ITBs SCREAMING to 10,000 RPM on the Dyno

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  • čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
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    00:00 - Intro
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  • @Weimerica8841
    @Weimerica8841 Před rokem +533

    Honda bois in shambles, everyone knows K20s make 500whp unopened 😂

    • @Weimerica8841
      @Weimerica8841 Před rokem +30

      @@z3dz 2AR chads rise up

    • @mattcormier983
      @mattcormier983 Před rokem

      With a turbo...not ITB's. If they think that, they've retarded more than their timing.

    • @CL9k24a3
      @CL9k24a3 Před rokem +11

      they made stock fbo power with big mods... What is your point ?

    • @AKK5I
      @AKK5I Před rokem +9

      vtec bros coping so hard rn

    • @coreyfryer2712
      @coreyfryer2712 Před rokem +12

      @@CL9k24a3I think he’s saying that a lot of the K20 guys were expecting 250+ but were completely surprised.

  • @TrackSol
    @TrackSol Před rokem +1593

    ITBs are generally known more for their throttle response and sound instead of big power. That being said, the “wall” at 8000 could be due to a multitude of things, from the head package (cams, ports, chambers), to exhaust pairings or primary sizes. My guess is you guys need a biger cam with more duration for the flow requirements of the ITBs.
    EDIT: Going back to the engine build video, the cams used are the Drag Cartel 003.2 cams, and the dyno chart on their website shows peak at 8000 RPM. The Hoonigan Skunk2 K24 10K RPM build used Skunk2 Ultra 2 camshafts.
    (EDIT2)
    The drag 003.2 specs:
    Intake: 13.8 mm Lift / 254 Duration @ .050
    Exhaust: 13.2 mm Lift / 250 Duration @ .050
    The S2 Ultra 2 specs:
    Intake - Lift: .560"/ Duration 270° @ 1mm
    Exhaust - Lift: .535"/ Duration 270° @ 1mm
    Thats a big difference in duration 254/250 vs 270/270…
    (EDIT3)
    Corrected the Skunk2 duration @ 1mm lift
    (EDIT 4)
    Converted cam specs for @dooby1445 to show I’m not a caveman:
    The drag 003.2 specs:
    Intake: 13.8 mm Lift / 254 Duration @ 1.27mm
    Exhaust: 13.2 mm Lift / 250 Duration @ 1.27mm
    The S2 Ultra 2 specs:
    Intake - Lift: 14.224mm / Duration 270° @ 1mm
    Exhaust - Lift: 13.589mm / Duration 270° @ 1mm

  • @GearsandGasoline
    @GearsandGasoline  Před rokem +916

    Just to restate what was already said in the video: we're not super impressed with the power the car made, but making horsepower on small, NA engines is all about finding the perfect recipe for flow. Nothing on the exhaust side has been optimized yet, and we have a lot of brains to pick in the all-motor ITB community about what the best combo is for power. Here, we just wanted to get the car running and driving. Can't wait to revisit the dyno with more of a game plan to make power.

    • @gavinoliver8074
      @gavinoliver8074 Před rokem +41

      I know you guys will figure it out. Every build takes time. Thank you for the years of uploads and content. Gavin, uk.

    • @garagecedric
      @garagecedric Před rokem +13

      What does a std k20 produce on that dyno? Comparing to other dynojet inflated numbers isnt the best.

    • @samnolte749
      @samnolte749 Před rokem +83

      To paraphrase the great Obi Wan: "You will soon be back, and with greater numbers".

    • @dunno9046
      @dunno9046 Před rokem +5

      My face actual lights up when I see a new Gears and Gasoline video

    • @GearsandGasoline
      @GearsandGasoline  Před rokem +52

      @@garagecedric fbo on that dyno is around 200 I believe

  • @Bradp72
    @Bradp72 Před rokem +406

    with the ITB's you need to look at pulse timing between the exhaust and intake, you may find playing with trumpet lengths as well as ex primary lengths may where your extra power will be hidden, it might be worth putting a single throttle manifold with longer runners to see what it does to the power.... these are things i have played with when converting to ITB's because they generally dont make the power initially you think they will....you have to find it

    • @Bradp72
      @Bradp72 Před rokem +36

      ex primary lengths and intake lengths are critical on japanese twincams when you are building performance engines like yours

    • @Bradp72
      @Bradp72 Před rokem +30

      And if Andy is going to build headers for it bigger isn't always better, keep your primary tubes down in diameter to keep the exhaust velocity up.... 1 3/4" stepped up to 1 7/8" and I would think about 24" long to the collector 4-1

    • @ricepony33
      @ricepony33 Před rokem +28

      Garage 4AGE channel does a myriad of testing.

    • @MelonTL_YH2
      @MelonTL_YH2 Před rokem +5

      I mean ITB was just for sake ITBs. Didn't even make sense to make a street daily s2k with itbs

    • @Eggsplanepls
      @Eggsplanepls Před rokem

      i was about to say this

  • @oneoffnate
    @oneoffnate Před rokem +78

    I like how this video shows that not all Dyno runs or engine swaps are a success like CZcams conveys. It’s way more interesting seeing you guys trying to troubleshoot why the engine isn’t making as much power compared to watching another 1000hp dyno run video on CZcams

    • @coreyfryer2712
      @coreyfryer2712 Před rokem +1

      That’s it right there. I’m so much less interested in the next ultra fast CZcams build. That’s cool too don’t get me wrong.
      But as a dude who drives a 350Z, I’m much less interested in annihilating the 1/4 mile or high speed highway runs as I am a well developed dynamic streetcar build. There’s just more character there lol.

  • @rubert.
    @rubert. Před rokem +142

    That vtec cracking open damn is loud lol

    • @narutobroken
      @narutobroken Před rokem +7

      I can’t believe they didn’t have Ear Pro on, my ears would be ringing all day

    • @I_know_what_im_talking_about
      @I_know_what_im_talking_about Před rokem +4

      I think it sounded bad, honestly. VTEC crack with a proper intake manifold and short ram intake sounds way better, in my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @battldogeurmum698
      @battldogeurmum698 Před rokem +2

      @@I_know_what_im_talking_about And that's how someone should state their opinion, some people say everyone else is wrong and dumb whereas what they think is just the best/only answer. Mad respect to you 👍

    • @I_know_what_im_talking_about
      @I_know_what_im_talking_about Před rokem

      @@battldogeurmum698 - 😎 much appreciated bro.

    • @repingers9777
      @repingers9777 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@I_know_what_im_talking_about I think longer stacks sound better there is a different in sound depending on length and such plus its in a metal garage so yeah its gonna be some earrape

  • @coreyscarrepairs
    @coreyscarrepairs Před rokem +203

    Andy seems like a very honest fellow. I like him.

    • @MLeeder53
      @MLeeder53 Před rokem +2

      He is, he's good people.

    • @CheenusBoof
      @CheenusBoof Před rokem +6

      NPC comment

    • @modehfy1352
      @modehfy1352 Před rokem +1

      His knowledge is insane and every video I've seen him in, you can tell he is honest and a hard worker. Not a lot of people are like that anymore.

    • @ASMotorsports
      @ASMotorsports Před rokem +12

      ❤ thank you guys!

  • @nuttyDesignAndFab
    @nuttyDesignAndFab Před rokem +38

    the resonance length of the ITBs needs to be tuned in sync with the cam duration at a certain RPM where you want to peak; you want the pulse generated by the valves shutting to bounce back and fourth in the ITBs and return just before the next close of the valve. Ideally less bounces (longest possible pipes) gives you more of the effect.

    • @SidewaysGts
      @SidewaysGts Před rokem +3

      Its worth adjusting the intake runner length for sure- But hed be chasing a single digit for HP here.
      He more than likely is just being limited by his cams. Theyre drag cartels "street" cams with only 254/250 duration. Theyre mild aimed at meaking peak power by 8k rpms.

    • @chippyjohn1
      @chippyjohn1 Před 11 měsíci

      Longer pipes are better for low end torque. The longer the pipe the longer the travel time. If anything they would need to be shorter, but most likely a cam duration issue.

    • @JETZcorp
      @JETZcorp Před 7 měsíci

      ​@chippyjohn1 Most ITB kits far cars are limited by packaging, and so are shorter than they should be. In order to not hit the shock tower or require a hole in the hood, ITBs for the K usually have super short runners like a sport bike. Most tests I've seen of trumpet length favor the longest ones you can possibly fit. The ITB kit for NC Miatas uses curved trumpets facing forward, something like 2 feet of length from.the valve to the trumpet end, and that kit makes 225bhp at 7,500 with pretty minimal non-VTEC cams. Ben's ITBs are less than half that length, which says to me that they want like 14,000rpm. Obviously the cams and the exhaust will have gone to sleep long before that ever happens. But the point is, all this stuff is dependent on resonance and timing. An engine like this has to be treated like a 2-stroke. Bulk flow is secondary to resonance timing. The exhaust and the intake must match the RPM target, and the cams must not get in their way. Most importantly, you have to at least know what you're working with in terms of length and resonance timing. Simplistic ideas like "good" or "big" have little value at 10k rpm.

  • @shifty1927
    @shifty1927 Před rokem +51

    Looking like you need better cams to make hp in the upper rev range.

  • @StaufferGarage
    @StaufferGarage Před rokem +125

    I love that you guys chose the spoon style hardtop. Its so sexy on the s2000

    • @Kneyki
      @Kneyki Před rokem +5

      That's actually what came with the car, but I think they'll keep it

    • @jarrodnichols8111
      @jarrodnichols8111 Před rokem +3

      Man, I can't believe people actually like that thing. Not a good shape for me at all.

  • @future62
    @future62 Před rokem +46

    Cant wait to see this duke it out with the MR2 which I absolutely have not forgot about. Crazy that that cheap Camry Hybrid lump makes more power lol

    • @GustSergeant
      @GustSergeant Před rokem +6

      No replacement for displacement

    • @meXicossie
      @meXicossie Před rokem

      I’m very impressed & envious of that Camry lump

    • @RandyAugustus
      @RandyAugustus Před rokem

      with these power levels, that mr2 has a serious shot.

    • @sparkster_6087
      @sparkster_6087 Před rokem +3

      @@RandyAugustus that mr2 will definitely win right now, 700lbs lighter is huuuge

  • @gsxtrex
    @gsxtrex Před rokem +22

    Props to them for putting out an honest video even when the power was underwhelming. I appreciate this video more than big power. Thanks guys

  • @Zamm1n
    @Zamm1n Před rokem +99

    The ITBs are rad as hell but please try running it with a single throttle manifold and intake tube at some stage, if nothing else it'll at least tell you if the ITB config/setup is the reason for the power issues. This series has been really interesting so far and I'm super keen to see you get to the bottom of what's going on here and finally perfect that engine setup.

    • @ziglol
      @ziglol Před rokem +9

      I agree. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve only seen ITBs outperform across the power range with higher (13.5 and up) compression and some sort of race fuel like m1. They sound cool though…

    • @eVerProductions1
      @eVerProductions1 Před rokem +2

      Yeah that’s what I was thinking, take off the itb and do what they have been troubleshooting with and stick some of the OEM stock variables back on like they did with the exhaust header. Run it with the OEM spec then one by one swap bolt on mods and see what’s improving the numbers

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Před rokem +2

      Hmm, I think they need to do some basic engine maths (inlet velocity, exhaust velocity and the way that's matched to the cam profiles etc) before just trying random parts! The maths (or math in American English) will show guidelines of the cam profile required, inlet runner diameter and length, exhaust runner diameter and length etc required, before then dialling it more precisely with trial and error on the dyno. No race team would try to design an engine without doing the maths on it. 🙂

    • @Rattus-Norvegicus
      @Rattus-Norvegicus Před rokem

      It's either the ITB's or I saw someone else make a pretty good case for cams.

    • @SidewaysGts
      @SidewaysGts Před rokem +1

      @@ziglol "Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve only seen ITBs outperform across the power range with higher (13.5 and up) compression and some sort of race fuel like m1"
      Obviously this is a 4age- but
      czcams.com/video/lnGvIfwjYis/video.html
      This is a great video, and great channel to watch. guy has been "Testing" different things on the dyno for ages, some of them are funny things, but many are serious as he looks to improve his engine. This video is a good "milestone" video, showing how the engine responds to various popular changes, and then his extreme ones as hes pushed the limits.
      of note in this video: He goes from various stock manifolds, to an ITB set up, and shows the power change. Its not insignificant, and hes not running crazy compression- 10.3:1.
      The itbs arent the problem with this guys set up. Though the trumpet length may be worth checking into (Fun plug in again: that guy i linked has one with him testing numerous length runners for the ITBs to find the ideal length for his engine), the biggest restriction is more than likely, his cams. Hes running 003.2 "Street" cams from drag cartel. Like the name implies- theyre street cams, and rated to make peak power by 8k rpms.
      This is undoubtedly the biggest restriction for making more power. He needs more cam- plain and simple.

  • @turbohayabusa01
    @turbohayabusa01 Před rokem +7

    Double check valve lash, after getting my head redone with DC 2.2’s we were struggling to make power every hit it started making less power(got all the way down to 185 at one point), so i left it at my tuners shop and he re set valve lash and ended up making 226whp on a mustang dyno which are the lower reading dynos. Previous to the cam install it made 212whp
    My setup:
    K20a2
    -54mm ITB’s
    -Skunk2 megapowerRR header and 3” exhaust
    -DC 2.2 cams
    -E85
    -Supertech dual valve springs w/ titanium retainers
    -Stock bottom end
    -Still running power steering and a/c

  • @seagullsays5831
    @seagullsays5831 Před rokem +155

    Peak power at 8500rpm with ITB's? And it's only making 211 on E85??? What in God's name has gone wrong here???

    • @alpha2turbo
      @alpha2turbo Před rokem +15

      Right, plus they only gained like 3whp in E85.

    • @chrisvera841
      @chrisvera841 Před rokem +26

      i think that as the car doesnt have forced induction, e85 doesnt have as big of an impact?

    • @deletemii3312
      @deletemii3312 Před rokem +16

      @@chrisvera841 ya, e85 has an insane octane rating, so for FI builds ot makes it so you don't have to worry about knock as much, meaning you can run more aggressive settings

    • @lordmarsgaming1935
      @lordmarsgaming1935 Před rokem +35

      E85 doesn't do much on an NA motor. And ITB's aren't meant for huge gains in power. They are meant for better throttle response which is why he stated ITB's are heavily used for racing applications.

    • @XTR_NEELAN
      @XTR_NEELAN Před rokem +2

      Aif flow exhaust isn't made yet so it's had

  • @MikusGG
    @MikusGG Před rokem +6

    Time stamp descriptions are hilarious. Love it lol

  • @cryvengeance
    @cryvengeance Před rokem +42

    thank god the wait wasn't long

    • @jean4244
      @jean4244 Před rokem +4

      Saturday and Wednesday uploads got us creaming huh

    • @a70_s36
      @a70_s36 Před rokem

      Fr they did not wait lol

    • @cheesepizza87
      @cheesepizza87 Před rokem +1

      Impatient nation 🤣

    • @cryvengeance
      @cryvengeance Před rokem +1

      @@cheesepizza87 i blame my adhd 🤣

  • @arthurhicks9586
    @arthurhicks9586 Před rokem +17

    That fall off to me looks like cams or valve float. Definitely check those.

    • @2seep
      @2seep Před 6 měsíci

      Not always the case, the higher rpm the less time air has to get into the engine, this is for N.A. engines. This reduces hp and causes it to fall.

  • @iDymff
    @iDymff Před rokem +51

    I really like this project. Andy and his team is great and funny. And the s2k is just a cool car.

  • @kristophs3276
    @kristophs3276 Před rokem +33

    It was my understanding, I may be wrong, but 4-1 headers work better for higher rpm power, while tri-y headers are better for midrange power with a sacrifice of high rpm power? Maybe try a 4-1 header.

    • @GearsandGasoline
      @GearsandGasoline  Před rokem +19

      That's part of the plan!

    • @I_know_what_im_talking_about
      @I_know_what_im_talking_about Před rokem +5

      I can’t believe they didn’t AUTOMATICALLY opt for a 4-1 header with the initial plans to rev that high. That’s like basic high revving Honda engine 101. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @RollingRoadEFI
      @RollingRoadEFI Před rokem

      My tri-y makes great linear power all across the board. Fantastic piece.

  • @sotirispolitis4617
    @sotirispolitis4617 Před rokem +7

    The most important thing when building a naturally aspirated engine is pulses and harmonics. There are calculators online that show you the ballpark of intake and exhaust lengths for your cam setup.

  • @jameshaulenbeek5931
    @jameshaulenbeek5931 Před rokem

    That's such a beautiful engine build. Looking forward to seeing it reach it's full potential, and for you to have a fun, daily driving S10K!

  • @Kakarote12
    @Kakarote12 Před rokem +1

    It’s been a while since I commented but I really enjoyed this engine build and looking forward to what you do with the body and interior. Great work.

  • @toniwonkanobi
    @toniwonkanobi Před rokem +14

    Thank god for back-to-back S10K videos! Also, thanks for the Saturday morning video again. Weekday vids is not the same thing.

  • @narutobroken
    @narutobroken Před rokem +157

    Does the horsepower seem low to anyone else? I know it’s to the wheels but still

    • @erikleblanc4539
      @erikleblanc4539 Před rokem +58

      There is more rolling resistance since it’s an awd dyno. But yes still seems seriously low…

    • @fitometralla
      @fitometralla Před rokem +49

      Man i was thinking the same thing... my b20vtec has 240hp on pumpgas

    • @ndutamaureenkamau6001
      @ndutamaureenkamau6001 Před rokem +12

      Yes finally someone else sees it

    • @DG_427
      @DG_427 Před rokem +4

      They can still do plenty to it, so it shouldn't be an issue for now.

    • @team_tuner88
      @team_tuner88 Před rokem +5

      @@fitometralla fbo ? idk man many fd2rs from where im from have 270-280whp without ITB.

  • @Doomslayer26
    @Doomslayer26 Před rokem +1

    Whoever makes the titles for the chapters in the video is absolutely hilarious! 😂😂

  • @ElCrab
    @ElCrab Před rokem +1

    There are plenty of ways to build just for insane power numbers. When I had my B18C1 swapped Civic, I obviously wanted power but the joy I found was in light weight and lots of revs. I didn’t get into seriously wild setups, but I rebuilt the block with higher compression and she revved to 9000, made peak somewhere around 8300.
    That car wasn’t about making 400 HP, but she weighed less than she did stock (even with several hundred extra pounds with the swap), and she revved and made amazing noises.
    If I ever did it again, I’d go for that kind of setup over tons of power. And I really respect what Ben is doing here for the same reasons.

  • @Silky_boi
    @Silky_boi Před rokem +11

    Tbh I thought waaay more power. I know Cosworth made some Duratec motors with ITB go up to 250-300 depending on the capacity.
    But I’m sure you’ll get it where you want it to be and you got a great team to help you! Awesome work guys! 👍🏻

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo Před rokem +11

      The K20A never raced in an ITB class of touring cars IIRC (i.e., super touring), but even with a single throttle body under Super 2000 rules, Neal Brown Engineering K20A engines make 280bhp (at the engine) on a 8500rpm rev limit. Tegiwa have a video on their ex-BTCC Integra Type R race car. 🙂
      Sadly the lack of basic engine maths and engineering calculation before building this engine seems to have bit Ben!

    • @TheCorington
      @TheCorington Před rokem

      Esslinger makes a bunch of the racing duratec motors now. 260whp/220tq would be easily accomplished in a 2.5 for less than 8k if you go 13:1 compression

  • @Canyondriver
    @Canyondriver Před rokem +3

    Really loved the series. I feel like I'm living vicariously through the builds since I would do similar things; especially wanting a 10k rpm screamer driver and not caring about the power. Meanwhile, I'm just starting on my TRD front strut brace for my GR86 and hoping that adds the rigidity up front that I'm looking for since So Cal roads aren't getting any better, and I swear roads are wearing out faster because EVs are already heavy and SUVs/trucks dominate the market. This S2000 build is something I would do with lottery money.

  • @Remiinding
    @Remiinding Před rokem +1

    I love how you guys eclipse the truth behind building awesome cars. Not everything works out how you plan but it’s the journey and knowledge gained from it the makes it worth while. Great video

  • @barrysheldrick2704
    @barrysheldrick2704 Před rokem +1

    Bens face when the VTEC kicks in Y0 😂👌🏻

  • @oikkuoek
    @oikkuoek Před rokem +9

    Seems like you've found the max flow on your ports and valves.

  • @WyFoster
    @WyFoster Před rokem +4

    Hey guys, put the airbox on the ITBs so you can that intake reversion. They're designed to be run with that.

  • @EAADetailing
    @EAADetailing Před rokem +1

    Man, those valvoline diff fluid bags are amazing

  • @scuds03
    @scuds03 Před rokem

    There’s more power there; excited to watch you find it.

  • @000polsris000
    @000polsris000 Před rokem +14

    In the process of chasing this same goal with my S2000. I've got the ITB's on an essentially stock F20. I hit 217 to the wheel. Cams are in my future. My goal is also 250 to the wheels. Excellent series of videos. Sounds AMAZING over 9k!

    • @liamclarke8269
      @liamclarke8269 Před rokem

      My standard ap1 jap import has 247 as standard, the rest of the world got 237, I was lucky I got the best of the best.

  • @WreckChris
    @WreckChris Před rokem +4

    Yeah, I'm in love with this build!

  • @CarGuy87
    @CarGuy87 Před rokem

    cant wait for more ITB screams man keep them comin!

  • @JorgeMartinez-iq2tc
    @JorgeMartinez-iq2tc Před rokem +1

    I freaking love Saturday's and I have to thank this CZcams channel

  • @glubibobi
    @glubibobi Před rokem +8

    Man...I chose the wrong career. This seems so fun. I'm sure there's a lot of frustrating moments we don't see but it's just so cool to build stuff that like.

  • @zhnkbr
    @zhnkbr Před rokem +6

    i have read before that going with the biggest itbs you can find isn't the way to go, and for each head and runner size there is always the "right" size itb that you should go with for the most power

  • @cheesusslice7342
    @cheesusslice7342 Před rokem +2

    I would say larger and longer duration cams and perhaps equal length headers with pairing

  • @KevinMO91
    @KevinMO91 Před rokem +3

    I own a 00 s2000, Look into ballade sport's header. I have seen and talked to a couple people and they seem to make the most power N/A if you can run it on the K20.
    I would also look into maybe even a more aggressive cam setup then what you currently have If you're looking to make power past 8k rpm(which is crazy, I know). There's definitely more power on the table with this setup.

  • @samhenzler1596
    @samhenzler1596 Před rokem +4

    I have a k24 bottom end with 12:5.1 pistons. Stock rsx type s head, rbc intake. Running on e made 235 to the wheels.
    Definitely think you could squeeze some more power out of that setup. Something isn’t right.

  • @PowCarsandCoffee
    @PowCarsandCoffee Před rokem +4

    Play around with the cams. Sounds epiiicc love the s10k

  • @WIREDin1
    @WIREDin1 Před rokem

    Really enjoying this set up 🧐

  • @jermainetuning
    @jermainetuning Před rokem

    Pretty cool gents! Andy is definitely God level at this! 💯

  • @mastercedar8697
    @mastercedar8697 Před rokem +4

    Any concern about air flow to itbs ? I’ve seen a boxed up itb setup.

  • @RhoadsChristopher
    @RhoadsChristopher Před rokem +6

    Maybe longer trumpets? I know that can have an effect as it straighten's and smooths out the air going in.

    • @H3RSHD0G13
      @H3RSHD0G13 Před rokem +3

      My understanding is longer trumpets shifts the power down lower.

    • @mitchellsteindler
      @mitchellsteindler Před rokem +2

      @@H3RSHD0G13 I think the trumpets are too large in diameter. Longer trumpets would probably help if they needed to keep the same diameter.

  • @RBXmotorsports
    @RBXmotorsports Před rokem +1

    Great car for your first HONDA. I also recently picked up my first Honda S2000 and so far, I'm in love. Enjoy the car brother!

  •  Před rokem

    Brilliant content. 👍

  • @jakelong4271
    @jakelong4271 Před rokem +3

    That's like stock engine power. Hopefully you get it figured out.

  • @bozososic2656
    @bozososic2656 Před rokem +3

    I know your pain and i understand the optimisation needed for high revving engine. Had done the same thing in my honda but its only a D15. Its revving to almost 9k and a lot of carful thinking and workarounds had to be done to make power that high. I would suggest maybe a different cam. One that has a bit bigger lift and a lot longer duration because at that high rpm engine needs to breathe as best as it can and cam will do just that.

  • @garage2track
    @garage2track Před rokem +1

    Nice to see it running

  • @Gabriel50797
    @Gabriel50797 Před rokem

    Time to call Spoon good video hope you guys get it sorted out. I'd venture to say its a combo of the ITB with other parts as others have already stated.

  • @lw1878
    @lw1878 Před rokem +3

    Is the rest of the catback 2.5" or 3"? Its making Stock GR86 numbers on E85.. Something is going on and it will only get worse with the hood closed in street driving.

  • @MegamanEXEv2
    @MegamanEXEv2 Před rokem +25

    I’m like really concerned with how low that number was for a K series. Let’s hope break in loosens things up and helps.

    • @dingleberries360
      @dingleberries360 Před rokem

      That's probably the issue. Not breaking it in. Might have fucked something up.

    • @need_more_lives2974
      @need_more_lives2974 Před rokem

      @@dingleberries360 no the rings seating after break in dos not increase hp substantially

    • @RollingRoadEFI
      @RollingRoadEFI Před rokem

      @@need_more_lives2974 Yeah sorry guys he's right. There's something missing here.

  • @eazybuilt
    @eazybuilt Před rokem +1

    gotta love the VTEC face!!

  • @saifmansour455
    @saifmansour455 Před rokem

    A friend of mine faced something like this power restriction and it turned out that he needs an airbox for the ITBs to have a better airflow. After that he gained some power. Great content!

  • @idokwatcher2062
    @idokwatcher2062 Před rokem +4

    Biggest complaint about stock S2000 is the lack of torque and you put a K20 instead of K24 in it.

    • @seagullsays5831
      @seagullsays5831 Před rokem +2

      Honestly I wonder why he committed to ITB's. Like if he knew he was going to be throwing in a K20 and that the lack of torque would be less than ideal then why not supercharge it?

    • @Bmw_Z3R
      @Bmw_Z3R Před rokem

      @@seagullsays5831 ITBS and High compression to hit HIGH RPM, All that's needed now should be some head tuning to flow better.

    • @tonymccartney2829
      @tonymccartney2829 Před rokem

      @@seagullsays5831 he's building a high rpm NA 4cyl with a usable amount of power on the street for the character and sound of it, listen to what he says in the videos

    • @seagullsays5831
      @seagullsays5831 Před rokem

      @@tonymccartney2829 Yeah I understand that, but a built K20 with ITB'S and running on E85 should not be making less power than a stock F20C.

    • @tonymccartney2829
      @tonymccartney2829 Před rokem

      @@seagullsays5831 Oh 100% it should. It appears they didn't pay much attention to the cams they chose (the description says peak at 8000) or the ITB runners they chose, which are too big to generate the velocity they need at those rpms. They also didn't do any head massaging. So from what I can tell, there wasn't enough homework done on the build choices, and this is the result

  • @mr2_nate
    @mr2_nate Před rokem +4

    Should have 2AR swapped it smh

  • @12370515
    @12370515 Před rokem +1

    Thanks!

  • @Zjudoransj
    @Zjudoransj Před rokem

    I really like the titles of the different chapters within this video

  • @MotorSportsbr
    @MotorSportsbr Před rokem +3

    Better flowing valves, ported head, higher compression, wider lobe separation.

    • @samnolte749
      @samnolte749 Před rokem +3

      I was wondering whether a stock port head would hold them back with cams and ITBs when they first put it on. I'm not an expert or anything, but the only advantage ITBs have is massive flow. If you're running them on a stock head, it doesn't seem worth it.

    • @MotorSportsbr
      @MotorSportsbr Před rokem +2

      @@samnolte749 Unfortunately with all motor you have to do alot of work to the head and have non restrictive valves, and you need alot of compression. I wouldnt have even used Itbs, they just suck for street use. I would have went with minimum 13:5 compression. Most likely if I was going all in it would be 14.5:1 to 15:1. above that its very nock sensetive even on ethanol.

  • @MidnightMustang
    @MidnightMustang Před rokem

    I am now fully caught up on the entire lore of Gears and Gasoline...
    You guys have come so far :')

  • @StayCovert
    @StayCovert Před rokem

    The VTEC crossovers with build up sounded the way it feels when you finally get that tight spot in your joints with a nice stretch

  • @burtonporter8437
    @burtonporter8437 Před rokem +1

    I have the same build, similar starting point, and similar goals. Thanks for the inspiration- mine has been 3 years going and yours is getting done way faster 😢

    • @thomascriviera5779
      @thomascriviera5779 Před rokem

      Don't worry, taking your time often results in more detail work being done. Also, I assume you do most of the work yourself which in and of itself it admirable to say the least. (Obviously, no offence to Ben and the boys!!) So take pride, and when the time comes to roll around like a 'baller', the enjoyment will be even greater!! ;)
      I recently started a new build and I recon it will take close to 4 or 5 years to finish. Most of the work will be done by me and my father. Whereas paint, cage and ECU tune will be outsourced when the time and money is there. (The build is complete with engine swap, bigger brakes and the such...) Close to Pro-Touring to say the least. Then I look around and see whole teams do a similar build in just a few months :O .....

  • @phototoys6423
    @phototoys6423 Před rokem

    I was waiting for this!!!!!

  • @arnoldboats
    @arnoldboats Před rokem +1

    I agree, I’ve raced motorcycles and what I’ve realized is that even though HP is great to have. I’d rather have lower HP for better power delivery and handling. I’ve got my 350z tuned and specifically talked with my tuner with the understanding that I want usable power and torque to balance out my handling. No I race at VIR and some other tracks and the plan works well.

  • @anotheryoutuber2463
    @anotheryoutuber2463 Před rokem

    ^ this power to weight got my odyssey looking track ready

  • @CplVasilli
    @CplVasilli Před rokem +1

    Motorcycle Tech here, What you got is what i call a "BIG GULP" build, wack open the butterfies and it takes in a huge gulp of air. great for bottom end numers but you lose needed velocity at higer RPM's. You need the "BIG SUCK" to get the better flow at topend. velocity is everything. Looks like you would benift from secondary ecu controlled butterfiles and secondary fuel injectors.
    TL:DR Big suck vs the big gulp.
    BIgblock enduro single: Big gulp
    Highreving superbike twin: Big suck
    Play around with the exhaust all you want, that intake is gonna make this car a pain to drive on the street

  • @deanhempshall1335
    @deanhempshall1335 Před rokem

    That noise though! 😍

  • @4773N.
    @4773N. Před rokem +1

    Subscribed to Andy👌🔥💯

  • @sivic4353
    @sivic4353 Před rokem

    beautiful noises

  • @codysmithmotorsports736
    @codysmithmotorsports736 Před rokem +2

    Both this and Civic have power on the table in the Valve Job. Specifically the seat angles.
    I was not surprised when the civic was down on power last year after seeing how the valve job was done. The K is an amazing flowing head stock and that equates to some very high efficiency of flow past the valve and seat requirements. I've been part of back to back flow bench tests where a gain of 10+ cfm was had with just using a different valve seat multi angle cutter. Have also seen losses just as big when it's wrong.

    • @RollingRoadEFI
      @RollingRoadEFI Před rokem

      Very little I think. No?

    • @codysmithmotorsports736
      @codysmithmotorsports736 Před rokem

      @@RollingRoadEFI rule of thumb is 1 hp per CFM. So a sub par valve job will absolutely hurt power and an excellent one will increase it.
      Especially at high rpm when the most amount of air is trying to move through the engine

    • @RollingRoadEFI
      @RollingRoadEFI Před rokem

      @@codysmithmotorsports736 That's statistically significant. Thanks for the info.

  • @TheJMedia
    @TheJMedia Před rokem

    She is a screamer! 10000 rpm with itbs is just glorious!

  • @luieflores5915
    @luieflores5915 Před rokem

    them pulls just kept runnnnnniiiiinnnngg!!!!!!!!🥰

  • @Kantoman
    @Kantoman Před rokem

    After all those revs the piston is sure to be well seated ❤

  • @gar24407
    @gar24407 Před rokem

    Sounds soo freaking good!!!!! Brahhhhhhhggggg!!!!!! You need to call THE MAN BRET AT PFI PERFORMANCE.

  • @darrelpads
    @darrelpads Před rokem

    Ooh i like that MCU style tagline at the end.

  • @MrMirofl
    @MrMirofl Před rokem

    congrats on 1M guys

  • @rabidrabbittt
    @rabidrabbittt Před rokem +1

    shoutout whoever named the chapters

  • @tomaszicha9191
    @tomaszicha9191 Před rokem +2

    instead of headers try longer intake tubes for itb. and i noticed the muffler has wrong diameter. tubing for n/a k engines is ideal 2,5" we have simmilar setup on our racing engine 300hp k20 and can rev 9900rpm after a lot of dyno runs we switched back into skunk 2 intake manifold and its more usable this way. engine is in Noma M20 SC racecar and it won a lot of national hillclimb events

  • @roda1999
    @roda1999 Před rokem +1

    I always love your builds. The engine sounds funny when vtec engage. Do you have a working Vtc sensor?

  • @tiagofigueiredo2529
    @tiagofigueiredo2529 Před rokem +1

    European and Japanese K20A from the EP3 Type R made 200hp originally and you could bump up the HP even more just by changing cams, valve springs and a tune for example.
    Check out for a European K20A head from the Type R as it has better flow. 👍

  • @paidinm3263
    @paidinm3263 Před rokem

    Tall Ben is now a Honda man 😁 great show please keep making more video

  • @brickson98m
    @brickson98m Před 11 měsíci

    Wow, when the v-tech kicks in it almost sounds like something broke. So clicky/buzzy sounding. He wasn’t kidding when he said it would be loud.

  • @Bmw_Z3R
    @Bmw_Z3R Před rokem +1

    Hell yeah! Cant wait to hear this in person! catch you round the burg bro! K24 swap with Andrew from TFE Performance on my Z3 this summer!

  • @DynocomNet
    @DynocomNet Před rokem

    Awesome!

  • @jirace
    @jirace Před rokem +1

    More cam duration for the higher rpms. Short ITBs for high rpms. Do a compression test to check your numbers. Make sure the plugs and spark is strong.

  • @jrbuch
    @jrbuch Před rokem

    Hot damn it sounds great.

  • @WhatIDoAsChris
    @WhatIDoAsChris Před rokem

    1:40 that is the loudest pop I've ever heard! The sounds dreams are made of 🤘🏽

  • @rgsaxo
    @rgsaxo Před rokem

    Great vid and car sounds class. Needs some loving to be a car again. Jackie wasn’t kind to the bodywork.
    If I had to guess at the power figures being lower than you expected I’d say it’s the choice of cam. I presume it’s designed to make peak at 8k hence the drop off. A change of cam may be what’s needed

  • @PeefMidgar
    @PeefMidgar Před rokem

    I do love the cars and coffee carporn ITB build. Alot will say waste of money but honestly this car will probably feel really special.

  • @Joe.s2k
    @Joe.s2k Před rokem

    Welcome to the S2000 community! S2ktakeover is a must for you now! Don’t track it because if you do, you’re gonna fall in love!

  • @Soravia
    @Soravia Před rokem +1

    You need to restore the body and do rust prevention to match that engine.
    For exhaust, use Hemholtz pipe to eliminate drone boomy noise while keeping tones.

  • @NoOne-isZero
    @NoOne-isZero Před rokem

    The heart is beating, now the time for the suits.

  • @KutsugeMindUrmoks
    @KutsugeMindUrmoks Před rokem

    Its a very cool car!

  • @adrianstoica1743
    @adrianstoica1743 Před rokem

    That white BMW wagon in the beginning parked next to the ramp…

  • @jacquescrusan9500
    @jacquescrusan9500 Před rokem

    ITB's really benefit from resonance tuning, particularly Heimholtz resonance.
    -Caveman explanation time (TL;DR): Intake valve closes, air still have momentum. Air slam against intake valve backside, it pressurize. pressure shoot back out trumpet. Once pressure wave exit trumpet, ITB at partial vacuum. Nature no likey vacuum; air (positive pressure) rush back down ITB. If timed right, positive pressure wave reach backside of intake valve as it open. Extra air enter engine while valve is not full open, then engine give atmosphere the good suck. This cause increase in Volumetric Efficiency, and more powah.
    -Non-cavemman explanation: ITB's work best when they're treated more like a 2 stroke expansion chamber/exhaust pipe than a standard intake manifold. Just like an expansion chamber in a 2-stroke, there's a certain RPM range where the dynamics of the pulsing pressure waves (explained above) are timed correctly in relation to engine speed, and cause a natural supercharging effect. This phenomenon is directly influenced by 2 things: real-time air momentum/density (measured in real time seconds and not in relation to crankshaft degrees), and physical runner length. This is one of the reasons why the LaFerrari has infinitely variable length intake runners (which are ITB's). Those runners utilize stepper motors and a linkage to extend or retract the trumpets closer to and further away from the intake port, and have the adjustable portion of the trumpet moving inside the port-side portion of the ITB as 2 sleeves; the upper/adjustable portion slides in and out of the lower portion, allowing for very finite control of overall/effective runner length.
    -The general rule of thumb is that the higher the RPM, the shorter runner length you want; and that's true for both intake and exhaust runners because of the real-world amount of time the air charge has to enter and exit the engine. With that being said, on multiple cylinder engines, that's not always the case due to pressure wave spillover from one trumpet to the ones adjacent to it.
    -Which is why it bugs me that no one has ever considered attempting a motor-actuated exhaust header (at least in an experimental setup) that adjusts the lengths of the header primaries throughout the RPM range and makes them shorter as the RPM climbs.