RTX 4070 - Is it the Most Efficient GPU? Small Form Factor GPU King?
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2023
- Even though the launch of the 4070 was the worst in recent history, this GPU does provide a level of performance in this generations smallest GPU. How efficient is this GPU vs power?
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I really like the RTX 4060, it's a shame Nvidia decided to put a 7 sticker on the 6 and charge a stupid amount of money for it, because it's otherwise a really nice lil GPU.
What about the 4 less vram than the previous gen. you only get 8GB VRAM on rtx 4060 but got 12GB VRAM on rtx 3060. rtx 4060 will also have a slower and lower memory bandwith and less cuda cores. it might also be priced at 300-400 dollars. the only good thing is mayber 10 more fps on the new rtx 4060 but everything else is cut down.
@@BladeCrew nvidia is a fuking joke I hate it as much as apple
@@BladeCrew i think you missunderstood the guy, he references that the 4070 should have been called the 4060
the same with 4080 12GB...4070ti now
Launching half a year after the 40 series debut at a price that's only marginally better than last gen offerings. Very exciting. And these companies wonder why it doesn't sell.
nvidia and amd don't care anyway. They make profit without "gamers"
Sound like you are confirming they are good/okay or better than previous ones anyway.
@@LeGaLiZeDOOMz They're slightly better, but it also means there's no real incentive to upgrade. Either you spend much more than you're used to or you spend the same and get a gpu that's not fast enough to really notice the upgrade.
Yeah, during the pandemic the issue was CLAIMED toi be supplies and production... well now Covid is a less problem, and the prices are still all to high.
One thing that irritates me, is AMD 6400 - 4GB gpu 180€... it has HALF the RAM of RX 580 that came out 6 years ago, and it looses in ALL games to the old card... AMD 580 cost 220€ in the days. My point, for those who don´t have much money they should get much MORE effect out of a new GPU for the 200€ price.
I picked up the Zotac Twin Edge version 4070. Its the smallest 4070 as far as I know. It does run a little warmer than 3 fan cards. 75° at stock or 67° at 150 watts in SFF case. I power limited mine to 75% and plus 150mhz on the core gets me better than stock performance at 150 watts while gaming.
Same here bro. I’m zooming in gta 5 1080p
Cool analysis! We all know the 40-series has pricing problems, but you have to hand to Nvidia on the efficiency front. Ada seems to scale down very well.
I'm building a SFF and I'll be selecting a GPU with min 16GB VRAM without bus width and memory speed being throttled. That pretty much rules out nVidia. The reason I'm selecting this as a spec is so I can recoup money in the used market when I wish to upgrade. I feel anything less than this spec will likely struggle to play future games with reasonable fps and settings, which means no one will buy it, because even if the GPU is used, the games people want to play will not be old. Also used cards in 3-4 years will be competing with AMDs new APU chips. That in itself may completely change the SFF and gaming pc market expectations.
On a different note I'd like to see you and Iceberg Tech collaborate. I believe that both your channels would be able to provide useful insight and meaningful metrics for gamers.
Intel on the otherhand seems appealing, if the system is a secondary one and it is not for sale, it will be great to witness how Intel optimises the A770 16GB.
It's a great little card. It's $100 too expensive but if you look at it from an engineering standpoint it's really impressive. Getting 3080 performance at between 165w to 185w power draw is pretty awesome considering the 3080 uses 315w or more. The 4070 is the the best GPU you can get with a power draw under 200w. It makes sense for ITX builds and if that's what you're building I can recommend this card. However for mid tower ATX and above it's a skip as their are better options for the money.
You dont have German elecricity pricing...
At 399 and branded a 4060, it'd be ok. As a 4070, hard pass.
I love how the top seller on Amazon's GPU top sellers is an support bracket. Truly, we've never been in a better market.
Honestly, that's just the perfect card for me.... if i lived in a camper with a solar system.
Immagine if after an intense session of gaming you consume all the electricity and you have to wash you balls with cold water... This would never happen with an efficient 4070
i'd just get a console at that point
5:00 Have u tried this with a 4080 for best watts to performance?
remember when 1080 models were selling at 600? and now we get just an efficient 3080 with a 70 branding
Wait, did you return your 4070 ti for the 4070?
When I first saw "Wild Life" on your graph, I thought of a completely different game.
hey guys can I run a 4070 on the same system that a 2060 run? Looking at the power usage looks like 2060 consume even more.
What is your PSU rating? If your PSU is 500W or more, then sure. If it is lower, then it depends on if you are just gaming and on which games. Most games at lower resolutions won't be using up to 200W on that 4070. And you can always undervolt a little to lower power consumption. Going from a 2060 to a 4070 is a big upgrade, enjoy!
@@ImaMac-PC hey bro its a 500w 80+ bronze aerocool I think I will be fine
If that was named 4060 and priced accordingly, it will hands down be the best selling GPU
Let me explain to you why no one is buying the 4070 and why it looks so efficient for the xx70 class GPU
3060 - 106/104 die, 12GB, 192-bit bus, 360 GB/s, 33% of cores, 276 mm2 die - $330
4070 - 104/104 die, 12GB, 192-bit bus, 504 GB/s, 32% of cores, 295 mm2 die - $600
Let's add to this that the 4070 is only 30% faster than the 3070 when the real uplift from Ampere to Ada is over 70% (3090 -> 4090). This GPU is a scam.
Precisely! The 4070 should have been/needs to be $400 to be interesting or even worth purchasing.
@@devindykstra Exactly. Who would buy a $600 GPU with only 12GB of VRAM?
Jensen lost his mind if he thinks that this will work and people will buy this crap for $600, especially in today's economy. Let it rot.
If someone wants to say that the 30xx series was an exception and wants more proof that this is the 60-class card...
1060 was 5% slower than the 980, 2060 was on pair with 1080, 3060 was 10% slower than the 2080, "4070" is 3-5% slower than the 3080.
1060 has 33% of full die cores, 2060 has 42% of cores, 3060 has 33% of cores, "4070" has 32% of full die cores.
This is the 4060 12GB for $600 and that's why no one is buying this. Make it $400 and maybe people will buy it but 12GB for $400 would be still questionable in 2023.
People are just all hype and no substance. RTX 4070 is 70 series card which offers lower than usual performance gains while offering 50% more VRAM, usable RT performance, amazing power efficiency and DLSS 3 technology for the same value as excellent Ampere generation.
While not amazing, RTX 4070 is still a good card to buy. Deal with it.
Btw: You are being disingenuous by showing us wrong MSRP, but I honestly cannot expect level head, factual analysis of situation from youtube commenters.
Nvidia is a scam period
I got mine with the $100 steam card and i dont regret a thing. especially since steam just had a sick jrpg sale. Ironically yes you are right i had a 2070 super berfore this.
BEYOND ACCEPTABLE
A lot of SFF people are calling the A4000 SFF (ada) the SFF king but it ain't cheap. It's a shame Nvidia restricts blower style fans on AIB cards, the 4070 really would be the SFF king if you could get it in the same formfactor as the A4000 SFF. There is also AMD's upcoming APU's, don't know if they will compete with intel for things like quicksync but they may very well gut the low end GPU market.
It’s so efficient that it doesn’t need to run newest AAA title games.
In Europe the 4070 is already available widely at 550€ it's not temporary, or due to "rebates", which are not a thing in the old continent. It's rather about retailers taking the hit to free themselves of an overstock of unsellable cards.
Where in Europe? Because in Belgium the cheapest model is still 659€
@@AlienGenotype if I had to guess probably Germany.
Smaller countries generally lower prices much slower afaik.
@@ghosthunter0950 cheapest one i can find on german online stores is 599, and that's for the absolute lowest model
One thing is for certain, Nvidia is trying to min-max and will do it to its own customer base. After the "mining craze", they are now trying to normalize very extreme prices. Instead of helping consumers by lowering costs, their literally stopping production to just create a artificial scarcity to milk customers for more money. These people only have dollar signs in their eyes and I hope they choke on it. Console gaming has never looked better sadly.
got one on sale not really needing an upgrade but i needed it my 3070 ti got 90deg C all the time thermal throttling and dumping heat in my room in my case(microATX)which would barely fix my GIANT Gigabyte card this one runs at 60c max, power consumption was as low a 3watts at idle 6- 9w watching youtube this is the most impressive GPU to date. imo
faster isn't always better if it can't sustain that performance is it too expensive (Absolutely) i miss the days of my $300 gtx 1080
If you have an rtx 30 card it makes sense not to upgrade for 40 cards, but if you are holding a 20 series or below. Then they might consider it. What might be terrible value for us. might be good for them. Case to case basis
It's terrible value even for them, because the 4070 isn't delivering much. It's not mid range, it's low end. 4080 is mid range. The 4070 is basically only twice as fast as a 1080ti. That's not really much in the grand scheme of things. So even people with older GPU's would simply be buying into modern low end performance, for high prices. Its been possible to have the performance level of a 4070 for several years now, such as if someone ran a 1080ti SLI. That also means not only is the 4070 not giving much in terms of performance, it's also already pretty much obsolete performance, or at least, a performance level on the verge of being obsolete. And it shows, because the 4070 can't even max out the latest games at 1440p to drive a 144hz monitor. It only gets 60-100 fps at 1440p. And 1440p 144hz is pretty much minimum standard these days. If it can't do that today, it definitely will be doing even less tomorrow. So in less than 2 years, the 4070 is going to basically be a 30fps 1440p card. And at $600 that's just hard to swallow for a performance level that is aging like milk.
And to top it off, you also basically need to upgrade your CPU to get the most out of it. People trying to extend the life of their older system, will find even less performance out of it, or have to pay even more to upgrade. They're more likely to just not upgrade at all and stick with what they have, because at that point buying a 4070 basically requires buying an entirely new system. So the 4070 is at just a high enough performance level that people need to upgrade other parts to get the most out of it, while at the same time at a low enough performance level that it's going to be an obsolete performance level in less than 2 years. And buying an over priced GPU, only to get less performance out of it because you didn't upgrade your CPU, is just going to make paying for the overpriced 4070 even less worth it. The 4070 is a $400 GPU priced at $600, and a person who buys one without upgrading their CPU, is only going to be getting ~$400 worth of performance out of a card they paid $600 for.
@@peoplez129 value differ from people to people as I told you before(has a lot of factor to consider). And 1440p at 144hz is not standard a lot of people still 1080p at 60fps. If people perceive value the same. Then nobody will buy rtx 4000 right now bec for majority of people it's bad value
true why buy a 4070 when you can buy a 6950xt for the same price or cheaper lol
The Arc A770 16gb is a better deal through and through.
But the Nvidia brand is strong in people's minds.
The a770 barely competes with the 3070. Maybe next Gen Intel can step it up.
For me a power consumption of under 200W is the best. I like it and I feel good about it. That is under extreme load of course.
The smaller size is also good and I like that in a GPU. Especially when I have large PC case.
As it is now I am poor and broke so even if it was at 100 I wouldn't be able to afford it, but that doesn't take away the pricing being too high for my taste, for the class that it is.
As for the 4060 series, for me, if the performance is normal, I would say a mid 200 price point would be acceptable. But that's me.
I have a similar rule of thumb to stay below 200W
@@greatwavefan397 I like you already.
Well that's some great first words for the video after buing the RTX 4070, it's coming in a week
Ok it saves power but is any good otherwise saving power but low performance isn't a win
160w 4070 which is equal to 3080 is amazing on the paper. If only they could hit like 549$ from the start or better even 500$, but they don't need mindshare much they are already monopolists. The cheapest 4070 in Ukraine is 723$, due to euro prices for gpu's + taxes + war logistic situation. So for some markets at those prices those gpu's mostly DOA.
The cheapest new 3080 is now only 50$ cheaper than 4070 and its 670$. Used 3080 - 550usd, the same price I bought it 14 months ago.
If the people who bought a 2070/Super didn't shut their eyes and ears until the 4070 was announced, an 80% increase in performance was available back in 2020 with the RTX 3080 and later with the 6800XT and the 6900XT - all of which can be had for less than a 4070 now (used in case of 3080) and with even more VRAM than the 2070S and probably better RT performance, not to mention DLSS2/FSR 2.
Heck. with FSR the RX6800 is probably 80% better than the 2070S with more VRAM than the 4070.
I'd love to see if how much incremental power/unit performance efficiency a 4070 has over an undervolted and slightly underclocked 6800XT - I bet it's good, but not great. Certainly not worth the VRAM sacrifice and $100 more.
Nope - the answer to "who is the 4070 for?" is "Not me" in almost all cases unless it's a $450-479 card - which would ironically make it a great price/performance upgrade over the 2070 Super :)
If you were a lawyer you'd win every case.
A single fan small PCB 4070 would be so good. Pity it doesn't exist and we have to use the gimp mode 4060/4060Tis
I would love an R9 Nano form factor with the 4070. It could be done with a little undervolt. It doesn't seem any AIB is interested. The market for SFF and ITX is seemingly too small (and now very expensive....which makes the market even smaller).
problem in 4070 is too little memory for 1440p...is in the edge of normal play...for 2160p is not enoght memory to play normal in new games...that card for 1440p is now obsolete....on start! and they want 600 $ for THAT?!
It should have been released as a 4060 not a 4070 at $450.
60 class is $350
this would sell like hot cakes if they made this a 4060 ti at 400-450
Ill stick to sucking 500w to feed my 3090....IDC about power usage.
I grabbed a 4070 as an upgrade from my GTX 1080, and I absolutely love it (hot take, I know). At only 20W higher total power draw than my 1080, and still using a single 8-pin connector + letting me continue using my existing 650W SFF PSU? WITH up to 3x the performance at High and Ultra settings (for the games I play; like Horizon: Zero Dawn or Tony Tina’s Wonderlands) AND at a much lower temperature under full load (never breaking 60C on the 4070 (even when running Cyberpunk on Ultra with RT Overdrive enabled) vs my 1080’s regular low-70s up to 82C)? Hell. Yes. I’m using the ASUS Dual version of the card, for those interested.
I was originally going to grab a 3070 until I heard about the 4070, which was great as it was basically a much more efficient 3070 (easily trading blows with a 3080) at 100W less power. For me, and my particular use case + games played, the 4070 is for all intents and purposes the be-all-end-all 1080p GPU that I can see lasting me at least the next 6 years. Before someone starts going on about VRAM: It’s not a concern for me. I rarely exceed even 6GB VRAM used, let alone the 12GB the 4070 has to work with.
Naturally, MY use case and circumstance is not the norm. And for my friends otherwise who’re looking to upgrade from 30-series, I generally tell them to pass this card up. But when this kind of card meets my kind of scenario; it’s a dream come true.
Just Imagine how much happier you would have been if the card was $350 like it should have.
@@Icureditwithmybrain And soon 12GB is not enough for 1080P High settings, not talking about low fps, but unable to run the game XD
On the other hand, I spent $300 on an AMD 6700XT that has 12GB, yeah it is slower, but it is time to give team red or blue a shot.
@@Basics_of_Gameology you are smoking glue if u think 12 gb wont be enough for 1080p high
I bought the 4070 gigabyte gaming oc. I returned before a 7900xt (it strong but it had unbearable coil whine, and andrenalin is dogsh!t). I am happy with the decision
Yeah I had issues with adrenaline as well. How the experience with the 7900xt going for u now a days?
@@creed1741 i have 4070ti since. I use it for 4K ACCompetizione streaming. Very happy with it.
People who seek.any form of efficiency dont look just at the power consumpion but also future proofness. 12gb is a joke in that department for the asking price.
When Jensen will add CPU, storage, power supply, enclosure and controllers to the GPUs we can pay extra. Otherwise he falls way short in comparison to the console.
i am hoping the rtx 4060 wil will launch with 12 gb vram despite the 8gb rumor.hoping the nvidia see the recent reviews change the vram to 12gb. its has 115 watt perfect for my 450 watt corsair cx psu. if it the 4060 is 12 gb i will buy it
4060ti will be 8gb which basically makes it dead on arrival. nothing new should release with less than 12gb now.
The first 4070 I saw on the top ten newegg list was one at #97. The Arc A380 is outselling the best selling RTX 4070 several slots higher. The A770 16gb is far outselling it at 30 slots higher and with the best selling Newegg 4070 being at #97 guess how many 6950xt's 6800xt's or 6800 models are outselling the 4070. About 7 different models were outselling it, and about as many Rx 7000 models are outselling it. The 4070ti is creaming it with a ton of models above #97. Even a Gt 710 is above the #97 slot ie Outselling the 4070, and the 4080 has a decent amount of models that are outselling the best selling RTX 4070, and there are only 2 RTX 4070s in the top 100 matching how many Intel Arcs are in the top 100
10-Year Gen-on-Gen Performance Comparison NVIDIA GPUS | XX70 GPU vs Last-Gen XX80 GPU
The GTX 970 (2014, $330) was 21% faster than the GTX 780 (2013, $650)
The GTX 1070 (2016, $380) was 29% faster than the GTX 980 (2014, $550)
The RTX 2070 (2018, $500) was 16% faster than the GTX 1080 (2016, $600)
The RTX 3070 (2020, $500) was 26% faster than the RTX 2080 (2018, $700)
Source: TechPowerUp GPU Database
The RTX 4070 (2023, $600) was 0% faster than the RTX 3080 (2020, $700)
The problem the performance improvement between Gen to Gen this years is joke not like it was in old gen's and even prices was high in 2021 because many reason like Corona and shortage in component and high demande because they use GPU to profit from Cryptocurrency mining so now people will not buy with that high price for not profit from mining . Basically we used to see XX60 match or so close to the peformance of next Gen XX80.
And even price increase caused by inflation it must not passe 20% ( 2020 to 2023 inflation increase 17%).
✓So conclusion :
- RTX 4070 should be named RTX 4060 and priced 500$.
- RTX 4070 Ti should be named RTX 4070 and priced 600$.
- RTX 4080 has good performance but is overpriced and should be priced 900$
- RTX 4060 Ti should be named RTX 4060 and with at least 12gb vram and priced 400$
- Incoming RTX 4060 should be named RTX 4050 and priced 300$
Perhaps being too generous with nVidia , this is what I'd want to see..
The 4090 should be us$1499 but with fully enabled AD102.
The 4080 should be $799 with 20GB gddr6x on a 320-bit bus but same AD103 config.
The 4070 should use the same AD104 as the current 4070ti but with a 16GB gddr6x on a 256-bit bus and cost $549
The 4060 should be what is currently released as a 4070 but priced $349
The 4050 should be what is currently planned as a 4060ti and priced $249
I am impressed, that 4070 efficiency is consumed by everyone, even 4070 sticker is on 4060ti gpu.
4090 vs 3090 offers 63perc performance uplift, die size is very similar 608 vs 628.
4070 has die size very similar to 3060, also having same memory bus and capacity, but memory type of 70 class, if I can call it this way. Most important think is "4070" has most likely that same performance uplift over 3060ti as 4090 vs 3090.
So IMHO 4070 should get similar price inflation percentual markup over 3060ti as 4090 gets over 3090.
399USD plus 70percent, then just bit more for extra 4GB of memory, MSRP definitely not more that 499USD.
So the efficiency should be compared to 3060ti given the idea we stick to generational same uplift for all tiers.
Otherwise Nvidia milking lower tiers way more, which we already certainly know.
Maybe I am completely wrong and missing the fact, Nvidia was too generous with 4090 value and offers just right value at lower tiers of 4000 series, lol.
RTX 4050 6 gig card out in june
If it was less than $400 it would sell I think.
Thank you for this different approach. While I might not be among the majority - I am interested in good GPUs - where you can use them POWER EFFICIENT or then if need is LET GO. I would want to buy a card that is a bit above what I actually need, and then drop power use to get it efficient... and it would then still be a bit more future proof.
The electric bills went through the roof with the Ukraine war last winter, and came down to the summer. Now due to problems we have really high prices again, temporary 25-35 c/kWh in Europe... normal price is something around 5-7 in the spring.
Another thing to this is HEAT... the more WATTS the more heat... on a warm summer day, you don´t want your room to be a sauna...
Third issue is a long term GREEN line... fighting against global warming. 10 million players reducing (GPU) wattage with 50W is 500 million watts less usage.
Thanks. Getting a GPU and then dropping the wattage is a great way to also make it last longer since it will run cooler too. I had to do that with my Vega 64 since the 300W was too much but at 240-250W it's not so bad. The small room I have is much better with the lower wattage.
@@ImaMac-PC yes, the issue came up when my daughters room was really warm, when she plays with a closed door. So this was interesting!
The 4070 is a fine GPU. The price is the problem.
FINAL,Y IT HIT 549 ITS WORTH IT NOW
"the Launch" isn't the problem...the price and the "70" brand is.
technicaly, this gpu is indeed "4060 ti"...12GB+192bit= nvidia 60 card
...4060ti with 12GB for $400? sure, why not? 4070 16GB 256bit for $500? hell yeah. 4070 ti 20GB 320bit for $600? oh god yes.
but...nGreedia is nGreedia and you see the results...
Nah fam, overpriced
It's not a 70 series card. End of.
Mac user channel?
Buy 3090 + $720 best price ever, fk 4070 haha
GPUs are good, pricing is bad
4070 👎
i paid 500 for my rtx 4070 due to microcenter not having the steam 100 gift card. for 500 it is very good card.
nobody is buying cause we know this is a 60 class card and should cost $400 at most.
It's simply overpriced. They'll just sit on shelves and rot until nvidia comes to their senses. AMD could grab marketshare if they priced their 7700XT at 450 but it doesnt seem to be their goal.
😂all 4000 Gpu is so expensive. Yeah All thks to gamer vote more Sleepy Joe biden the more the better then in 2024 & Destroy gamer Quicker😅
People are just all hype and no substance. RTX 4070 is 70 series card which offers lower than usual performance gains while offering 50% more VRAM, usable RT performance, amazing power efficiency and DLSS 3 technology for the same value as excellent Ampere generation.
While not amazing, RTX 4070 is still a good card to buy. Deal with it.
Appeal .... Are y fkn kiddin me ... Its overpriced renamed 4060 silicon..