Why I Left Big 4 Consulting at Deloitte - I QUIT MY JOB!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 10. 02. 2021
- I quit my Big 4 consulting job! Why I left & ALL the dirt. Why I can no longer go back to corporate & what I'm up to next + how I found my purpose in my career.
I'm just sharing my story - everyone has a different experience and yours could be totally different depending on your team. It's not meant to discourage anyone from consulting or Big 4 firms, I'm just sharing why it was no longer worth my time.
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I left my job as a Manager of Data Science & Analytics in the M&A team at Deloitte Canada. After working there for 3 years I was burntout by the toxic work culture and with my previous pursuits in finding a meaningful career, now I am on the journey of building my Life After 30 podcast (Latte Podcast) and a community of masterminds who are passionate about their career & finding fulfillment (iamimpactful.com)
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0:34 Why I made this video & why it would be helpful for you
1:42 For those feeling unfulfilled in your life & career đđ» Join FB Group: Iâmpactful ( / 1422827118060021 )
2:44 My Back Story
4:36 Job vs Career Vs Mission
5:16 Switching from Advertising Firm to Deloitte
5:58 Why being technical (Data Scientist) at Deloitte will kill you
6:17 The Tea on Toxic Work Culture
7:02 The side hustles I tried
8:03 My epiphany to leave Deloitte
8:53 My sad AF pay raise
10:46 FINALLY getting to my story of leaving
15:20 The events before Doomsday
18:22 How I felt when I quit & 3 weeks after
22:00 Ways to join me on my journey
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That fancy building, equipment, etc. is all sugar-coating, a mirage to mask the soulless and pointless nature of the job itself.
Haha thatâs hilarious đ
I just quit my job at big 4 for the same exact reasons and I thought I was crazy and alone. This video was spot on!
You got this! Youâre definitely not alone đ
I'm currently working at a Big4 firm (at the advisory department, performing FDD analysis) and I have decided to quit at the end of the month...I'm 21, I don't want to live my life this way...we don't live just to work, our job provides us the means ($$$) to eventually do all the other things that we enjoy. And of course we need to find a job that we actually like since it consumes approximately 1/3 of our time...we have alternative options, let's not stay in a job that makes us feel unhappy and miss all of the other beautiful things in this life!
no don't do that.
your route to freedom is working hard and saving up now and compounding your wealth.
it buys you your freedom down the line.
its just that the monetary system now has been so corrupted
that hard work is not rewarded but in fact cheated
while crooks with access to cronies up top get to offload their losses and steal the gains from the hardworking.
as a ex Deloitte employee must say, at least hang in there 3-5 years after that you will have the expertise to do alot of things, the advantage of Big4 you get to know alot of really impressive and smart people
Damn your 21 and already work as a consultant? Props, did you like skip a school grade or just finish college early by cramming all your courses in like 3 years?
@@hisokamorow8388 hahaha no, I didn't skip any school grades, I'm currently at my final year at university (4th year) and I'm working at PwC simultaneously!
(I'm from Greece)
@@kellylina9762
Don't feel imprisoned. Look at your current expenditure and see if you'll have any significant savings if you keep working there.
If not, then leave. It's about your happiness.
You know what, thank you for this! I have been having a battle between accounting and social work. Both professions are very stressful. However, not every field in social work is like that. Iâm more into macro, public programs, etc. Instead of clinical, therapy, etc. Thank you for your honest review and making us all remember that no money can buy a fulfilling feeling within ourselves.
thanks for your comment! I'm glad you found this a helpful reminder. You only have so much time on earth, so do what makes you happy :)
you can also do volunteering on your off times from accounting
which one are you doing now?
Love the Passion and transparency. This is what is needed in 2021 and beyond
Hehe Iâm glad my passion shows through!
Leaving consulting is the best decision I have made. Putting 90+ hours a week in an impossible project with a $30 million contract on the line while repeatedly being told it's not enough was very draining. I woke up at 5 AM and worked through 1 AM living off of vending machine food and 4 hours of sleep. I was told on a number of occasions to implement features that would have been 8 or 13 user story points the very NEXT morning ready for UAT. When I explained that it's not possible or it won't be good on release I get the whole "non-negotiable" spiel. The concerns I expressed daily of not having enough developers to meet go-live requirements in time were ignored. I knew missing go-live date would extend the nightmare for another 6 months. I was told "it was a very important project and to just stick it out". Just one example of toxicity out of many: I jumped in the shower at 7 AM and missed an impromptu call from the PM by 5 minutes. I was chewed out in front of everyone.
Damn that sounds hella draining. Glad you left! Sounds like they wanted a robot đ€
Exactly, even when you let them know something isnât feasible they still blame it on you at the end of the day. Itâs high time they realise that tech consulting is not the same as finance or management consulting. Glad you left!
Thankyou so much, glad I relate to people who feel the same way. Live your dream, follow your passion !
Don't you just love the life at a Big4.
No matter what you do and how hard you work, they'll find ways to shaft their employees.
Meritocracy does not exist, and your performance is based on your ability to game the politics with the upper management.
Honestly, the prestige of working at a Big4 has become such a marketing shill through the recruiting events.
There are better opportunities outside, and hoping more people realizes this before selling themselves short to these firms.
Good on you for having the courage to quit!
Haha thanks for the comment & sharing the same sentiments đ comments like these make it worth sharing the story đ„
I definitely didnât, they broke me lol i donât want to work anymore never ever
Thank you so much for this honest experience! Quitting a toxic workplace saved me! I am now liberated, became happier, productive and focused on the things that drive me and pay me wayyyy waaayyy better!
that's awesome! thanks for sharing! btw what you doing now?
@@EuniceLo I started a think-tank of independent practitioners (mostly recovering consultants) who use our collaborative network to acquire project work - with which they are comfortable and with preferred clients.
I am also using my time to focus on my other passions and desired business ventures.
@@mulshideleasjr.1297 amazing! Love the collab between ex consultants. Whatâs your passions & business ventures??
Great video - seems that this past year was a huge eyeopener for most people. Follow your passion!
Thanks! How was this past year for you?
Thanks for the insight. Keep the videos coming
Well spoken! Great job for following your passion!
Thanks Tim for the support đ„°
I definitely want to hear the crazy stories! Some tea has been spilled but there is a lot left in the cup!
Yes!! I need part 2! You are really brave to share with us your experience. I am going to hope the second part. (Sorry if I have some mistakes in my English đŹ)
Currently a Manager at Big 4! You've hit on some great points. Good content. Thx! :)
Keep it up at the Big 4!! đȘđ»
I love this. Keep on thriving!
Thanks! âïž you as well đ„
You literally told my story but in asset mgt space - went through very similar things to you - very toxic place and people that scarred me from the corporate world. I left without a job or a hussle - now figuring out what to do next - want to explore other opportunities that provide income even if it means a lot less money. You only live once and life is not meant to be lived miserably in a rat race selling your souls for $$
Congrats! You are so brave to have left! How has it been since you left?
This is the most transparent review I have come across, our experiences are very similar! I also kept my business aside and started side hustles, cause i was overworked and underpaid for working 9-11
Thank you for sharing! I quit my toxic workplace two month ago. Now I realized I took the the right decision .
Great video - really well told! Was interesting to hear your perspective as a Manager given that Manager and Senior Manager seem like tough positions since you have to balance project execution and sales.
Thanks! & definitely why a lot of people usually leave after the manager level to go to industry & get better culture or $
how's consulting been for you?
@@EuniceLo yeah true, I heard M is the perfect time to exit so sounds like you optimized your time in consulting!
Aside from my first project which was terrible, it's been good so far! I've gotten lucky though and have had the chance to work with cool SMs on my projects.
@@ChangNation LOL idk about optimized... some things I wish I knew sooner to make the time more enjoyable but M & SM is def best for showing your expertise
@@ChangNation which practice are you in?
@@EuniceLo i feel like a lot of people I started with ended up leaving within the first two years so hitting M is def an accomplishment!
I'm in the tech practice, specifically SAP
Thanks for sharing your journey!
It's so interesting that during my research for this career I came across so many consultant CZcamsrs who hyped up the life, and then after a few months passed they'd post how they quit/left. Just goes to show in-depth research is important cause if I just watched the videos that showed they were happy then I would still believe I wanted this career.
Currently working at Deloitte, and I am lucky enough to be remote. It really depends on the type of team you are apart of, and your manager. I definitely agree with the fights involving clients, but it definitely comes with the territory. Deloitte does pay well, and you really control your career to a certain degree. As for long hours, it all depends on the contract you are on. Also, yes there will be some fake people, but thatâs at any job. People are scared of getting fired for being themselves so everyone puts on a front.
So, happy to hear you weighted out you life from Deloitte to a wonderful Podcast channel. You seem so happy just listening to you speak about your life.
Dang girl, good for you on making the jump. TBH, our job is not our whole life--our life has other meanings in life. Wish you the best!! And supporting you on your journey
Thanks!! Glad you made the switch too!
Eunice, great content love everything you're saying about working for consulting companies. Thank you:-))
Yes - Part II Please!!!!!!!!
love this. thank you for sharing
My pleasure! Thanks for the comment âïž
Thank you for sharing your story!
Iâm in my last semester of master of human resource management and did an internship at Deloitte and let me tell you how burnt out I was after 4 months. I got an offer to come back as an analyst in March. Iâm honestly doing it to get to a position where I can easily be employable. Also want to start CZcams next year.
2 years later, how are you doin
Iâm still at Deloitte. Got promoted to a consultant last year. Will leave at senior consultant level, although burnout was not as bad as an intern (itâs manageable). Didnât start the CZcams channel though đ
When this channel would cross a million subs, I would feel proud that I have have been following it since it had around 300 subs.đ
I remember when I was in big 4, I never had a good sound sleep, always the dialogues of client, managers and team used to run in my head all the time, after some time it was on my nerves.đ
- Love from Asia
Haha thanks for the love & belief that Iâll hit a mil subs đȘđ» glad youâve left that environment đ„
You really spoke out the truth. I'm working at a Big 4 consulting firm in HK. The work hours are not acceptable and the payoff is way below market average, which is so discouraging. The management doesn't care about your personal growth and they just treat you like a money machine. They try to make the most money out of you. I wish I can leave this place as soon as I can.
my fellow canto! hope you are able to find a way out!
I really love you for this ! Iâm a data engineering manager Iâve quit yesterday and can resonate with you like đŻ ! Now on my way up to find my mission and lead my life as itâs very finite ! đ„° thanks again for this video !
What an amazing video. Can relate to it in every way
THANKS!
Helpful insights. Consulting is really sounding more brutal the more I see videos like these. Thanks.
Great video. My experiences working at Deloitte was eerily the same as yours. Even all the "perks" are garbage like parties as they were really thinly guised networking events where you couldn't be yourself and everyone ended up talking about work anywhere since they literally had no life out of it. The biggest common misconception about travel was you get to travel to cool places, but the reality is you rarely get to choose and you are working so much, you don't even get to enjoy the city anyway. I generally travelled in the Midwest US and places like Collegeville, PA and Bartlesville, OK. Everyone that was manager/ senior manager's I met looked like dead inside as they had internal sales pressure from the PPMD's and external pressure from their client counterpart that sponsored the project. The quality of life there was so dependent on the project and team as well as PPMD support.
Unfortunately for me, I got laid off from Deloitte due to Covid and still not sure if it's a blessing in disguise as I'm still currently looking for a job and trying to figure out what I actually want to do.
Deloitt-ed to meet you! LOL, glad we suffered similar experiences but sad you got laid off. I was chatting to a SM who got laid off a year ago and they it turned into a blessing because now they're in a culture & environment she can be her full self.
which team were you in & what jobs are you apply for now? how would you feel about staying in your field vs doing something else?
@@EuniceLo How Deloitte-ful haha. Awesome that the SM is doing better now. Did she move to industry?
I was part of Enterprise Operations in their SAP practice. I'm trying to stay in tech but want to move into cloud computing but finding it very hard since my background does not fit it. Also looking for better WLB opportunities.
@@phoshov yeah the SM moved to industry so much better Work life balance.
Have you tried doing some networking with ppl in the jobs you want?
I so wish I had this advice right before I had a heart attack at the ripe old age of 40 while working at Deloitte; they couldnât even send me flowers while in my 1 month stay on the Cardiac Unit.
Letâs just be honest ... Deloitte DOES NOT care about their employees and if I had passed away, they would have had some in Orientation and then in my chair before I was cold in my grave ... FACTS!
And YES ... I too was in Consulting on the federal government engagements
Oh no! Iâm so sorry that happened! Thatâs definitely not a healthy work environment. Iâm glad youâre in a much better place now âșïž
Great video. Thank you for sharing your personal experience. Please share stories about deloitte đ
I felt the same way. Thank you for the video
Hi fellow Eunice! I just quit my pharmacist job too! Love what youâre doing! Now focusing on creating my own job and of course youtube and Instagram!
Omggg we have the same name! Love your channel btw gonna hit you up on IG and connect about kbeauty & life as a creator. Btw your Beauty Inside thumbnail reminds me of Chungha đ
@@EuniceLo yes would love to connect!! Haha I love chunghas dances so much đđ» đ
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I couldnât be savageâŠlmaođâ€ïžthank you for this. Iâm currently exploring D. Not in consulting though. My friends who work in consulting concur itâs not for everyone and itâs a real hustle and GRIND! However, for your team to expect you to not recalibrate emotionally and mentally during a company wide break is indicative of simply not being valued and you chose you and that could never be a wrong choice. Congrats.
8 months into my advisory job at a Big 4. everything you said resonates and rethinking about when I should quit.
Lol Iâm actually making a video about it soon since so many ppl asked. Stay tuned!
I struggle if I am over complaining or this is a normal feeling because we are working more than ever in a pandemic but no one talks about it
@@ineedcoughee thatâs a very good question, any more you have?
@@EuniceLo should I study medicine?
@@hokageenergy9599 whatâs your reasons for studying medicine?
Thank you because I just started and I hate my job. any advice on how to quit ?
Can you make a video on your next steps. How did you realize your why/ who/ next career? How did you move towards that? Basically the continuation after this life event. Thank you
This was an entertaining storytime haha, I really enjoyed the As Told By Ginger reference
Yessss someone with the same sense of humour as me!
I worked in the same building that Deloitte was in and thereâs a coffee shop at the bottom floor that everyone goes to. The Deloitte people always looked stressed or beat down and iâve seen a lot of them treat the baristas like garbage or they dump their emotions on them after being asked, âhow was your dayâ. Iâm like waiting for my coffee and witnessing these micro-car crashes that are sad Deloitte consultants. Their collective rude or depressing behavior towards non-Deloitte people is telling of how toxic their workplace is but thatâs just what i drew from my observations and from former Deloitte employees that rage quit in the hallway by the elevators.
haha we might have been in the same building! You only saw the ones who had time to go and take a coffee break đ
after this video I am so glad I declined the job offer from Deloitte and stayed at my current employer. I guess my next move is the startup space.
Thank you for sharing! I would be interested in learning more about your data science experience as I tried to learn this online and I was overwhelmed..to me statistics is the most difficult part
but couldnt you push back on the working weekends or after office hours? Sometimes the work life balance issue is localised (ie within a department)
Came here via Jordana's interview. Appreciate the spongebob clips. And LOL I'm dating my computer right now! And yes! Part 2 please!
Oh no! Itâs ok covid times means no dating till covid ends đ and time to work on yourself!
Hey Eunice! Love the passion and thank you for sharing your story, I was pretty much the same way with just cruising along with school and work and this really opened my eyes about how I should reflect on purpose!
Yay! Iâm so glad it helped! This is just my story, so would love to hear yours & how your reflection goes! Howâs your travel hacking blogging passion going?
â@@EuniceLo I think I definitely have landed on travel hacking as my current passion and want to dedicate more time on educating others on the value of points and miles so that more people can have aspirational experiences without the price tag. I'm jealous since I do zero travelling at work, but after hearing your experience, it sounds like it isn't all glamour that I had imagined it as a travel enthusiast. and here I'm thinking "BUT THE POINTS" LOL
@@TheLandMiler haha def no glamour and cuz itâs within Canada not many points anyways I rather forgo the points cuz sometimes you travel and then have to work again right after đ
Itâs great that youâve defined your passion! Whatâs your next step look like?
I started two months ago and already feel your shared experiences lol
Hey Sarrah! Howâs it feeling now? Have you made any changes?
This was really helpfull. Would really like to see second indepth video
well done. thanks for sharing this
Thanks for the comment! đ
what was the general salary range as a manager there?
Interesting. I've been a data analytics manager at the Big 4 and a smaller boutique firm too. And I haven't had a hugely negative opinion or experience. But it has never really felt like a career, just a job. And analytics usually falls under FDD and finance just doesn't resonate with me at all. I'm passionate about marketing. But still haven't found an avenue that can turn that passion into a career that pays enough for my cost of living comfortably. So I need to sustain this for a few more years because I can't imagine industry ever paying as much as consulting. Pay off a bunch of shit, rack up a bunch of savings and retirement, and pursue my own entrepreneurial endeavor like you!
Yeah, like I mentioned in the video some people donât have the same experience it depends on the team and partner you have.
As for marketing analytics thereâs quite a lot of opportunities for that as I did that too. You can find equally salary competitive salary for marketing analytics at large marketing agencies as they have data departments too. A lot of my friends in industry actually earn more than we did in big 4 and have a better work life balance too so that you have time to continue your side hustles.
So if you have a chance I would encourage you to look into marketing agencies and large corps with a marketing team and they will have the marketing analytics job youâre looking for
thanks for sharing, i.am working in one of the big 4 and also considering moving
Me ,24 years old fresh grad still lose way of finding passion whether choosing which career path in business filed(accounting, auditing , marketing or finance) .May I know how to find my passion like you at short time?
Iâm glad youâre working on your true passion now! Godâs purpose for us all isnât to spend our lives as corporate machines
thanks for the info
Regarding your comment at 22:14, the Deloitte location, at which I supported a contract project for sometime, was located next to a chic HoTel. :D
I was hired at deloitte and left after the 1st day. It was the worst feeling for me that time. Why i did it? Due to the whole spirit. Something was too good to be true. Too pretentious. When I talked to the hr for a problem i faced was like "i am listening to you because i have to, then everything i gonna continue as it was supposed to". They wanted to show them they do me a favor for hiring me. Now and after the almost 2 years that passed i feel kind of happy. Too many working hours for the minimun salary in my country. Now i feel well. After 6 months i found another opportunity for my first job, everything went well. Nice choice you quit!! Stay safe
I did left in my first day also... I felt lik this is way too perfect and the HR explaning to me that is a dream to working there .. no one ever explain the essentiel of work ecr
Consulting doesn't seem sustainable for what my dreams in my life are right now. I would love to have a deep conversation with you about what I should do to map out my career and dreams in life. Where would be the best place to have a chat?
I was presently working at Deloitte its just been a month , and I had another offer with Accenture with better package than Deloitte ,I was in a confusion that what should I do ,whether to continue with Deloitte or move to Accenture,anyone please help me which one should I choose .
Thankyou
i think move to accenture
agreed if you still have the accenture offer on the table I would take it! at least it has better pay even if work is similar. not sure bout culture i think that depends on your team. let me know how it goes down!
Thanks for such an insightful video and I learned a lot! I'm mid 20s, just joined big 4 in their data science team in Toronto.
All the best!!
good luck if u think big4 has data science LOL. its all a label but nothing in the project pipeline.
@@dendi1076 so I've joined for almost 2 months now and can speak on that. There are DS/ML projects lol, but also analytics projects too. The majority of data work does not require ML though
Would love to hear that Deloitte exposé!
Will think about it! đ
DO NOT believe a lot of these youtubers they make it seem so easy. And also, maybe you should just quit trading isnât for everyone.
@@the_betty Youâre right! I do not lose money every single trade, but my main issue is trying to let my runners run up. . Very rarely do I catch big moves. Instead, they go a few pips in my direction, then go against me if when I try holding them. Also my entries would definitely need a lot of Improvement. A mentor would be a great idea but getting one isnât as easy as it seems. If I may ask, do you know any genuine one?
Coming from a product based super chill and fun company...i quit Big4 in just 3 months. I realised one should either choose Bug4 or Life! And i strongly believe this is a very subjective experience and could vary from person to person. Just wanted to share how I felt.
Does consulting at big four involve travelling daily or is it a desk job ?
it could be both a desk job and travelling depends which team and department you are in and what your role is but during covid there is no travelling
Is it because of this industry, Consultant / Advisory? Do companies outside have the same culture as in Big 4?
Any advice?
I would say consulting in general is usually like this because the overall culture & compensation structure is based on utilization rates (how many hours you can bill working on a project) and usually the staff doing the job have little guidance & say in how much time you have to do work so they may tell a client it takes 4 weeks for 40hrs/week just to meet budgets and it actually takes much longer than that. Usually a 40 hr week means a 60-80 hr if not scoped properly or there is scope creep to make the client super happy. Because of this nature itâs hard to avoid unless budgeted hours and actual effort matches, you have proper guidance/ppl, upper management prioritizes team culture & is a good leader.
As for other companies, I would say depends which kind. Any youâre thinking in particular?
@@EuniceLo I was an auditor in Grant Thornton. Similar experienced, work-life balance sucks everyday sleep less than 4 hours. Stayed for a year. Now, as a full set accountant for almost 2 years.
However, I have a readied and workable business plan. So that I am considering getting into consulting line to expose various types of industry meanwhile looking for an IT person as co-founder also for the networking.
Any advice? :)
@@JaxHO sorry not too I understand this business plan venture you have but if that's what you want to focus your future into I would just focus as much on that and find a way to lessen your current workload or move to a job that will let you have the time & energy to focus on your new business venture
What you are describing was a good position many would have liked to get. Most workplaces have toxicity none are perfect none . If you became a lawyer or doctor, etc, the hours and workplace are ALOT more stressful. Earning 6 figures and above is a privilege that most do not get.
What about tech consulting ?i just joined as a full stack java developer....my first week at ey...???any help is appreciated please?
Sorry Iâm not a developer so I donât want to misled you by saying I know how it will bode for you. From what I heard you can get both spectrums. For specific anonymous advice, I usually like checking the Fishbowl app because people are quite candid about the good and bad since itâs anonymous. All the best!
One thing I can say is it always comes down to the team, managers, partners you follow as to how the experience will be for you. They will dictate how your work, bonus/raises, culture will be like
Thanks for the valuable info, appreciate it!!
Dark side of big 4.. i can relate to it
The realist vid I have seen in a long time
Thanks ron!
I quit my job too! Go girl!
Congrats!!! Whatâs next?
@@EuniceLo start a business, volunteering and world domination. In that order! Life is too short, I hope you happiness and best of luck wit the podcast!
@@thefungiblemillennial-fina2207 LOL world domination! Please remember this poor soul when you do đ€Ł
13:50 I just started at Deloitte, but Iâve heard they basically force you to take PTO.
Thanks for the video. Question ...Is it possible to be a mother with a young kid and work for a big 4 ? Or career will be hardly compromised?
Itâs definitely possible there are moms in consulting at all levels but you will have to spend a lot of time at work too so usually your partner will have take more of the parenting duties and youâll have to find ways to balance both. Lots of people sign off to pickup their kids and then sign back on later at night to finish the rest. I think it also depends on your level as well because if you are a partner itâs usually more about sales and you get to choose when meetings take place.
I would suggest if youâre considering it to coffee chat with a handful who are in the same situation as you in consulting in your city and see what they say about the balance
@@EuniceLo thanks for replying! I will probably be at a Senior Consultant level,which I guess is lot of work and late hours..
@@flaviazilet8816 most likely unfortunately maybe see if you can negotiate for manager and hours may be more in your court. Still going to be a balance and requires you to set hard boundaries
Iâm 54. Iâve had a Ph.D. for 20 years. I think I know exactly what I want to do finally!
I'm quitting too...joined as a fresher but it's only been 6 months and they give me work more than my capacity...it's mentally exhausting and I don't know if it's a good decision to leave the firm so early but I don't have the heart to work like this
Hey Geetha! Any new thoughts? Do you think you could last a year?
@@EuniceLo yep..but whats the point if I'm unhappy...
@@geetha1234ify I think u may stretch till 1 year & in the mean time u can search other options.
@@rudrachavan6169 yes đ
Omg . Yes im in your position. đ„ș
hope you find peace and solace đ„ș
my take based on working in consulting for 7 years.
pros; you get great exposure to many different companies / sectors. you learn and develop lots of skills including analysis and dealing with clients.
cons; its a bit of a pyramid scheme, where you are told that if you work to death, sacrifice personal life, in some instances (tell the small lies to win bids), and put up with some of the toxic environment with backstabbing colleagues, favouritism (its run by partners, and the partners are like little kings and queens, and if they like you you rise if not, no chance). you can feel like a sellable resource, when the resourcing teams try and sell you for jobs (they act almost like pimps i felt just selling me to jobs sometimes without even asking me).
for some its a great life, and it suits their personality and temperament. but i got tired of being sold to different clients as the 'expert' on something i knew little about, just because i was on the bench. i also got tired of being under pressure to deliver to unexpected deadlines that the partner had promised, working with lots of juniors who were from disparate backgrounds, emotional states, training and personal goals, to deliver something that was of high quality. sometimes there was no respect from the juniors to those below partners, as they did not see you as important in their career growth. so if you were in the middle between grad and partner, you sometimes got no respect from those above, nor from those below. but again its is very team dependant. if you are in a good team it can really be great. but most people did not want to kill themselves to be partner, and were looking to leave and join a firm in industry as a 'head of' type role.
From the perspective of an undergrad student living in Toronto and trying to get a job in the big 4, this was an eye opening point! But I still wanna go through this because of that dream that has been built up since I found about consulting.
Totally understandable. If you have a dream gotta try it and find out yourself sometimes... it was my dream job too before I joined
Though if I were to redo it I would find a way to test it out first before I spent so much time and effort so interning would be a good test
It was my dream too while i was undergrad student living in Brazil.
After 6 months i feel i had enough and that fact --- be there as my dream --- make me feel more sad about it.
Oh, mate, I have been in EY for a year..they are sly, very sly. They knew I have a technical background, so gave me tons of "copy paste" jobs. When I raised technical issues with managers, they shunned me and started sending feedback to the Partner lol I applied for mediation last week...
I'm graduating and got hired into the government part of Deliotte as a Financial risk analyst. I was told that this sector wasn't as bad as public consulting. Are they lieing to me? I read so many horror stories about deloitte and big 4 in general!
I think there is a possibility of good teams but it really depends on who the partner you follow is and how their leadership style, time management, culture is like. If you just graduated this is still a very good learning opportunity & brand to have on your resume. If you can, stick it out for at least a year and then go somewhere better but having the Deloitte name will definitely help with your future job searches since you're a fresh grad
@@EuniceLo thank you!
Started at Deloitte two months ago.Lets see where this takes me.
đ€đ» Good luck!
had the same experience at another big 4 in the data analytics practice in toronto with stand-ups on sundays lol
Lol what did you do about them?
@@EuniceLo my teammate brought it up with HR and our partner, but nothing came of it..
we both eventually quit and moved to tech
@@beyondtheclouds95 sad that they did nothing about the situation đ Hope tech is much better!
I'm with Deloitte on a project with FDA. It's not the firm, it's the team you're in.
I also heard an important factor on work longevity is to have a best friend at work.
I just left PwC to join Deloitte! And i am really having trouble to adapt.. i guess i will just to leave.. itâs a Saturday and rn I am worrying that about a stupid bank confirmation that i havenât received like whats wrong with međ
Bruhhhhhhh them fucking bank confirmations that you never seem to receive
how did it end up going?
the podcast is great
Love it
Hope senior management deserve respect in companies like these so that new juniors learn something from them... :-)...otherwise putting leg into unknown can become lifelong regret for new joiner that too with wrong designation.....
It takes a lot of courage to leave a secure job like that. More power to you đ
Thanks! I hope my story helped inspire you in some way đ
No job is secure! Companies can fire people at will with no reason.
@@fridaber6069 valid point! Many layoffs happened during bad economic times like Covid
big4 jobs are nv secure, it's actually the least security cos it pays low and u get stuck in hell hole
*it takes morals to turn down greed and leave a high paying job.
Youâre so brave
Past few years got placed into similar Asian Christian background. I have a bit of an opposite way into it, but also am passionate about career in data science / promoting community in data science. Also, I feel you in regards to burnout even though I am still 24.
Would you prefer a medium sized company or startup on the verge of growth vs. Big tech company? I am curious. :)
Lol how did you burnout?
I tried all those types of companies before joining so I know at this point in my life I rather build something of my own that challenges me yet is fun too. At this age Iâm more about health & happiness & freedom so though FAANG or startups would be best for a data science career itâs just not what I wanna do for another 1, 5 or 10 years. (Having your own clients is so much more fulfilling & enjoyable)
But thereâs no âperfectâ choice itâs just whatever you value
@@EuniceLo I think it is just not giving myself enough time to rest and relax. Also, thanks (I am trying to learn from a lot of experienced professionals to minimize errors early on). I watch a decent amount of tech CZcamsrs who share how the whole "hustle culture" is not for them. And, I agree, the end goal should always be to prioritize happiness and health because in the end, the đ° ends up being used for this as our main goal. :)
@@EuniceLo Also, I found you on LinkedIn. I currently am doing a Data Engineering bootcamp given I have a B.S. in area of Data Science but didn't want to go for Master's program (be in more student loan debt đ„) and the field can be pretty competitive. I also saw you went the same route so that is pretty cool!
@@jameshizon4861 haha must be our Asian upbringing to want to be perfect and get those đŻ and A+ but donât worry your 20s is meant to make mistakes and learn from them so donât forget to be proud of what youâve done too
@@jameshizon4861 yeah masters didnât make sense to me cuz I had undergrad stats classes with masters students so we learned the same thing plus DS is more about applying the theory & experience so I was pretty lucky to have employers who believed in that more than a masters. The bootcamp definitely helped to understand how to apply stats theory into a DS job
Great video and content but the background music is too loud
Thanks for the observation! Will keep it in mind for my future videos âșïž stay tuned!
3:26, what's a Koreaboo?
Itâs 1:00 am and I am on same boat.
X D - of B 4 i get you :)
Consulting meme pages solidified my decision to never go into consulting đ
Thereâs the funniest, because theyâre so true đ„Č
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