Victor spurned her advances, preferring Ravonna instead. But perhaps it's a mutual feeling of scorned contempt for Kang/Victor from both Ravonna and Miss Minuets that drives them to work together.
She's not working with her like you imagine I bet.
Once she gets a body, Ravona is of no use to Mrs Minutes. I bet this is how she'll die. Mrs Minutes is the biggest psychopath marvel has given us yet!
@@aaronmcmillen8140I was thinking the same thing!!!!
Minutes*
Yeah it's called trauma bonding...no different than two baby mommas working together to cause hell for a man cause he caused hell for them first...lol
I think MM is just being a weirdo I mean this guy is from1893 and out of nowhere this cartoon clock starts acting like a stalker all he did was put the genie back in the bottle I guess she felt her biological clock ticking lol
Loki is becoming more then a hero. A true leader.
This episode was dense with information. Finally something worth rewatching.
Seriously don’t understand why this show got bad reviews. I absolutely love it.
That ending was so amazing I’m so exited for next week
I wasn’t expecting a cliffhanger I’m way too impatient to wait a whole week for the next episode😮💨
Isn't that how most episodes work haha
The expression that lit up Loki's face when Sylvie stated they were playing God, it was like he was remembering/realizing his glorious purpose
Tom Hiddleston said in an interview that all Loki really wanted was to be part of Thor's warriors but Thor was the typical older brother and he was left out. Now in Loki not only is he part of a team he's the hero and enjoying it.
I'm shocked how quick you guys got this out. Do you guys even get to enjoy the content you breakdown cause it's some serious dedication!
A lot of the CZcamsrs saw episodes 1-4 during a prescreening. They already knew what was going to happen.
@@GOONIETONYId hate to see this episode, then have to wait over a month like they did!
So you're saying he didn't predict loki pruning himself. He just knew.
Edit. Was only joking, love the channel.
@@1335AjHI would imagine they took notes for each of the episode breakdowns after simply watching each episode. Wouldn’t make sense for them to be the only ones to “predict” it was Loki pruning himself if everyone who saw it early just knew.
Also it’s not entirely surprising that it was Loki himself, considering all of the ouroborous references and other time travel stories like Harry Potter having self fulfilling time loops.
@@1335AjHI would assume that Screencrush watches an episode, makes their breakdown, then repeat with the next episodes.
Holy shit this episode was so good I am absolutely mind blown by the gruesomeness and emotion
When Ms Minutes blinks back on and says "You are never going to be him" it was super similar to the scene in the first Resident Evil movie where the Red Queen say "You are all going to die down here" just before they rebooted her.. I know I can't be the only one who noticed that
The hatred/anguish in Brad is just so convincing. Great acting!
This episode was BEYOND insane.
This is the type of nightmare Doc Brown from Back To The Future dread so much when time is obliterated 😳😳
If the magic blocker in TVA was disabled would that mean all those Infinity Stones in Casey’s drawer would work there too
It might be a plot hole, if they dont retconned the infinity stones in the series.
They only work in the universe they came from, that’s why they weren’t working
@@laynesabowouldn’t make sense, considering in Endgame they collect stones from different universes/timelines and use them in the main MCU
@@BluSeventyTwo They get stones from the same universe but different times along the same line.
Honestly i think when the avengers time traveled they time traveled only in the scared time-line. That could explain how captain American was old in the time
Victor going all spaghetti in this episode like Reed Richards going all spaghetti in Multiverse of Madness is another interesting descendant take, given the history of Kamg in the comics.
He who remains …no wait …..Victor timely knows everything because of the book …which I think it’s the reason why he so stoic & relax throughout everything…..he don’t seem afraid of nothing and see pretty comfortable
Holy crap that ending. There are still 2 episodes left.
There's still that line in the first season where Loki says to himself "is this the ultimate power in the universe"? Showing that Loki could secretly want to lead or be part of the mightiest organization. So I think yes Loki still wants power.
After Loki and Sylvie's conversation about taking responsibility for humanity, I have the impression that Loki spoke honestly in Stuttgart. It seems that Loki still believes that he is made to rule.
@@annagora8696He *IS!*
Great episode of Loki and ScreenCrush.
I can't imagein a scenario where "He Who Remains''" #1 deputy isn't on good terms with Alioth. I see her going right back to He Who Remains was and starting over.
I think the beauty of Owen Wilson's performance all along has been that detachedness from his own humanity way of interacting with the other characters and how his constant refusal to find out about his past life isn't so much him avoiding the pain of regret for a life unlived but more that he can only do his job if he can think of other lives as merely blips on some grandiose spreadsheet he has to scroll through for his 9-5. I think his performance is showcasing well what someone might lose of their humanity in order to cope with the responsibility of effectively entry-level clerical janitors of entire existences
Tom Hiddlestone is the secret core of the MCU since the beginning. He's solely carrying the whole IP at this point now.
Tom is the unsung hero of the MCU now. He is doing his best job as Loki, Add to that the Amazing Chemistry with Owen Wilson and off course, Jonathan Majors is on FIRE too.
Guardians
Man, you guys, analysis is spot, no.I Shed a tear for victor too😢
I'm so amazed how fast you guys pop out these videos. So much good information.. Thank you.
Jaw dropping episode! Loved it!
Every time I watch this channel it’s further cemented as my favorite review/breakdown channel
I don't think WHR and Victor Timely are the same people. 1st of all Miss Minute says you're not HWR and second, Victor Timely came from a branched timeline specifically. On the other hand, HWR told us that he was living in the 31st century before he'd met his variants.
HWR*
He said a variant “of me” lived in the 31st century. Not him
Also it could be HWR was Victor and he beat the 30th century version of himself.
@@noobatnothing yeah, thanks, edited.
@@wobsoriano maybe something like this. But, let me tell you one more thing to think about it. There's still a victor timely in our sacred timeline who hasn't got a TVA book by Ravonna and Miss Minute in 1868 Because when main Victor Timely got that TVA book, he became a variant like Loki in 2012. Loki -the sacred timeline- is actually dead as you know. So, we actually still don't know our main Victor's real life choices and what he actually did without having book.
Out of all the CZcams channels out there to choose from, screencrush is by far one of the BEST to follow.
This episode was excellent. Loved it!
To all those that had the theory that the ‘big secret’ was Ravona being a Kang variant, I told y’all that was too far-fetched. 😂
Exactly like they already pulled that gimmick before no need to do it again 😂. Then the only reasoning was cause Loki had a girl variant 🤦🏾♂️
That + thinking it wasn't Loki pruning himself 😂
@@sensaiuriah5440 and on top of that, because Loki had that “self love with his variant”, they assumed they would pull the same thing with HWR. People had the theory that OB was a Kang variant too, which was also proved wrong in this episode. Not everyone has to be a Kang variant 😂 Plus I’m pretty sure Jonathan Majors is playing as all of the variants, so if it’s not Majors as the character, we can safely assume they are NOT a Kang variant.
can you please help me a link to watch loki s2 ep4 bcoz my previous site is not functioning
Yeah it didn't make sense
Victor Timely is definitely not done yet. Remember he still has to guide OB in writing the book .
So i think its all aprt of the plan. He will be back.
Likely yeah but also from what NR said it could be that Miss Minutes has ruined the plan that was meant to be now Loki will have to time slip back to try and change things
Why would he time slip again and why would he have to help him write a book that's already written? They literally asked the other to sign their manual.
@@Unknown_-bt8uv idk about the book, but Loki S2 trailer had more time slipping scenes, ig now that the loom exploded, he will start time slipping, the reason of him time slipping from the beginning of this season still remains a mystery though.
I believe that the next episode will begin with Loki being back in Thor or Avengers 1 as all of the call backs to past events in other movies seems to be foreshadowing more than just Lokis change in character.
Great analysis, thank you
This episode was a total mind fuck, and I loved it. So many things happened and it totally had me on the edge of my seat. Regarding Dox and the cube, she deserved it, but it took me completely by surprise and seeing Ravonna get pruned was really satisfying though, it would've been more satisfying if Sylvie actually did it instead of Brad being enchanted by her. With Victor being captivated by hot chocolate, I thought that was funny how someone who invents all these grandiose things can be enthralled by something as simple as a warm drink. And about Victor's fate walking into the loom, I don't know what happened. I don't know if he's dead, or if he's going to meet the Kang from Quantomania. This episode just went in so many different directions. MARVEL IS BACK!
At this point, I feel like every Kang we meet is gonna die but with many possible ways for him to come back as the "main villain Kang" until Marvel actually starts writing the next Avengers movie.
I hope by then, we'll get at least ONE proper origin story
can you please help me a link to watch loki s2 ep4 bcoz my previous site is not functioning
This whole show is a ‘mind fuck.’
After watching this episode, I'm still formulating my theory, but one evident thing in this episode that also connects to Quantumania is size and objects not "being to scale". The mini recording Miss Minutes showed to the diorama OB constructed of the temporal loom were all miniaturized. I believe that if Victor had been "to scale," he wouldn't have suffered spaghettification. Case and point, in Quantumania, Scott didn't start to separate until he tried to enlarge while he was in the radiation of the probability storm. With Kang's knowledge working in loop, he had to figure this out and put things in place so he'd come in contact with Antman or a hero who could manipulate size in relation to particles/sub atomic particles (still a working hypothesis)... Also, he totally threw that fight against the Ant-Family so he could become one with his "life's work" and obtain power. No way he wanted to escape like he told them (he's a con-man, don't forget).
can you please help me a link to watch loki s2 ep4 bcoz my previous site is not functioning
Wow, just wow. Episode 4 of Loki was just utterly spectacular in every way conceivable. Bring on Episode 5.
Love the your channel! "maybe it's just a hexagon..." Love it!
This was amazing episode!!!
The way that Dox addresses X5 makes it appear as though they may be relatives in timelines outside the TVA.
Had to pause the show for a second to just say this, Miss Minutes is a freaking psychopath.
Back to an awesome episode, I will watch the breakdown when I'm done haha.
I think the next episode will be a castaway type episode where they were all returned to their original timelines as they are no longer outside time. Timely may have been playing them too, remember when she asked where the device was he said she was going to like his answer. I think he suggested using his orb either because it would then be powered up by the Radiation giving him his immortality or he was instead spread throughout time (aka Clara's ending in Doctor Who where she spreads herself into each of the Doctors time streams) so now multiple versions of Timely/Kang will emerge in different time periods.
I just gotta say. This episode, creepiest episode ever! Right on Halloween weekend? Perfect!
The ending was super ominous imo, the music cutting and the screen going to black gave me chills lmfao
Just wanted say thank you for the awesome content. Your the channel I go to see Easter eggs and recaps of marvel and star wars content
That was a lot of fun to watch, very interesting! I loved that awkward pause after "or maybe it's just a hexagon" 😂😂😂 I find myself thinking that WAY TOO often when I watch breakdown videos hahaha
I appreciate your hard work and steady dedi to this channel. The fact that you managed to bang this video out so quickly leads me to believe you have early access which I gotta say, that's pretty awesome! If I'm wrong about that, it just further reinforces my first statement. Appreciate you brother🤙
can you please help me a link to watch loki s2 ep4 bcoz my previous site is not functioning
They were able to watch the first 4 episodes before episode one came out for the public. Why do you think everything they’ve talked about for each episode was a main point of interest in this episode. They knew what happened this whole time. Not really hard work.
WHY DID THEY TURN MR TIMELY INTO SPAGHETTI? 😭
Because they had extra marinara.
His knees were weak
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A cool detail i noticed also in the scene where victor and ob meet is the difference in their tva manuals. Victors is darker abd worn, showing how much hes flipped through and handled it... while obs is still bright orange and looking freshly printed. I dont know if it means anything special but it is a nice little continuity detail.
I have suspicions about that coffee scene.. it to me at least played out as if Victor timely was following instructions. Like he was waiting to hear the word coffee machine ... I don't know to explain it... I have a theory that the TVA handbook secretly describes what's supposed to happen and Victor timely it's going with the plan, like he knew he was the one who was supposed to go out to the loom and he was supposed to stall Ravona ... I dunno.. I'm still working it out in my head lol ...MAYBE the next episode will have everyone wake up on their own timeline or something... we'll see Mobius riding a jetski ....I missed feeling this excited about the MCU... I think the last time I was just excited was an episode of Wanda vision when Wanda's brother showed up at the door....
such an intense episode!
I loved when Mobius said he wouldn’t download games again on his tempad 😂
I stay laughing at Doug yo, "Or it could be just a hexagon" 😂😂😂
I'm still very much considering the possibility that Victor Timely's "demise" was part of a massive plan by Victor. He's been shown to be a conman, and I find it strange how he volunteered himself for this incredibly dangerous mission. He seemed to be making up excuses for why he should be the one to go. Something seems fishy. If not Victor's plan, I think it was definitely planned out by He Who Remains.
Sounds pretty viable.
Yeah I’m glad I’m not the only one suspicious of victor timely
I am like “WTF”? When Victor gets spaghetti-fied. And Dox and her team get killed with Miss Minutes' sadistic looks creeped me out.
Also what happened to Victor is like when Wanda killed Reed in Multiverse o Madness.
When Timely was interested in hot cocoa during this time chaos it reminded me of MIB 3.
When Boris the Animal traveled back in time and killed K and altered J present, he suddenly had the urge to drink chocolate milk, then agent O sad that the obssesion with chocolate milk indicates that you might be involved in a temporal fracture.
As Always very cool easter egg and breakdown video!
I missed only one (in my opinion) important detail at the end, when theorizing about how Kang will end up at the end of time with Ravonna ( her being pruned) that Loki also Pruned himself! - no less his younger self without all the knowledge of episode 2-4 knowledge, which is going to be very interesting to see in my opinion.
Also worth mentioning that Loki, is still in a status of constant time slipping! Wonder how that is going to pan out.
Great video as always, keep up the good work!
This Show has been a blast! My god first time I am this hyped since Wandavision maybe. Jonathan Majors is a Fucking Legend. They guy will carry this Phase. What an amazing addition to have Owen Wilson Here and Tom hiddleston is on fire this season. What a show this is.
@ScreenCrush here is a question, when OB restarted the System and Loki & Sylvie were able to use magic, does it also means that the Infinity stone can be used at that time?
He who remains stutters and blinks like Victor Timely when he says “See you soon”
Loki is a great show, your recommendation got me to check it out.
My jaw hung open for about 5 minutes after Victor spaghettified 😭
Fr this ep was absolute fire
@@eliancoronel2038 Hell yeah. Next week couldn’t come fast enough
2:37, There’s also the possibility that this palace has been repeatedly damaged and rebuilt over the course of various iterations of multiverse being destroyed and replaced with new iterations, as this space where the palace lies is outside any timeline. And with every new iteration of the multiverse escaping containment and regenerating, another version of He Who Remains comes into being, presumably armed by the previous version with special knowledge (or more specifically access to Alioth if we’re to assume there has only been one previous iteration of He Who Remains and the Multiversal War since Alioth is assumed to have only been created once and has no other version of it) that would allow him to win the war and take his place.
10:56, Due to the concept of variants, branching timelines, and timelines being destroyed and replaced with replicas of themselves, it doesn’t necessarily mean that a specific version of Nathaniel has to meet this specific version of O.B., as the multiverse and every variant that isn’t part of the TVA or resides in the Void or the Citadel died when the previous multiverse was destroyed by Alioth amd replaced with the current iteration when the Sacred Timeline breached containment. From O.B’s perspective as someone who lives at the TVA and is therefore outside of normal time, this version of Victor only recently came into existence around the time Sylvie killed He Who Remains the Temporal Loom began overloading.
21:42, Similar to how they combine retrofuturistic sci-fi music and 80’s synth with dramatic orchestral themes (with heavy emphasis on violins that are meant to symbolize Loki’s Norse inspiration), they appear to be pulling from Victor Timely’s era for music involving him. Having musical themes that break out of shows sci-fi format also somewhat links this version of Loki who has reformed himself and has overcome his flaws with this less malevolent version of Victor Timely who genuinely wanted to be a better person than his variants are before he was killed.
23:46, An important distinction that is subtly made by this plot point is that only in dimensions outside of time that have their own rules of how time works like the TVA (and presumably places like the Void, the Citadel, Quantum Realm or the Dark Dimension can interacting with that dimension’s past warp reality rather than create a branch. With the creation and destruction of branches, no future is able to interact with it’s own past to directly affect or create itself. Loki having to prune himself is the only real time loop in the show in a sense, as Loki interacting with his past while in the TVA does affect his current self and allows him to exist, while the TVA and Multiversal War loop result in the erasure and replacement of both by newer versions (just like this Victor Timely isn’t the one that knew and worked with O.B. originally) and are carefully planned around by He Who Remains, who had eons to make the necessary arrangements to ensure he successor but also had no way of directly effecting the outcome if one of the pieces of his plan were taken off the board, especially now that he’s dead.
25:47, Her telling him that he will never be He Who Remains (while a possible reference to Loki’s last line to Thanos before his death, dismissing the idea that he would ever be a “god”) may also just be foreshadowing his impending death, meaning that another Kang variant will soon arise and attempt to take the position of He Who Remains himself. The idea of variants specifically implies that there are any number of possible candidates out there that have a shot at replacing He Who Remains without actually having to be a specific version of him, especially if Victor’s death means that He Who Remains’ plans are being disrupted by Loki and Ravonna’s actions as well as this Victor truly being less greedy and malevolent than his counterparts and him seeing these murals only makes him more disturbed at what “terrible, awful things” these other versions of him have done and have sacrificed simply for power (along with the added horror that He Who Remains isn’t even the worst version of him as there are many who are now out there and more on the way the longer the Loom remains unfixed).
26:27, She’s shown in trailers to be near Alioth in the Void, but it remains to be seen if Alioth disintegrates her or not.
27:12, This specific version of Victor is likely going to stay dead (even if his counterpart on the Sacred Timeline and now the fully regenerated multiverse still exists), but that only means he isn’t going to replace He Who Remains, but now that the multiverse has breached containment, Victor specifically doesn’t need to be the one who replaces He Who Remains, but can never truly become him since him being a variant inherently means he is a separate being from any other version of him that interacts with the multiverse (which may be another reason behind Miss Minutes’ last words claiming Victor will never be He Who Remains).
29:47, Being a separate being to his other variants, she would always only be meeting a variant of him, which can also tie back in with the distinction of Ravager Gamora not really being the “real” Gamora that Peter and the Guardians knew and loved, which she repeatedly iterates throughout Guardians 3. This demonstrates how despite the possibility of time travel and multiversal counterparts, these variants are all separate beings that once dead, can’t ever truly be replaced by other variants due to them all being inherently separate beings with the ability to have unique experiences (and therefore, different personalities) from each other. This is also what makes this version of Loki matter, as he is not the same character as his film counterpart in more than a few ways and is the only version of himself who has experienced what he has experienced, which would make his death something that couldn’t be truly undone by the introduction of another variant of him, as that variant again would be a separate being with their own experiences.
29:52, He Who Remains claimed he discovered Alioth in the cracks of dimensional rifts, not that Alioth was fully formed, waiting for him in the Void to tame it. Alioth’s creation could also be a way to measure just how many multiversal cycles there have been. If we assume it was only made once and there isn’t another version of it out there in existence or that if there were other Alioths made in each cycle that it destroys the previous one, then there has only ever been one other multiversal cycle. But furthermore, if not all versions of the cycle are exactly the same in terms of exact details and events, Ravonna may not really be instrumental in winning the Multiversal War, especially since any version of him or Kang that would manage to gain access to it would automatically have the means to end the war. For now, Alioth appears to be the primary key to how this war could potentially end and what these new Kangs of this new version of the multiverse would be fighting over to ensure they’re victory over the others.
What an incredible episode