How Tom Dwan Accidentally Found Out He Was Being Cheated (Macau Poker)
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Tom Dwan stories have been the best thing to come out of this whole situation!
facts
My stories must been the best ever too.
Once I walked in too a bar at the same moment with Tom Dwan.
He said hey you want a beer? I said .. I think you are bluffing.
He said that's right I aint giving you sh**.
Watching this video, seeing how in tune with all the scams that are out there that dwan is, something struck me. When he played the biggest pot in history 3.1 million vs Wesley he didn't let his cards get read on the reader until Wesley went all in on the river, once Wesley went all in he put his cards on the reader to show QQ. Then called.
Tom's on a different level man
Yeah and he was involved in that Full Tilt poker con.
bro you are rewriting history.....the readers were down on that hand w Wesley
@@GreatNewsVideo only tom's reader for that hand was down?? cause it worked all the other hands...
Wrong. Hes been cheated many times and has no clue.
@@ayo9057are you dwight from office lol
Thats so crazy what Tom said about the places he’s been where he can’t say anything… it’s the stories he’ll never tell that must be truly unbelievable
Tom has seen/lived some shaaaady stuff haha
"They had a small game, a 100-200".
🤣😅😢😥😓
Could have meant small, as in amount of players.
@@element5092 thats not what he meant dude...
@@element5092 bro we talkin Tom Dwan Durrrr 🤣 the guy who threw bluffs from over the price of a house.
Ofcourse small is 100 to 200 blinds for him.
He plays highstake games in some crazy lobbies
@@element5092 how can you be this clueless? He said small and gave context of the stakes. Ffs learn to read
I saw this live.
It's great to hear these stories.
Me too, could listen all night. Definitely an authority in the game.
@@billyd5301 Yeah bro! Tom Dwan!
Robbi wasn’t sober, misread her hand, then impulsively decided to pretend she made an incredible call.
Me at 2am: hmm lets hear some dwan histories, why not
Readers of your post - we truly don't care this isn't about you we didn't come hear to find out about what you do, read, or watch
@@slowery43 really n
do you know the wsop music before the game start?
I’m confused. How do you just cut and paste someone else’s content and put your name on it?
Karen
Go try it, you don’t get paid from it. So shut up
Welcome to CZcams
@@sjbr2567 nah.
Joey turning into a little kid at a fire listening to scary stories at camp as durrrr starts talking more
What a conundrum…..a game can never be secure when you reveal your hole cards…..but then you have a horrible game to watch televised. When cash is involved there will always be cheaters.
Besides her story changing multiple times, another thing that caught my attention was when she asked Garrett "do you want me to call you," you can hear someone say "I'm guessing no." She then calls immediately after that. That's horrible table etiquette and everything about her actions and what she tried saying for why she called is just one lie after another. In my opinion, she made herself look guilty as hell
Poor etiquette yes, but not cheating. You can be impolite, rude, unethical and still not cheat. She still made her own decision ultimately and potentially gathered a live tell from his reaction to the question.
Also, bad players win sometimes... the game is poker. Good players are not entitled to win every bloody hand.
If she had lost both runs outs, nobody would remember this hand... the result clearly clouded over rational judgement. Garrett is clearly just an ego maniac and couldn't handle being beat by an inferior player.
@@onlyweatherlol93 I understand that.. The biggest issue for me was how she couldn't explain the reason for the call. She changed her story several times. But i know they investigated everything about this issue and concluded there was no wrong doing, so I'll trust their word on that
@byrontaft2018 Maybe she is just a bad player and made a sub-optimal decision? There are loads of bad players who win hands and can't rationally explain their choices. However, it is one player per hand, and they are free to play as they wish. The game of poker does not require them to justify everything they do.
Asking if he wants her to call is not bad etiquette, it's common place and digging for a reaction , just what pros do all the time.@@onlyweatherlol93
There’s no indisputable evidence that she cheated but there’s a ton of coincidental evidence that points towards it that it goes beyond suspicious. I’m tired of people saying she just made a bad call. That goes way beyond a bad play. Who calls a shove with jack high? She doesn’t even have a bluff catcher.
Never underestimate the other guys greed.
1 year later; They blamed Garrett, and she suddenly disappeared into small cash games.
The same day she allegedly cheated; an employee 'stole' a chip of hers, many think it was his payment for signaling her. HCL says "No cheating."
Imagine if they had the foresight to realize that if they revealed the truth instead of downplaying it; they'd get more support from their fanbase. As it is; i don't think anyone trusts them; and now Luda is suddenly getting massaged up into a win streak if you know what I'm saying.
Imagine how long this could of been going on with a good player.
Rui’s 78 all-in river folding Tom’s 27 on legend poker is hilarious.
Rui definitely cheating.
So after the ‘great forensic Joeys ‘ investigation… what did you come up with ??? Anything ?
Don’t play around in Macau casino. 100 little dudes with machete can be assembled in 5 minutes
I love the line- 'it was a small game, 200/400'
It was 100 - 200 (Euros).
100 Euro ='s Oct 29, 11:17 AM UTC ·
99.65 United States Dollar Still a LOT of Fk'n $$ that's $100/$200 Game!! Use
Yeaaaah Some of these Guys Loose Track of Reality. i Win $5k in a Week that's a GREAT Week in this game u Need $20k just to Sit with 2 Rebuys that's at least $60 for 1 Session!!
@@david_cop_a_feel7538 He's likely translating it into his own currency.
@@matthewwestcott9138 no it’s almost at par with you the $ now
@@andrewdoctor6584 He's not necessarily American. There's more than 2 currencies. Canadian, Australian, NZ dollars etc.
Eric did this on WPT against Phil.
where there any investigations yet?
So this is Evil Dwan interviewing Good Dwan?
HCL already terminated Bryan, who gave the signal to Robbi/Rip, and they cannot make him talk to them now and have no legal means to do so. By now, whatever devices they used to signal, such as burner phones to send a blank message to vibrate, have long been disposed of. The HCL stream has been compromised.
allegedly
@@martinworld7214 but also, really
@@martinworld7214 What do you mean allegdly ? You can literally see the vibrations
Who’s Bryan?
@@geniousboy510 The guy in the control room.
If I had the chance to meet any player I would choose Dwan just for the stories...
Did he just say ''there was a small game at 100/200 EUR''??? XDD
A small game like 100 - 200 Euros.
Isn't this a copyright violation
I don't think she meant it when she said she misread her hand I never have but that doesn't mean he cheated; at that point it was getting upsetting with how others were acting.
The math needs are never gonna understand reading a person's possible bluff based on what he's done before and gambling because they want it to make sense the way *theyy play, .
The problem is that you can't prove a negative - which means you can't prove she didn't cheat. You can only prove a positive - which means you can prove she did cheat. Proving she did cheat would require evidence. But, if you think she didn't cheat, you can only speculate, no evidence can come to light that proves she didn't cheat. Where evidence could come to light, if she did cheat, that proves she cheated. So, we're stuck with that conundrum.
A caveat is that people lie. So, any evidence would have to be objective. If you think she didn't cheat, you have no objective evidence and that evidence is not coming. If you think she did cheat, there is no evidence "YET", that evidence has not yet been found, it may or may not exist.
The time for a way to know for sure has passed. They should have isolated her immediately after the fact and had a trusted female or two go into a room with her and had her disrobe and her clothes and body searched. I realize there's problems with that ... but it "was" the only way.
and Occam's razor
Not sure if you're a player, but here's the interesting part...
Even IF she KNEW Garrett's cards, you DON'T call; She was 47% to his 53%. Not like she had him crushed.
Do people actually think the dealer was in on it w a stacked deck?? lol
@@delg1211 may be she only knew ahead/behind. And her and her accomplice were too novice to realize this might not be the right time. I wouldn't assume she knew his exact holding if she did cheat. But it looks like she didn't cheat to me after watching her on Ingrams podcast. Still, there's no way to tell for sure.
@@32266ms You wrote, “may be she only knew ahead/behind”, yup, maybe that’s all she knew, then she would have known she’s behind :)
I agree, all we can do is speculate, which is why I believe the biggest tell (and explanation to it all) is her reaction when she turns Her cards over.
Looong story you may hv seen explained already by longtime players that explains all the misunderstandings (like ppl who think she was reading and not just “staring” at her hand 🤦🏻).
And the logical conclusion is that she didn’t cheat, she just misread her hand.
(Which ties with one of her quick honest answers in the moment, “i put you on Ace high”. You don’t call A high with J high, she thought she had a 3 (which was prob stuck in her head from Previous hand where she did) So when she turned over a 4 she was SHOCKED
@@delg1211 Bro, if she didn't know his cards, how would she know she's behind? Schmuck in the back room could see she's ahead ... he doesn't care about percentages - Jack high is good - he sees dollar signs in commission - signal her she's currently ahead. I'm not saying that's what happened but at least it includes logic.
And I don't think she was shocked when she saw no 3. I think she was trying to figure out what happened. She knew she didn't have a 3 - she checked her cards many times.
But it does look like "to me" that she did NOT cheat. She's just inexperienced and went with her gut.
Judging by the comments is he spilling beans on Triad activity ? Lol
gotta watch at 1.25 he goes on on and on
crisp audio
Does Tom have to pay the Triads back for all of his hotel rooms, flights and living expenses over the years or is it all comped by Paul Phua?
Toms going to vanish again.
How come
Lol
@@EastonsCZcams out of touch
@@vectormedianews He's going to vanish because he's out of touch? What sense does that make?
Lol😂
Lame af to clip out "content" from Joey but props for atleast linking
“And ahh, whatever” it sure is difficult to listen to Tom tell a story.
In between all the … ‘what the fucks’
Tom seems like he takes adderall or coke only off the felt 😂
There was some shady stuff going on at a small casino here in ONTARIO where the staff were in on the shite. I never said anything, but it was so how do i say, extreme to the point of not caring if someone spoke up. That it was better to just pay attention to who was dealing when certain individuals were at tables. Ive been playing for over 40 years and i know when something is up. You can feel it and you always listen to your guts when they say hild on. Peace 😎 ✌️.
Long don't you see Eric in the background signaling her.
Total mumbo jumbo speculation, by innuendo he links her to cheating. She lied, so therfore she cheated. She made a dumb poker play, but in poker nothing is 100% predictable . Garrett defamed her by claiming she cheated, the casino found nothing. The guy kept the money.
You don't have to memorize the truth it just flows , that's why Robbi goes on the softest podcast to talk over anyone asking her questions so she can get angry change the topic and say they are attacking her and she a woman, instead on being relaxed and confident because she knows she's innocent, strange.
Being aggressive and defensive about your innocence is also a sign of being innocent. It’s not as black and white as you think.
He is not a wordsmith.
He's a wild boy. You have to be out your damn mind to play high stakes games in Russia.
🤣🤣 No doubt.
Montenegro is not even close to Russia. It's country in Balkans
Nice western geography skills there
@@acivoj86 lol! Settle down genius. Tom has spoken previously at length about playing high stakes in Russia and seeing people get cheated. And that he can't talk about it because it was very dangerous people conducting the cheating.
@@ricflair8907 🤦
good talk😀
Where’s the proof?? I got it!
And....... and........ and.........
One thing I can say is never underestimate how nonsensical a fish can play. This hand brings to mind a spot where I was called by a guy with bottom pair on an ace-high board. I triple barreled and got called for stacks on the River. His explanation was “I thought you had a weak ace”.
Probably a dumb play on my part against a total drooled station, but it just goes to show you that it really isn’t that suspicious her changing her story. Serious fish really have no coherent thoughts going on in their heads.
Very true
She plays a lot though, she’s not a fish
@@rolandtomassi3486 lol have you ever been to a poker room?
@@rolandtomassi3486
She is a fish definitely
@@rolandtomassi3486 She is a woman though
Ask Philip about Eric he'll know......
i wonder what tom could have become had he not had a lot of beginners luck when he first discovered poker. instead he became a shadow, a husk, a shell of a person who aged 20 years in ten years after spending so much time in shady situations with shady people, chasing the dollar . perhaps he has lived a somewhat rich life due to this, but a good life? a stressful life for sure and an unfulfilling life. it is a lie that money won is twice as sweet as money earned. the more accurate gambling truism is that it's a hard way to make an easy living.
Tom dwan : there was a small game of 100-200 euros.....
How high do people hold up their cards for people to be able to peek at them and how good are their eyesight to see from afar. If someone is standing over my shoulder I’d be suspicious.
Right... I can hardly see my own cards im so damm old
I’ll just ask the dealer to clear the rail. I don’t like another players friends standing behind me. Or when they have a GF or wife sitting next to them and practically on top of their neighbor.
Doesn’t Tom still owe players $$ from the challenge
no
Yes. He refused to finish up with jungle man so I’ve heard and jungle man said so many times
and he said to me she seems suspicious for changing her story so 90percent she probably lying lol and im pretty darn sure he kept changing his story to jungle man on why he cant find time to finish the challenge lmao
@@ismaelramirez9920 as the old saying goes …. It takes a Bullshitter (tom) to know a Bullshitter ( Robbie)…😂😂
It's Postal 2.0
why would you give the money back if you didn't cheat? The end!
Stop thinking like a man... she isnt playing with her own money and she felt pressured... she called an all in while being behind. She got lucky.
@@dollarcostbackpacker1226 If I didn't cheat MAN OR WOMAN I'm not giving the money back period. You just degraded the female gender by saying they can't handle pressure but I digress.
@@dollarcostbackpacker1226 The thing is she wasn't behind
Because Garret has influence with Ryan - he says who is in the game and who isn’t, and Robbie, desperately wanted to be in the game
@@jmatando5105 it was a flip she could have easily lost that hand
Each person sued for defamation will have to expend about $50,000 out of pocket for their defense.
I certainly hope that's the case. And Adelstein should return $135k to Robbi
@@James_the_Buildername one single time anyone has handed money back. That alone is suspect in and of itself.
If a pro did that move everyone would be calling it an amazing hero call. Robbi is a loose player playing against someone who's range is everything, rarely checks and bluffs a lot when he doesn't get there.
No, they wouldn't. Because no pro would call in that spot with J4. No pro. That is NOT a hero call
The weirdest thing about the J4 hand is that EVEN if she was told Garrett's hand she does Not call, it was too close, G had too many outs.
Just too hard to believe the Dealer was also in it and the deck was rigged and she knew the cards coming.
@@postcardsfromprotest yup, I’m ready to believe cheating, so much smoke, just doesn’t prove out
Wouldn’t be dealer would be a person who sees the whole cards and feeds it to her
Polygraph the partners Adelstein Feldman Vertucci and Sagbigsal
They all smell like week old cod
Ask him about the money he owes and won't pay
Nobody in their right mind is gonna think they won a 100,000 hand with J high, specially an experienced poker player. I think theres definitely something fishy there
4am nobody is listening... Joey and us all expecting a crazy story but Dwan gives us the most rated G story ever.
Dwan kinda crazy
Tom never called cheating when he was playing a 7 2 hand against a 7 8 hand and bet for 100's of thousands three times and was called all three times yet never called the guy who was calling him a cheater! As a matter of fact they both laughed together at the fact the guy was calling him even if Tom had of gone all in on the river.
as if lie detectors are useful
I seem to remember Tom making some crazy looking plays in the original episodes of High Stakes Poker.
That had nothing to do with cheating
Exactly, that had to do with game sense. Knowing how to put ultimate icm pressure. Tom dwan would never make such an -EV call. Shoving is a whole different story, when your bluff tells a story on its own (the right steps) pre , on flop and turn river for instance.
"a small game EU100/EU200"
what's a big game to these guys?
This is only a tough hand for pros to accept. Those of us that play with new players know that they'll call u down with anything if they think you're bluffing. Losing to J high against someone with that mentality is normal. They go by feel rather than working it out methodically. Garrett's image cost him here and he got upset he missed all his outs. Simple as that
That’s very true. I’ve had guys call me down with no hand and a 1% draw expecting to lose. But they still call. They simply don’t have the discipline to fold
You have no clue what you are saying. This isn’t your average 1/2 or 2/5 game. That was a 250k pot and calling all of that with j4 is borderline outrageous, pros or not.. she also says she had him on Ace high and calls him with jack high? Something just isn’t right.
@@jad3224 can't believe anything u hear on the poker table. So it really doesn't matter what she said. I think it was a legitimate call done by a relatively new player to the game. Or atleast someone who doesnt rely on the maths as much as most pros do.
She snap-gave the money back to Garrett.
That says it all.
@@easymoney7007 yep .proves her innocence completely coz no thieving scum would return money if they'd won.
It was in Slovenia where R.I.p Strassmann lost his life.
Could he have been cheated there. What do you know about this.
How tight is the neck of Dwan's shirt? Lol
Listen to this on .5 speed. You're welcome.
I think Feldman seems like a shady character.
...aaand.
Seems she was taking instruction on how to play the hand by someone who knew the game but the execution was poor and made it obvious.
also thought it was funny how she said she was beating up on him the other day "after the stream" which insinuates to me that was getting help during the stream.
He saw them cheating, BUT had no proof on Robbi. SMH
give it anothet week or two
The weirdest part to me is, even IF you knew G's cards, you DON'T call; She was 47% to his 53%.
Do people actually think the dealer was in out it w a stacked deck?? lol
he probably got cheated in that 20 million hand set over set
He lost 10 million to Andrew Robl. Tom had KK and Andrew had ace K of diamonds ..ran it twice was ace on first runout and 3 diamonds on second board to make Andrew a flush lol
When I spent 200 dollars, I really consider. This guy puts it in to get an orbit of cards dealt. And there is high probability it's all trash hands 😂😂
It's a crew 3 people on the table Eric the girl and the guy in the cowboy hat and the guy in the control tower.
So 4?
well my opinion, dont play poker when you dont know the dealer and his bosses, cheating is what they all think doing IMHO
I have no empathy for ppl they do nothing than lei because that's what's poker is all about, telling a lei
so what the f ..are poker player complaining about
Tom has weird creepy eyes
Robbie was 100% cheating!
Sweet dreams Tom… it was nice knowing you.
Yes, it's 100% she cheated. She was asked if she had a 3 and said no right after looking at her cards. She didn't misread them. Watch the video again. Why do criminals get caught? Because they're dumb and greedy. Don't need more of an explanation than that.
tom dwan is tweaking
Takes 1 2 know one. I agree lol.
seems honest and trustworthy
theres only wan dwan 😛
And.... uh..... uh....And... Lol come on Tom, hurry up! Makes a 3 minute story into 13
The Triads aren’t like this
Lol just take the loss
D 🥊 RRRRRR 👑
She made a call based on intuition/emotion cause she was tired of him pushing her around. She knew it looked dumb, so to save face amongst her peers after the fact, she floundered with all kinds of excuses and rationales.
The thing is, there was no point in calling since his bluffs are better than her value.
Lmao what? None of her excuses or rationale made any sense. That’s not emotion or anything else it’s straight out lying. There isn’t a single high stakes player in the world who would call with J high there. Then she allowed someone to steal money (from just her by the way) until she was pressured into pressing charges. Nothing about any of it makes any sort of sense. She hasn’t been back and has essentially disappeared and that in and of itself is an indictment. These streams want the best players in the world and action but what she did can’t be explained. This wasn’t some 1-2 home game
@@jamesmulrey6061 Uh you got that wrong, most of these are amateurs, they want the best players in the world to come because thats what gets the most views.
@@shinx2873 just because they don’t actively play for a living doesn’t really mean the word amateur fits. These guys and girls aren’t playing .5 - .10 NL on Poker Stars
@@jamesmulrey6061 Well it kinda does, these guys just come here for fun, 9/10 don't study or review hands at all. Just because they play for a lot of money doesn't mean they take it serious. Any online 1-2 player can beat these guys
I think opinions would be different if they flip their cards over before the rivers. You know....how poker used to be played when there's no more action on the hand. It gains a ton of shock value when they wait to flip after two river cards. If they flip before the river it just looks like a drawing hand shoved all in, and an overcard called. Then people would see that it was pretty much a coin flip with two river cards to come and robbis call wouldn't have had such shock value when she fades all the outs and wins the pot with J high
Interesting
ESP is real. Some peoples body communicates more information than yours. Much more. She doesn't want to tell us her mutant power???
Tom Dwan is cheater himself :D
Stream snipe much?
1. Wrong term
2. Joey and I are friends, he’s cool with people making clips from his streams
great original content, unsubbed now.
Joey should investigate Tom Dwan for cheating.
100% SHE DID NOT CHEAT!!! she's not experienced in this high stakes and is nervous. She's trying way too hard to act cool for TV and lots of posturing. She acts so dumb with all her trying to act like she knows what she's doing. if anyone saw Garett's hand after putting in only $24,500 who would call $110k with J high even if ur ahead? She only ended up there because it was a blind vs blind hand and she tried to outplay him and had a brain fart with her not wanting to back down calling at the end. That's why she has all kinds of excuses like she thought she had a 3 and a blocker and lots of nonsense to act like she knows what she's doing. She's just plain idiot and dumb but definitely not a cheater.
All these"pro" players are a joke if they can't tell robbi is just fish. If they were to cheat it would be much harder to detect
Sounds like Tom's been up 24 hours before trying to get thru this story....
To me it’s pretty clear she wasn’t cheating. She just doesn’t know what she’s doing
I've watched this game over and over. I don't think she cheated at all. I've played my whole life. Since I was 16 I'm 49 now
So? Lol. A average 20 year old 50nl grinder plays more hands in 3 months then you in 30 years lol 😂