Is Tom Dwan a Poker Scammer Or A Victim?
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2024
- Shocking accusations have surfaced regarding Tom Dwan owing moneyand being in debt to several poker pros such as Peter Jetten, Haralabos Voulgaris, and Daniel Cates. This video delves into the complete narrative surrounding whether Tom Dwan is perceived as a scammer or a victim.
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You mean a gambler is a degenerate? Quelle Surprise!
After the Jungleman story I lost a LOT of respect for Dwan.
Remember like 10-15(?) years ago all the memes about Dwan and the triads.
I feel like there was some truth to them.
True story. I once loaned a total stranger $50 bucks in a grocery store and never expected to see him again. Years later, 5 years later to be exact I happened to see him at an event. He remembered me and handed me a $100.
Like that song "What goes around comes around .."
This is the way. Never lend more then you would spend on a decent meal a because food is 99% of the time the only good reason to lend money to a stranger.
Wow that is so not even a little interesting... this isn't about you we truly couldn't care any less
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@@slowery43 You missed the point.
Tom still owes me $3.75 for half a sandwich I gave him in 1997.
Nah, that’s $14.5m with interest because he’s a millionaire.
@@TheLeftReallyWeird you damm right
You? Yoooo me too.!!! Hahah
Yooo me too..!!! Hahaha
I can't even figure it with the juice
A Dwan never pays his debt.
imagine owing someone money and betting them that you don't owe them money 🤣
Infinite money hack
Many poker players are scumbags, look at Howard Lederer, Annie Duke, Chris Ferguson, Rafe Furst, Russ Hamilton, Phil Hellmuth some of his sketchy business dealings, Men Nguyen and many more. Erick Lindgren didn’t pay his gambling debts and Brad Yukon Booth didn’t pay back his debts. What this should teach you don’t lend gamblers money or anyone you don’t trust. When it comes to money people get weird.
Can you imagine somebody owes you a quarter of a million dollars and you watch them on TV blowing it off at the Hustler
If you think Dwan is playing those Hustler games on his own dime I've got a boat to sell you.
@@spicoliandreti who's going to bankroll him after knowing how much that he is in?
@@Imadethistocomment13 same people bankrolling him the last decade. Use some reasoning skills.
@@spicoliandreti you seem very disrespectful when you talk, not sure why you can't just have a regular conversation without being a douchebag in every sentence
Some people smelled this on him years ago but couldn't say anything because of the hype. Then he "disappeared" and it was assumed he was making big bucks at high stakes games in Macau. Then suddenly, after being completely uninterested in social media he becomes interested in politics like he's being paid to do it. Then goes silent again. Now it's all finally coming out, bro is deep in debt, can't bluff all your chips away repeatedly and get away with it forever.
I don’t think it’s that. I think him having millions he won legitimately, and plying against billionaires who have questionable backgrounds cost him all the money he had. But I don’t know. No one does except for Tom.
The amount of People putting their personal shit on social media will always amaze me.
thans for the video i was waiting on your opinion on the subject
What does jetten mean " he TOOK action ? i'm kinda new to poker and am trying to learn these terms, he accepted a loan ?
You give them some of their buy in, and you split the profits if Dwan wins. If not, you're money is gone.
tom bought piece of jettens tournament buy in but never actually paid for that piece..
I appreciate you getting back, but i'm still not clear, lets say jetten paid $10,000 to enter a tourny, so tom would say for instance, " ill pay for a thousand of that"? but then never paid him? @@ekia3056
Not everyone is rich like Hellmuth or Ivey ... A lot of these pros who make millions are gamblers, sometimes losing a lot in private cashgames tables
Phil hellmuth was right about this kid
He’s right about everyone Annie Duke and Howard Lederer
what did phil hellmuth said about this Kid?
@tom_sha he wouldn't stand the test of time and go broke..it was in heads up poker on NBC and the two played a heads up match.
Dwan is playing million dollar games in Macau while hellmuth is buying in short in 100k livestreams while plastering himself in branding
So?@@johnferrara9667
Maybe us low stakers are the happiest after all
Professional gamblers are really sad figures.
The ones everyone makes fun of like Hellmuth are the only decent ones in the green.
Really sad figures.
@@TraumaER I figured phil hellmuth like 6 years ago. That he was one of the few that is actually making money and in the green.
Sad to see how people are so naive not to see it.
@@apathetickid9745agree. All the other ones for the most part from HSP have negative net worth.
@@apathetickid9745 Yeah Phil helmuth is careful and cautious af. Also he plays small buy ins never splashes chips like a maniac plays very conservatively and rarely bluffs. He doesnt gamble by participating in games he doesnt understand like horse or dog racing like degenerates like Dwan and Ungar did. Him, Phil Ivey and Dnegs are one of the rare ones that stood the test of time.
I think flashy bluffers like Dwan Gus Hansen Isildur1 always end up bust at the end of the day. Im not a pro just a play money and small cash play but Ive notice this trend of LAG player types getting bust at the end while nitty grinders always have positive long term EV.
There was a rumor that he was a slave for the triads in Macau for a while
yeah, i think he bit off more than he could chew but Paul really liked him and helped him out..
Yep! I heard that too. To be fair, Dwan was very sexy in his younger years and I still think he is sexy for his age. I've also heard other rumors through the Gay Mafia that Dwan was getting paid very large sums of money for sexual favors by some very rich and exclusive clients.
@@daveb2280cmon now 😂😂😂
wonder if he won the money back or just got majorly in trouble
he did look quite supple in his youth
I don't understand fully. Without any form of legal contract, various rich people lend him tremendous amounts of money?
They have a legal contract. A handshake agreement is a legal contract. However they have more than that, they have text messages. Tom offered these guys to have a third party arbitrate their claim and they refused because they are lying.
Neither one of these cases sound they involved money changing hands really. The first they have a staking agreement. Tom was supposed to cover half the buys of the series. But before that the other guy plays the series on his own money or perhaps even other staked funds. Afterwards he doesn't do well and then goes to settle up with Tom for his losses. Tom for whatever reason stalls on his but now seems to actually be paying him back. Slowly. The second is some weird sidebet on top the legitimate losses they both sustained with the bookmaker. Who knows what the side bet is. Neither party is saying.
That's how it works between these people
@@sdickinson5234if it's a legal contract, why is it being resolved on social media rather than in court?
He would be run out of the Poker scene just like everyone else that cheated or stole money. Dwan is still invited to big games and nobody bothers him during tournaments. He won almost 5 million on HCL alone. This is the problem with doing things with a handshake with shady people
Not paying back your debts is just shittty.
You know what is even more shittier? Lending money to people without binding them to a legal contract. I think Dwan is just abusing his privileges but not having to pay these idiots a cent. Not his fault they got greedy lending him money. They didnt do it to help a dear old friend. They did it to make money out of him.
I hold money lenders responsible not those who loan money when there is no legal agreement between the parties.
Note to all the idiots out there. Always go to a fucking lawyer before you lend somoene money if you dont have the muscle or the means to collect u idiots.
Rule #1..never lend people money, specially gamblers..
Tom Dwan sold me fentynal in Vegas
That's why i would never be staked, i'd hate to owe people money and not be able to pay it back,
Well I don’t know if staking is always a loan. Meaning. There’s a website you can stake WSOP players. But only if they place in a payout position do you get paid. It’s if they win you get x% on your gamble.
Staking isn't Borrowing.
either way , i'd feel terrible not being able to pay it back, i'd rather lose my own money, but people are different, that's just me . @@user-mf2fd6dq8x
You only pay if you win. So unless you're a greedy thief, paying their share of your wins is easy.
you would never be staked because you suck at poker
I would never trust a pro poker player
you would never have any money to loan a poker pro so it is a moot point
Poker is just like everywhere else. There's a mix of stand up guys and snakes that will stab you in the back to get ahead.
I would give Negreanu some because I know he can get a lot from marketing deals to pay me back but that's pretty much the only one. Maybe Ivey but I think not even him
You lend money to anyone = dumb. You lend money to a gambler = 🤣🤣🤣
thinking that a gambler will pay back his debts by gambling more, is hilarious.
who lends someone that kinda money without a contract. lmfao
Honestly, I just made a similar comment.
High roller poker players
what is Jeju? cant find it
Super High roller cash game in Korea (Jeju), short handed cash game 200/400/800
@@Skyshatterxthank you very much
@@peterfrank6216 you can find it on CZcams if you type Jeju Triton Series
"Or a victim".. that's a new one lol
Tom s face aged like milk
Great video as always.
Seems like Jetten is only considered a "high stakes pro" is durrrr put him in action.
um huh ?
@@user-gx2yy1df6fdurrrr out him in action
Durrr owes me $20 from a SC2 coaching session from 2013
and then there's straight up Darvin Moon, who dies young. Life is not fair.
Damn. Hearing the details of both these cases just seems like weird gambler staking paranoia.
Cough up the cake, Dwan! 😠
Tom owes me €29.99 for the sunglasses he borrowed from me in Ireland,never seen them or him again
Lies, nobody in Ireland needs sunglasses
We need to know about the China thing, I guess being there was why he didn't have access to Twitter?
I gave Tom Dwan a plate of corn muffins back in 1947 to paint my chicken coop and he never did it!
I’ve heard those corn muffins were lousy.
looks good on jungle...
that is the guy who owe me 5K$ 😮😮😮
I would sell that debt to the cartel 40 cents on the dollar...and let them handle it.
What is Pay in "Jeju"
Jeju is the location for the next big Triton tournament, Jeju is an island off of South Korea
@stephenpospishil951 ok thx, I knew it was an island in Korea I just didn't know there was a tournament there.
so he cant/wont pay his debts does that mean hes broke? or just being a douche bag?
he definetely is not broke
He owes millions. Surprised he still can walk
still interested to know how he got beat so badly by Isildur. Yet every time you see him on tv he seems to be winning, even now
Isildur outDurrred Durrr 😂
So basically Dwan is asking them to show proof of debt and they don't do that? And he's the problem?
If you want to lose friends lend money.
Yeah ma.imagine u spot right beside the guy that owes you money, then u see him scoop a 3 million pot and just not even pay u a little back. That's crazy
Tom still owes me $28 for a Pizza. He told me to Send him my Venmo, and then he sent an email back with the numbers 2 & 8 in the email.
It's time for these guys to hire someone, and I don't mean a lawyer.
Like a who-arrr? Sopranos style? These guys need to get laid. Too much gambling
Tom dwan still owes me from the million dollar game on hcl I staked him and he hasn’t responded to me or anything
Definitely scammer, but that’s what you get in poker
Dwan seems like a reckless poker player I'm not surprised he's owed people money.
Years ago talking was done in person! People are stupid for talking online. Dude owes me money I see him face to face and $100k is enough for a $500 flight anywhere to speak in person! Wake up
Not even watcing, jungle dillemma said it all.
Can someone explain to me how taxes would work with bearding sports bets? Wouldn't Tom have to pay all of the taxes for everyone he is bearding for?
No taxes on bets in some countries, UK for example
He probably gave so much money away. Hes simply a legend.
Arent all these guys professional grifters?
You borrow their money and have to give back yours. I understand Tom.
At the heart of every successful poker player is a degen waiting to surface. Buying and selling action will always cause issues.
Total scammer. I know one individual in TX that he still owes hundreds of thousands to.
Newsflash: usury is not part of poker.
Birdy told me he owes the Chinese mobb millions... heard they own him
Tom still owes me $100 since 2008 when we were partying in a nightclub
the nicest persons are the worse player. -the rounders
Anyone who owes people money and doesn’t pay is a scumbag nobody would like that done to them
Always count on poker bounty to bring clear concise info.
He’s just a dangerous opponent
Every other week we hear this stories how scummy the top pros are……duh they’re the best a deception yet they expect fairness when they deal with them 😂😂😂😂
Two syllables
Great poker players don't owe money to everyone. Stu Unger for all his talent, was a loser in life. Dwan was this great player. Only score in poker is cash. Doyle Brunson didn't play reckless. He worked his money. Because that is the score.
Don’t “loan” gamblers a huge some of money…
Sad to see. Used to hang out with Tom and some other Pro's. Always thought he was one of the few stand up individuals.
Yeah sure. Dude looked like a punk since his TV debut during the early 2000s.
I thought he was a good actor with Laak. Maybe he needs to follow in Phils footsteps with the Acting $
Why not just sue him.
Tom is downnnnnnnn bad, i have no debts and im suddenly happy about that
Very few stay on top. Shooting stars. It's a sickness.
'He paid me 100k 2 days ago'
'Sounds like he's paying'
Not sure why that weasle Doug Polk got involved by adding fuel to the fire. Does Tom owe him any money. Hate people like that.
Im heading over to ACR rn. Tom Dwan says their hearts are in the right place. They won't spend the money to remove the bots from their site but they gave their thoughts and prayers towards the resolution if the situation. Meet me at ACR lets see if we can beat the bots or just pay rake to break even against them + field
The real question is:
Who the fuck cares?
Going busto, It’s all part of the poker players romantic journey of being a degen ! 🎉
How much $ does dwan actually have ?
Hes sponsored by 3 poker companies now, and god knows how much he owes to his master Phua
He likely has a 7-8 figure net worth and has the money to pay people. “Poker players” or people whose primary income is made from playing poker are just greedy money hungry pieces of filth that will take any opportunity possible to not pay their debts as long as it doesn’t hurt their financial opportunities in the “poker community”. It’s a dirty business
negative five million
Depends how much he borrows haha
@whodouthinkuare I'm pretty sure phua and all those guys paid tom to play with them because they wanted the best
I have never understood why these supposedly wealthy people have others “buying action” from them. Wouldnt you want to keep your winnings instead of having to cut someone in? And likewise, wouldn’t you rather pay your own way and not have to rely on someone else to do the right thing?
You don't get it
to all whom I owe, I forgive everyone
Hes won so much money where did it go
Tom Dwan is best Romulan Poker player.
15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD
Tom swan is a legend❤
Stop it…those leaches want to get more money from dwan after taking the adequate amounts from him. Stop it. Dwan doesn’t play anymore for himself. He hasn’t done that in 15 years constantly stressing constantly tested constantly broke. Let him be. He is a poor soul 😢
Dwan still owes me that night
to swan gamble no good. his eye very big
All the people who want to destroy the popularity of tom dwan,all of you ,you cannot succeed.tom dwan is very kind person.
Why is EVERYONE saying Dwan owes them money? Just a big coincidence I guess.😂
Because he borrows because he’s not as good long term in poker as advertised.
I hate how you pronounce Jungleman like his actual name is Dan Jungleman or somethin
Wow only video I understood in regards, others is just tom dwan bleffing
He was actually cheated out of almost a hundred million dollars playing against triads in private games.
He couldn't pay back and he couldn't accuse them of cheating or there'd be consequences so they owned him for a while until he made them almost 3 times what he owed in other private games in macau against people you'd be surprised to hear about.
That's when you started seeing him back in triton 1m cash game.
He's still deeply in debt but now his winnings are mostly his to keep and pay back to other debtors but his margins are slim hence the ghosting and shit.
He also can't talk about why he cant just pay everyone back because his life would be in danger.
Dwan was a talented poker prodigy who kept pushing and pushing up the stakes until the highest he could find were playing with criminals. His ego made him believe he can just do what he had been doing to reach that point but there was no winning against them, no matter how good you are.
Scammer..he is probably owned by an asian business cuz he owes so much
Then again 99% of poker players are scumbags or pretending not to be 1
Wow. 99%? Is that all? 😂
not rue at all you just coping lmao
@MeatShank it's pretty accurate. It's a game of deception what do u think that is = scumbaggery
@@Gopstop222 it's true
If 99% of poker players were scumbags there would be stories like this all the time. Sadly there are very few in between. There are scammers in poker as much as there are scammers in every other profession. Its just a rule of thumb. Wherever there is money- there are angle shooters. Always has been the case
But but but...skill!!!
Romulan-lookin' degen owes everyone.
he is a f hero