Mathew’s domestic installer route into the industry
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2021
- These videos are real life experiences that people have been through trying to enter the electrical industry, the aim of which is to help someone starting out on their journey, to make an informed choice.
In this video I talk to Matthew who went down the domestic installer route 12 years ago, and is comfortable that he knows his limitations. Luckily he has had a safety net of advice from family members within the construction industry that were able to help guide him after he completed course, but even so; Mathew has some clear warnings towards the end of the video on the downfalls of the domestic installer route.
Personally, I would like to thank Mathew for coming forward and sharing his experience so that others may learn from it, and we are now going to try and work out the next steps for Mathew to take, but as most of you will know; It's not easy to change career when you have financial responsibilities and a family to support.
One of the things that I would like to see come out of this, is the government offering more support to career changers, as the majority of people I speak to in that position are more likely to be fully invested in their future, they are just trapped by the financial constraints.
I'm not saying it isn't impossible, but it definitely complicates things.
One thing to remember is that the government are offering employers £3-4k to take on an apprentice, and that means the training is fully paid for, including the workplace logbook (NVQ) and the AM2.
The minimum wage for a first year apprentice is around £4.15ph for the 1st year (although you can try to negotiate a higher wage based on your skill set), and then rising to national minimum wage in year 2.
Another option is to start the diploma route and get level 2 done in the evenings, and then when you have a job in the 2nd year transfer onto the apprenticeship and that way avoiding the pay cut.
More information can be found here: www.electricalcareers.co.uk/w...
Hi Sir nice to have you back
Really loving the Interview Videos!! Hats of to all those guys.
I started out as an Electrical apprentice back in 1978 though to to 1981 but was made redundant in year 3 but was lucky enough to get a job with BT and switched to a Telecoms Apprenticeship with them. I have had a very successful career in IT and Telecoms moved into Management (continued my studies BSc Honours Degree and MBA with the OU). But I have always enjoyed being on the tools!
I have done a fair bit with electrical work over the years and dabbled in property development. I recently decided that I wanted to move back into the Electrical Industry after I was made redundant at the beginning of the Covid outbreak last year and booked myself on a Domestic installer course (4 weeks) Loved every minute of it! But!!! There is No Way!! that anyone would be able to sit that course and be a competent Electrician at the end of it (unless they had previous experience).
When I did my training as an Apprentice, I was working with timed served JIB Electricians and Jobbing Electricians in a predominantly Commercial environments, (Banks, Hotels, Restaurants, sound studios etc working with Conduit, trunking, Pyro, 3 Phase, Motors, generators etc). So got a great introduction to the industry.
There needs to be a way for adult entrants to be able to join the industry and become fully qualified. The Domestic Installer courses are great and have there place but should be part of an accredited process. On my OU Degree you could count previous training and qualifications! towards the initial entry level/Foundation course, which is were I see the Domestic Installer courses sitting.
I have applied for gas engineer apprenticeship with fortem they are a housing property services company got my final interview in June and applied for homeserve as well
Domestic work is only a tiny part of electrical work. There’s the whole Commercial, Industrial and M&E that never gets talked about...
I’ve been following this series very closely because I’m in a similar boat. However, I have found that the it’s very hard to get into the electrical industry because it’s such a closed shop! Electricians are happy to get an apprentice who’s under 25 because they can pay them peanuts and know that they will be with them for at least 10years before moving on. However, if they get a mature candidate, they know the apprentice will only stay on maybe 5years (if they are slow). Most mature students catch things quickly and learn much better than a young apprentice lacking real world experience. Essentially, the electricians don’t want to train what they consider to be their competition. I’m not putting all electricians in this category, but not many willing to take a mature student as their apprentice or willing to give them experience.
I think there should be more courses catered towards mature students where they are thought practical skills.
I myself personally can’t do a apprenticeship as I have a full time job and a mortgage to pay. Surely there should be a route for people who needs to do this part time?
There is, it’s called the diploma route and you can see it here.
www.electricalcareers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TESP-England-Route-3-Self-Funded.pdf
Gayan - Your point regarding Electricians not wanting to train the competition is so on point! I have had two separate Electricians do work (different projects) in my house within the past 1-2 and when chatting I have mentioned about retraining and saving for the course fees etc. Both have said without hesitation that the industry is saturated with Electricians etc etc. I didn't know how to process that at the time, because surely there is more than enough work to go around ... and you always need fresh blood in any industry to replace leavers ans retirees.
@@ashamanjake6626 domestic sector is saturated cause I believe is the easiest one to get in to.
On the exam the trick is not to check the answers so it's better not to change the answers.
It's a bit like industrial spark can't do domestic work look their will always be good and bad workmanship regardless of qualifications
Apparently domestic sector is saturated ether by qualified electricians or those who are not. The shortage seems to be in industrial sector on large construction sites.
That is not what the industry is leading us to believe, yet I would agree with you to a large extent.
However, the electrical industry makes more money from Part P registration than anything else
@@Pure_electrical_training I can't back my statement with any evidence. It is only a conclusion from speaking to others on diploma course. Some say that the youngest sparks in construction sites are 40 yr upwards.
I'd be interested to know if there is a way to become a decent sparky, within the Domestic Intallation area, without doing an apprenticeship, given that they are hard to come by or impossible to do if you are an adult...
There are a lot of people in the comments that want to re-skill or change career but there doesn't seem to be a good way to do it?
From what I heard here, doing level 2 (by college course or intensive training course) and then trying to get job as a 'mate' to gain experience while continuing to do level 3 at college is the only way to go?
It depends what you want.
There are many people who do the level 2 and 3 course and simply cannot find employment or experience.
At least with an apprenticeship you have a job from the start and gain experience as you go. This means that if you lose your job you are more employable.
@@Pure_electrical_training In my case I don't really want an apprenticeship. I can see why that make total sense for a school leaver. I did one back in the day.
What are the options for 40+ age people?
Ps for the diploma route you have to do Maths and English alongside it.
My understanding is that is only the case if you don’t have the equivalent of a C in English or Maths, so you would do functional skills
@@Pure_electrical_training Yeah i applied for an Apprenticeship and for college - college for Level 2 said my Level 2 Maths and Level 3 English are fine, but the apprenticeship route (if an employer takes me on) means i'd have to do an extra maths module alongside it which would be fine.
The maths isn’t to the same level as GCSE and to be fair, may even help you with the science and principles which is maths heavy.
The diploma route don’t care what your level is, as the end result is not their problem.
With an apprenticeship you are supposedly guaranteed a level of competence and there is more pressure to see you all the way through
The idea is there, but it falls down if you get a less ethical college, or a useless tutor
@@Pure_electrical_training I'm doing the diploma route and if you've not got the maths or English you have to do them alongside. Maybe the rules have changed or something, but i only have to do 2 days a week and can go straight to level 2 whereas those who don't have have maths and English already have to do 4 days a week to catch up on them.
I want a career change and want to become a gas engineer. I am going to take the apprenticeship route I am 32 years old now. I have always worked in warehouses and factory work working as a machine operator like I am now. I have come to the stage this is not what I want to do as a career for the rest of my life. I work 3 shifts and the money is good I don’t hate the job or the place but I want a new challenge and I hate night shifts do 12 hour shifts sometimes as well I don’t mind taking a pay cut as i have lots of money saved as I have always worked and I still live with my parents and have no intention of leaving anytime soon. I want to go back to education and studying to improve my career prospects
Good luck
Just wondering how they will get accessed in practical and how they pass there
How do you mean?
I have no kids bills or mortgage to worry about either
I really struggled to watch this due to the excessive number of adverts
Wow, there was a lot. 😬
Thank you for pointing it out, I’ve sorted it now 👌
Yeah there were a few weren't there... tried watching it at lunch time and gave up half way
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