I was state reffed in California... with out of state plates and license [What you need to know]
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2023
- Well even with out of state license, registration and state of residency i was state reffed. This video is to raise awareness to anyone unfortunate enough to live in this communist state.
I remember when I was a kid I used to think California was the coolest state ever now I think it is the absolute worst as an adult for so many reasons.
I’m currently active duty and I can’t wait til the day I get to move away from here
Me too, smh.
Facts
Yeah don’t vote blue if you don’t want this crap in your state.
Same, I moved here when I was like 9 around 1994... i am turning 40 very soon and I'm ready to dip out of here, we are planning to move to Texas or Arizona
Welcome to California. You can swap a gender but you can’t swap an engine.
Yeah that is true. Thankfully my son is still the oem gender
@@Hardwaretuned😭 😭
You actually totally can do an engine swap in california as long as you use all the emissions equipment that engine had.
@turbo_brian that's not true. It has to be the same exact engine. For example it can't be a small block Chevy going into a Honda.
💯😂
Happened to me in 21. They tried to state ref me for my powerstroke. I live in Texas. I just told them good luck with all that. I left three days later and was done with my trip to CA. Sent me a “official” letter. I just called and told them to do what they thought they needed to, and was told my truck would be on a list to find and do whatever they do. I said well if you find it in California it’s been stolen.
Ohio tried some crap with me yrs back when I was passing thru. They took my license and told me once I saw the judge and paid the fine I could get it back.
Few days later I'm back home in texas and called dps.
She told me come up there,get a replacement and said in nice way...they dont care what Ohio thinks,they can't do anything about it unless I go back to Ohio.
30 yrs later and nothing has ever come of it. Texas really doesn't care about other states garbage...lol.
Wrong! Your letter should have stated that the Corporate State of California has no subject matter jurisdiction. That's all nothing more.
I had a cop pull me over in Michigan. Many years ago.
Because of window tint on my side windows and he said he couldn't see inside while he was driving the other way.
I told him if he looked at my plate before pulling me over. You would have seen it's a Florida state tag.
He proceeded to give my information back and let me go.
This was 24ish years ago. Lol
@@jedclampett6466
Sov Cits say the silliest things.
Wouldn't go to California for nothing.
I was a San Diego Deputy who worked traffic for 16 years, until 2013. I have taken the State class for modified vehicle enforcement. In that class we only targeted Ca. vehicles. With the number of out of state military in San Diego, there are literally thousands of non-Ca vehicles in the City and County. This should go viral letting people know San Diego has become hostile to out of state tourists and business who dare drive a non-Ca. vehicle.
Thank you for the information. I was found guilty and fined by the judge. The cops said "we are going to get all of you". He said my car looks like cars at takeovers yet you would never see a fast mustang at a takeover. This video is blowing up
It’s pretty bad. They’ve gotten people I know here with stock exhausts. For whatever reason they tend to leave military cars alone. I will see military member cars with on base registration billowing out smoke from no emissions go by cops. They’ll have no cats, no resonators or mufflers, long tube headers and sometimes no flames and they never do shit. It’s pretty crazy how the policing is down here.
A lot of police and sheriffs have time to harass people over pretty stupid shit now but they won’t show up to someone walking around with a knife threatening people and things like that for hours, if at all. I guess they are too busy bothering people with stock exhaust on stock cars…
Calif is pushing out residents and businesses and it's abundantly clear they don't want any tourists or travelers don't you understand your not welcome here ,get out and don't come back ,if you wish to visit California DONT !!!!!
If all truckers refuse to go into California, their economy will crash. Let it happen.
We need to truckers to take things from California, lots of produce is raised there along with lots of crap that is shipped in from China.
@tomtibbits4423 and who cares. It would suck for us but what they make the rest of us do with their terrible politics is worth going through some hard times. Besides not being able to get cheap Chinese goods might make an American domestic market more of a possibility again. Move there if you want their junk. We don't need it anymore.
@@caleguenther89471000000000000000000% agree I live in Torrance right along the 110 to the dock and I hear the out of state truckers throw their Jake brake on at 3am as one final fuck u to the state nd I love it
Truckers definitely need to boycott COMMIEFORNIA
you must be true genius
As a truck driver. CA is just one of the states that I refuse to work in.
They are going to have a lot of empty shelves in future
@@juliogonzo2718when will that happen?
@@GregoryCunningham when it becomes too complicated to go to California
@@juliogonzo2718Sure the largest economy in the US with multiple ports. More likely your shit will cost more getting it somewhere else Enjoy.🤡
My guess is you have a CA drivers license and they asked why you didn’t register your car…….that is definitely illegal
I gave up fixing up my cars. Meanwhile, cars from Mexico come here and aren’t even CARB legal. CA is a shit show of a state.
Liberalism run amuck!! Get out of there!!! I left in 2003, and have been so relieved! My friends come visit me and are blown away how things are so different where I live!!!
Nailed It!
Same here in southern Arizona. The store parking lots always have some cars with plates from Mexico on a shopping trip.
California is no longer the state I was born in. I am 57 now and have seen the state turn to sh!t because of the one dominant party political system that’s been in place for the past 50 years. It is the Republik of Commiefornia. Land of dictators and socialists and communists.
@@garybulwinkle82What state did you move to? I am planning my escape.
As a car repair technician, my Alldata app will ask me, "for use in California" on many parts. Semi trucks are also NOT exempt from the Cali emissions related rules. It's BS dude 😢
That’s why I moved out of POS California, I’ve been able to enjoy my sti without looking over my shoulder at every light 😊
Living here is a nightmare for car enthusiasts. Enjoy your freedom
I advise people to not to go red states with CA plates - dangeros.
I live in northern california and we dont even require to do smog so not all places in california are bad.
Yup! I was born and raised there (San Diego) and left that shit hole 8 years ago this year.
Move to America Arizona and never looked back and will NEVER be back.
Me and my car are loving it!
Can i you tell me the state you are in. I have a R6 that got state reffed for loud exhaust, no blinkers, and plates. I need to get the fuck out.
“my mustang here identifies as carb legal” 😂
Yes sir
Can we not point out unjust laws and regulations without making people with actual identity issues a joke? I’ve seen this same comment basically all down this thread and it just takes away from the real issue. No one wants to support people that like to make others live the way they think they should, and so when you see that the people complaining about laws like this are the same people making the same tired jokes at the expense of the most vulnerable people in society, people are going to focus on that instead of the actual, legitimate issue raised. It’s just human nature, fair or unfair.
So if you can’t control your human nature to ‘other’ fellow citizens, others aren’t going to control their human nature to preemptively decide anything you have to say is just as unintelligent, and nothing changes. This was really messed up and if a state wants to treat visitors this way, people need to know so they stop visiting. Idk if it’s worse or better than my state that basically bends over backwards for visitors at the expense of the locals. Two different extremes I guess. But nothing can change if people don’t learn about it and people won’t learn about it if the people that are bringing the issue up are the same people that think it’s hilarious to beat a dead horse, making the same jokes for well over a decade, and putting people down for absolutely no reason. If you are a dick to others why should anyone care that cops are dicks to you?
This is from the California DMV website regarding military personnel "If you are on active duty you may operate a commercial vehicle owned by you without obtaining California registration provided the vehicle has valid registration in your home state or the state of military assignment at the time of registration, and is not used in a trade or business"
Right but im not sure how that affected my situation. Per the california law. Any registered vehicle in the entire united must abide by all emmission laws for California prior to entering. The only thing that prevented me from not having to fix my car was the judge. I got lucky.
It is based on where the car is registered at. It doesn't matter if Cali has smog or not. If your state does not require it then you can drive it in all 50 states. If that was the case then there will be smog station at the boarder of Cali when entering. People forget this is a free country and we are able to travel freely. @@Hardwaretuned
California can not legally make you abide by our shitty emissions laws unless its a commercial vehicle@@Hardwaretuned
@@Hardwaretuned I wonder if there is a loophole in the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act that would exempt military members from the emissions BS. It is an unnecessary burden for you to comply since you are stationed there (against your will).
@moosejaw50 no infact we were required to get a smog check to get our gate pass for FT Irwin for vehicles not registered in CA (and that was I think back in 98) . I even had to pay the 300 impact fee they had back then when I registered my mustang I bought while stationed in KS. CA doesn't care about military members.
The last thing CA got from me was the middle finger as I crossed into AZ. Never looked back & couldn’t pay me to go back.
I live in this stupid state and everyday I hate it more! Lived here all my life, 50 years, but my wife refuses to move. I can't stand Gruesome either!
Leave her and tell her to be with him lmfao. She ain't worth selling your freedoms to the state
Not a partner when they cause you harm. Not a marriage worth having friend.
Gotta leave her sir. She doesn't have your best interest in mind! 😢
the lawyers are horrible
Divorce in CA is very costly. Some coworkers I have talked to said it takes forever and a man gets screwed. lol.
I registered my car in Tennessee as I have a TN driver license and insurance. Cops are cracking down because people have cars registered in South Dakota or Montana but with California drivers license. I got state ref (Long Beach) when I had my car registered in Cali. I went to court and all the judge asked was my problems corrected. I told him yes and then they dismissed my ticket.
i lived out there in the 90s and it wasn't this bad, my car and license were in tn. back then they couldn't do anything to out of state cars.
@@metalbeast83 Yea, it got worse back in 2020 I think. It was voted on to make the emission laws really strict. That's why most companies don't mail illegal emissions parts to Cali. They haven't pulled me over yet, but I'm waiting. I am ready. They can't do anything to out of state cars as my state doesn't require smog or emissions inspection.
@@officialmew1127 yea where I am they don't have any smog or inspections on vehicles there are too many farms an nursery businesses here with junky truck for them to try that here . lol It would put the county out of business . This stuff right here is why we definitely don't need old dictator newsom to run for pres, he would ruin this country beyond repair.
@@metalbeast83oh the 90’s were awesome!
It all went to shit now.
Let me guess; somebody has a 1978 Dodge Lil Express Truck with its 360-4V with the old Mopar 340 cam, non cat dual exhaust and legal in most when new despite virtually zero emission equipment.
Let the refs try to enforce the equipment check on it since installing a pair of converters is technically tampering
I admittedly was riding dirty in SoCal for nearly 10 years. I was pulled over 2 times, but the officers were cool and never asked to see under my hood. Until the 3rd time. He did a U-turn in the middle of the road like he was a stunt driver on _'Dukes of Hazzard'_ and pulled me over because he heard by BOV and exhaust. But I had a Trump Card; I was moving east in 5 days. I showed him my vehicle transport invoice and moving company invoice, then he had the nerve to ask me (like it was going to help him) _"Does that state have a referee like CA?..."_ Bro. 😑 He let me go and said, _"I'd better not see this car on the roads after this date."_ I just said, _"You won't."_ I had a great time in CA, but it's the WORST for car enthusiasts.
Yeah you dodged a bullet there. There is some huge news im about to pass on to everyone that should be a sense a relief.
That cop probably identifies as a Prius.
Lmao yep
LOL!
Maybe, but leave out the R and the I, then add an S at the end.
My first and only visit to Cali was 20 years ago, we crossed into Cali from Arizona to go to the dunes and were literally ( zero exaggeration ) less than ONE mile into Cali when we were pulled over by a State Trooper in 100 degree heat(me, wife, 3 year old son) and hassled for an HOUR on the side of the road over window tint that was legal in Az., but not in Cali. We finally agreed i'd roll my windows completely down, open the rear sliding glass and immediately U turn and drive back to the Az state line, followed by him.Which we did - and I have NEVER gone back to that hell hole and never will .
Crazy everyone here runs illegal tint super dark never have any issues. Had way more problems in Washington state due to a speed trap right at the state line.
@@tfinvold Might be different now, but hell mine wasnt even that dark but the way that Trooper carried on you'd think i just murdered an entire troop of girl scouts and was dragging the bodies behind my truck down the hiway.
There were how many cop cars and cops that had nothing better to do came to look at your car?
First thing I noticed when I moved from California to the Midwest was the cops in the Midwest were actually pretty mellow. One actually held the door open for me while I was coming out of a convenience store and he was going in, that never happened to me when I lived in Cali, I lived there for the first 32 years of my life. That was 27 years ago and I’ve been in enjoying freedom ever since. ☮️🇺🇸
Yep I was surrounded by cops. It's beyond pathetic.
I will never step foot in Cali ever again.
All my family and friends are thier and I have no ambition to step foot in that sh@thole
I don't blame you
Unless you live in California, ignore them, they’re not going to go over multiple state lines for a simple traffic violation
I’m stationed here so I live here but as military my state of residency on taxes is in washington.
@@Hardwaretuned well in that case just tell them you’re car identifies as emissions compliment. by state law they have to accept that, if not it’s hate speech. 😂
from my understanding, Military personal do not have to register their cars here if they are stationed here. I read that on the DMV website I think.@@Hardwaretuned
@@ExodusAlpha3908What's Next His Mustang Identifies As A Tesla?
@@EDV8ZR1 I’m mean, it is the 21st century.
Contest in court, it'll get tossed out as state ref tickets only applies to cars registered in CA. If you're visiting CA for a short period of time then you should be fine.
12.145 Privileges of Nonresidents
Chapter 12 Nonresident Vehicles
12.145 Privileges of Nonresidents (CVC §6700)
The owner of any vehicle, other than a commercial vehicle, of a type subject to registration which is registered in a foreign jurisdiction may operate the vehicle in California until the owner accepts gainful employment in this state or establishes residency in this state, whichever occurs first, provided the vehicle displays valid license plates and has a valid registration issued to the owner, and the owner was a resident of that state at the time of issuance.
A nonresident owner of a vehicle may operate, or permit operation of, a vehicle in California without obtaining California registration if the vehicle is registered in the place of residence of the owner and displays valid license plates issued by that state. This exemption does not apply if the nonresident owner rents, leases, lends, or otherwise furnishes the vehicle to a California resident for regular use on California highways.
Any vehicle owned by a nonresident and furnished to a California resident for their regular use within this state must be registered in California within 20 days after first operation of the vehicle in this state by the resident (CVC §4000.4).
A nonresident registration that does not indicate an expiration date will be considered to expire one year from the date of first use of the vehicle in California. Fees are due immediately and must be paid within 20 days if the owner accepts gainful employment or establishes residency in California (CVC §4152.5).
I’m active duty military serving in California but my state of residency is in Washington.
@Hardwaretuned fucking with active military? LAME ASS BULLSHIT
I just got state reffed had no cats/catch can/ long tubes/no mufflers!!! I agree that the takeovers are ruining the car scene but the funny thing is most of those cars aren’t modified
Yeah the cops are frying the wrong fish. The takeovers are ruining it for people like us. Im waiting to see if this gets dropped. I’ll drive my car regardless.
Theyre going to make it difficult for folks who refuse to drive ev
@@slowfeetdonteat facts… I’m planning on leaving Ca once my job allows me to transfer
Most of those takeover cars are stock and STOLEN.
Again, they go after the easy targets because the rest would get them in trouble
Just needs to go to court they have no authority over an out of state resident with out of state registration. Pound sand California ✅
Thatbis completely false in every way. I was found guilty of emissions.
Yes they can do anything they want
The minute you drive over your car over the line It must qualify with California law like no dark tinted windows, etc.
You should check with another lawyer. Requiring all cars to meet CA regs is illogical, even bone stock cars from other states were/are built to different emissions standards. If that was true any bone stock car with out of state plates would be eligible for ticketing.
Judge stated the same thing as my attorney did. Cops, attorney and judge all said the exact same thing i mentioned in the video.
@@Hardwaretunedfucking road pirates
Cops here don't care. As long as they don't have to deal with jaquan for the 30th time this month, they'll take anything.
Well, hate to tell you this although it is listed in California's vehicle code, it's a federal law..... Hate to tell you, but Arizona and Texas is in the United States.... If a state chooses to actively enforce it, they can the same if they choose not to...... Act stupid, get stupid reward.... It's that simple. We also know that no shop in California would install that exhaust system.....if your out of state, the shop either gave you a written doc from the mfg or stated on the receipt it was illegal. So let's not play the I didn't know it or they just started enforcing it..... It's been this way since the late 1970's.......
@@jeffalvich9434 California's emission standards are not in fact federal.
Seriously, those takeovers are killing our car community!!!
Yes they are. Cops have us under one category and target us over those meets.
It's actually shitty politicians as well as unelected officials like the EPA and their agenda. Tax tax tax fine fine fine.
take overs?!? naw bruh, the MAJORITY of Californians voting for F'ing communist and socialist policies are what's killing EVERYTHING in California.
Of course it's more necessary to pull over cars. The poor and homeless that are robbing Harbor Freight dont have money to pay for a ticket. These states are hemorrhaging money. Law enforcement has to come up with the money somehow. Especially when some departments are having budget cuts.
Oh there’s no doubt it’s a money scheme.
You overlook the biggest thing ... Police Union Retirement Funds - that's what principal and locality's and counties need to FUND cause the Police / COPs are working for Retirement - get 80 % pay at retirement and FULL MEDICAL - do U!
I just researched the issue. California's regulations provide exceptions for out-of-state vehicles which are just "passing through." However, some local authorities enforce unreasonable standards for what constitutes "passing through."
Yo can you send me the link please
It’s illegal ( a misdemeanor ) to modify any exhaust as to make it louder than stock or defeat the emissions equipment in this state. California simply hates taxpayers. New laws are now aimed at motorhomes entering the state being smog tested while tourism by said motorhome owners is a big business. California has simply become the FU state more interested in making regulations and causing higher prices while making it harder for people to visit and businesses to stay in business. I don’t understand their reasoning behind shooting themselves in the foot with overregulation of businesses that draw tourism and the deterrence of the tourists to come and spend money ENJOYABLY in the state.
An RV is usually just driven to a destination and parked for an extended period of time. Not used to commute and hardly needs to be closely regulated for emissions. Carb and the EPA need to have their budgets cut to the same percentage emissions have dropped.
They physically can’t do that. I feel you though, I bought a 3v when I first got stationed here (had to sell it due to health reasons) but was always worried the cops would try to pull something like this. I have my whole driveway registered in TN now. Keep us updated on the outcome, I just put an obnoxious exhaust on the daily 💀
I was found guilty and had to pay the fine. Judge didnt order fix tho so i got lucky there
@Hardwaretun they just wanted your money. They do this to DDE all the time. Hopefully your lawyer fights this.
@@98ws6m6cvert we went to court and was found guilty of emmissions and had to pay the fine.
@Hardwaretuned crazy considering it's not registered there. Only loophole they can probably say is you're stationed there. That state is so stupid that even when I worked a wildfire emergency for them, they wanted me to pay their taxes,even though i dont live there, lol.
When I lived in Oceanside they would wait till some marines are about to get stationed elsewhere to pull them over and have them state ref'ed. causing a huge headache. I moved away to Arizona but it looks like its gotten worse out there.
What scumbags to do that to military personnel
How would the police know they were about to be stationed somewhere else?
Californians moving here have started the same BS they created in CA. Not all, but definitely enough to make themselves unwelcome in bigger cities.
Funny how humans migrate away from misery and bring with them the same mentality and attitudes that created the problems they are trying to escape.
@@thedumbnicname exactly!
They have nothing better to do.
Loved CA as a child but moved out when I turned 24 now all my cars & guns are modded and I’m as happy as I’ve ever been like when I was a child living in ca
According to CA law, the emissions rules only apply to cars being registered in CA.
On the other hand, CA’s 95db limit on exhaust noise applies to ALL vehicles, regardless of the state of registration.
i reached out to another attorney to show me in the black and white where it states what i mentioned in the video
When I did an engine swap on my 2005 mustang I had to provide documents that stated it met California emissions standards to pass MA state inspections. California must be God in disguise.
I had a modified mustang for over a year in San Diego and had no issue, but the one time i got to Del Mar they reff me all about the location.
Never consent to a search.
Right but they tow your vehicle if you dont and at the time i was under the impression since i dont reside here that i wouldnt have issues.
Thanks for the info, and sorry you had to put up with the bad cops. East County/Lakeside RULES!
I hear there's freedom out there.
so was the state ref for the engine mods as well not just exhaust? cuz my exhaust isnt very loud but im boosted. 😬 im located in east county san diego and ya i always try to steer clear from areas like downtown, chula vista, and now i guess la mesa lol. ramona, escondido, el cajon cops are all chill.
So the exhaust is what caused them to pull me over and then they said “ that doesn’t look carb legal “ after looking under my hood. it’s hilarious that all 6 cops had no clue what they were even looking at. I will say the blower will not come off the car.
Welcome to Ca if a manufacturer does not pay Ca for a CARB certification for his part it can’t be used in this state it’s a scam two part’s exactly identical and because no carb sticker no dice I know happened to me on a turbo. Totally OE style but no sticker I had to replace it and if you own a diesel truck well they’re out to get you also!!
I am from California and needed to go to do a presentation in Lassen County. I rented a car in Reno and drove over to Lassen County. I was driving a car that had Nevada plates on it. I was driving about 10 over the limit on a two lane highway. I passed a CHP going the opposite direction. He didn’t turn around right away but I saw he did eventually turn around and flip on his lights. By now he was several miles behind me. When I felt he was close enough and there was a safe place I pulled over and shutoff the ignition, opened the windows and kept both hands on the wheel. He went through the usual spiel. Then he looked at my license and rental agreement and said, “oh you’re from California.” It was at that moment that I realized I most likely got pulled over because I had Nevada plates and this was his M.O.. Yes I broke the basic speed law and was driving over the limit. However, lesson learned, I now check the plates on the car I rent and will only drive one with the state plates for the state I am in. Flash forward several years and I was driving the same stretch of road and saw the CHP pulled over another car with Nevada plates. Bottom line - I drive slower and check the plates before I drive out of the rental lot.
Great insight, thanx for the information!! Sorry you went through the stupid stuff with those hard assess!
Yeah it’s all good. This video will make its rounds. Really wanted to relay some information that has been misinterpreted. The cops don’t care what state you are from they are reaching.
Per ca dmv
12.145 Privileges of Nonresidents (VC §6700)
The owner of any vehicle, other than a commercial vehicle, of a type subject to registration which is registered in a foreign jurisdiction may operate the vehicle in California until the owner accepts gainful employment in this state or establishes residency in this state, whichever occurs first, provided the vehicle displays valid license plates and has a valid registration issued to the owner, and the owner was a resident of that state at the time of issuance.
A nonresident owner of a vehicle may operate, or permit operation of, a vehicle in California without obtaining California registration if the vehicle is registered in the place of residence of the owner and displays valid license plates issued by that state. This exemption does not apply if the nonresident owner rents, leases, lends, or otherwise furnishes the vehicle to a California resident for regular use on California highways.
Any vehicle owned by a nonresident and furnished to a California resident for their regular use within this state must be registered in California within 20 days after first operation of the vehicle in this state by the resident (VC §4000.4).
A nonresident registration that does not indicate an expiration date will be considered to expire one year from the date of first use of the vehicle in California. Fees are due immediately and must be paid within 20 days if the owner accepts gainful employment or establishes residency in California (VC §4152.5).
www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-registration-procedures-manual-2/nonresident-vehicles/privileges-of-nonresidents/ www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-registration-procedures-manual-2/nonresident-vehicles/privileges-of-nonresidents/
I visit family in ca from out of state and never get hassled by ca cops or chp.
Thankd for the citations to vehicle code. I bet he is living in California and not visiting.
So, if I own a vehicle that was certified to the Federal standards I have to change the car to meet the California standards?
makes me a little worried living in san diego with my custom nissan. I can pass a smog test with my mods but all it takes is one angry cop to hear my exhaust and tell me its over
That's their priority in that place, out of all things. Wouldn't even go there for vacation or whatnot, as that place just actively tries to restrict people from even travelling freely. Strucking a part of the American dream right at its heart.
Its okay to loot and riot but god forbid you put on an intake in your car.
@@Hardwaretuned And since the residents there love this so much, they might as well put up with it. Having thugs with badges to 'protect' them.. Nice.
If you got a state ref ticket in CA but your vehicle is registered out of state, it will not prevent you from continuing to register your vehicle out of state. It will be an issue if you want to move it to California. However, you still have a ticket to deal with.
So one question that i have is that if you dont live there do you have to put your car back to stock? or do you just pay the fines and move on. that sucks man i dont think plp know that
Very concerned my 2010 F350 DRW 6.4 diesel has been deleted (the emissions package killed them quick) , which is used to haul a truck camper and trailer, will get pulled over down there. I'm from an area in Oregon that does not test. Mostly concerned they would force me to have the whole combination trailered out of their State.
This is crazy! So if I drive from Ohio to California to enjoy the sights and off-road/car camp, my diesel has to be compliant??? Did you get fined? Do the cops carry decibel meters?
Yeah judge found me guilty and I was fined.
@@Hardwaretuned awful. How much?
480
@@Hardwaretuned unreal.
Sorry this happened to you.
So it seems if traveling to California it would be best to rent a vehicle instead of driving your own vehicle.
Lamborghini? Ferrari? Harley Davidson?
Classic muscle cars? Route 66 Hotrods?
@2:11 how did you answer the question of how many days have you been there? because they have a 10 day law, requiring you to register and change your driver's license. Not saying it's right but it's one of those that have not been challenged and ruled unconstitutional obviously.
It’s 10 days if you move to CA. If you’re on vacation, it doesn’t apply because you don’t live here
Doesn’t matter what state you’re from. You have to comply with the local state. I drove a semi into California. Got flagged by Prius from CARB at the state line. Long story short, $13k in fines. Because too much soot at the exhaust. Done with that state!
Federal commerce laws have entered the chat
The one thing that I won't do is make my car too loud and noticeable from and exhaust standpoint. I want to have fun and drive my car but I don't want others to notice me. I've driven several of my cars down to CA from WA State were I live too, and luckily I've been ignored. I want to hear a nice tone to my exhaust, but not everyone else because I don't want issues like I see so many others having. I hope you managed to get the heck out of the state and back home okay.
where does right to travel come in to play...ive seen lots of wins with that
I wonder if they pull people over for this in other CARB states, even if you’re out of state, or just Cali?
Carb stands for California air and review board so no ppl dont need to worry in other states.
So if someone owns a non-modified Federal emissions vehicle, not a CA emissions vehicle. That vehicle can't be driven in CA?
That's what they say but I still haven't seen anything about it
My husband got an offer to work at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory but it would have required us to move to California. He took a job at a naval yard in Maine instead and we haven't regretted it.
Good luck! This sucks ass! I wonder what the decibel limits are per county or whatever, in case I ever go there again. So unfair!
Okay - You spoke with an attorney - still hearsay. What is the actual state law that cites 'out of state' vehicles must be in compliance as soon as they hit the border? - Thanks
Dude, Australia has way harsh laws than California. If you get pulled over with any non-standard part fitted to your car you can be fined! They will fine you if your window washer bottle is too low, if they literally cannot get you for anything else? If you stop and lock your car and go into the woods or on private property there will be a fine slapped on your wind screen with a sticky back so they make sure it won't blow away in the wind and it will be addressed to the owner of the car!
I drove my mate's parents Toyota Altize Camry and the police will do a full lock down blocking every single road and mass impounding of cars even if you aren't doing anything wrong? Your parked up with your car and hood open like a mini private car show and Nek Minnet coppers fucken everywhere. Dude's with their mod 4x4s simply take plates off and drive over traffic island to get away.
You'll be lucky to come away from the car meeting with anything less that $2.5k in fines.
Me.....I fucken locked the car and got my friends parents to come pick us up. They wrote a ticket for low washer fluid and they didn't even test the car to make sure? I got my friends parents to write to the police saying they parked in a public carpark and left their car there overnight and why were they receiving the fine? They didn't want to do it so I typed it all for them and threatened the police with court action if they didn't dismiss the infringement within 28 days. The cops deleted by the fine end of story.I wanted to exposes their BS in the court system!
California Motor Vehicle Code does specify how many decibels at what distance regarding noise. This is not an "emissions" check requiring you to adjust your smog. If you have a loud, exhaust disturbing others with your noise you can get pulled over.
I left the state many years ago, but when I first moved there, I had a year-old pickup. Even though it passed smog with flying colors on par with vehicles with CA emissions packages and certainly better numbers that many long time CA registered vehicles, I got hit with a $300 penalty when I went to register with DMV. Reason given was my truck wasn’t manufactured to meet PRC emissions. I guess I was lucky I had over 12k miles on the odometer because I’d talked to others who moved with newer cars with less than 12k who went to register got hit with CA sales tax for “buying a car out of state” even though they weren’t a CA resident at the time even though they’d paid it in their previous home state. That was in the early 90s. I think perhaps it’s time for car enthusiasts and self defense rights supporters to combine their efforts and create a stronger political movement and vote with authority. I’d rather hear a Coyote’s musical exhaust than I would profanity from a loud car stereo. Though driving is a privilege in all 50 states, cars are still property. I recall one CA state police agency back in the 90s that once received the title, “misdemeanor cops in a felony world.” Sounds like the title has spread.
They tried that on me back when i was stationed in whidbey and drove up LA to see family what the lawyer told you isn't what i was told due to its been settled by the Supreme Court that as long as the car is legal in the state that it is registered no other state has the right to counter act that so i had a $25 fix it ticket the Court charged me but hey that was also 2018 now I'm in Florida and they really only care about how loud your music is
Yeah not the case now unfortunately
... So even Florida doesn't seem safe now. It's slowly morphing into the earlier stages of the CA policy, feels like the 2010-2016ish California. Starting with subwoofers then move onto aftermarket pipes
@zaccorpseman7366 that's true. Currently, I haven't had any problems (currently stationed in Florida), but I don't drive the charger too much anymore. My wife's car has waaaay better gas mileage and a shitty sound system
I'm fully building my Accord all the way out once I do a state smog. After that I'm leaving forever 😆, you got six years before you need to do a state smog again, I won't be here for even a whole ass year lmao.
Well even in my situation I’m not getting my car smogged. I know what I’m going to do with my car and going to keep that to myself for the time being. I’m out of state I don’t smog here in California. The only time I would ever need to smog is if I fix my car and have the state ref pass it. The car will get some quiet mufflers.
@@Hardwaretuned The whole ordeal with California and cars is a big fuck show, I'm just here for a little while, I'm gonna swap my motor but that's it, put a ktuner and a CAI and call it.
Cops don't know the laws because they're so complex and convoluted, so it's time for an attorney. IF what they claim is true, that means no one form out of state can enter Kalifornia with a vehicle that isn't 100% stock.
Attorney and judge said the same thing. I was found guilty of emmissions and fined
Thank you very helpful right on in regards to them wasting there time giving people who spend money on there car a hard time while criminals out there are robbing store left and right pretty soon there wouldn't be any store left they really need to do there job
We get tickets while Jay Leno drives 100 year old cars without insurance and plates
When he gets pulled over he probably asks "do you know who tf I am?"
I doubt Jay Leno does anything without insurance and he probably has a drawer full of temp plates.
What about your 14th amendment right? That ticket denies your right to travel.
(1) the right to enter one state and leave another (an inherent right with historical support from the Articles of Confederation),
(2) the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than a hostile stranger (protected by the "Privileges and Immunities" clause in Article IV, § 2),
I'm guessing your in the navy, that means you have no requirement to change the registration or your license due to duty assignment.
California is not a US state anymore.
That wouldn't work any better than the sovereign citizens that try to spout the same exact thing to drive without a license😂
You do have the right to travel, just not by driving a car on a highway lmao
Not so. He has a legally registered vehicle in his home state and also has a valid license. One is not anything like the other. CA can't decide to restrict people from other states travelling into or threw. It's one damn country.
@@Kdubz_Auto_HVAC
Articles of Confederation are not a legal document, but the bill of rights which the 14th amendment is. If someone takes this to court rather than roll over it will not pass legal muster and get thrown out. This isn't some nutty sovereign citizen crap, it's your rights. @@Kdubz_Auto_HVAC
Inwas found guilty on all charges for emmissions. No vehicle can enter this state unless it is 100% carb complient.
Just a heads up if they pull you over for being loud ask them if they took a decibel reading before pulling you over? The level is 95db for California
Law states cop just needs a reasonable suspicion the exhaust is loud.
@@Hardwaretuned well if your lawyer is worth anything he'll bring that up that the cop is being subjective and is not able to differentiate between 95db and 96db. Unless they have concrete testing to prove your car is more than 95db the judge should throw out the case.
@@patrickradcliffe3837 I was found guilty by the judge. Exhaust ticket was dismissed tho
@@Hardwaretuned duh, I forgot this is commiefornia where the judges never crack a law book and judicate with their "feelings"
I got a window tint and exhaust ticket in Virginia with a south carolina license and plates. The cop told me he sits at the state line and busts people for window tint from Tennessee all the time. Its douchy but its legal.
California car laws suck, we get tickets for literally anything. I’ve lived in Cali my whole life, definitely considering moving for some car freedom
Move to South Carolina. No inspections and you can do pretty much anything you want to your car😎
SC also has some decent mountain roads.
And dont vote blue to wherever you move to.
Tell him your car identifies as a Tesla!😁
Pardon my ignorance, what does Reffed mean?
It means you have to fix the issue and then go to a state "referee" to have the citation resolved.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that my economical 2001 Saturn (1.9L plastic 4-door) obeys the law in ALL FIFTY STATES. I think the laws were harmonized for 2001, but then Commiefornia tightened the emissions rules again in model year 2002.
Sorry to hear that got you like that. The Paxton should be CARB legal, so there shouldn't be an issue there, right? Can you just throw the stock exhaust back on, take it to the ref and then swap it back out? Also, it's weird that they'd claim a car would have to be CA compliant when it's not from here. That sounds like them just trying to BS you, but I'm not an attorney, so it might be true. I doubt they go around looking for out of state plates just to get them reffed, as nobody would ever come here, especially those from south of the border lol. Hope everything works out for you man. I'll be waiting for the update.
So it doesn’t work like that. first off i wont be bringing this to the state ref as it would require me to completely remove everything on the car to pass. That’s the California law. No one is bs anyone unfortunately. A stock exhaust wouldn’t help me pass the smog here.
@@Hardwaretuned damn, that really sucks man. Hope your attorney helps you get through this with minimal issues.
@@fgj8379 yeah for sure. I know exactly what I’m going to do but that I’ll keep to myself. I am changing the mufflers tho to something quieter.
Can you even do that? Wouldn't they say they can't certify an out of state car?
Thats going to suck for the people visiting with bone stock 1988 muatangs that werent sild originally in CA simce they arent maf equipped and up to CA standard.
Its such a stupid rule and its so stupid that CA will act as if theyre concerned about air quality but wont push for ethenol to be used
So I will say this was told to me but I have to see it I’m writing. Once I see the law on paper then I’ll fully believe that is the case. I do believe there is still some misinformation being passed around and I’m trying to find the best sources for that information without fishing through an entire book of state laws
I converted my 49 state '88 5.0 to Mass Air! I even hooked up the VSS and Fuel Pump Monitor.
i live in l a, there's muffler delete cars and trucks and motorcycles everywhere all the time. i've never heard of anybody getting pulled over
I guess I moved to Georgia just in time. When did all this state referring start going down?
Its been going on for years but now its being more enforced
If that’s an actual law its ridiculous but no way that’s actually the case that’s crazy
Yeah Commiefornia at its finest
Depends what county you live in. Some cities and counties suck in Ca. for built cars. And if you talk back they will get the one officer who knows all the laws and hammer you. There are a few guys that show up at cars and coffee that have cars registered outside Ca. to get around smog laws. I haven't heard any of them say this has happened to them. Funny they always go after cars that are loud but don't care about motorcycles that are twice as loud. If you drive a Mustang or a Charger/Challenger in my area you will get followed.
@@jgmoparyep it all depends on the county you live. I got a state ref in LA while pumping gas 😂 I stood as long as I can I was there for about an hour and a half but they wouldn’t leave so I just started the car and immediately 5 squad cars pulled up and 2 of them with their guns out. I left LA though I’m in Kern County now and have been pulled over with the same exact set up but they always just hit me with “stay safe”. So far 1 cop has mentioned the loud exhaust but all they said was get it fixed. I drive by the sheriffs station 4 times a day every single day and there’s ALWAYS a squad car there hiding but he has never pulled me over
@@skipbrainless7527 Yeah big difference between Kern county and Los Angeles county.
@@skipbrainless7527 ... Yeah..Just cause they call it a "California Law" doesn't mean it applies in the WHOLE State... Right ???? What an IDIOT !
Just stay out of California problem solved. They'll lose the tourist income
Did you get a CA lawyer or WA lawyer?
I I’m 52 and have not and never will travel to that wasteland of a state
Most of the cops here in CA don’t know shit about cars. They just hating when they see a nice car especially if it’s someone young driving it. Hurts their little ego 😂
Instead of busting criminals and violent offenders they go after people driving around?! Just sad and sick how bad the state is.
yes exactly
OK. I'm a Californian. I have been here a very long time. San Diego. I can tell you this: Everyday a flood of cars and trucks cross North from Mexico in to CA. They have little to NO emissions equipment. Too often belching over-rich mixtures from a.lack of maintenance or equipment. Sitting behind these vehicles in traffic makes your eyes burn and can give you a head ache. They NEVER get pulled over (for emissions). I had a chance once to speak off the record with a career CA Highway Patrol Officer (remember haters this is just one guy...) and asked about this issue. He told me if he pulls me over and issues a citation, there is a good chance I will show up on the court date and either pay the fine, fix the car or both. The implication was the other folks would not so what was the point(?). It still grinds on be to this day. How can CA leadership think that weather born emissions magically stop at state and country boarders? My state has lost all common sense.
anyone know what SEMA has to say?
Commiefornia
I had a civic with a lsvtec swap I was state reffed twice within a span of a year. NO B.S. each time I never had to change a damn thing on my ride I didnt even have to show up to court both Cases dismissed not sure if it will work now but it worked for me then . Ticket clinic hooked me up I think both times combined I spent under $450
Nazifornia, heard they are doing this with people that have stock vehicles from the dealership.
So sad that we have a state that persecutes people just because someone's offended by someone else's car or truck
There was a guy that was visiting California with tinted windows that was legal in his state but wasn’t in California: I think he got a ticket I don’t remember but the cop had told him to take it off
The giant aftermarket turbo was probably a dead giveaway.
It's a supercharger. A huge turbo would have saved me since u can't hear it.
I lived in CA for a few years and don't miss it. The laws and regulations there are insane and so are most of the people.
Waiting for them to charge me an oxygen tax for just breathing
Hope the Subaru driver reached out and thanked you.
He got lucky. Cops are looking for the easiest target
We should all sue the state of California for stopping our freedom of travel we are not free to travel in California without changing your car rights are God given and no laws shall infringe
Just because a cop told you that doesn't mean it's true. Did a judge tell you that or have you found it in writing on a government website?
If you're just visiting the state, why doesn't the Full Faith and Credit Clause from Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution apply?
what exactly does that say?
I'm not a car guy but this is crazy. California is one of the main birthplaces of the car culture, even the Beach Boys sung about it. And now they're doing this? WTF?
this was in my recommended the day after I got a ticket. I'm in California active duty can you believe I got pulled over by military police for tint and no front license plate lol
They just bored and have nothing else better to do
Welcome to the "Gotcha" state. They've been doing this to gun owners for years. Federal law allows people to purchase firearms in states adjoining their home state as long as they comply with all federal laws and the laws of the state where the sale takes place. California allows people to bring their personal firearms into the state with them as long as they are types legal to possess in California. However, a California resident purchasing a firearm out of state and bringing it home is committing a felony. They actually send police to check plates at out of state gun shows to create a hot list of cars to stop and search if they spot them on the return trip. Meanwhile, dopers shooting up on the sidewalk are not an enforcement priority. I moved to the Philippines. A well run third world country is a *HUGE* improvement.
I bought a car from a Marine I was Army. CA MADE me pay a surcharge when I registered the car because it came from out of state. It cost me about $625 extra a few years later CA had to pay me $960
because it was declared unconstitutional. CA. can pass all the laws they want but they are not call legal.