How to escape the Ni Fi Loop
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- The Ni Fi loop is a powerful emotion fueled simulator that can sometimes leave the INTJ feeling paralyzed. I've been working on using this mindset shift with the help of a particular function and have found it to be beneficial. Hope it serves you on your journey!
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"Letting Te run the show, as it's supposed to do". OK LINDSAY LOL
Lmao hush my jumper friend
Did she just tell a bunch of INTJs to be less emotional XDD 💙 Awesome as always
I know beautiful right!! 🥲
I think that when I talk to myself, it’s usually Te trying to coach Ni and Fi
I can relate to that
Exactly 👏, my inner monologues are often felt like this. Great way to solidify this construct 🤓✨
I can relate but idk why
I never thought about that but your probably right?
I mean Te DOES work as the conscious function after all, it's only natural it feels a bit like a boss
I love all of the unique combos of functions. Ni/Fi is asking 'what is this in it's simplest form?' and then 'do I care about this?' They work very well together so long as the Te continues to remind the Fi that there are other people involved and the Se shows up enough to make sure the Ni is getting accurate info.
This makes me love being an INTJ.
They work wonderfully together!
You may be interested in Objective personality they have a concept known as animals which are two functions working together
Ni/Fi is called NF Sleep
There can also be NF play which Ne+Fe or NF Consume (Ne+Fi) or NF Blast (Ni+Fe)
INTJs have NT Blast NF Sleep SF Consume ST Play
@@J11_boohoo I'm actually a big fan of Objective Personality💯 I love what they do with the animal stacks, and I'm certainly open to learning more about them
Thanks. That makes the mental landscape of the INTJ pretty easy to envision.
"Processing needs to end, and life needs to continue" - well said :D. For me, a way to get out of a Ni-Fi loop has been sensory tasks. When I force myself to do sensory things, I get my mind to process feelings in a more "thinking" way, and it can break the loop for me. But I have to do the sensory things almost daily in that periode, otherwise I just get pulled back in to the loop. I see the benefits of the loop, too, but I`ve had a tendency to dive too deep in there. Thanks LiJo :)!
I notice that in my exp, when Ni-Fi kicks in, it means that there's something I needed to do planning on, which has something to do with Se. I think we're similar in a way that we use sensory actions to push ourselves to do Te things. Most of the time, I have to convince myself that I have to plan and it'll be ok (because there's going to be a plan) 😅
I tried using Ti to call myself out too. During a Ni-Fi loop, it feels too harsh for my fragile Fi (I know, it feels silly but I'm starting to embrace my lower functions and I guess, this is a way). For some reason, it just didn't work for me. But I guess, to each their own.
@@Blueflamey Can our 6th Ti be described as "our sense of conviction"? I guess it can feel like Fi when our conviction is related to our beliefs about ourselves. But what if it is something related to practical things about ourselves that are undeniably the truth? Because we know who we are.
When my Fi goes so crazy in the loop, there are moments when I allow my Ti to make it's say. It's not Te that's based on external metrics, but it's about what my true strengths and weaknesses are, and how it has served me despite whatever feelings I tell myself, either I'm worthy for it or not.
I guess I brought this up because it kind of links the Superego of the INTJ Ego, which is the ISFJ. ISFJs have Si-Ti. It's past-oriented based on how things have always worked out. I dunno. There are times when my Fi speaks whatever negative stuff it has to say, and Ti here is like "Nope! That's not true."
@@BuizelCream Hmm... For me, the people in this world are a lot and each has their own perspective. This perspective is formed through how they perceive their world (aka, cognitive functions) and may have a lot to do with how each behaves. Hence, every person, for me, has a different personality.
With this, I don't think my Fi is the sole responsible for beliefs about myself. What I think of myself, imo., is a product of my perspective. And with my first statements in mind, my perspective is the product of, let's say, Ni Te Fi Se. Maybe my shadow functions have a hand too though I'm not entirely sure of that. Well, bias. Like, I'll most likely rely on what I'm comfortable with, even if I want to be open-minded, like on its truest sense. So, I think that my belief about myself is what I know of my personality.
On an INTJ's Ni-Fi loop, aka., the INTJ thinking gone out of hand.
I can say, I'm at the time of my life wherein I'm trying to have a different pov on a lot of things. Generally about life, the meaning of things in an abstract sense. Hmm... More like, I would like to define important things on my own, and not rely so much on my Te. Because well, Te loves to be validated (lol). Or in my experience, validation in a way that while Ni sifts through the information I perceive, Te further compares those against bodies of knowledge. To let Fi kick in, bodies of knowledge that I trust. In this way, I kinda find my process funny. This is something I'm not fully aware of when I was 2-3 years younger. But I guess that's bias. Eventhough I know now and have the hypothetical power to change myself for the better, it might be very difficult or, maybe impossible? Though I don't wish to ascribe to impossibility, I realize that this is more than a habit. It's bias--cognitive bias, something I've relied on for ages. Hence why I said that. Why I do sensory actions when I'm in "the loop".
And true to what I said that I'm trying to change, I also tried to study and use my shadow functions. But, let's just say it's pretty difficult for me do subconsciously. Because at this point, I'll most likely rely on what I'm comfortable with, which is Ni Te Fi Se. And I'm not that used with utilizing Se. Or even Fi, to their maximum potential (I believe).
I'm still trying to use my shadow functions though atm., they're more of a conscious choice rather than a natural flow of thinking for me. If you're able to utilize Ti during the loop, then kudos for you! Me on the other hand, not so successful with that 😅.
Sorry if this TED talk is too long.
Thank you, definitely going to try this out the next time I can't seem to get out of bed because I'm wallowing. I'll a) set a time limit, b) get out of bed and make the bed, and c) journal my feelings, focusing on how my temporary feelings are mine but are not my identity. This could work!
Makes more sense than i thought. My bf is INTP (and very well versed in psychology), and everytime i fall into NiFi he's here pointing out everything wrong in my thoughts, then i think a lot and make a move based on what i learnt. Things get pretty easy after that.
Thanks for the video !
As an ENTP listening to an INTJ talking about using Ti I can just congratulate you and say, very good job 😁
I learned of the Ni-Fi loop about 3 years ago, and which was instrumental in seeing what was happening and regaining my objective thought posture. It was as though I felt so hopeless and overwhelmed, I simply ignored the outside world and just let it come for me, come whatever may.
Regarding my exiting the loop; I had no idea I was using Ti in this fashion but I was. The way LiJo says Ti users are critical of themselves, I’ve always done that but viewed it as a function of Te, in that my critical view was of an objective standard that I see applied to all humans. Essentially Nature’s Mandate if you will. It just goes to show that even in utilizing Ti, it is natural for Te users to objectify their findings, however internally peculiar (subjective) that they may be.
Also, your background anesthetics are solid. Nice job Te-ing the Se.
The foreground anesthetics are good too.
Not to be hateful, I just wanted to say - I don't like when people refer to loops as a bad thing, necessarily. I think loops can be a good thing. Looking at it from the perspective of quadras, loops just mean connecting to your inner world. If done excessively, it could be a bad thing, but not necessarily.
I know your intentions are good, and this video could be great regardless.
I actually talk about it the benefits of the ni-Fi loop in this vid :)
@@InternetLiJo Ok cool :)
I agree, introvert loop help us to not take a bad decision, or a decision we can regret it in the future.
In certains cases, I think we can have and accomplish greats ideas/things with.
Same for extroverts loops, it can lead to being very productive, and doing really good things
or doing things that we may regret later.
(It's just what I think)
There's loops and there's jumping. Consume and blast preference type introverts can sometimes find themselves in sleep loops that drain their energy.
There's a guy that talks about the Ti-Si loop of death for INTPs that is spot on for us consume types. But the other ones, the Ti-Si sleep jumpers their issue under stress is anxiety, not depression.
I'm only just beginning to escape a chronic Fi-Ni loop and hard disagree.
Never going back to that place again lol.
ENTP but have been tripping into loops for a while and found this helpful and reassuring. Emotional exploration and recontextualization are useful processes to have access to, but there's definitely such a thing as over-indulgence. Thanks very much for this, and looking forward to your new fun content. Keep at it! Peace✌
Gosh darn it, this is very relatable. Awesome fantastic video and ideas. (And extra points for calling emotions ‘chemicals’.) 🌷
I was deep in this loop today, and using Te didn't help which was frustrating. Even tried Se but still wasn't totally ok 😅 The idea in this video might actually help a lot though, so thank you 😍🌟
my Te is obsessed with cognitive functions, 16p when it comes to categorizing people or their behaviour, it works so well...but when it comes to my internal system, I just can't make it work like that...I think you totally make sense here about Ti..I think learning human neuroscience, outsourcing some Ti, considering myself without any label and just a typical human being, can help me more in growth. ig I understand your point.
ISFP: It's a nice approach. I solved a lot of problems with myself by adopting Si and Ti.
Problem is, Fi determines your priorities and values, it's not chemicals. Some people just value and prioritize chemicals, but that's not Fi at its basic. I don't decide with emotions but by what matters to me.
If you're worried about chemicals 😉 reevaluate your coffee and alcohol consumption.
I'm definitely in a nifi loop, and I feel like it's not exactly getting the best of me, I'm going to try to follow what you said because I definitely feel that way and hey there are more important things like the future you know
There’s something interesting in the 6th functions and 5th functions, we almost don’t value the 5th at all but we can somewhat be admired at the 6th
And I think, to use OP language, it’s because your first function’s human need pretty much goes against your 5th function’s human need while the 6th function is like combining your middle functions together, and you are more natural and relaxed with your middle functions, double observing or double deciding,
So I’m not the only (INTJ) who is better at Ti rather than Ne.
@@Yourfavoriteface yes I agree
So that's it. I thought I mistyped myself because I was using Ti just as much as Te
I feel like the best moments in my life were in an ni fi loop, love me some ni fi loop😂
Hahah now there's a positive spin!
This is crazy accurate to what I've been experiencing at school, btw I didn't know to get out of the loop but I did it my own way and somehow it reflects Ti as what was suggested in the video.
Internally critical to one's detriment? Whaaat? That NEVER happens. 😏 I like the way you explained Ti. That's pretty accurate.
I can see this is super useful advice for any looper. Use enough of the second that you get some of that 6th slot.
-INTP-Ne
When it comes to productivity, INTJs are best when they time or measure their performance. Then, they have realistic understandings of what they're like and where they are at. It can give them that internal feeling of positivity for breaking records and competing with themselves. This basically replaces Ti with both Ni (attention to goals) and Te (external organization) and is much more like Ti on steroids. Ti users usually don't have any idea what they want,
You Ni types know exactly what you guys want at all times and that's what you rely on to do both the plan/daydream part, and also the external organization (alarms, individualized performance metrics, etc.) part to meet those goals. That allows you to use that Fi, how the world makes you feel, and turn that "what's objectively effective" Te function inwards. Making progress or outperforming yourself will feed that Fi and make you feel good in a meaningful way, which is what can often empower someone to get out of that loop.
Tr;Dr: Escape a loop by giving yourself easy, but increasingly difficult wins toward your 6th function in order to feed/heal the paired animal (For a Ni-Te blast subtype caught in a Ni-Fi sleep loop, you gotta willingly feed that Se-Fi consume increasingly difficult wins, and Se-Fi likes to consume stuff that makes themselves feel good about their in-the-moment performance.)
Literally just what I needed today
What works for me is
I write down my emotions (I use an app for this)
Once I'm aware of my unpleasant emotions; I allow myself to feel those emotions in the body.
Since I've known about the Ni-Fi loop and some ways to escape the downward spiral of my thoughts, I wrote me a memo and put it in the back of my journal that says "Ok. I get it. You're stupid. What are you going to do about it, then?" Whenever I realize I'm in a loop, i just flip my journal, and it has yet to fail me in calling my Te to front and take the lead. 😂
Knowing that you (INTJ'S) already have superior decision making abilities, logic would suggest that you just have to make a decision and it will probably be more than adequate.
That’s a really insightful video, I’ve been really keyed into the cognitive loops lately, and how they emerge as particular behaviors or thought patterns. And the Ni-Fi loop makes more sense to me, especially reflecting back on my feelings of self identity and higher levels of pig headedness when it comes to not doing things just for the sake of others, without first deeply analyzing all the variables against my own values.
I've noticed that writing in journal about my feelings keeps that nasty loop at check or at least shortens it. Also keeping a timer on "I'll let myself brood about this thing for x" is very effective, we're not robots and we need our squishy-feely side to be able "to feel" :)
Great advice as always Lindsay. Also, a nod to your aesthetics 👌🍸
**humbly bows**
Good timing, kinda been looping for the past few months
Mind you that is kind of my fault because I already know how to escape it.
This is extremely helpful! Thank you. I tend to get stuck in the processing and find it hard to move to the next stage.
D) The principal and Aux functions:
"If feeling and thinking are on same level, then relatively undeveloped thinking and feeling" (para.) -Jung, "General Description of the Types"
"In these cases there is also no question of a differentiated type."
Could this mean disambiguation of types merely requires individuals to distinguish between their feelings and thoughts? (Various xxxj or xxxp types)
More info on the details of Fi. Great!
This got me wondering if there is anything similar that I do to Kick myself from a Ti - Ni loop. (They are useful, but when I dwell there too long, thoughts change from searching to pessimistic.) I'm not sure which function this would be, but I'll go and engage in some menial physical activity (like cleaning the kitchen) while listening to music. This usually drowns out the thoughts. Perhaps that's using Si, but idk.
Here we go loop the loop ....
Here we go lalala..
My current loop song
Very helpful! Thanks!
Thank you
I thought I had mini-loops for my whole life, I mean I made some negative repeating vision for a thing I really worried about but then it stopped when the thing happened (either like I didn’t visioned either of what I visioned but it wasn’t so terrible like I thought). I think I never had a “real loop” but if I do, I’ll take this advice video
Ideas for the next video, INTJs and a narcissistic or unstable relatives or all together. How you can escape this loop or grip if you're in the relationships like this combined with the psychological traumas from childhood.
You did it, Lindsay, you changed the necklace. You did it. You used a new thing.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 well shoot, I did and someone noticed. Hahah thank you
2:18 doggo be like: ah, mom's busy...righteo
I always escape Ni Fi loop when I find a new hobby ( a new obsession) xD
I'm Ti aux, for me your Ti emulation is still INTJ function. stage 1 is Te, stage 2 is Ni, stage 3 is Fi. Being in a TiNe axis, Ti state of mind is constantly analysing options and suspicions. Negative emotion for Fi is often sadness while for Ti is anger.
Ni is my primary function, and Fi my second, and I don't think I experience this loop haha. They're my strongest functions and I know how to navigate them. Using Te or Ti will not work for me, they are literally the 7th / 8th of my list. It's how I self-sabotage. What I always sense that does help, is going for my Fe (which is my 3rd) or for Se
Do you think it can happen when someone/an INTJ, develop/start to have feelings for someone ? (crush or in love)
4 month ago at temporary work, during some weeks we both (INFJ and INTJ) acted a little weird, and awkward situations, nervous... between us.
I noticed during 1 or 2 weeks, his behavior changed, he changed his habits/routine at work : exit through another door, take the longer path, completely avoid and ignore people and everyone's gaze, no talk at all, completely in his mind.
As an INTJ, when I'm attracted to someone I just feel more confident, determined and start teasing them to no end (but only if they're receptive which coincidentally was the case for all three, and it's worth mentioning that I only fell in love with crazed Ne doms so far so I don't know what reaction a non-teenaged mind would have on me)
Although I personally can't see myself with someone without high Ne usage, both xNxJs and xNxPs fascinate me but what I feel about the first is more of a brotherhood connection no matter how hot they are, while the second I just want to contemplate all day with an involuntary silly smile on my face as if they were psychedelic kittens taking me to some sort of a cosmic perdition
@@wlwlwlw3908 Thank for sharing.
That could be a reason, that or he doesn’t want to be there or talk to anyone which is highly likely lol
I love how your dog magically pops onto the couch lol
Indie is magic 🪄
I hate ni fi loop. I am in this loop right now.
Ti has a no BS attitude, and that can work on calling yourself out. The downside is that it can lead to a lot internal criticism if you have some baggage.
I feel like asking why helps with closing the loop which stops which stops us from ignoring our emotions connecting with our purpose makes us revaluate ourselves
So with sleep as my NI FI, i feel like i totally loop here. Is it possible one can loop even though my Ni is my 4th, making the animal more dominant than the placement (4th)?
I think sleep processing (especially for you) as a savior is simply the culprit here!
Thx
🙏🙏🙏 thanku
I'm probably gonna eat my words when I have a nervous breakdown in a month, but it seems as though Ti is in the business of making Fi obsolete. Some might consider it bottling up emotions but it seems more like they evaporate before I have the chance to analyze them. Like water in a sieve, I can't hold onto it for more than 3 seconds.
Currently i'm in a NiTe loop because I have lots of work. I miss my NiFi loop...
i appreciate your Te-oriented view, and i'm happy that it's been working for you. however, at least for me, there's no escape unless the winged anima descends upon the child god and gets him out of the mouth of the mount doom. yea, you heard me right! one of those 'animalistic' occasions i guess.
all i'm saying is that one does not simply break the loop order of the two introverted irrational functions with another introverted function which itself lies down in the shadowland.. unless, you'd already mastered the art of crossing the boundaries and torching up the unconscious, which again makes you not falling (or not as much as before) into the loop in the first place. NiFi looping is no joke, at least not for me. i get completely out of sync with the external world, it just doesn't exist in the dictionary, i'm just the butterfly dreaming of being don quixote...
wait, am i talking to myself again? how much real are you? hello!? :)
Is this Ni Fi the loop that wakes me up at night, heart racing, imagining all the worst-case scenarios that could logically result from something bad that happened that day IRL? I hafta get up and tire myself out on the rowing machine for 2-3 hours until it passes, if it does.
can u do a video on fi - si loop?
-infp
So, since I skip my Te for my Ni, wait I’ll email. ;)
Thanks a lot for the video! Can I also hear your opinion about the combinations of mbti and eneagramm? Recently, I have been noticing some disputes on this topic more and more often. Some people believe that some combinations of Enneagram and mbti are impossible. Is it true? I personally believe that these are different aspects of typology.
Typology is cognition. Enneagram(as I see it) is affect.
@@InternetLiJo thank you for the answer
Is it also applicable for istj
But what about jumper types in op? You either believe in "loops" or jumper types not both at the same time.
you didn't need those lip fillers
…and a trauma sponsored Ni Fi loop?
Approaching a year post trauma and still run the loop (or 1 of 20 or so possible related loops). It can take me off track for 2-4 full days with additional triggers. Shoot, I’m still afraid of making decisions.
INTJ - still stuck in an emotional whirlwind - hard stuff HA!!
…but it’s a great week so far! ;-)
Lijo channeling Steve Jobs….. or Elizabeth Holmes 😂, let’s hope it’s the former.
Lmaooo was thinking the same thing. She looks bomb though
Lmao ok this was like the one really cold day of the year when i filmed this where I live and I have limited clothing when it’s freezing outside.
@@InternetLiJo hey…. We never apologize for letting that fourth function flag fly. Wave that Se flag proudly Lijo 👏🏻👏🏻. Just assure us you won’t let snugg become a multi billion dollar front for a non existent product. By the way, how’s Woz these days? Promise that’s the last one 😂😂🌶🔥🖤
Oh good, stop being so Feely and add some more logic,, INTJ's, lol. I had no idea INTJ's felt they over processed they're emotions. Thanks for sharing. Like all the new lighting, etc., these days. Came out really nice.
INTJs dont show emotions for the most part externally but inside there is lots of emotional activity that can interfere with their ability to be productive in the outside world. It can really get in the way.
@@stu6097 Mm-hmm, so the smartest solution is to avoid processing it so it keeps surprising and getting in the way.
@@5idi there just might be more productive ways of processing than being stuck in the loop...
@@lishayost144 There are more productive ways to USE the loop instead of just freaking out about it, so step 1 is to accept it.
The loop is your chance to know and build yourself and not just what you're doing.
"Productive" is not always outwards - the inside and outside always affect each other.
@@lishayost144 The reason people get "stuck" in the "loop" is because they've been avoiding it despite it being two of their three main functions. If they tapped into it regularly, they'd never get stuck
I have no idea what half of these terms mean. I feel like I'm mentally simulating a stroke
letting the te and se takes me in 2 months 600 miles walk to satiate my fi and break that nifi loop is a bad idea for me.
I always thought ni-fi loop was just simply analyses paralysis and/or being in a daydream binge
Because it is.
It's analyzing internally.
I don't get why it's such a big deal and problem and something to escape. What's wrong with what's inside of you? And if there's something wrong indeed, you better loop and figure it out...
@@5idi I think the problem is using it as an escape to avoid reality or an actual issue.
Which is why it’s called analysis paralysis. Becuase you sit there thinking and never actually applying your thoughts to solve the issues or handle the situation
@@Growhealthy1990 Yes, but no matter which two functions a person's stuck on for too long, even if it's the first two, it's detrimental, but somehow "the loop" is this scary legend...
@@5idi it’s not a legend. It’s a imbalance of your functions. And using the first two functions isn’t a loop. It’s ideal since the second it’s suppose to reinforce the first one. That’s why they’re your top two functions
@@Growhealthy1990 Yeah, but the fourth should balance the first, and the third should balance the second, so on the top two a person's anctually extremely out of balance. They're on autopilot and don't get where all their problems are coming from. The "loop" is the easiest way to start actually figuring things out
I don't see loops actually being real, and sound like something to blame your problems on.
What are problems?
@@InternetLiJo what are the problems with loops?
They seem to usually have a negative connotation of being stuck, and I don't think they are necessarily bad and if you are trying to process something, you're probably doing it for a reason.
The other thing is what people are going to confuse as being a loop based off of how they feel, and sometimes there's a lot more that is going into these feelings than just being stuck between two functions.
So if you just think it's because you're in a loop, to me that is ignoring the possibilities of what might actually be affecting you.
Also if you do think that people are actually pretty blind to themselves, the self-reporting of loops could practically be anything.
I also think they are bad in terms of people trying to use them to type themselves or verify their type which I think is a bad way to go about it as well.
So to narrow it down, my problems with them are that I don't see anything that is really that helpful by focusing on them (although I do understand you said that you found it helpful in your video), and there's no way to actually verify their existence whatsoever besides the user's subjective view of what they think is happening.
@@shindig9000 Honestly these thoughts sound like a loop. 😜
Are you by any chance a xNTP? If I'm wrong, it's whatever. I'm just curious.
@@claytonpayne2408 I was officially typed in OPS INTP, yes
@@shindig9000 Are you looking for verifiable information? Sounds like a sensors view of looking at things. Are you an intuitive?
So NiFi loops are like when your GF gets mad at you for something you did in her dream? I'm not gonna lie, I am totally OK with being Fi PoLR. That shit doesn't look pleasant for people lol
Hi, I hope you're doing well.
I find that your explanation is too abstract and theoretical. Ofc I realize that this concept is abstract in itself but one cannot fully comprehend this without practical examples. I watched the entire 7:22 minute video yet I can't really say I grasped what you were trying to say. There was a lot of talking and little was being said.
That said, I hope you will take this criticism in the right spirit. I love some of your videos and I think you're doing a decent job!
Have a great day!