EFF disingenuous in rejecting GNU - Madonsela
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Former public protector Professor Thuli Madonsela says the EFF is
being disingenuous in rejecting a proposed Government of National
Unity with the DA, as it has worked with the party in coalitions.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.
She is such a breath of fresh air, i enjoyed her perspective on constitutional democracy and social justice
Can we all just focus on doing what is best for South Africa, and getting jobs for the kids...all of them...
Whenever this woman speaks, slow learners suffer severe chest pains 🤣🤣🤣
lol, because we dont agree with her, or maybe we dont understand all those big words?
Yes we are slow learners but she also needs to tell us on what basis she's saying some people voted for middle ground which in this case is anc with its moderate policies. But definitely, there's no tool to determine the anc is moderate, because voting for is mostly determined by sentiments, hopeful conceptualization and loyalty and I think we why is the latter the most dangerous because it is mostly nit informed by objectivity but also the new factors on the modern politics is they buying off of politicians to look the other way and be rich why the downtrodden are subjected to business manipulations and austerity policies imposed on politicians. DA is exactly that, an austerity based politics whi h sick to exploit the labour from poor communities as a cannon fodder to enrich the few whom in South Africa are whites.
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So says a fast stupid learner
This woman is learned for sure kkkkkkkkkk
Who the hell wrote that title because she spoke about so much more fruitful things than what the eff said. SA media is so annoying
Exactly
Came here to say this she said so many positive things and they summarized it to that one statement
The media is still hating the EFF even when our votes declined. So much hate
It's the haters.
The propogandists!!
She is so correct in saying that the public needs to know what the plans forward are before signing a deal.
But we wont. Deals are meant to be secretive
Qqqq
This woman is brilliant
😂😂😂😂
Mxm
😭😭😭😭😭
Honestly she is brilliant and the perfect mindset to take forward.
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Wow, Professor Madonsela, this was an insightful analysis on the matter.
I like this version of Prof. Thuli👌🏿
Absolutely my brother! I'm glad I'm not alone here 👌🏽
This lady really gave me hope in our beautiful country.
U like all sellouts then
U like her when she's anti white u mean ...last year u was hating on her for being pro white lol ..
All the parties must know that people have voted. Let all parties know that, it is not about them but about people of SA
Prof has spoken, the students should take notes🙌
Prof Madonsela. I respect your vision,integrity and honesty. And just hope more Black people and leadership listen to you. We experiencing the same dilemma in Namibië.
Hi Thuli! Strong courageous lady and true full lady.
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"Betha inja" the owners will come out
If even half our so called leaders were only half as informed, conscious and active.
😂Watch people turning pink after hearing this 😅Thanks mme Thuli.
This lady is going to turn Navy blue black when she gets fired 🤣🤣
EFF has rights and Madonsela has no power to threaten those rights. It is well covered that Madonsela supports Cyril.
Wow, I'm impressed by the views of Thuli Madonsela.
People must remember that investors are not South African but International. As soon as some exit there would be a stampede of others rushing in.
How can they come to where others are running away from.....really ridiculous 😂
Like in your zimbabwe, is there is an investor stampede😮
@@dephinecee8815 not like my in my Zimbabwe but every country. Zimbabwe is not a country but "lie" and markets are appraised.
@@ikgothule6463 They will come because they have no superiority complex, they do not sympathise with apartheid. White South Africans are too bloody racists and Apartheid beneficiaries who want to hold on to their inheritance. They do not want to share but there are millions of progressive white people out there.
There is a stamped of Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 people in SA. They can tell you better there are no new investors in Zim hence they come here enjoy the remnants of what we are left with....if we are not careful we will soon lose what is left
Intellectuals understand you Prof Madonsela
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So you are an intellictual
We'll done my sister salute
Define black people?..... Does it still include Coloured and Indian people or not?
It should. Politically they are black
Coloured and Indians are black.
Very sensible input by Prof Madonsela. Best input on where we are, by far.
Refreshing to listen to people(Thuli) who have facts not noise makers who are empty❤💪🏽👌🏽
The ANC must form a coalition with the EFF and MK. It will be tough, but their voters will learn why not to vote for them. You get the government you deserve and vote for.
As long as there's no rednecks, we're fine
Surely anything is better than the spawn of apartheidists? Lol
Lol ,
You are so right, ppl get the government they deserve. Cape Town now the gang capital of SA, Highest shootings in SA, highest alcohol related domestic violence, highest gang related deaths, highest drug related domestic violence etc etc etc. And they keep voting DA, It will be tough, but their voters will learn why not to vote for them
Never mix petrol n sand. The car won't start
Incredible how time has mellowed Madonsela and brought her back into the ANC thinking.
Please remember what zupthas have done They all most captured the state and allowed a private plane to land in the most strategic location of a state which is the Air Force base for the wedding of Gupthas daughter.
That is in the past
@@monicaditlhage1430 lol. YESTERDAY is also in the past. this morning is the past. do you just ignore the past when you make political decisions? Anyone voting ANC or MK in 2024 is delusional, which sadly means that more than half of our country are delusional !!
@monicaditlhage1430 not really because ordinary south Africans like me and millions of others feel the effects until now
The looting of state money and neglect of SOEs mean a lower quality of life for us all unless one is stinking rich. Poor service delivery, bigger potholes everywhere, less money for good treatment at hospitals and clinics, extra rude incompetent nurses, rude police,high crime , extra load shedding, higher electricity priced,higher inflation,skills drain etc
That's the price of Zuptha era we still pay and will continue to pay
If we can forgive what the white government has done to us, surely we are a forgiving nation.
Families of Rupert, Oppenheimer, Rothschild etc have been capturing SA for the longest time and exploiting our resources for decades what's your take on that?
What did she say when the DA declared the eff enemy number 1?
Tell me how u can wk with yr enemy she is crazy
Now they re saying MK is enemy number one.. To hell wit DA
You are not understanding the difference between a coalition and a GNU.
The voters of South 5:13 Africa has, punished the rogues and VBS thieves,9%,,you guys are living in denial,
What is the difference according to you@@thomasgosling5155
SA needs 5 years of delivery. Policy and ideology is largely irrelevant at this stage.
Thank you.
Besides ActionSA and some other parties, no one has even mentioned the people.
It's all about what shitty dreams they sold the people, which 90% of time they don't deliver on them any way.
Irrelevant for the land thieves, but the millions of landless South Africans need access to land.
@@biko8229 To do what? The tribal homelands are not utilised effectively. Most people don't have the ability or means to become commercial or even subsistence farmers.
Why has the anc NOT improved ever citizen’s life ? In 30 years? Could have been done if they didn’t steal all the money.
What did whites do within their own capacity to redress the previous injustices against the Natives over the past 30 year's ?
I am NOT sure what do you mean by NOT ever; I travel a lot and I see new areas (Kasi) that only started in the past 30 years. People with solid houses, water in the yard, flush toilets and many. My home has state of art primary school built in the past 6 years, I mean school with a stadium (never heard of in a village). After 1994 my village started a High School which for many years had very good pass rate. Not just a pass rate, even schools around during June holidays, they’d children.
Let’s not listen or rather only tell one side of the story. I am not only talking about EC, even WC township that the councillors of the former governing party built. What hit them is maintenance and high jacking by selfish ones who are corrupt. Otherwise let’s be honest
I am impressed by advocate Thuli Madonsela in this interview, I never expected her to be this brave on sensitive topics.
True
100 % but watch out peeps attack her regardless. The woman has always been interested in serving people but mis understand her bcos she does not mince her words and always stands on her truth. 😊
This lady is a brilliant woman and so fair.
@@muntuzakhwela5924 Intentions don't matter only results do. She is clearly clueless about a lot of things and had she stuck to the questions she could have avoided exposing herself. She clearly has little to no understanding of economics but why should I be surprised, it is exactly what we should expect from someone who refers to themselves as "Social Justice Activist".
Knowledge is power💪
Thuli Madonsela it cannot be about the constitution only governance is also very key here because the biggest blunder by the ANC has been governance and not the constitution
So much that is being discussed is to a large extent missing the point, the major issue at this point is that the government over the past 20 to 30 years have been incompetent and corrupt resulting in many sectors of society actually deteriorating. Just rectify those things for one and many of the societal and economic issues will be set on a progressive path. The ANC is not capable and lacks integrity.
You're right, if they (ANC caders) did not steal all the money and also those big salaries these cadres receive for doing nothing.
Didn’t the DA said they wouldn’t enter into gnu if the EFF is involved?
Being a puppet makes one say stupid things
She never complain when DA don't want to wk with EFF
even before elections
Yebo so EFF is gone ?😂😂 they are a kak memory of the past
@@CodyDelport ur kak u mean
TM seems to think all the problems not solved over the last 30 years can be resolved in the next week.
This is truly the Devils Advocate
Go Google the last land state (audit 2018), 10% dont own 75% of the land! Some people can't interpret a land audit, the 10% only owes 23.4%, the state is the biggest land owners , with tradition Leaders.😊
No one cares about manipulated audits,YOU HAVE NO LAND AS A SETTLER!!! some people cant read between the lines😂
They also do not want the land that is not farm land. It is like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Zimbabwe chased all their farmers away and gave the land to non-farmers.
75% of land in KZN is black owned. Fact.
I had all my respect for this lady once but she has totally lost the plot now.Over 30 years and we are still blaming the past look at all the money these politicians (ANC) have stolen and waisted another 30 years will pass we will be even worse off and we will blame the blame game.We need to get international investment, create jobs sort out crime, build infrastructure and educate people the rest will fall into place but it all starts with good governance and law and order.South Africans don't want to work anymore they want social grants.
Candid and concise
Wow, Pro Madonsela! Power in your words! Good heart also.👌🏽👌🏽
Really what does affirmative action doing for the black man in the streets and in the rural areas
A lot. The makeup of the people with whom I work is far more representative because of AA. Truth. I.e. its giving Africans real opportunities they would not have otherwise had.
@claranalagy BBBEE, in its current format doesn't serve the common South African. Each year we get poorer. Each year the inequality gap widens.
@claranalagy Do we really need apartheid 2.0 to up-skill and empower the previously disadvantaged? BEE excludes all minorities from open participation in the economy, not just white people. If you look at statistics across the board, coloured people are poorer and far more disadvantaged than black people. Because of BEE, they are now oppressed into perpetuity. You need to do some research. There are consequences to everything.
kkkk its serving 90% the well politically connected only
@user-oi7vx1in5x I'm really sorry to hear that and thanks for that. It seems so hard to find an answer for the common man.
Captured this lady coz she never said anything when his party the DA declared the EFF as enemy number one you are so buyers thuli i give up in you
If you listened to the whole interview ,you will realise the title is big time clickbait. She actually highlighted that the anc and eff have similar policies too ,that's why it's not good that they aren't interacting with the ANC because of the DA
Not captured, she's educated
Fisrt time I hear Thuli speak like this👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
It's because people have the wrong idea of this woman! She's honest.
@@ramasodimalete7193 Exactly. They tried assassinating her character because she did her job unapologetically.
She's been on point ever since. I wish people can open their eyes and ears and listen to Prof Madonsela
You are a great Prof. I a gree with you & the narrative of Nelson Mandela 🎉
Sober minds are critical at this juncture. Requirements of our constitution are non-racial, non-sexist democratic SA. Our politics must be guided by that and not our own narrow selfish interest.The problem with our constitution is that it allow so many parties to flourish and this promote greed and selfish leadership in our country. Bigger countries like the USA and the UK don't have such.We going no way.
Guys is this really Madonsela or is it AI???
😂😂😂😂I am also wondering.
I love the professor's thinking. She would make an awesome president.
You are crazy 😧.
Awesome *pup-pet
@@Coco-kw3iv all people who voted for Zuma will support you because they hate her for the state capture inquiry.
@@Coco-kw3iv y u say so?
Stellenbosch president 😭
Wouldn’t it be great if ALL the politicians could agree to work for the people. Not single minded focus on the party.
Thank you.
Well said!!!❤❤❤❤
Well Spoken the Former Public Protector in South Africa we need more Women to participate I SALUTE you MaMa Afruca❤🎉❤
I enjoyed listening to this interview yesterday. Prof Madonsela is an erudite and an academic genius. She made brilliant points that I hope the Politicians took notes of.
DA had already dismissed any idea of working with EFF, long before elections were held.
Good we have a democratic constitution none racist eff does not want white people
daaaah party must go away
And?
Because the EFF and MK don't support a constitutional democracy. As Tuli said, the constitution should be central to a new government. You can't have 2 parties in a GNU that do not support our constitutional democracy.
Thank goodness
Thuli is a smart woman.
Profound advises. Only the ignorant believes there are enemies in politics. Eg DA and EFF have worked together before. Maturity!!
So true, now that they wanted to win power everyone was saying kick out the ruling party. Now it’s time we see them working together. For me this narrative that investors this.., when Africa focuses on developing her people, it’s always about investors. How I wish one day Africa will have leaders standing together and focus on people. With economy in the hands of the few, I still have a problem. I stay in the WC come and see who does economy favours…
I think everyone is EFF in their heart's heart!,only a matter of time now😊
I can guarantee u I am NOT and will NEVER be EFF in my heart!!
everyone except the people who actually vote, apparently.
Everyone is not 9% of South Africa. Only racists.
And i maintain: everyone is EFF deep in their hearts. Ofcourse with exception of selfhating dummies and racists . Welcome Prof madonsela,i see u🤭🥰
If you r part EFF, I'm not one of them and 90% of South African don't support the EFF.
I will never vote for the racist and corrupt EFF.
DA rejected a GNU with EFF and she said nothing about it.
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Also in what capacity is she commenting on this matter, she has no expertise on the topic.
That is a very important question. Is it her speaking in terms of public protection? She is really out of her depth when it comes to politics. She is literally commenting as an ordinary citizen, but a celebrity also. Where in the vote did she see voters saying they dont want "state capture" ? What a weak analysis.
Stop talking Rubbish !!!
Matric Domkop John Steenhuisen said that before the elections...
After the elections....not a single word from him about that !!!!
The White Racist DA made a 360° flip flop after the elections...
All of a sudden they Support Palistine and Hamas....
The NHI Bill..
The Bela Bill...
Selling Arms to the Rusians...
No more running to the USA....
Thanks to Domkop John Steenhuisen the DA lost 300 000 votes in this election....
It's going to be tripple the amount next time...
The Dom Doos must go !!!
D A never rejected GNU
Makoti wase Stellenbosh😂
So what?
Very profound. I expected here to touch on the shared experiences of all the parties to be part of the GNU. Again we are faced with political ideology differences, this is going to be chaos.
Who rejected who first?
Eff
So what and why does it matter??
DA declared EFF enemy number 1
@@sifisodube4686lies
@@sifisodube4686go comment on Zimbabwe, this is none of your business, the arrogance!
Thuli its a grt pleasure! I thank U!
I love Prof Madonsela Thuli she is just one of the most brilliant people we have in this country.
We dont need Eff and mk in the Coalition
Thuli is spot on, ANC is the only party closer to the constitution, and a deal with DA will perpetuate the marginalisation of the majorly, investor sentiments should not be a primary consideration in the formation of the GNU
That's not true. Her views are extreme. You can forget about having a growing economy and a developmental state with a party like the ANC. Look where we are. Look at our economy. We are ALL getting poorer, and the inequality gap is widening. We need to strengthen the state, and if that means spending within our means, then so be it. If we continue on the ANC's path, an IMF bailout is guaranteed, and they will dictate the terms. We must balance economic growth with our social justice imperative.
We need policy alignment before considering a GNU. Policy alignment should dictate government formation. If we reject the radical policy ideas emanating from the EFF and MK, those parties must be left in the cold. The ANC got us into this mess. Therefore, many of their policies must be ditched, too, and replaced with policies that are progrowth.
@@user-oi7vx1in5x Don't forget that during the Thabo Mbeki era our country was growing closer to 5% and there was no DA
@@zicodasilva1496 the last 15 years was predominantly state capture and to some extent the two year covid pandemic, all these had a negative effect in our economic growth trajectory
@@user-oi7vx1in5x ANC has mechanism and experience to put our country back to where it was during the second administration of economic growth, we don't was parties that have radical policies of open borders, changing our constitution etc. and driving investors out of our country, no to eff, mk and da.
That was the past, and we are tired of all the distance. You will not stop until South Africa looks like the rest of Africa
Much respect to you Thuli you talk sense you very courageous lady full of confidence❤
This is the first time i hear this woman speaking sense.
So none of you heard her criticise the DA’s policies? How their policies are against the constitution? How the ANC’s policies are closer to the Constitution? Did you guys not hear that?
They are not interested in that, that is not their narrative. They are the sons and daughters of the state captures, they are motivated by it. Anything outside that narrative means nothing to them.
The ANC'S so called bad policies are far from what the constitution stipulated.
DA voters are decided. They don't hear criticism.. much like evangelical Christians. Selective hearing 😢
No. DA voters want the same things but just have a more effective way of getting it done
I love Prof Thuli Madonsela so much, this was very insightful.
I would like to see coalition that could take us forward on cleaning the bribery fir every department,to name the least,department of traffics,home affairs,the police and justices?
I love her!
No nonsense came out of the Prof's mouth.
She doesn't normally make sense but at least today she made sense
Your recommendations will be wise to consider and execute on. Thank you for the great example you are in SA judiciary.
The term ‘black parties’ and the attitude of the EFF to refuse to work with the DA, shows how racially divided South-Africa still is. This is sad.
The DA refused to work with the EFF first😂 the double standards are wild
the attiude of that dahhhhh party
We will never unite, I tell my kids never to trust a white man, not hiding that at all
When people talk about the 'black' parties what are they real referring to? parties that are led by majority 'black people, or parties that have majority 'black' people as voters' is the MK and eff the supposed to be representative of either? Does any of these parties a better representative of 'black' interest than the DA or PA, or Action SA or all combined?
EFF is the most racist party in South Africa and people that support that (9%) are racists as well as you cannot support a racist party and not agree with their views. PATHETIC in 2024.
This news channel should be renamed "newsroom colonisation 2.0"
I agree with you
Or grow up you still stuck in the olden days it’s time to move on
@sifisodube Voetsek you nosy man, where were you during our struggle, you are not South African so shut up
Go to school and learn to spell before you try to look smart!
@@sifisodube4686Should by called uncle Tom tv🚶🏿🚶🏿🚶🏿.
wow well-spoken Thuli, I just wish all you have outlined here can be considered in the formation of the new government.
Oh LORD God Almighty, thank you for allowing me to listen to mom Madonsela for the first time since 2016 🎉. Indeed, she spoke some facts on the coalitions deal.. People should know what it entails. I applaud her there🎉🎉🎉. I pray to continue listening to her again 🎉🎉
She's very well spoken on the priorities and direction the country should be going at
It is her who is being disingenuous. The DA long before the elections declared yhey will never work with the DA.
The DA said it will not work with the DA. Are you smoking tik bra?
So, what? We should just accept the DA's demands because they made them before elections. The DA must step aside and stop making noise.
I encourage them to apply the constitution, criminal justice plus public administration including the social security for unity of the country .
POWERFUL AND BRILLIANT WOMAN!! GOD HAS BLESSED YOU WITH INSIGHT. SHARE YOUR INSIGHTS AND VISION TO US WHO ARE NOT POLITICALLY EDUCATED ❤ AND LIGHT FROM US❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂🎉🎉
VIVA DA. MOST BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE HUNGRY NOW KNOW AND BELIEVE THAT ONE DAY SOMEONE WILL RESCUE POOR BLACK PEOPLE. GOD HELP DA .
And that is the DA. Obviously, either you know nothing about the needs of the black majority or you don't care or both.
Well that's a lie, for 3 consecutive elections the DA has achieved an average of 21% meaning it has reached its ceiling meaning black people do not trust it.
Talking nonsense problem started in 1652 when settlers kiled natives and stole land
And who wants to be rescued by the DA? Which poor black ppl? Who needs rescuing? Who wants to be rescued by the old National Party? The DA has been in power in the Western Cape i don't know for how long. Stellenbosch vs Khayamandi. pinelands vs Langa.... Go and see who the DA is rescuing. If you are not a poor black South African then please don't speak for them.
@user-bi3is2ci5q yes but what about what happened after 1994? Why do we ignore the corruption,stealing and looting of state money that is taken from all of us via tax and supposed to be used to make our life's and country better. Its only used for a few people who are the thieves and the rest of the country suffers. Poverty has increased after 1994 ,why? The stealing and looting. Crime is higher,poverty is higher,unemployment is higher, potholes are bigger,bridges are falling mxm. We must also start facing the truth that until the looting and stealing stops ,we will never be able to have true transformation to address the ills of apartheid.
She gas no shame and have mastered the skill of lying that's why we are here and she still talks nonsense of state capture what is that.
This lady yoh
Uslima domkop
Isnt she sitting at Wits or Stellenbosh. See proximity, hence her marketing
What do think she should.be saying?
@@kazygardens9862is that supposed to be a crime? Where do u sit?which side of the fence are u on?
Well said prof Madonsela. The people of South Africa first not investor's
SA politics are about to get complicated....that's never good for the ordinary citizen
😂 mama is smiling but breathing in fear ...am I the only 1 that notice.. seem mama is under duress 😂😂😂
😊She must be... Remember her Eskom report submitted to Zondo commission?
"Thuli Madonsela has struck a deadly blow against Eskom and the people of SA"- late Dr Ben Ngubane(2017)
The majority of black people or people would better off if the Gupta's zuptas and bee elites ANC didn't steal the money stolen
That is the problem ànd now we all suffer
💯 true!! I couldn't agree more
You talking problem started in 1652 when settlers kiled natives and stole land
@user-bi3is2ci5q yes stealing the land is never a good thing. But remember poverty INCREASED in our country after 1994. It's because of this stealing and looting. So we can't be blind to what the Zuptas did. Their stealing and looting from our govt money means more potholes, less money to hire police ,more crime, less money for clinics and hospitals, underpaid nurses who can be so rude, botched surgeries, high food prices ,people dying of malnutrition,falling bridges because of corruption ,less money to maintain our water stations etc it's not just about Jan van Riebeeck,it's about money that's been stolen in the last 15 years that's making the poor even poorer and making a few people rich while we all suffer with higher costs of living and poor service delivery and lower quality of lives. Zuma and the guptas were not the friends of Jan van riebeeck but they behaved worse 😐
Why is it that everyone has "joined the struggle at 13 years old"?
People of SA have voted' ' We need change rainbow nation
DA stands for transparency law and order. This frightens the thieves.
DA refused to work with the EFF first what are they hiding??
LAND THIEVES YOU MEANT TO SAY😊
DA dismissed EFF, MK n PA n she kept quiet. LWABHISH
She is a puppet of the STELLEBOSCH mafias this one. She will say and do anything for her stomach
Who interviewed her about it?
You don't know the difference between GNU and rejecting a coalition.
Plz get us the Guptas back
If you listened to the whole thing ,you will realise the title was used as clickbait.
Did anyone else notice Prof Madonsela’s troubled breathing?
Prof Thuli you are the best everyone should be equal what you said was biased you are for the people of Mzanzi hat's off to you ❤❤❤❤🎉
The Ausi Thuli, you are so clear
I can't stand her newly acquired accent. DA has also said they won't work with EFF so why blame only the EFF
Thanks
EFF enemie number 1 for Da
New acquired accent 😅😂😂
Her accent ain't new 😂 joining the GNU should not be about the DA or EFF. It should be about US,the PEOPLE. It's the ANC who decides who to work with ,refusing to work with the ANC because of someone else is immature. The EFF should approach the ANC with their list of priorities at least not just reject the GNU because of the DA. 🇿🇦
😂😂😂😂
Well said
All that glitters isn't gold.
She speaks of ubuntu,da rule of law n agreements,double standard again, was it democratic 4 IEC 2 ignore more than 25 political parties,voters by failing 2 address their concerns without rushing to announce da results n calling it true n fair.It's funny enough dt even mainstream media doesn't see this as real n serious news.
Ive always had respect for her up until now. WTF is she thinking. SHOCKING!!!
How refreshing it is to see an interview with a person that retains her impartiality and communicates with clarity and proven knowledge, even if she has her own perspective.
Good luck to SA for the future. All will be equal, everyone will have nothing.