Honestly the fact that a f14 can even have a chance vs 5th gen fighters makes the enemy pilots worst than dummies. Lets remember that the kill ratio from 4th to 5th gen fighters can go up to 20:1. And that is taking into consideration f17 and f18. Not being instantly blown by 5th gen is already enough to render that fight imposible.
@@c.518 5th gen is the latest a2a fighters in the world ie the f22 raptor the Su57 china's J-20 I think the call it all highly maneuverable and highly advanced
@@c.518 That it's slightly better than what they already had, said upgrade cost so much, it's almost uncalculable and every american will jizz over it because they are sheep.
The moment I saw this scene, I found my calling and my destiny. I will do whatever it takes to soar up into the wild blue yonder, earning my place among the best aviators in the elite PC flight sim community.
@@Willy2537 Roger that, sir. AC7 has been my go to game whenever I feel like gaming, I've reached mission 19 on my first Ace playthrough. I'll be sure to check out Project Wingman and Ace Combat 4, 5 and Zero on emulator. Coming from the tactical shooter community, there's no other game that feels like home such as AC7. It revitalized my love for gaming after so long. The thrill of understanding the mechanics such as PSM, flying gracefully and lethally to pursue the highest score to unlock more planes and parts, replaying the game for higher challenge and rewards. It has been an amazing experience to fly, sir... if only the rest of the gamers would understand what it feels like to be an Ace. I honestly want more people to celebrate these games, underrated... truly underrated.
For those who don't know, A2A missiles don't explode upon impact, they explode alittle distance away behind and the shrapnel from the warhead will do the rest, but what do I know, im just a grunt.
@@rhysgoodman7628 well, technically Maverick could’ve been killed 3 times by the Su-57) The first two times were when the F-14 took some rounds from the Felon. Those are 30 mm HE rounds. Even one round can be enough to lit a plane on fire. And the other time was when they were out of flares and they were about to get shot with a missile by a Su-57. That moment the pilot could’ve just used his helmet aiming system and didn’t have to aim the missile by tilting his plane
Well, to be more specific, missiles detonate upon the point of closest approach, so that the warhead does the most damage. Depending on how lucky it is, that distance could be zero or it could be within the proxy fuse range. So for example a missile that's on track to impact the aircraft isn't going to detonate just because it reaches the proxy fuse range. It's going to wait until the distance to the plane starts increasing again, or it hits the plane, whichever comes first.
Yes this maneuver is 100% possible by that plane, however the maneuver he did here would never be used to dodge missiles like that or even in a dogfight like that as it's more of an Airshow gimmick
It looks like the plane pulled up out of the way and turned off its engines, so the heat seeking missile wouldn’t track it anymore, I’d say it was possible to dodge an old heat seeking missile
@@alexzoro7433 dude the moment the intro credits came on….I was hooked. Yeah I do slightly prefer the unapologetic OG Top Gun as it was awesome style..but this film was dope. Easily one of the best action movies and sequels!
No wonder actual TOP GUN instructors that reviewed the movie about this scene said that some pilots can get confused by the Post Stall Maneuver during dogfight training
Su-57 is still a prototype, it does have good thrust vectoring (on par with the f22) but it has bad stealth and overall low level technology meaning that it isn't a real 5th gen fighter
@@mattia8327 but it is a 5th gen fighter. Just bc it isn’t as stealthy as the f-22 doesn’t mean it’s automatically a weaker jet. If these two aircraft were to merge in a dogfight the su-57 is a serious contender.
My father being ammunition specialist in the Air Force, dealt with missiles and bombs for the F-16. He told me The sidewinder missile would have still tried to track. My father was telling me when they were shooting missiles at drones, the plane made a maneuver and the missile bent itself trying to track the plane. They recover the missile days later in the range and it was bent, he never seen that before.
@@kaiserkapadia4508 Probably haven’t watched the movie. The advantage of fifth-gen fighters is that they’re able to engage in BVR. In dogfight, they generally don’t do well. The Su-57s in the movie thought Maverick’s F-14 was friendly, so they approached and ruined their greatest advantage.
Some people pointed out that the missile supposed to explode if it got close to the target like proximity fuse (no need to hit directly to target), however the su57 (for now) is the only fighter jet equipped with laser emitting turret called DIRCM which scrambles the trajectory of the missiles, thus leading the missile to somewhere (losing its track on the target)
@@walterdayrit675 usually the laser only equipped on large military airplanes such as AWACS plane, but yeah other than that, only the su57 have it as a fighter jet 👍
@@chelo4197 you can do what you cant in Russian jets, F35 can't do a quick cobra without getting its wings ripped off. It sad to see weapons with higher tech not able to do what cheaper weapons can. There are only a couple of American jets that can do what Russians can. We can Talk about G force all we want, but does that say Russian jets have better G resistance? Or does that mean western pilots aren't good as Russian Pilots when handling G force?
@@MrTungy lmao western pilots can certainly handle Gs. But you don't realize that the fancy maneuvering doesn't mean diddly squat in a dogfight. An American jet like the f35 wouldn't need to cobra, nor would any other fighter jet because it would get them killed. Plus, all the fighter jets use g-limiters, not even a Russian jet like the su-57 or su 35 would do a cobra without having it's g-limiter turned off. Average tankie not knowing a thing about aircraft and still insisting they have an opinion on a matter of fact.
@@guts-141 the Su 57 is 2 tons heavier than the Su-27, and have similar thrust to weight ratio, which by the way, enables the aircraft for doing those maneuvers
In case if you wondered: That maneuver is called “Cobra spin” Similar to the Cobra maneuver itself but adds a 360 degrees spin that will keep the engines on the outside of their entire aircraft making it harder for the missiles to land a shot (if the missiles are heat seeking cause they search the planes engine)
Some missiles (ones carried on the f14 as well) can actually be programmed to have a lead bias to have them target near the center fuselage rather than the rear
I missed going to the movies but DAMN did I miss getting goosebumps also, I never had my jaw drop in so long when I saw this maneuver I love how despite the decade gap between jets it still shows how much more advanced and to show how great maverick is in whatever jet he flies
Everyone in my theater had audible reactions to this moment. I think the words "What was THAT" came out of my mouth involuntarily. Even knowing nothing about planes going in, they did an excellent job building up to this moment, letting you know exactly what a plane can and can't do, only for this guy to do something seemingly impossible like this.
If I had to guess, due to how the chase was happening, the Su would’ve just made itself easy pickings for the Vulcan cannon. Perhaps if it were closer the pilot would’ve done some funny stuff with the Felon, though
They were flying in a canyon later on, though. Using supermanuevers in tight areas like that would be suicide, and like the other person said Maverick’s Tomcat was right on his tail so it means he would’ve left himself wide open to Mav’s cannon fire.
@@walterdayrit675 exactly. Was going to point this out before I saw your comment. So many people who are not trained for air combat seem to recklessly underestimate the taxing, cumulative effects of high G exposure. The dangers of experiencing G-loc alone would make a person think twice before yanking hard on the yoke with gay abandon.
Main plot, or severe exhaustion from pulling high Gs? Why don't you talk to some real fighter pilots and ask them how they feel after just training exercises, and doing BFM?
Top Gun Maverick is really good at taking a bunch of real things and putting them together in a fun, but inplausible manner. If that's all we have to gripe about as aviation fans, that's the film industry doing it right.
POV: You’re newly a pilot for your country and you’re so happy to get your first air to air kill and you see an F-22 turn up it’s own ass dodging your fox-3
that is a falling leaf maneuver :) it’s basically an easy recoverable spin, it is performed by pulling up and slightly pulling the yaw and start spinning, the aircraft must maintain altitude which is quite hard, this can only be performed by (mostly russian aircraft), To recover it you only need to pull the yaw against the direction you are spinning and done. how does it maneuver like that?: it’s made by thrust vectoring, the su57 as extreme advanced and good thrust vectoring (don’t really want to explain what TVC is)
Did you not watch the movie? Right before this scene the cruise performed a split throttle pirouette to get behind the enemy which is realistically possible
Ah yes. The Loaded Barrel Manuver. Some Planes are actually capable of pulling this off but its quite difficult and recovery is not guaranteed. However due to the Flat design of the Su-57, not only did it perform it easy, but it also allowed some hangtime as well. Quite a display of power.
@@jimmoynahan9910 this manuver has been demonstrated in real life, and allthough the su 57 is techneologically inferior to nearly any 5th gen U.S fighter, the one inarguable truth is that i can fuckin MOVE
This sure IS INSANE!--once the Sukhoi's nose came up, the 'winder should've closed the distance almost instantaneously, then it's proximity fuse would have detonated the warhead while passing that close and if that didn't shred the Sukhoi, even a split second squirt from the Vulcan surely would!
@@wtf-hc3tp yeah someone else commented that at top gun school occasionally someone will do an insane maneuver and the other pilot doesn’t react cause they are so shocked
This maneuver is actually possible, as the SU-57 Felon has Thrust-Vectoring engines. My problem is, the speed doesn’t make any sense to me, as Mav and Rooster were trying to go as fast as possible to get out of enemy territory. And, it would still take the Felon a good minute or two to catch up to the Tomcat. The 57 is no F-22, no matter what the Russians say. They, somehow, reversed an F-117’s stealth from an incident over Kosovo, back in ‘97. Doubt they somehow figured out the Raptor’s Supercruise mode (the ability to go Supersonic without Afterburners).
Uhhh didn’t Mav do his “hit the brakes” move to get behind the Su57 right before this scene? So what part of the speed situation are you not understanding?
@@davidzzz94 yep but the plane in that dive gain a lot of speed, but its a movie, dont need to make sense everytime, even this maneuver, you use the thrust vectoring to dogfight, not dodging misiles, its suicide
@@munozjuanpablo1266 Here comes another mansplainer, where is this dive you’re talking about? They are not in a dive! IR seeking missiles like sidewinders now are extremely resistant against flares after they launch, only pre-flaring has a reasonably good chance at defeating these missiles. So there’s not really anything wrong with maneuvering against a fox2. Yes movies are not always accurate, but you’re trying to pick this movie apart with knowledge you don’t have and at things that are not even wrong.
@@davidzzz94 You’re right. He did hit the speed brakes to get behind the 57, and the 57 pilot could have countered by performing a kullpit maneuver (depending on what the true speeds actually are), but all I’m suggesting is that after the 57 performs (I don’t know the actual maneuver name), he shouldn’t have been able to get back onto Mav’s 6 so easily.
@@davidzzz94 Also, ‘mansplainer’? You’re suggesting that military aircraft maneuvers only belong to men? And we can only explain them? You’re dead wrong. I’ve been studying military aircraft since I’ve been 16, and I’ve studied encyclopedias and magazines. I’m going by pure ‘knowledge’, and just giving an opinion, as I’m not a pilot, nor will I ever be. I would never argue with a SU Pilot, nor an American Pilot. They know what would actually happen. So, before you bring ‘feminism’ into this argument, maybe learn a bit more before thinking I’m trying to put your views, down.
This scene was actually really accurate. For one the su-57 is more than capable of doing that maneuver. Secondly that maneuver can be done at high speeds which they were in. Whether it would be used realistically in the fight is open to debate, really depends on the confidence of the pilot in his aircraft. Thirdly, the missile wouldn’t have exploded because the launching aircraft was too close. All aim-9’s and the newer aim-9x’s won’t explode unless the hostile aircraft is further than a mile. You don’t want the FOD from the missile being sucked into the intake, and at that close of range the shockwave from the blast could stall the engines of the f-14 which they’re incredibly notorious for stalling.
@@guts-141 I'm not sure if you meant DODGE a missle or not? If you were asking if it's possible to dodge a missle, my answer would be a big hell no. An air to air missle once fired is locked on its target and much MUCH faster than the target it is after... If you've been locked on and the missle fired, your only choice is to eject. Not even flares are going to do you much good.
The cobra is an awesome demo move, but to dodge a missile, you need to move perpendicular to it while at a high rate of speed. If you just dramatically decreased your speed while the plane is still traveling through the air in the same direction the missile is just going to hit you sooner than it would have..
Aka, 'a notch'. It actually all depends on multiple factors. There's no single method of shaking off a missile, it always changes depending on angle, proximity, type of tracking, etc. But, one thing you never do is climb. Missiles love thinner air, and all you're doing in the end is trying to make something bigger and heavier fight hard to gain altitude, against something lightweight and faster. Missiles can climb faster than a jet fighter can.
@@Aquascape_Dreaming “Notching” refers to flying perpendicular to a pulse-doppler radar source in order to bring your apparent velocity below the velocity gate of the radar source and appear “invisible”. You can’t notch an IR guided missile such as the one in this video because it doesn’t use pulse-doppler guidance. The reason to fly perpendicular to an IR missile is to try and bleed the missile of its energy by forcing it to turn sharply to intercept you, while at the same time providing a wider field of view from the missiles IR sensor to the flares that you should be releasing as you turn.
most overrated maneuver in history, every experience western pilot is taught when a thrust vectoring jet pull one of this fancy maneuvers you immediately go vertical cause the thrust vectoring jet doesnt have energy to go vertical with you, its got to level out or dive to regain full energy, by the time it regain energy to engage again your non-vectoring jet already on him with a chance for a gun kill or a within visual range missile kill, its the same reason the american never bother to install thrust vectoring on there upgraded jets and why europe is sticking with non-vectoring eurofighter..well its very good in airshows and wow the crowd.
No modern jet -- 5th or 6th gen, is going to dodge a missile in that manner; especially, wvr. I hated this scene because it basically treats an aerial dogfight like a bullfight, only the bull and matador have been replaced with jets. It creating an overhyped monster that does not exist. Thrust vectoring does not create as much lift as a wing, nor can it out maneuver a missile with 3d vectoring itself.
@@ZXJL Source: Reality. Infrared missiles track heat, in reality, the SU57 would've dropped flares and kept going. The PSM maneuvers only serve to bleed massive amounts of energy in a fight.
@@salesincu nah, i seen some of my country airforce su 30 did , its not about politics of what im saying and im neutral,. Just admiring what those plane capable to,
I like how they made the enemies skillful rather than a literal dummy target
Honestly the fact that a f14 can even have a chance vs 5th gen fighters makes the enemy pilots worst than dummies.
Lets remember that the kill ratio from 4th to 5th gen fighters can go up to 20:1. And that is taking into consideration f17 and f18. Not being instantly blown by 5th gen is already enough to render that fight imposible.
@@armandodemiguel7989 what does 5th gen even mean?
@@c.518 5th gen is the latest a2a fighters in the world ie the f22 raptor the Su57 china's J-20 I think the call it all highly maneuverable and highly advanced
@@ridgelowe ah thx
@@c.518 That it's slightly better than what they already had, said upgrade cost so much, it's almost uncalculable and every american will jizz over it because they are sheep.
The moment I saw this scene, I found my calling and my destiny. I will do whatever it takes to soar up into the wild blue yonder, earning my place among the best aviators in the elite PC flight sim community.
Lit
Go by the grace of god sir!
got us in the first half ngl
Hahahahaahahahaha
I'm not a gamer but somehow happened across this, you fuckin go guy
This PSM maneuver is what got me into Ace Combat recently.
bro, us
Nice
Welcome to the club, flyboy. :) The Ace Combat and Project Wingman communities are glad to have you.
@@Willy2537
Roger that, sir.
AC7 has been my go to game whenever I feel like gaming, I've reached mission 19 on my first Ace playthrough. I'll be sure to check out Project Wingman and Ace Combat 4, 5 and Zero on emulator.
Coming from the tactical shooter community, there's no other game that feels like home such as AC7. It revitalized my love for gaming after so long. The thrill of understanding the mechanics such as PSM, flying gracefully and lethally to pursue the highest score to unlock more planes and parts, replaying the game for higher challenge and rewards. It has been an amazing experience to fly, sir... if only the rest of the gamers would understand what it feels like to be an Ace. I honestly want more people to celebrate these games, underrated... truly underrated.
Stick with Trigger and you’ll make it!
For those who don't know, A2A missiles don't explode upon impact, they explode alittle distance away behind and the shrapnel from the warhead will do the rest, but what do I know, im just a grunt.
Yup, and the proximity fuze detonates far enough away for the shot in this scene to be a kill. :)
I love this movie but yeah there's some leaps in plane capabilities and logic
Lmfao that last part had be dead
@@rhysgoodman7628 well, technically Maverick could’ve been killed 3 times by the Su-57)
The first two times were when the F-14 took some rounds from the Felon. Those are 30 mm HE rounds. Even one round can be enough to lit a plane on fire. And the other time was when they were out of flares and they were about to get shot with a missile by a Su-57. That moment the pilot could’ve just used his helmet aiming system and didn’t have to aim the missile by tilting his plane
Well, to be more specific, missiles detonate upon the point of closest approach, so that the warhead does the most damage. Depending on how lucky it is, that distance could be zero or it could be within the proxy fuse range. So for example a missile that's on track to impact the aircraft isn't going to detonate just because it reaches the proxy fuse range. It's going to wait until the distance to the plane starts increasing again, or it hits the plane, whichever comes first.
Yes this maneuver is 100% possible by that plane, however the maneuver he did here would never be used to dodge missiles like that or even in a dogfight like that as it's more of an Airshow gimmick
True
rule of cool tho
Same w/ the cobra maneuver
It looks like the plane pulled up out of the way and turned off its engines, so the heat seeking missile wouldn’t track it anymore, I’d say it was possible to dodge an old heat seeking missile
@@darthdavid2275 there would still be heat coming from the engines
I’ve seen this film 6 times in cinema now and each time I’m on edge and immersed by how brilliant it is. Easily the best film of the year.
Same man I was on the edge of my seat towards the end
@@alexzoro7433 dude the moment the intro credits came on….I was hooked.
Yeah I do slightly prefer the unapologetic OG Top Gun as it was awesome style..but this film was dope.
Easily one of the best action movies and sequels!
I agree with you and I feel the same way.
Real planes... for the most part are better than CGI
It was a bit cheesy though
And that's the most realistic reaction you can get even my father that's retired from airforce reacted the same way "wtf is that"
No wonder actual TOP GUN instructors that reviewed the movie about this scene said that some pilots can get confused by the Post Stall Maneuver during dogfight training
The Su57 has insane thrust vectoring, and can really pull that off.
Su-57 is still a prototype, it does have good thrust vectoring (on par with the f22) but it has bad stealth and overall low level technology meaning that it isn't a real 5th gen fighter
@@mattia8327 I do think it's still 5th gen . It's stealth might be better than 4.5 though but will suck at US 5th gens.
@@mattia8327 SU-57 - enters the Russian troops. The prototype was the T-50 PAK-FA.
@@mattia8327 but it is a 5th gen fighter. Just bc it isn’t as stealthy as the f-22 doesn’t mean it’s automatically a weaker jet. If these two aircraft were to merge in a dogfight the su-57 is a serious contender.
I was like reading these comments and thread … you all know a lot more than I do and it’s cool read about what you all know
When you tried to kill your enemy but he dodges your attack in such manner that you cant help but admire his skill😂.
Happens in real life
That’s one thing I love about this movie. Even the enemy is showing off incredible aerobatic maneuvers.
When your enemy pulls off an Airshow maneouever that makes his plane a dartboard target for the missile ! LoL
But it didn't.@@edwardfletcher7790
My father being ammunition specialist in the Air Force, dealt with missiles and bombs for the F-16. He told me The sidewinder missile would have still tried to track. My father was telling me when they were shooting missiles at drones, the plane made a maneuver and the missile bent itself trying to track the plane. They recover the missile days later in the range and it was bent, he never seen that before.
An f-14 surviving against 2 su-57's that's where realism left the chat so forget these missles 😂
I’m ammo too! IYAAYAS. Cannon AFB. Where’s your dad at?
it was realistic until it bent itself
@@kaiserkapadia4508 Probably haven’t watched the movie. The advantage of fifth-gen fighters is that they’re able to engage in BVR. In dogfight, they generally don’t do well. The Su-57s in the movie thought Maverick’s F-14 was friendly, so they approached and ruined their greatest advantage.
@@aconite72 just watched it yesterday but ok
I need to see this in theatres again
I would legit see this movie again that's how good it is
I went to see it twice in one week. On second time it was even better.
@@jeepeeam31 im definitely going to watch it again
They stopped showing in my theatre
@@usb3.095 damn in Australia they are still showing it
Some people pointed out that the missile supposed to explode if it got close to the target like proximity fuse (no need to hit directly to target), however the su57 (for now) is the only fighter jet equipped with laser emitting turret called DIRCM which scrambles the trajectory of the missiles, thus leading the missile to somewhere (losing its track on the target)
Hmm... interesting. First time I've heard of a laser confusing a missile.
@@walterdayrit675 usually the laser only equipped on large military airplanes such as AWACS plane, but yeah other than that, only the su57 have it as a fighter jet 👍
@@snwilliam6886 Still, its russian plane, ether dosnt work or its made up just to make it sell better.
@@pokejust7045 :")
@@pokejust7045 In Russian we just hit with big hammer from flag to make it work. Is Russian...is potato.
I call this the "looking cool dodging a missile while also puking all over the entire cockpit and almost blacking out" maneuver! 😂😂😂
You can call it that in American jets but you'll be a lot better in Russian jets
@@MrTungy you definitely won't be alot better in Russian jets
@@chelo4197 hahaha … yeah I agree
@@chelo4197 you can do what you cant in Russian jets, F35 can't do a quick cobra without getting its wings ripped off. It sad to see weapons with higher tech not able to do what cheaper weapons can. There are only a couple of American jets that can do what Russians can. We can Talk about G force all we want, but does that say Russian jets have better G resistance? Or does that mean western pilots aren't good as Russian Pilots when handling G force?
@@MrTungy lmao western pilots can certainly handle Gs. But you don't realize that the fancy maneuvering doesn't mean diddly squat in a dogfight. An American jet like the f35 wouldn't need to cobra, nor would any other fighter jet because it would get them killed. Plus, all the fighter jets use g-limiters, not even a Russian jet like the su-57 or su 35 would do a cobra without having it's g-limiter turned off. Average tankie not knowing a thing about aircraft and still insisting they have an opinion on a matter of fact.
well rooster that was a certified ace combat moment
The Kvochur Bell maneuver is so bad ass
fun fact: almost all Su-27 variants can do this maneuver, obviusly newer variants can do it more easily
SU-27 is heavier unlike the newer variants
I think Su-57
@@guts-141 the Su 57 is 2 tons heavier than the Su-27, and have similar thrust to weight ratio, which by the way, enables the aircraft for doing those maneuvers
@@zaba6841 czcams.com/video/VMR_22jZpQE/video.html&ab_channel=TheBuzz just look how SU-35 make this maneur in real life
when I saw this the entire theater said" WHAT THE FUCK!?", including myself! 😂🤣
Don’t these missiles have proximity fuses? That was 100% a kill shot from Maverick.
No, aim 9’s are direct
@@EthanZeGamer That is incorrect, the missile appears to be an AIM-9L/M which has a laser proximity fuse of 30ft.
The missiles actually do but little did Maverick know that the enemy jet was specially equipped with plot armour
My first IMAX movie
The missile knows where it is
In case if you wondered:
That maneuver is called “Cobra spin”
Similar to the Cobra maneuver itself but adds a 360 degrees spin that will keep the engines on the outside of their entire aircraft making it harder for the missiles to land a shot (if the missiles are heat seeking cause they search the planes engine)
Some missiles (ones carried on the f14 as well) can actually be programmed to have a lead bias to have them target near the center fuselage rather than the rear
Ain't that the Kvochur Bell maneuver?
Wel the missiles have Prox so it would have been ovwr
@@tytoalbasoren9457 It's another name for the same maneuver if i'm not wrong.
@@tytoalbasoren9457 You are right
All DCS gamers know what that is... Top Gun top pilots: "WTF was that.."
Thrust Vectoring bullshit
I have to agree with the caption. It was pretty insane how it dodged it!
The dude in the enemy aircraft has to be the son of one the soviet pilots in the first top gun seeking for revenge
Ummm wasn't it Iran in the first movie, they were in the Persian Gulf.
@@edwardfletcher7790nah they were in the Persian Gulf. And the Enemy jets looked Soviet as hell.
It's like watching a final sport match in Olympics where everyone is performing it all out. And somehow this feels so real
"What the fuck was that!?" Best reaction
The first time I saw this I said "Dude just drifted an airplane.".
I pulled this move all the time in Star Wars squadrons! I felt really personal when I saw this guy do that! It was awesome!
Suddenly everyone in the comment section is a aircraft weapons specialist
Top 10 unbeatable villains in film history 💀
Honestly in the range that close, using the cannon is an option
Unless you want your escape plane to get damaged by debris and crash
I'd suggest to keep running or in this case flying
It's not often you hear a collective gasp among hundreds of people in the IMAX theater - pretty amazing
Hands down, best use of the F-word in a PG13 film ever.
If somebody pulls that maneuver in a battle scenario, it’s gonna be another maverick on that cockpit.
I missed going to the movies but DAMN did I miss getting goosebumps also, I never had my jaw drop in so long when I saw this maneuver I love how despite the decade gap between jets it still shows how much more advanced and to show how great maverick is in whatever jet he flies
The coolest scene ever. Easily the best scene of the film.
He wants to understand the enemy
Post-stall maneuvering is a helluva thing.
That Russian pilot is the true protagonist.
Yeah 😂
Everyone in my theater had audible reactions to this moment. I think the words "What was THAT" came out of my mouth involuntarily. Even knowing nothing about planes going in, they did an excellent job building up to this moment, letting you know exactly what a plane can and can't do, only for this guy to do something seemingly impossible like this.
Best use of the f-bomb for the movie.
Looks like the enemy had their own Maverick that did insane shit like airshow tricks to dodge a missile, good thing he survived cuz damn he was badass
Best accurate reaction
Fact: Thats the only time the Su 57 pilot
Used supermaneurability and didnt use later because ypu know
*Main plot Armor*
If I had to guess, due to how the chase was happening, the Su would’ve just made itself easy pickings for the Vulcan cannon. Perhaps if it were closer the pilot would’ve done some funny stuff with the Felon, though
They were flying in a canyon later on, though. Using supermanuevers in tight areas like that would be suicide, and like the other person said Maverick’s Tomcat was right on his tail so it means he would’ve left himself wide open to Mav’s cannon fire.
@@walterdayrit675 exactly. Was going to point this out before I saw your comment. So many people who are not trained for air combat seem to recklessly underestimate the taxing, cumulative effects of high G exposure. The dangers of experiencing G-loc alone would make a person think twice before yanking hard on the yoke with gay abandon.
Main plot, or severe exhaustion from pulling high Gs?
Why don't you talk to some real fighter pilots and ask them how they feel after just training exercises, and doing BFM?
@@Aquascape_Dreaming bro 5th gen fighters are higly resistant and can handle even 11+ Gs
I love the detail of nose of the su57 cutting through the smoke trail left by the missile
Still one of the best movie dogfights ever
0:09 the su-57 are known for their “super maneuvers”
An average day of an Ace Combat player
Those nasty Varcolac Squadrons doing a crazier stunt on me 😑
Top Gun Maverick is really good at taking a bunch of real things and putting them together in a fun, but inplausible manner. If that's all we have to gripe about as aviation fans, that's the film industry doing it right.
The dog fight between the 4th and the 3rd generation is really funny
This is a masterpiece of a movie.
if y'all are Interested in that PSM, it's called the kvochurs bells
He pulled the handbrake like a Fast and Furious movie
Roosters reaction is priceless 😂
Ace Combat Community :
POV: You’re newly a pilot for your country and you’re so happy to get your first air to air kill and you see an F-22 turn up it’s own ass dodging your fox-3
He was like “what the f*ck was that”
That was Ace Combat, that's what that was
Holy shit, what the fuck was that ?
SUPERMANEUVERABILITY
The pilot did PUGACHEV maneuver partially
Kvochur’s bell maneuver, for the final time. People keep calling it the “falling leaf” or the “cobra”
that is a falling leaf maneuver :) it’s basically an easy recoverable spin, it is performed by pulling up and slightly pulling the yaw and start spinning, the aircraft must maintain altitude which is quite hard, this can only be performed by (mostly russian aircraft),
To recover it you only need to pull the yaw against the direction you are spinning and done.
how does it maneuver like that?: it’s made by thrust vectoring, the su57 as extreme advanced and good thrust vectoring (don’t really want to explain what TVC is)
Its also assisted by the extra wide spacing of the engines. Split thrust on that machine and the plane will rotate FAST.
@@edwardfletcher7790 yes
An f14 surprising an SU57 from behind, of course 😂😂
Did you not watch the movie? Right before this scene the cruise performed a split throttle pirouette to get behind the enemy which is realistically possible
A bad henchmen with plot armor. This maneuver surprised even me! Still love this movie.
This is a certified Sukhoi witchcraft moment
Or maybe a Belkan witchcraft moment...
Or as Forrest Gump would say, maybe even both
Ah yes. The Loaded Barrel Manuver. Some Planes are actually capable of pulling this off but its quite difficult and recovery is not guaranteed. However due to the Flat design of the Su-57, not only did it perform it easy, but it also allowed some hangtime as well. Quite a display of power.
go back to reddit please
It didn't perform anything as it was CGI, and is incapable of this manoeuver lmao
@@jimmoynahan9910 this manuver has been demonstrated in real life, and allthough the su 57 is techneologically inferior to nearly any 5th gen U.S fighter, the one inarguable truth is that i can fuckin MOVE
@@jimmoynahan9910 I mean, Su-35 can easily do that
@@jimmoynahan9910 yes it was cgi but no it’s not impossible. This same exact maneuver was done at a Russian air show so you’re completely false
in the cinema is actually said "what the fuck was that?" before rooster said it.
The sound design in this scene doesn't translate that well on CZcams. It was loud af and so fucking cool
That's like a 30g maneuver plus the missile is proximity fuzed so it would be a kill anyhow.
If im not mistaken the Sidewinder on The F14 would have still been able to track the heat from the jets and still would have taken down the SU57
i think it s called plot armor
Wait why is he flying the f14 .) the timeline isn’t for the present
Not to mention the proximity fuse
The SU-57 has DIRCM
A laser that scrambles a missile and disable the proximity fuse
This was so cool I imagined it would be the 'most replayed' part of the movie, hands down.
the way my theatre fucking froze at this
This sure IS INSANE!--once the Sukhoi's nose came up, the 'winder should've closed the distance almost instantaneously, then it's proximity fuse would have detonated the warhead while passing that close and if that didn't shred the Sukhoi, even a split second squirt from the Vulcan surely would!
well, Maverick looked to be in shock by that maneuver, guessing why he didn’t kill the SU57 there
@@wtf-hc3tp yeah someone else commented that at top gun school occasionally someone will do an insane maneuver and the other pilot doesn’t react cause they are so shocked
All WT players know that that jet is fucking dead even if the missile wasnt a dead on shot
Awacs: "SPARE 8, NO DOGFIGHTING"
*Proceeds to dogfight anyways *
The dogfight:
That’s why its not about the pilot, its about the plane.
“I want to understand the enemy”
Bell manoeuvre very nice
Literally said "oh yeah I can try that thing I saw in Ace Combat!"
Ace Combat be like:
This maneuver is actually possible, as the SU-57 Felon has Thrust-Vectoring engines. My problem is, the speed doesn’t make any sense to me, as Mav and Rooster were trying to go as fast as possible to get out of enemy territory. And, it would still take the Felon a good minute or two to catch up to the Tomcat. The 57 is no F-22, no matter what the Russians say. They, somehow, reversed an F-117’s stealth from an incident over Kosovo, back in ‘97. Doubt they somehow figured out the Raptor’s Supercruise mode (the ability to go Supersonic without Afterburners).
Uhhh didn’t Mav do his “hit the brakes” move to get behind the Su57 right before this scene? So what part of the speed situation are you not understanding?
@@davidzzz94 yep but the plane in that dive gain a lot of speed, but its a movie, dont need to make sense everytime, even this maneuver, you use the thrust vectoring to dogfight, not dodging misiles, its suicide
@@munozjuanpablo1266 Here comes another mansplainer, where is this dive you’re talking about? They are not in a dive! IR seeking missiles like sidewinders now are extremely resistant against flares after they launch, only pre-flaring has a reasonably good chance at defeating these missiles. So there’s not really anything wrong with maneuvering against a fox2. Yes movies are not always accurate, but you’re trying to pick this movie apart with knowledge you don’t have and at things that are not even wrong.
@@davidzzz94 You’re right. He did hit the speed brakes to get behind the 57, and the 57 pilot could have countered by performing a kullpit maneuver (depending on what the true speeds actually are), but all I’m suggesting is that after the 57 performs (I don’t know the actual maneuver name), he shouldn’t have been able to get back onto Mav’s 6 so easily.
@@davidzzz94 Also, ‘mansplainer’? You’re suggesting that military aircraft maneuvers only belong to men? And we can only explain them? You’re dead wrong. I’ve been studying military aircraft since I’ve been 16, and I’ve studied encyclopedias and magazines. I’m going by pure ‘knowledge’, and just giving an opinion, as I’m not a pilot, nor will I ever be. I would never argue with a SU Pilot, nor an American Pilot. They know what would actually happen. So, before you bring ‘feminism’ into this argument, maybe learn a bit more before thinking I’m trying to put your views, down.
The most unrealistic thing about this scene is that they have operational su-57’s
Lol, no
LOL! What about f14's shooting down su 57?
Maverick just saw something he hasn't seem in almost 40 years of flying
The first time me and my dad watched this and we got to this scene I immediately looked over to my dad and he was smiling and amazed
This scene was actually really accurate. For one the su-57 is more than capable of doing that maneuver. Secondly that maneuver can be done at high speeds which they were in. Whether it would be used realistically in the fight is open to debate, really depends on the confidence of the pilot in his aircraft. Thirdly, the missile wouldn’t have exploded because the launching aircraft was too close. All aim-9’s and the newer aim-9x’s won’t explode unless the hostile aircraft is further than a mile. You don’t want the FOD from the missile being sucked into the intake, and at that close of range the shockwave from the blast could stall the engines of the f-14 which they’re incredibly notorious for stalling.
That’s how we lost Goose ☹️
@@jrod761 we lost goose because his head hit the canopy upon ejection
@@chelo4197 no he was talking about why the aircraft engines were down
Doing 'Offensive' Maneuver to dodge a missile guarantees you to hit that missile 100%, due to wasting energy, thankfully for AIM-9.
Man I regret not watching top gun maverick in theaters
You now have your chance in the month of December!
Such great music in this scenes too
Yes that maneuver is possible .
What is not possible is using that maneuver to dodge a missle like that.
Is it not possible to notch a missile?
@@guts-141 I'm not sure if you meant DODGE a missle or not?
If you were asking if it's possible to dodge a missle, my answer would be a big hell no.
An air to air missle once fired is locked on its target and much MUCH faster than the target it is after...
If you've been locked on and the missle fired, your only choice is to eject. Not even flares are going to do you much good.
@@hyrulemazta2296 i said notch not dodge
Never heard of Notching???
The cobra is an awesome demo move, but to dodge a missile, you need to move perpendicular to it while at a high rate of speed. If you just dramatically decreased your speed while the plane is still traveling through the air in the same direction the missile is just going to hit you sooner than it would have..
Aka, 'a notch'. It actually all depends on multiple factors. There's no single method of shaking off a missile, it always changes depending on angle, proximity, type of tracking, etc.
But, one thing you never do is climb. Missiles love thinner air, and all you're doing in the end is trying to make something bigger and heavier fight hard to gain altitude, against something lightweight and faster. Missiles can climb faster than a jet fighter can.
falling leaf not cobra
@@Aquascape_Dreaming “Notching” refers to flying perpendicular to a pulse-doppler radar source in order to bring your apparent velocity below the velocity gate of the radar source and appear “invisible”. You can’t notch an IR guided missile such as the one in this video because it doesn’t use pulse-doppler guidance. The reason to fly perpendicular to an IR missile is to try and bleed the missile of its energy by forcing it to turn sharply to intercept you, while at the same time providing a wider field of view from the missiles IR sensor to the flares that you should be releasing as you turn.
@@ltaldoraine4495 Kvochur bell
the moment I saw this maneuver I had to try it in vr
That kvocher's bell was crazy
They have proximity fuses. They don't have to hit inorder to explode and that missile was close enough to go kaboom
most overrated maneuver in history, every experience western pilot is taught when a thrust vectoring jet pull one of this fancy maneuvers you immediately go vertical cause the thrust vectoring jet doesnt have energy to go vertical with you, its got to level out or dive to regain full energy, by the time it regain energy to engage again your non-vectoring jet already on him with a chance for a gun kill or a within visual range missile kill, its the same reason the american never bother to install thrust vectoring on there upgraded jets and why europe is sticking with non-vectoring eurofighter..well its very good in airshows and wow the crowd.
Maverick: Have a nice day
Su-57 Pilot: BRIAACH
Then proceeds to perform the Cobra Twist
Maverick: What the!? Well that's new
actually, 5 seconds before this video start, maverick did something to emulate the flat-spin and made F14 turn sharply like it have vector engine
No modern jet -- 5th or 6th gen, is going to dodge a missile in that manner; especially, wvr. I hated this scene because it basically treats an aerial dogfight like a bullfight, only the bull and matador have been replaced with jets. It creating an overhyped monster that does not exist. Thrust vectoring does not create as much lift as a wing, nor can it out maneuver a missile with 3d vectoring itself.
Source : western propaganda
@@ZXJL Source: Reality. Infrared missiles track heat, in reality, the SU57 would've dropped flares and kept going. The PSM maneuvers only serve to bleed massive amounts of energy in a fight.
@@Ananamitron bleed airspeed to let your opponent opponent to overshoot, then use missile or gun to kill em
@@ZXJL If you think that in reality .... it's like computer games... you have serious problems dude !!!
@@salesincu nah, i seen some of my country airforce su 30 did , its not about politics of what im saying and im neutral,. Just admiring what those plane capable to,
Bro decided to be Trigger for a second
People: impossible maneuver, useless too.
Director: but isn't it cool?
People: I'll allow it.
This is a kvochur’s bell maneuver
This type of scene/manoeuvre better be in the next instalment of Ace Combat
Truly a phenomenal scene
"What the fuck was that" Love that line.
Concealing your thrusters is the best way to dodge a infrared guided missiles