Why we need change in the electrical industry and my GoFundMe page
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- This is video one, which is an introduction to the problems that I see in the electrical industry and ideas on how I believe we can change them.
My defining moment was in 2018 when I tried to report a new build property that was the most dangerous I have ever seen. The family was getting electric shocks off of the wetroom shower and the electrician told them it was only a small voltage.. 70V!
When I tried to report that electrician to the competent person scheme I soon realised that the system we currently have is made of cards and has no real substance. It's not real...
I complained to the competent person scheme, the HSE, Building control, and Trading Standards, but no one was interested and they all passed the buck.
That electrician got away scot-free, despite how close he came to killing someone...
Personally, I believe we need to start by building a competent person scheme that actually works, and I give you some of my ideas on how that could happen.
Starting with individual competence.
After all, how can you have a competent person scheme if the competence is attributed to a company, not an individual?
Surely, that devalues electricians as you don't need them to be registered...
Fully support what you are saying. Been out of the industry for several years originally did a JIB Apprenticeship, 3 Years 236 Part 1 & Part 2 and AM2, progressed to becoming an Electrical Engineer but left the industry before becoming charted. With the competent person scheme as it is I can't even install a new circuit in my own home.
Exactly Paul, they’ve got a strangle hold on electricians and it’s not right, we need change and we need it now 🙌
Hi Adrian. Change has been needed for a long time. Unfortunately there is, as you point out, a lot of money in the status quo. I've thought for a long time that electricians should be licenced somehow with the specific skill set that each individual has. No one can do it all, Its too broad a field to cover.
I could bore anyone all day long with the crap I see daily from supposed registered electricians. I think half the time its that people don't know what they don't know. I'd happily sign up to a scheme that requires ongoing training and a requirement to be met to work in specific fields in the industry.
I find that it is too difficult to report bad work to the current scheme providers. For a start, if you aren't the end client making the complaint then they don't want to know. Even then, its quite easily brushed under the carpet.
It has to be fair though so as not to needlessly alienate people. Our regs and practices have so many interpretations that it is never black and white.
100% agree 🙌
And that is what I’m aiming for
I’ve been screwed by doing the college route and I don’t know where to turn I’m thinking of quitting as I can’t find answers anywhere
Is there anything that I can do to help?
Isn’t competence why we have the Gold Card. I’ve recently got mine because more places are asking for it for work. You need it for the new EV course. And apparently that trend will roll out on other courses. So I applied. Seems it’s meant to open doors. I must buck the trend and I’ve found the NICEIC to be ok as a CPS and the area engineer for me is helpful. I also like their online content and certification platform and CPD webinars. I also like the connections magazine. So for £550 I don’t think it’s that bad. Which CPS are you with? Oh and I do care about my work and clients. And I’d imagine that would be the majority.
As you may find out the longer you are in this industry, people complain that the gold card doesn’t prove anything and there are people with one, who really shouldn’t.
I was with the NICEIC for something like 8 years + and found them to be arrogant and rude, but I liked the prestige of the badge. Then they let me down massively with a rogue client and completely stitches me up, so I went to NAPIT for 8 years.
I found NAPIT more friendly and less up their own backside. However, they still follow the same pattern and both brands have incompetent and dangerous electricians on their books.
Now I notify through building control directly
@@Pure_electrical_training What do BC actually do for their money, thinking of going that route myself. I noticed the Third Party Certification scheme didn't take off, NICEIC blocked it. Interesting to hear you were with both, NAPIT told me if I did the 18th with my qualifications I could be a domestic Installer. NICEIC said I couldn't, I would additionally need a Level 3 Initial Verification and certification qualification, one of the qualifications they list is LCL Awards Level 3 RQF Award in the Initial Verification and Certification of Electrical Installations. Phoned them up and they told me new entrants to the competent person scheme also need to do a 4 week Level 3 course at a cost of £2K. So it seems I could pay around £2.5K and in around 5 Weeks I could join a competent person scheme and that trumps a 3 year Apprenticeship it would seem.
Maybe it can be like car insurance once you have an accident you get put on a data base that all insurance companies or in this case competent persons schemes can see so then someone can’t just go join another one and the schemes might not be worrid about the competition
It’s a valid point and a good idea.
Currently, the other competent person schemes are not interested in doing anything that costs them money, and why would they? They currently get £550 a year for doing nothing 🤷♂️
If we are going to improve things, then we need to show them the way.
Hopefully, you can see the benefits and take the time to donate to this worthy cause 🤞
Thank you for taking the time to comment 🤝
100% needs to be done..
Need to be a way to report bad electrician, people life's end of
Where the link?
100%
gofund.me/a4ee2f60
@@Pure_electrical_training done, can't give much at moment at been expensive month but I believe in what your doing and have helped myself
Hope you get there and I will joint PURE competent person scheme
Thanks Ross hemel hempstead
Awesome, thank you. As Tesco says ‘every little helps’ 🙏
Have you looked at teaming up with someone else like SparkSafe?
I have, but they are involved with the ECA and are only allowed to operate in NI
Now you say that I think they have also been endorsed by NAPIT.
I did once look at joining the ECA, mugged that off pretty quick, complete waste of money.
You got me pal good look I founded about 4 week ago keep strong it can change and should
Look their is only two types of electrical work Domestic or commercial/Industrial so should be two types of qualified electrician as above
I disagree Stephen, I was trained by a company that did domestic, commercial, and industrial, but when I started up my own company I preferred domestic as I like dealing with the public.
As a primarily domestic electrician I worked in many peoples homes, but those people also had businesses, so I was able to carry out the odd occasional work on commercial installations.
Have you seen the list of what is classified as commercial.
Communal areas
Catering kitchens in care homes
Communal areas in student accommodation
Boiler rooms
Risers or stairways and landings servicing flats
Commercial units
Three-phase
Farm buildings