F150 vs Mustang Coyote: What's the Difference?
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
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When it comes down to it all, the F150 and Mustang Coyote are incredibly similar. The major differences come down to the intake cams, tuning, exhaust manifolds, and intake manifold. F-150 Coyotes are less performance-focused, but given the price differences, there’s no wonder that people are interested in using them for Coyote swaps.
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I work for the company that molded/manufactured the Gen 2 air intake manifolds for both the F150 and the Mustang. I can confirm 100% that the manifolds are different. This goes beyond just the silver colored upper cover shell of the Mustang manifold. The truck manifold does have longer runners. This difference necessitated the need for different injection molding and vibration welding tools between the two manifolds.
I'm looking for info on the torque #'s for the CNG intake manifold offered on my 2018 F-150. It has noticeably taller runners than the regular F-150.
Do you have any literature on torque ratings tunes etc?
@@davidmandziuk8493
What do you mean a “regular” F150?
I'd figured that much. Which is why folks change the intake cams and intake on the truck, and delete IMRC
@@davidmandziuk8493 natural gas?? Special ordered or a fleet model? I know that propane vehicles basically use a carburetor of sorts. Might be for AFM to properly occur before entering the combustion chamber..
I’ve been waiting forever to see someone that actually knew what they were talking about to break this down fast and simply. You sir, know your engines. Great video!!
This idiot doesn't know what he's talking about he says that the coyote 5.0 is better than the LS motor obviously he's never owned anything LS in his life so how can he compare it to he probably doesn't even race anything so he's just going by what the internet says.
Hater alert☝️
@@MartialArtsWizard nahh he’s right LS is better
He may be right, still a hater🤣
I appreciate the content. I had a gen 2 F150 variant, and currently have a gen 3 mustang variant, good to know the differences.
I have the coyote engine in my 2015 mustang gt premium I love hearing the sound when I'm driving down the road .definitely a great video
Thank you for this. Ive been wanting to do a coyote swap in my foxbody. Great information
The cast iron manifolds in the F-150 also tolerate more heat. They are better suited for sustained high RPM operation like towing heavy loads uphill.
It’s literally comparing two similar engines with different purposes. One isn’t better than other as a whole, instead one is superior to the other in it’s given purpose. Obviously subject to change because it’s still a Coyote with changeable parts and tune.
Great video
I have 5.0 Ford F-150 🚗 🚘
I have 5.8 Ford F-150
I have a 5.4 F-150
4.2 f150 :')
@@elmonarcasvt1561 my first truck was a 1997 F150 4.2L manual! I remember the day my dad bought it brand new when I was 7 years old. It had about 260K miles on it when I finally sold it. Damn good truck.
@@lucasblanchard47 same 300k miles and mine is still running
Very interesting comparison bro👍
I’ve always wondered what was the difference between the two! Great video 👏🏾
2018 ford f-150 4x4 5.0 coyote with the 10 speed transmission 395 horsepower great truck got a lot of speeding tickets in it
Thanks for the straight forward info👍🏾
Very good information. Big coyote fan learned a lot. Have a 2012 Mustang GT and a 2018 F-150 with the V8
Any oil consumption issues with the f150? I just got a 2018 5.0 an worried about it from all the horror stories
@@Jeff_Sigmon It use’s about half quart between oil changes.
You might also wanna add that gen2 f150 and mustang coyote heads are different different castings and different valves and valve springs
The more you know...
Great video. Thank you.
I have the 2014 version in my F150, and, I love it. Much better than the 5.3 v eights in my old Silverados.
I also loved to see a Coyote swap in an OBS F150 like the ones from 92-96.
Yess❗❗
@@tobiramasenju9321 Awesome brother.
Look up Cj in Texas. He put a coyote in a 1st gen lightning
@@bradraube4930 I've seen that video and man that Coyote swap Gen 1 Lightning sure does look badass.
It's been done. They're slower than the newer trucks due to how light the aluminum body is..
Perfect just what I needed thx
great video
really
Gen 3 Mustangs use MAF calculation for tuning, while the F-150s use MAP
Casual here what does that mean as far as what they do?
@@jdinn32 you can throw a cold air intake and it will automatically adjust and make more hp
@@plazmamasta193 thanks makes sense
Gen 3 Mustangs? Those are Fox body mustangs (1979-1993), which predated the Coyote by more than thirty years. The first Coyote V8 appeared on the late FIFTH gen Mustang for the 2011 model year, NOT the third gen Mustang.
Arwnt the gen3 f150 and mustang same cams specs??? The only difference theres is the timing sprocket been limited on the f150 motors. They both have same lift, lobe, duration . If im wrong shine in please!!
Just a little update for 2021, It makes 400 hp and 410 ft-lb of torque. And has cylinder deactivation+ belt drivin oil pump.
Is this good or bad?
@@kirrus4781 as of right now I'm not hearing any issues with the 5.0s this generation for its cylinder deactivation. So I would say it's a win win,
Gave you a thumbs up before even watching the video!
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Very interesting, great details here. Love the engine, my friend had a '12 GT convertible she let me drive a few times.
However: the praise heaped on the Coyote at the start, all of that could also be said of the LS engine (moreso the newer LT).
Other than power per liter, which is of course meaningless.
doesn't the coyote weigh more than the 6.2 ls and lt motor. the coyote makes more power per liter is a technicality of sorts.
@@senorpepper3405 I do not know their weights, I would imagine they're fairly close but DOHC heads certainly are not light.
Power-per-liter is a dick-measuring thing for the manufacturer and the brand's more juvenile fans. And in situations that specifically impose displacement limits (such as race leagues), but in the real world it's just another factor in getting the power you want.
Just to be clear, I'm a huge fan of the Coyote. I only drove a Gen 1 and that thing _flies_ - and sounds fantastic doing it. I would absolutely love this engine under the hood of my FR-S (if it would fit - I know an LS would 😄 )
Craig review for tgose motors, really nice video.
I think Ford should release a special 'sport' version of the F150 with a slightly modified version of the Mustang spec engine. It wouldn't be complex to do, and it would be perfect for those who mostly use their half-tons as family cars and want something more fun/special. The short tubular headers on the Mustang engine serve a fairly important purpose for managing exhaust pulses more efficiently over the cast log manifolds of the F150. Better mid to top-end torque/power. This is also the reason for going with good long-tube headers on a Mustang; even better flow management at high revs.
It wouldn’t make sense that would put it to compete against the ecoboost and that’s there top notch engine . You want more performance you need the ecoboost according to Ford
great video
my self i have 2013 F150 4x4 that has the Coyote 5.0 i love it
Good job!
I have a 2014 5.0 and I’m thinking of putting the 18+ manifold on it!
Same but my engine is gone, would I get the same out of my car if I get the f150 motor?
Nice explanation. It's funny, I am 302 to like this vid. 5.0 4ever!
I learned a lot from this video 📹
Install the Roush RT-570 kit on the F-150.
Good stuff. I have a gen 1 coyote in my 2011 f150 and a gen 3 coyote in my 2020 mustang.
Does your F150 require 91 octane like the mustang?
@@woohunter1 no. And you can run 87 in the stang but premium is preferred
What about the timing cover between both is there any difference
While it’s true that coyotes make more power per unit of displacement, they seem to be less compact than traditional pushrod engines. And really, what we care about is the engine size and weight required to produce the same amount of power, I think pushrods such as ls or hemis are better in this regard
Have you seen how large hemi heads are?
True that LS is smaller and lighter than the 5.0
The best part is than the gen 2 truck engine uses the old Windsor HO, Mod, Cleveland firing order. Which makes it sound much better than the Mustang coyote. But it also means no… Camshafts are not interchangeable between the two unless you’re going to make some serious changes.
Added a bored 2018 GT intake manifold to my 2016 F150. It’s a real difference. They are not the same. GT has shorter runners so it sits lower. Not missing any bottom torque with an updated tune.
Error..I’m sure someone’s already pointed it out but the Mustangs intake manifold is gray..F-150 is black..other wise very informative:)
Thanks for the insight,.... question,...does that stands for 1989 F150 as well
Do you know if the mustang Coyote intake cover will fit on the 13 f150
I would like to add that the cubic inch displacement from 11-17 was 302 and from 18 + is 307.
Can you you put a Mustang manual behind a f-150 block coyote?
I reserved a spot to order a 2021 Bronco...but now I’m really considering just waiting to see if they ever shove the 5.0 into a Bronco. Might just have to get a 2021 F150 single cab 4x4 with the 5.0 in the meantime! I think that would be a nasty little truck! I’d consider a SuperCab, too, just NOT a crew cab. That’s my personal preference.
Do it, I picked up a 2020 F150 2dr long box. Love it.
My dad and brother both bought 2016 F-150’s, shortbox, single cab 4x4, with dads having a 2.7 Ecoboost, my brother having the 5.0. The Ecoboost smokes the V-8 hands down when it comes to speed and acceleration , but the V-8 will out pull the Ecoboost, and get better gas mileage under load.
@@stevenlatham4397 I ended up finding a one owner 2021 F-150 XL SuperCab STX 4x4 5.0L in Lead Foot Gray! It’s so nice!
Important distinction you missed... F150 Coyote is Speed Density (via MAP/MAT) and Mustang is MAF... the tuning is totally different.
How much hp can the gen 3 coyote mustang hold?
Well I'd say power potential N/A maybe but is it really that big of a difference I mean sure stock but stock they have a lot more compression but you know cam and heads is there much difference
I’m a big fan of the F150 coyote V8.
Okay but the real question is. Is both f150 block it’s self with nothing else in it, is it any different from the mustangs block?
speed reader right here! Take a breath friend!
Does the headers from a coyote mustang fit an F-150 coyote
Well if you want the low end torque just throw a diesel in it cuz they’ve got gobs of it. On a flat surface is pretty hard to stall a diesel in a stick.
Well. Yes. But, you can't really buy a manual f150 new.. and honestly, most people can hardly be bothered to do the maintenance on a gas engine, let alone know the difference between that and diesel maintenance protocol
My question is are they directly interchangeable or would something have to be modified
What about superchargers ?
I have never seen cast iron headers that would be heavy I assume you mean exhaust manifolds
to make a f150 motor better than a mustang motor is mustang exhaust, mustang intake cam, and thats it, longer intake is better overall
So i bought an 11 mustang gt 2 years ago from carmax and now i just realized i had a f150 longblock the whole time im FBO now no e85 yet but car pulls hard the casting number on my shortblock says RFBR3E-6015-HD and one side of my heads says RFBRE-6090-CE any idea if this is an f150 longblock? Been looking online but i can’t find much info
I’m trying to find out the same thing
So making a F150 coyote engine to the mustang coyote engine standard is to change the intake manifold, exhaust manifold, cams, and it can more power than a mustang coyote, I got really confused there.
In other words, it’s not worth it. Purchasing a F-150 coyote engine for a mustang plus the cost to making it a mustang coyote wouldn’t be worth the buy. Just get a mustang coyote engine
Or... you can get a cheaper F-150 Coyote and add some aftermarket parts to out perform a stock GT Coyote. I think that is what he meant.
@@rorywynhoff1549 yes thats exactly what he said and meant lol
@@rorywynhoff1549 like a super charger 😎
A coyote in place of an M28 four valve? The Porsche 928 needs this!
What about the crankshafts ?
Is it true that the firing order is also different?
are the blocks the same?
Nevermind!
I was told you could add a super charger to the coyote. I have an F150 would that be a good thing?
Don't try it yourself
What about the firing order?
I want a 900whp Mustang what is a I know it won’t be cheap but let’s not get crazy build?
Want info on Fords VCT tuning? So does every 18+ F150 owner with off throttle grind lol
Stainless steel vs cast iron isn't just about weight... cast iron dissipates heat much MUCH worse.
My SC f150
Rcsb
Pops wheelies.
Ok i just got a 99 ford f150 with a 5.4l v8 triton. Is it possible to do an engine swap with a new coyote? This may be a stupid question but I am genuinely curious.
I believe so you’ll need the whole kit though . Even for fuel delivery. With money and patients it can be done
@@smurfeco2.358 thank you, that better puts in perspective the cost
@@cadenturnbough8140 You're talking at least 5K for a Coyote engine + 2K in labor for the swap......I won't do it on that particular generation of truck.
I had a 2012 coyote that was ticking at 60k miles got rid of it at 92k and have a used 2019 with 70k apparently it’s a gen 3 from research hopefully this one doesn’t tick
On a f150 sorry didn’t say that
Is there any difference in the gen 2 engines?
You skipped that in the vid...
Yeah he said across the board there is about 30-40 hp difference. That includes all gens
@@Hunter-xy7sc mechanical differences?
czcams.com/video/Rrk5Ax5iXyY/video.html
Here ya go, he can tell ya much better than me
Fuck it I'm getting the truck. If they're that similar you're just paying more for less cargo space with the mustang
Your wrong a test was done the coyote will break at a lower hp rating then the ls at a lower hp above1200 hp video on youtube somewhere on a dyno
The first gen coyote for the f150 had 360hp not 380hp as he posted. 385 is the f150 2nd gen.
I am curious does anyone know if the plasma wire arc cylinder coating used on the coyote engines for mustangs is the same as used in the F150 engines. The Gen3 coyotes in the F150 are having all sorts of issues with piston slap noises and high oil consumption. Just curious if they changed something or used a different method for the truck engines.
Same in the F-150 and mustang 2018 up. Both sound like a diesel after 25K miles. Stay away from gen 3 -5.0's. You'll be sorry!
The sounds pretty much goes away after switching to 5w-30. Mine went from making lots of ticking sounds to super quiet after the switch. Been on 5w-30 for 20k of the 30k I’ve had it.
I don't care,lol there both coyotes ! Love my f150 . I think Ford should of put a emblem on the f150 saying 5.0l coyote just like they do for the Ecoboost.
No mention of the better torque from the CNG intake manifold on the F-150. Noticeably taller runners than the normal F-150.
I thought the mustang had grey intake manifold and the truck had a black one? You said the opposite.
Looks like alot of people commenting have different engine's and are hating the coyotes. Ive seen a truck coyote in a old Ford wagon that will blow the doors off a dodge demon but was supercharged also. Don't hate just because you have something different it's pretty childish.
firing order is different between mustang and F150. Cams are not interchangeable.
The new gen v l83 5.3 is different than the previous ls more power and torque it makes hella power bro
l8t l86 l83 maybe l5p
No one cares.
@@adamdesjarlais8183 u the 1 responding
Still 100 year old push rod technology.
@@michaeldawson2661 And what exactly is wrong with the pushrod engine? Oxygen has been around much longer than pushrod engines yet you still breathe it. Sometimes keeping things simple and affordable has it's benefits. I do love the Coyote engine but have been burned by Ford cutting corners before. (5.4 Triton cam phasers and broken spark plugs). Even my 4.6 2v left me stranded when it's plastic intake decided to crack and empty it's cooling system at 86k miles (another horrible design to save a few bucks). I'm not a "fanboy" of any one manufacturer. I try and see the good in every design but when a company can do something better and looks the other way for profit it hurts a little more. I'll wait a bit longer this time around before changing my opinion on the old pushrod design.
Ford guy but coyote has less torque than LS engines and don't have near the potential as the LS pushrod engine because parts for coyotes are stupid expensive
uh, ok
Ummmm the LS doesn't have the power potential? Ever hear of boost and compression ratio? 11.0:1 isn't a good starting point to make high horsepower...
2017 ford f150 is what gen coyote??
@@paulelliott682 2018-2020 cause new 2021 f150 have cylinder deactivation, new power ratings, etc
Gen 2
@@mattmason7460 whats the latest model ? Gen 2 or is there a 3 or 4
Rolando Delarosa the ge3 is the latest version, it came out in 18. I have a 17 f150. The same guy that did this video, he had done one previously about the coyote motor and the diff generations of it.
Ford needs to make a 3.5 ecoboost stang. The 5.0 truck wants no part of the 3.5 truck
It actually comes really close, but 5.0 has it beat by a little. There's a video on that.
@@stevengonzales2238 the 3.5 outruns the 5.0. I’ll have to find the link. But they had a 5 star tuned 5.0 and 3.5 race each other and he 3.5 beat it
@@cjoutdoors2623 it really depends, then3.5 is no slouch but the 5.0 won't lose easily. Either the guy didn't know how to drive or the 3.5 had bolt ons. I seen 5.0s beat the 3.5 but not by alot. Either way there both beasts for pick ups
@@stevengonzales2238 maybe the newer 5.0s with the 10spds. But from all I’ve seen the 3.5s are just faster.
@@stevengonzales2238 which I have a f350. With the 6,7 that makes 597 wheel. The f150 5.0 10spds hang with me for a minute
I thought the mustang had the gray manifold not black
Jeffrey Sanders yes he did . My 16 mustang is gray and when I switched to a 18 manifold it’s also gray
sounds like the original 5.0 from the 80s
great video
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You forgot about the compression ratio......
Coyote in that stang all day 👍🏾
Its the mustang coyote swap into a same year truck plug and play
If the coyote is so good, how come there’s so much engine ticking and transmission problems?
Ain't no tic in my 15 700 hp coyote.
Why are you here?
You are wrong if you think the 5.0 is better than the LS . The LS with just bolt ons smokes 5.0 bolt ons. The only way the coyote motor keeps up with the na LS builds is boost. Obviously you've never seen the LS Coyote build-off they gave him a $10,000 budget and the coyote still could not be the LS motor
I'm a Chevy guy, but I would have to disagree with you. The 5.0 Coyote has more power potential than the LS in pretty much complete stock form, with intake, tune, and e85. No rods, cams, or heads needing swapped for more performance.
Compression ratio. 10:1 on f150
did this guy just say that the coyote is better then the LS? i guess thats why we see everyone coyote swaping their cars......
I rather have low end torque.
The LS is long gone.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to tell the intakes are different lmao just look at them
I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 135,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast as well (especially with the Borla ATAK). I have a video of it on my channel if you want to come see it sometime. Here's the link below to see the videoczcams.com/video/a8sh2WLSs7w/video.html
The LS will fit places a Coyote won’t due to it’s size. LS is narrower, and can easily make as much power as any Coyote.
Bcaz of the ohv setup
@@truckingjamaicans5045 cheap and easy to do timing chains
Still 100 year old push rod technology.
@@michaeldawson2661 and yet it still works great and can run with all that modern motor tech.
Yep thier is a reason the pushrod is still being used . Its proven reliable and Ford went back to it for a reason.