Does Fork Stanchion Diameter Matter?
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2023
- Often riders tell Anna Chipullo that as a light rider, she should be on a lighter fork and that a 38mm stanchion is way too stiff for her.. and a bigger rider is expected to find the limits of a smaller fork? So this got Anna thinking, do we need to be sizing up or down depending on rider weight? And how do we know if we are too light or heavy to be on a certain fork?
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Wow they feature the fork suntour is so underrated mostly suntour use only in Asia we Philippines use suntour bec of the price and decent performance we cant afford always fox or Rockshox in western mostly fox and rockshox and ohlins
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@@Calispeedboi i see, i find suntour is not use always in western country, like in Asia is usually used bec of its good value and also the performance is decent not like fox we cant afford
I didn't even know Suntour was still in business. My 40 year old Univega road bike (Made in Japan) has such and operates perfectly.
Yeah it was nice to see. I hopped on a suntour a few years back and it was definitely a decent fork. I’d have to ride it for a while to get a really good idea.
Pidcock won the Olympics on a suntour fork.
This is why I like GMBN. You present really diverse content not only most popular brands. I really like Sr Suntour. These three look phenomenal. I personally have 32 Raidon 120mm on my XC bike and it is noticeably more flex than rock shox 35 150mm gold on my Trail.
Hi! Thanks so much for the support! We really appreciate it! You can really feel the difference when going between bikes with different stanchion diameters.
Agressive 72-75kg rider on a RockShox Pike Select (35mm stanchion) in my 140mm trail bike. Good enough for bike park jumping and technical descents. Light enough for XC riding and multi-day off-road bikepacking.
Sounds perfect! 👊 140mm travel is so ideal for a bit of everything!
@@gmbntech Right on! That's what's in my Canyon Stoic. I also got a 160mm Fox 36 Factory in my Canyon Spectral, but that is overkill for average trail riding. More of an Enduro monster.
Suntours are so underrated. Ive ridden many of them and they are great. Have one on my bike right now, cant recommend enough
They do make some great forks but they also make very common entry forks and it gives them a rep of being a low end fork brand. Just poor marketing IMO.
@@RedDaemon69420 the stuff they supply to oem's is also fragile AF. I managed to pop out the lockout mechanism on my last set (that i replaced with a set of rockshox recon's) just by landing a 2ft high pump bombing down the street.
@@RedDaemon69420 I also believe it's because not everyone is a fan of their q-loc axle design.
Agree
They also make utter shit forks, so they deserve their rep.
I believe this is only the 2nd time I’ve heard Suntour mentioned on this channel.
My bike is an old 2016 Merida Big 9, 3 x 9 hardtail with a Suntour 100mm fork.
I’m happy still with the front suspension, and don’t feel the compulsion to change it to a Fox or Rockshox unit.
Yet, I’m happy to see Suntour got a mention again!
My hard tail has a 32mm / 120mm travel Raidon. Huge improvement over the stock XCM, that was warranty replaced with this Raidon with black stanchions. The 34mm forks can be adjusted from 120 to 150mm travel, the 32 only 100 -120.
I like the manufacturers approach of progressively making the forks wider depending on the travel. When spec travel overlaps between models, you can decide which one to get depending on your weight and riding style.
When someone talks about lice everyone starts to scratch their heads. When you talk about fork flex, I start feeling the flex and wondering if I should get a wider fork!
Thanks for featuring the SR Suntour company.it's hard to find any sr suntour comparison video,bcz most videos are about fox & rockshox.But in Asian region, we mainly prefer sr suntour as a way to go.
Finally seeing suntour beside fox-rockshox.
Funny that they started on a 35mm. I would assume that would be stiff enough for most riders. Rockshox used their 35 in nearly every model. My 2021 Stumpy came with a Fox 34 and when I upgraded it to a Lyrik Ultimate it was like a night and day difference in rigidity.
And here I am on an old school 30 mm stanchion fork (previously 28 mm).
Would have been cool to see some 32 mm stanchion forks included in this video.
Hey! Yeah, we'd love to make a follow-up video to this with forks that have a smaller stanchion diameter (XC options). For this video, we primarily focused on trail and enduro fork options.
Old school is best.
I had 28, 32, 35, 36, 37. My first fork was a SR and it was basically a rigid fork. The Fox 36 was a really cool plushy fork. My best fork is propably the 37 dorado, but it's made for downhill. You can have some pretty good interval trainings on uphill sections...
I’ve ridden every Fox model from SC 32- 38. it is so awesome to have options tailored to exactly how an individual rides. Currently run a 36 x 160 on my Hardtail, which I use as a basher and all-around trail bike. I run a 38 x 1 70 on my squishy. I had the 36 x 160 on it, and noticed a lot of flex landing big jumps. As a 200+ pound aggressive rider who likes jumping and park riding, the 38 gives me the stiffness I want when I’m pushing the bike extremely hard. But if I were looking for a lighter use all around trail bike, I would not hesitate to run a SC34 x 120. I was able to take second place in Hardtail category Enduro with that fork three years ago.
I'm 6'3"/190lbs and my bike came with 34mm x fusion fork and I upgraded to a fox 36. Even that was a noticeable weight difference. Way better fork all around but I don't think I would go 38mm except for a real large travel bike.
Hey Dylan! That's interesting! It's crazy how much of a difference a bigger stanchion diameter makes to the feel of a bike. Thanks for watching! 👍
My daughter (10 years old, 90lbs) is running a Fox factory 38 on her Transition Spire and it performs beautifully for her! We ride mostly North Shore tech and Whistler bike park. The initial breakaway is the only part that feels sticky, especially after the bike has been sitting for a few days, but otherwise the fork is buttery smooth and plush with 25psi in the air cartridge.
Flashback to my first ever suspension forks, good ole duo tracks
I came from a 27.5 34mm Fox to a 29er 38mm fox and the difference is phenomenal. I didn’t expect it but the 38mm is some much stiffer and planted and when you hit stuff off line it stays straighter and doesn’t get jittery
The fox 38 is an AMAZING fork!
personnaly i thinks every fork has is intended purpose like you said and in the same time every fork has it limit. In my case i was running a RS Rekon on my trek with 140 mm of travel and my problem was not the stiffness or travel, it was the damper i had to service every 2-4 week because it was an open damper, So i upgraded to a RS Pike (going from 34 mm to 35 mm stanchion and from 140 mm to 150 mm travel) The RS Pike is lighter and a bit stiffer but now the damper is more suitable to my riding style (trail-enduro). I you buy a bigger fork in any case it help for the stiffness but if you choose the wrong damper for your riding style it might not make that much of a difference other than be heavier. The right package for the rider is always the good one, but in those modern days it is hard to choose when it is the time to upgrade.
have a good ride!
Let's be honest. Size does matter. Especially girth 😂
I used to trail ride on 151mm and 180mm travel Boxxer forks, so I'm familiar with riding a much stiffer fork. However, I currently run a 35mm stanchion 160mm travel fork (Cane Creek Helm) on my enduro bike and I have not felt under-forked for how I ride it, which is mostly at bike parks in the northeast US. While I'm not the lightest rider, I seem have a light riding style and have historically been easy on components. I've thought about getting a stiffer fork, but so far I'm happy with what I have.
Would be good to see a similar video comparing rake. I'm considering going from RS 35 silver to RS 35 Gold debonair however they are a backwards step in terms of rake, silvers on the bike are 44mm, new ones I found are 51mm. Would it still be an improvement due to weight and damping?
Anna, given that you're sessioning it down Sheepskull & Ski Run, I have found the difference between my 180 Lyrik RCT2 and 180 Zeb Ultimate on my Nukeproof Giga quite noticeable. That being said I'm 95kg and quite stocky in the upper body and I've found that if you point it down the steeper natural trails at FoD (you know the ones), I just find the steering more direct on the Zeb, whilst the Lyrik felt more compliant and perhaps offered more feedback.
I find with the Zebs, if you're very front endy and can force the bike to lean or load the front, it would take anything in its stirde and track a good line. Both will do the job nicely, but I just get that feeling that an 8ft huck to flat on the Quarry Roll at Nun's Chuff/Cliffhanger is more tolerable on the 38mm chassis.
Back in the mid 90's when I was getting into mountain biking SR Suntour was always the cheap option. Suntour was mostly seen on the budget mountain bikes at sporting goods stores. They've come a long way. I had absolutely no idea that there were different diameter fork stanchens. Thanks.
What Ergon saddles you are using in your bike/videos like in here?
Heavy rider here , 35mm pike and 36 fox for trail and enduro bikes ...
Sounds like a good setup!
Stanchion wall thickness is as important as diameter but they never mention it, and how much material is on the steer tube to crown, lots of things to consider if you're on the same damper. Motorcycles talk more about wall thickness then just how big yerr tubes are (indicating shr3d ability of course)
Currently on a Marzzochi Bomber Z1 at 170mm of travel on a 2022 Slayer. I weight 160 pounds and I find the fork is great for my uses. Though I did ride a Rock Shox Domain on the same bike (it's what it came with stock) the front end was alot stiffer and stable. Eventually I would actually like to upgrade to the Durolux 38 for the same bike and same travel. But that will be in while... the marzo is doing just fine! Great the to see SR Suntour though, really solid fork line from them.😊
Excelent advertising for SunTour. I wish they were more available in my country, Ecuador.
I was using a 150mm 27.5 Fox 34 until recently which I found quite adequate. Upgraded to 160mm DVO Diamond D1 (35mm stanchions) and I must admit, its way more of a difference than I ever expected. At my 75ish kg I never thought I would experience much flex with the Fox 34 but I was wrong. The DVO is so much stiffer especially under heavy braking. Bike feels way more planted and controlled. OK, to be fair the DVO is a good 300g heavier but I´ll take that tradeoff in a heartbeat. Also the damper on the DVO feels much better. I´m not going back.
Hi good afternoon. Please make video of how you set up your suntour fork. Thank you
I absolutely could not find any reviews about the Auron, heck even Suntour's website doesn't feature it. However this video convinced me to get one.
Sometimes, it feels like suntour don't get the reputation they deserve. They make good stuff
I believe internals and overall design is what matters. If the shock isn't reliable, I would not want to keep that.
actually like suntour air forks , i ride mostly xc and 32 works perfect for my riding on hardtail , dont have need for beefy long travel suspension ..
same here, maybe when I have more skills but I'm a 56kg/185cm male which is weird I know
Went from a Fox 34 to Fox 38 and the difference is incredible. 6'02"/195 so the weight is no problem, but the stability is so incredible it would be worth it anyway. As far as the weight difference between their test forks, I'd bet the increase in weight is actually more attributable to the extra travel than to the diameter. Both add weight, but adding 20-30 mil of fork leg has to be more than an extra 1-3 mil of diameter.
Nice video. I like this back to back testing. Keep going.
Thank you, will do! 👍
Same wall thicknesses?
Stanchion width makes little difference if it's a single crown fork...as it's the crown that makes the difference!
I found this interesting. I would imagine that a lighter rider can get away with a smaller stanchion, but maybe not. Does the same apply to tyres. ie. Can a lighter rider get away with a lighter tyre? If a rider is light, can they get away with a less stiff side wall because the tyre is not under as much stress than it would be with a much heavier rider? Love to see a video exploring that. Keep up the good content. I love the back to back testing and learning more!!
Really has nothing to do with rider weight. Depends on where you ride and how you ride if you're doing drops and big jumps you would require bigger stiffer stanchions in order to absorb and dissipate the impact energy
Yes a lighter rider, that rides the same terrain, and features, can run lighter, tires, wheels, frames, stansions, and lower tire pressure, because there is less weight behind the force, inflicted on the materiel, ergo heavy riders smash more equipment, then lighter riders, on the same ride…..
I'm on an oldschool rs tora sl coil fork, I've done some small 60-70cm drops (skatepark style) and it's been fine. I've bombed down a lot of stairs, some the other way around and I never felt like I needed more. But I'm 185cm/56kg so I wouldn't kill modern bikes that fast. Cheap old bikes from the nineties is different, just a few bunnyhops and the wheel is fu**ed.
Maybe I'm just lucky. I will upgrade to something modern and beefy someday when I have more skills...and actual protective gear. I'm not sure the bike is gonna like 1m drops on the back wheel but I do have tannus armour installed there
As a light rider I can really feel the extra unsprung mass of big forks. Sometimes they fell dead and heavy to respond to bumps.
100%! It's crazy how stanchion diameter affects your riding. The heavier you are, the more you'll take advantage of a wider stanchion.
Although not necessarily needed everyone prefers more girth. 🥺😫🥴😊😍
Instead of paying for this type of promotion, SR Suntour should work on easy ways for consumers to get hold of their products otherwise the advertising is a waste. So few places stock these products,. especially here in Australia.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think bigger is better, a bigger diameter fork will be stiffer, will give you more precise control due to less flex but will also be less comfortable due to more vibration being transmitted ( less compliance) to your hands. Because of this I've been thinking of "downgrading" from 160 Rockshox Zeb Ultimate to a Lyrik 160 Ultimate.
Don’t get the smaller stanchion being more comfortable argument.
@@krzysiu4003 I think big stanchions are for heavier guys and racers, but for average rider who rides bikepark and not like worldcup tracks they don't need the extra stiffness that much
never seen it this way! interesting
I'm pretty happy with my 35mm stanchioned Lyrik but surely smaller means more binding and less sensitivity making them less comfortable.
Actually that is incorrect a bigger stanchion will absorb more energy oscillations and vibrations and dissipate them more efficiently. The reason why you perceive it to be stiffer is because it's not properly set up
28mm RS SID was the only fork in my experience with stiffness issues.
I’m 6’2.5” and 290 pounds. I make a 32mm rockshox recon feel like a wet noodle when things get rough. 35 mm rockshox 35 is mostly doable but not very confident for me. The 38mm Zeb is the only fork I’ve road that actually feels good at my body weight.
Are Suntours higher end forks any good? They make some really crappy entry level forks (seem cheaper than Rockshox) but do they know what they're doing for higher end units?
High end Suntour are excellent forks and by all accounts the easiest to service too!
I have tried a high end suntour fork. It was better than their low end forks but not as good as rockshox or fox.
I have a bike with a recon fork, in one of your videos. You had said that it was a good fork. The stanchion are 32mm and are made of steel compared to the alloy of the More expensive forks. Figure that might help to stiffen the ride. But I just like to ride, so with my limited budget, I'd rather use my money to travel to different area's to ride. Someone told me that me being a larger person, I should be riding with larger diameter stanchions. But it would seem that the company's who put out the bike's, should know that XL and XXL frame's are going to be ridden by bigger people. So why didn't they spec them with a rockshox 35. Same as the recon, only with larger stanchions.
I have a height of 190, weight 73kg. Updated from 36 grip2 to 38 grip2, to be honest 38 seemed very tough, probably for amateurs and such an easy guy like me, this is already too much. If you are light and do not pretend to be on the podium, then take 36.
SR Suntour need refill on liquid oil before riding ❤its a very good forks
Of course , I still ride my old beloved Totem with 40 mm and its a killer!
Are you really saying Anna that people are genuinely telling you you should be on a lighter fork or was this a script created just for this topic. Genuinely interested if people are actually saying that to you
Yes, it’s genuine! It’s a common misconception that bigger forks are for bigger people and faster racers. Personally, I love 38s for racing enduro 👍
Pick the right tool for the job 😁
Just got a set of fox factory 36 and am waiting for a few more bits and pieces before I swap them in. One being this snow melting whoops getting some more this week. They are the E optimized 140 versions I know I know dang e-bike riders! I think most riders will find the sweet spot to be between 34-36 regardless of whether it's a E or not. Of course, those riding xc or really light may want 32 on that end of the scale and those riding downhill or heavy riders might run 40 on the other end of scale. The answer is yes, it's a factor but one may find themselves leaning a little one way or the other.
More for sr suntour
Anna question if I may? My bike was set up with 180 disc rotors in the front and 160 in the rear what do you think is better? Larger in rear and smaller in front?
Thank you
Larger in front
Same size. Front for more bite, rear to help with heat dissipation as we tend to drag it more when descending.
@@bjornfongern4850that right there is some serious misinformation. Rotors absorb and dissipate heat and energy both the front and the back. And if you're dragging your rear brake and not using both break slightly then you're also using the brakes incorrectly as they were designed for. 🤦♂️
@@rider65 Well, Enduro-mtb seems to agree with me: "If you hit the brakes before going into a corner, you’re guaranteed to have upwards of 70% braking force at the front and a maximum of 30% at the rear. However, the decisive factor that leads to an overheated rotor is not those short, hard braking manoeuvres, but what you do throughout the descent. While engine braking on a motorcycle slows down the rear wheel as you let go of the throttle, the only thing keeping your speed in check while you descend on a mountain bike is the brakes. That means they have to dissipate a lot of energy in the form of heat. Usually, we use the rear brake to maintain our speed, because that way the front wheel remains easy to control and is able to generate the most cornering grip. Unless you want to do a stoppie to lift your rear wheel around a switchback, you wouldn’t normally want to lock up your front wheel. The constant friction at the rear results in significantly higher temperatures, which leads to fade and ultimately to overheated brakes and discoloured rotors. " Fun fact: Troy Brosnan uses a 200mm front and 220mm rear rotor on his downhill bike for the same reason. To help with heat dissipation.
@@rider65 dragging the rear brake without touching the front in certain situations is not using the brakes Incorrectly
I don't get along with 38s not so much my weight but the weight of forks is noticeable RS35 and Fox36 is plenty for me
Ride what you want it's your bike.
God I hope Suntour doesn't skyrocket their prices after this video 😬😬
This is such an easy test to have done blind to what for you were using. I'd find the results of a blind test far more convincing of whatever the outcome was.
Yes, this should have been a double blind test, I know from being in the audiophile game that sometimes people think they hear an improvement when they think they're listening to a more expensive product.
Nice chat.. but really dint feel like you put the "tech" in a tech talk, just opining about. Also, these really just feel like a commercial for SR Suntour, which is fine, but maybe call it that instead of a "Tech" show. Great informercial though!
I think riding style has a bigger influence on stanchion size than rider weight. Also depends on how old the fork is, my 35mm 2021 lyric is noticeably stiffer than my old 2012 fox 36 van r. Both forks are 180mm travel.
Incorrect. I really wish for mountain bike riders would understand the technical side. Scalia pan dirt bike and Motocross Enduro riding. A wider tube can absorb anticipate more energy. It's simple physics has nothing to do with riding style if we're talkin about stanchion size. If you want to talk about does an average Rider need 38 or 40 mm stanchions and no.
Does Play Sports Network only employ people called Conor if they're over 2m tall?
Please ride a Fox 32 SC Vs a Fox 34 SC... Are you on the wrong fork...
Dang, I just got a bite of my Cadbury....
The thinner is is the weaker it is that’s what I go by
Connor aka The Corey Taylor Neck
I'm 5'11 and around 200 pounds, and during high speeds, the front end of my bike, fitted with my Suntour XCR32, feels nervous and twitchy at high speeds, especially through dirt and mud. I think the stanchion width did play a role, but also the head tube angle also, which is 69 degrees.
That fork will always feel that way. I’m the same size and had that fork on my Trek Marlin. There is no adjustability. I bottomed it out on everything. Moving to an air sprung makes a huge difference, but it may be more advantageous to move to a bike that has one and better geo for what you ride when you’re ready
That fork is super basic/ cheap and so is the bike your riding. Get a new bike bro.
@@tracymcmanus550 Yeah man, I'm already ready to move onto to a much better more modern MTB. Don't get me wrong, I *love* my bike, and it's capable of getting through some rough stuff, but I want something that I know is gonna keep up with the pace that cycling technology is going right now. I'm looking at the Polygon Siskiu's or a Specialized Status or Stumpjumper. Right now I"m unemployed but working odd jobs and contractor temporary labor, so I can't save up now. But when I do start to save up, it's gonna be for one of those models of MTB. I can't buy a super expensive Yeti or some thing like that. I gotta budget.
@@tracymcmanus550 And about the XCR32, it's just not the kind of fork that can take on jumps and red or black trails. There is adjustability (for me, anyway), it's just not a lot and it's basic. It's for easy to moderate XC trails and small hops. Nothing too heavy. I understand what I bought and where I can take my bike here in Southeastern Michigan, so I modded my whole bike to suit moderate difficulty trails and aggressive city riding
O dear can you imagine showing up at the bike park with them 🤣
I plan on it.
Nice suntour advert.
It's literally a sponsored video from suntour 🤣
@Jack Dempsey they also tell you, that a fork with larger diameter stanchions is stiffer, but heavier. Invaluable.
Bigger people probably better off going for a triple crown for the stiffness
200lb rider 38s Light Sender 38 Everyone Else 36s 😎
Such a superficial test, there’s way more to it than outer stanchion diameter. The wall thickness, bushing overlap, and overlap between the crown and both the steerer and the stanchions also has an impact on the overall stiffness of a fork. It’s also worth pointing out that stiffer is not always better, and sometimes compliance is your friend, provided said compliance doesn’t result in binding. This was also not a test, for that it would have to have been properly blind with no way of knowing what forks were being ridden, otherwise they are just repeating what they already thought before the test. Also why do this on a hard tail?!? Surely conduct this test on a full sus bike so you can push harder and this put more force through the forks to find their limits more easily!
Big stanchion = big ego boost at the parking lot. Unless you are Brandon Semenuk with a 32mm. I don't think you can get the attention you want at the parking lot. Remember there's a time people riding trail with dual-crown fork. Dude is like rampage level rider regardless of his speed and skill.
I ride Suntour and after looking at your scratched fork video I will always lean towards Steel stanchions.
Fork stanchion size has nothing to do with rider weight, with regard to the fork itself. It's physics. A bigger tube stanchion will absorb and dissipate the impact and energy forces much more efficiently. A bigger tube stanchion will not flex as easily as a smaller tube on drops and big jumps. It will be noticeably less harsh as well, with regard to harmonic vibrations and oscillations. For typical XC riding 32 or 34 is more than adequate. But for all Mountain Enduro and downhill you need bigger tube stanchions. It's really not that difficult to understand oh my goodness...🤔🤦♂️
If it’s that easy to understand/explain then make a quick video about it
Smaller diameter forks will flex more. Flex is good, it provides shock absorption but it does it at the expense of handling. Its just like travel length, manufacturers will always be trying to find that happy medium.
What's that rainbow colored sticker?
Hi GMBN Tech!
Ew, grey
Good old GMBN giving you answers to questions you don't need to ask 🤔
I think the fact that people used to do 30ft drops on 32mm stanchion forks with QR hubs just shows it really does not matter what size stanchions you have 🤦♂️
Also the bigger the stanchion diameter the bigger the seals = more friction
A bit off-topic, but, I've noticed recently across the GMBN channels the music choices have been much better and suited to the footage. 🙄👍
So, how's this relevant to _the rest of us?_ I mean I get it - I get that _GMBN's_ (and _GCN's)_ content is geared towards the wealthy country club ilk - dentists, stock brokers, fund managers, metal scrap dealers - but the average mountain biker on a budget probably wouldn't be wanting to spend upwards of $/€/£1,000 on a fork. It's great that there are hundreds - maybe even thousands - of other channels out there that cater to the masses of mountain bikers who just want to be able to have a good time within their means.
me on 32s 🗿
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bigger is bettet
Any Sr Suntour fork .....is the wrong fork 🤦🏻♂️😆😆😆😆
Not true. SR Suntour obviously has some good stuff, otherwise they wouldn’t have any pros riding their stuff.
@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 ever owned anything Suntour ? works alright for a bit then breaks no serviceable parts no spares no support what so ever .
Bro if the fork is good enough for pros and people winning the Mega avalanche with, then it’s MORE then good enough for you!💯
@Throbinwood of cowley The big difference is pros get support and are paid to endorse a product to give the impression if its good enough for pros its goid enough for you .Suntour customers however do not . Suntour is the largest fork manufacturer in the world, but its all dog shit with no support for customers .
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What with the imperial measures? Aren’t you British?
Who cares about suntour???
Mega Avalanche cares about Sun Tour.
Why Suntour 🤮🤮
I had a 32mm and, now I have, a 35mm not much of a difference between these but maybe mental confidence 😢 on hit 😂😊
I miss Doddy being the tech pro.
yea we all want doddy back
Suntour really need to improve the visual side of their products. They look shit! It’s like a prototype where the actual colors and graphics haven’t been decided on, or worse still it reminds me of the supermarket mtb forks.
they need alot of work to compete with other brands especially weight
Sr suntour ® pls hook me up fam