Seiko's own E6B-style Pilot chronograph. An alarm and chronograph ... or a dual time zone on a traditional mini-dial ... hardlex crystal ... 5-beat chrono second hand which looks like a traditional ticking mechanical second hand ... the nicely polished case on the Seiko's sides. Lots of aftermarket Synthetic Saphire crystals available for the Flighty ... plus a cult following, particularly for a Flighty with a French parachute elastic strap in olive green with a thin yellow center stripe. The dial just says "I'm PACKED with precision stuff!". Mine's averaging just over one second slow per month ... keeping up with my Bulova 262s! I didn't expect that from a standard 32KHZ crystal, man; that was a real surprise! And I have absolutely no problem with changing a battery in a quartz movement once every three years. Walk in the park and the battery runs $2.69. Get the Flighty ... trust Seiko!
I like the Citizen slightly more because it has a somewhat more contemporary style. Also, I'm a recent convert to Eco Drive and am impressed with that feature.
Both great watches! To make them even better (change movements, but keep the exact looks): - Nighthawk could be better if it was atomic (Citizen has the technology, already). - Flightmaster could be solar (Seiko has he technology, already).
Enjoyed your presentation very much mate. Nice clear, concise review of both watches & simple, no nonsense detailing of the differences between both watches. I have only recently become interested in collecting watches (Started off collecting Antique Pocket watches & now I am venturing into wrist watches) so a side by side review of these watches is a great help to someone like me who is just starting out. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching and for the feedback I appreciate. Glad the video was helpful. Enjoy the watch collecting journey and feel free to let me know if there's ever anything I can help with.
After looking at some comparison videos about the Nighthawk and the Flightmaster I like the Flightmaster more. So I wanted to get one but it was hard to find and owners were selling for a lot more. A few months back while I was in Costco I came across the blue Nighthawk and right away liked the looks of, so I decided to buy it thinking I wasn’t going to be able to buy a Flightmaster because of the price. Then a few weeks ago I got a notification from Massdrop that the Flightmaster was available so I bought it. Just recently I received it and was so excited to open it, but I was surprised about the quality of the watch. It looks smaller than the size also. Don’t get me wrong its still a nice watch but compared to my Nighthawk, the Flightmaster was a bit disappointing.
I own both watches the Citizen gets more wrist time and it's so much easier to read at a glance.Also I love how the slide rule on the nighthawk functions.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews I’ve watched just about every review on that seiko I can find and one says 20mm lug opening another says 21mm , and even another says 22mm lug opening??
A 22mm NATO strap snugs into that Seiko 21mm lug just fine; don't let that odd 21mm size deter you. Also, the hardlex crystal is vastly superior to plain mineral.
I prefer the Seiko, like the yello second hand and the dial is not as busy on the left hand side also on the seiko ,, the red part on the citizen really puts me off that ,,,, cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
I prefer the Citizen! The build quality is better and it seems like a lot more thought has gone into trying to make the dial less cluttered. The milled swingarm on the bracelet as well as the signed crown at 3 o clock are details that usually call for a higher price. So at $200 this is a steal.
I’ve owned a Seiko for more than 25 years and I like it a lot. But I think the Citizen has one clear advantage: the internal bezel. I’ve had to replace the external one on the Seiko because it gets nicked and scratched a lot as part of normal wear and tear. To the point it gets illegible after a few years of wear.
I have both. Either one is a dive watch capable of 200m. Additionally having screw down crowns. Very nice features! The bracelet on the Citizen is absolutely stunning. The links are shaped like the side profile of a wing and is very sturdy. The Seiko bracelet was a deal breaker. It just looks cheap. I replaced it with two straps. A blue Nato and an authentic Marine Nationale strap. They're both beautiful watches!
Both beautiful watches. Nice review. I own the Seiko. Honestly Seiko watches just never die. In my opinion they have superior build quality over Citizen. I have two expensive Citizen Eco-drive watches that I am selling for parts simply because they both died.
My oldest eco-drive is my daily watch and has been going for 15 years without any problems. It is pretty beaten-up though, so I wish both theses watches came in sapphire.
I've got my Q&Q watch for over 4 years, no battery changes, just teared brittle rubber strap that hydrated & normal use scratches.... No major issue...
I have both and suggest if you can afford both just do it. Both to me are exceptional for the price! Both look awesome and are really cool just to stare at. But at the end of the day if I could only have one after owning both. I would go with the citizen. It feels more substantial than the Seiko. I am grateful I don’t have to choose because the flighty makes me smile every time I look down at it. Two great watches and a great comparison video. Thank you!!
I prefer the Citizen. I think it seems better built and more solid. If you need a chronograph, you go with the Seiko. I am not a fan of chronographs so I see the Citizen as having more features I would personally prefer. Also eco-drive is the best quartz movement for me.
I have both and after 4 years my Nighthawk capacitor failed and cost me $95 to replace . There usually last MUCH longer but there is absolutely no truth to never replacing a component . I do not know how they still get away with claiming that.They are both great watches though .
738polarbear my eco drive failed after around 5 years, I’m a fool for 200m water resistant Seiko’s so that’s where I’m going, tha iso much for this review it helped me make up my mind 🙂
I'd pick the Seiko over the Citizen solely because it's shorter lug to lug and visually smaller dial would look better on my smaller than average wrist. But I definitely prefer the finishing and angular style of the Citizen's case. I'd also have to think that the exposed markings on the Seiko's external bezel would be prone to wear over time, while the markings are all protected under the mineral crystal on the Citizen.
I've had both and I like the citizen better. It feels and looks like a much better made watch. The nighthawk with a leather aviator style strap looks amazing.
Can you please share your experience regarding Nighthawks' lume? I bought one two days ago and somehow I find the lume to be pretty weak. I mean it is visible all night but it takes a long time to charge and compared to my Orient Mako it is just weak...
My nighthawk just going out of the house for a minute would cause the lume to be really bright for about 5 minutes then it would get dim. Of coarse the brightness of the lume dims a bit after a while but at least it last a long time. Personally I just like the design of the citizen better than the seiko.
I also own both timepieces and have always favoured Seiko watches but I like my nighthawk more even though it lacks a chronograph and a alarm. MY Flightmaster is to busy.
I just bought the Citizen Blue Angel version on a bracelet and I love it! Both are great watches and you can't go wrong with either one but I prefer Citizen watches generally. Cheers...
Good Vid Guy ... Both nice watches, Seiko has a Chronograph but the Citizen has Eco Drive ... Citizen is over $50 less expensive at the moment ... tough choice ...
If the Seiko is brushed and is solar powered, it will be the better watch. As is, the Eco-Drive is the better watch but I prefer the perceived smaller size of the Seiko so I'd go with the Seiko Flightmaster. Great comparison video, thumbs up!
lume shots!!! alot of people will dig to look at reviews and lume shots. with these watches and more. just giving a lil hint to what people would want to see as well :)
Rayon George thanks for watching. I've tried to do lume shots before but my camera doesn't show it well and I have a lot of sunlight in my room where I film. I'll try to come up with a solution in the future.
JustBlueFish, go into your bathroom with a tripod, turn the lights off and do an extended exposure, probably 1/4 -2 second exposure would be plenty. Play around with exposure times and ISO settings until you get what you want. Most Samsung phones have the ability to do this kind of photography in the advanced camera settings. If this is too much for you, you could also stack frames from a video into a single picture that has the same effect as a longer exposure. Either way you need the camera to be perfectly still during the shot to get a sharp looking picture.
I have two citizens watches. However i think Seiko watches is more beautiful and the face is match more nicer to. However i would say one thing the two most best Japanese watches at the moment now have always been citizens and Seiko watches.
Both are beautiful watches, both offer intricacies and complexities. My heart goes to Citizen Watch but my pocket only for seiko. Notheless Id like to keep both because I appreciate every level of craftsmanship that have been put into. Man so much history here.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews right, Seiko has stood the test of time and probably would spin forever. My dad still have his Seiko 5 automatic since I was eight and never appreciated it but now im 27 I started to love watches. Maybe because of age? lol.
Well done comparison. I have the Seiko and the Citizen. I have large wrists so the Flighty wear a bit small for my taste. The short lug to lug makes it wear very small.
I have a Citizen B877, an early version of this nighthawk with me as a daily for over 10 years and it's a great watch, although I've already replaced the capacitor last year, so don't count on it to last forever if you want one.
I just got both in, and I was going to send the Seiko back because I wasn't feeling it. Then I took it outside and let the sunlight hit it and I understood. I'm keeping both. I bought a leather band for the Flightmaster, the band just sucks. Regarding the Citizen, props to the designer that made the band of the Citizen, those wing shaped links are beautiful and the watch just feels like the right weight, so comfortable.
I own both watches. The general impression of the two watches simply gives the Citizen more quality feeling. The Seiko feels much cheaper in all aspects.
Can't make up my mind.. Both look nice. But actually, if I'll get a quartz at some point it's probably going to be Seiko recraft chrono, looks nice and vintage-y :)
I like the Citizen and the Seiko is my daily wear watch. It's a great 'vintage' watch :) For that price tho, I might have to pick up the Citizen as well!
you should have taken the citizen eco drive Navihawk Blue Angels looks more like your Seiko SNA411, got all the same button plus, than your Citizen Nighthawk.
Speaking as a qualified watch nerd, I feel Seiko had an opportunity to develop a massive horological icon here. namely sapphire crystal , signature d crown, better bracelet , TBH i have no issues with the standard as supplied and the fit & finish of the case is excellent even though made in china. The date window could be larger perhaps ? but am guessing its so small for engineering reasons? Its just a stonking watch !!!
I chose the Citizen over the Seiko. The unique way it provides GMT, the all-brushed finish, the internal bezel, and the solar-charged movement were key points. In my experience, there's no real need for a chronograph on a "flight" watch, and I have other chronographs.
I don't know if it's discontinued, they've been hard to find lately though. Whether it's worth that price is entirely up to you, but if I really wanted one I would pay it.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Aha, just like the Alpinest. Seems like Seiko is ending production on most of their entry-level models in favor of watches above $500-I guess that’s why they bought Orient in 2007? It’s a shame.
JustBlueFish Yeah I'm a Seiko fan.Like their business model alot.They make watches at $50 all the way up to $250,000 and cater to all demographics. Seiko is a true horological company, one of the few one's left.
The Citizen looks better overall but the Seiko has a better looking face imo but the band on the Seiko looks off, like it was an afterthought considering compared to the Citizen which has a much better "flow" visually. *Love Citizen but Seiko has some nice pieces also. If I could get the Citizen but with tht Seiko face, it would be perfect* 👌🏾
What i heard was that citizens dont use a battery they use capacitors which can last 25 to 50 years that is what ive seen in a/c units and that is in extreme enviroments its what i heard dont know for sure but makes for sense than a battery
How to Replace a Citizen Eco-Drive Watch Battery. ... Citizen Eco-Drive watches use light (natural or artificial) as their source of power, meaning they have no actual battery. Instead, they have a solar conversion panel and an energy cell that work together to convert light to electricity, which is what the watch runs on.
Steve K the watch relies on the power reserves in the storage cell which can power the watch for 6 to 8 months with no light source it uses a capacitor which stores power
I've seen a lot of Seikos that get the bezel markings warn away. That's a real plus in my book. Plus the GMT is really nice. I want to like it, but I've been disappointed with the citizen watches I have, they all feel cheap. The seikos just feel well made.
Love them both...I HATE the word NIGHTHAWK written on the Citizen. That would be the only reason I wouldn't buy it. The International version doesn't have that written on the dial though.
A more better matchip: Seiko flightmaster vs citizen blue angels. (BA). Almost one to one but with differences. Follow instructions the BA will set itself. Both have subdials and both have slide rules.
If you put this seiko in rotation with 5 or 6 other watches after 5 or 6 years do ya think all the complications are still working? I’m gonna get one of these two beautiful watches and I’m leaning towards the seiko but this question is a deciding factor??
The Citizen is amazing. I love that watch. In terms of design just perfect with integrated bezel which allows the flat crystal adjusted to the edge of the the case, as a true pilot has to be. And I like the integrated bezel also because is nice to turn it with the crown making that an extra feature that I find funny and more sophisticated than a normal rotary bezel. I just have one bad point of this watch, is too big for my small wrist. If Citizen wold make a 40mm (radio controlled) version it would be THE WATCH in my opinion.
How do you know when it is made in China or Japan? I am sure it is written down so somewhere with the purchase, but is there a general guideline, or is it based on certain models/price points?
It was rumored that they were discontinued a while back, but I still see them for sale at retailers online from time to time, so I don't really know for sure.
The lug-width on the Seiko is actually 21mm and not 20. It's an awkward size, as I've found to my annoyance. I have both of these in my collection, and it's hard to choose between them.
Can you please share your experience regarding Nighthawks' lume? I bought one two days ago and somehow I find the lume to be pretty weak. I mean it is visible all night but it takes a long time to charge and compared to my Orient Mako it is just weak...
Seiko case and bracelet look a bit “cheap”. Citizen looks like a better quality, more expensive watch. Citizen, with those hands, also looks easier to read the actual time. I would say for the frequent flyer, go Citizen, if you want a chronograph, go Seiko. It seems the Seiko “Flighty” has become a bit of a classic, so would probably hold a better resale value (especially if you can get hold of the rarer, sna413 or 414).
The majority of Seikos that are made for export I not typically made in Japan. The movement may be, but it's unlikely that the watch is, since it's not a JDM model. That said, I can't say I know one way or the other for certain.
9:00 They lie about that. I've had to replace at least one battery in every citizen eco-drive I own at some point, and they're fairly expensive batteries.
Seiko's own E6B-style Pilot chronograph. An alarm and chronograph ... or a dual time zone on a traditional mini-dial ... hardlex crystal ... 5-beat chrono second hand which looks like a traditional ticking mechanical second hand ... the nicely polished case on the Seiko's sides. Lots of aftermarket Synthetic Saphire crystals available for the Flighty ... plus a cult following, particularly for a Flighty with a French parachute elastic strap in olive green with a thin yellow center stripe. The dial just says "I'm PACKED with precision stuff!". Mine's averaging just over one second slow per month ... keeping up with my Bulova 262s! I didn't expect that from a standard 32KHZ crystal, man; that was a real surprise! And I have absolutely no problem with changing a battery in a quartz movement once every three years. Walk in the park and the battery runs $2.69.
Get the Flighty ... trust Seiko!
I like the Citizen slightly more because it has a somewhat more contemporary style. Also, I'm a recent convert to Eco Drive and am impressed with that feature.
It's a tough choice if I had to pick a favorite, both are excellent and I don't think you can go wrong with either.
My eco drive failed after 4 years?
@@Mark-sd7fc My uncle has 20 year old eco drive and he wears it everyday.
@@noname-bt9ky ya mine too lol
@@Mark-sd7fcoh really... What happened??
One of the best watch channels - really appreciate the non BS approach.
Thanks I appreciate that.
Both great watches! To make them even better (change movements, but keep the exact looks): - Nighthawk could be better if it was atomic (Citizen has the technology, already). - Flightmaster could be solar (Seiko has he technology, already).
Enjoyed your presentation very much mate. Nice clear, concise review of both watches & simple, no nonsense detailing of the differences between both watches. I have only recently become interested in collecting watches (Started off collecting Antique Pocket watches & now I am venturing into wrist watches) so a side by side review of these watches is a great help to someone like me who is just starting out. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching and for the feedback I appreciate. Glad the video was helpful. Enjoy the watch collecting journey and feel free to let me know if there's ever anything I can help with.
After looking at some comparison videos about the Nighthawk and the Flightmaster I like the Flightmaster more. So I wanted to get one but it was hard to find and owners were selling for a lot more. A few months back while I was in Costco I came across the blue Nighthawk and right away liked the looks of, so I decided to buy it thinking I wasn’t going to be able to buy a Flightmaster because of the price. Then a few weeks ago I got a notification from Massdrop that the Flightmaster was available so I bought it. Just recently I received it and was so excited to open it, but I was surprised about the quality of the watch. It looks smaller than the size also. Don’t get me wrong its still a nice watch but compared to my Nighthawk, the Flightmaster was a bit disappointing.
Thanks for watching.
I own both watches the Citizen gets more wrist time and it's so much easier to read at a glance.Also I love how the slide rule on the nighthawk functions.
Thanks for watching Peter, enjoy them!
Hi. But does your Citizen nighthawk watch have an Alarm, that you can set to Go Off each day at 4pm.?
The citizen looks like a field watch for use at a roulette table, The Seiko just looks more professional in my opinion.
Seiko is 21mm lug width.
Thanks for the clarification.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews I’ve watched just about every review on that seiko I can find and one says 20mm lug opening another says 21mm , and even another says 22mm lug opening??
A 22mm NATO strap snugs into that Seiko 21mm lug just fine; don't let that odd 21mm size deter you. Also, the hardlex crystal is vastly superior to plain mineral.
@@harpomarx7777 I love the domed crystal, gives the watch more depth.
I prefer the Seiko, like the yello second hand and the dial is not as busy on the left hand side also on the seiko ,, the red part on the citizen really puts me off that ,,,, cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Thanks for watching.
I prefer the Citizen! The build quality is better and it seems like a lot more thought has gone into trying to make the dial less cluttered. The milled swingarm on the bracelet as well as the signed crown at 3 o clock are details that usually call for a higher price. So at $200 this is a steal.
I’ve owned a Seiko for more than 25 years and I like it a lot. But I think the Citizen has one clear advantage: the internal bezel. I’ve had to replace the external one on the Seiko because it gets nicked and scratched a lot as part of normal wear and tear. To the point it gets illegible after a few years of wear.
I have both. Either one is a dive watch capable of 200m. Additionally having screw down crowns. Very nice features! The bracelet on the Citizen is absolutely stunning. The links are shaped like the side profile of a wing and is very sturdy. The Seiko bracelet was a deal breaker. It just looks cheap. I replaced it with two straps. A blue Nato and an authentic Marine Nationale strap. They're both beautiful watches!
My humble opinion is that the bezel on the Citizen is much smaller which makes the dial appear much larger.
Both beautiful watches. Nice review. I own the Seiko. Honestly Seiko watches just never die. In my opinion they have superior build quality over Citizen. I have two expensive Citizen Eco-drive watches that I am selling for parts simply because they both died.
I’ve heard the Citizens are reliable as well. Surprised to hear you’ve had problems. Thanks for sharing.
Try putting in sunlight, or having the capacitor replaced...
My oldest eco-drive is my daily watch and has been going for 15 years without any problems. It is pretty beaten-up though, so I wish both theses watches came in sapphire.
I've got my Q&Q watch for over 4 years, no battery changes, just teared brittle rubber strap that hydrated & normal use scratches.... No major issue...
The Seiko one looks more cool. 3 sub dials add extra beauty to the Seiko watch.
Thanks for watching.
I have both and suggest if you can afford both just do it. Both to me are exceptional for the price! Both look awesome and are really cool just to stare at.
But at the end of the day if I could only have one after owning both. I would go with the citizen. It feels more substantial than the Seiko.
I am grateful I don’t have to choose because the flighty makes me smile every time I look down at it.
Two great watches and a great comparison video. Thank you!!
Thanks for watching.
I prefer the Citizen. I think it seems better built and more solid. If you need a chronograph, you go with the Seiko. I am not a fan of chronographs so I see the Citizen as having more features I would personally prefer. Also eco-drive is the best quartz movement for me.
The Citizen felt a little to big but definitely quality. I'm leaning towards smaller watches lately.
The dial on the night Hawk in the middle or should I say the GMT looks like a roulette table
I have both and after 4 years my Nighthawk capacitor failed and cost me $95 to replace . There usually last MUCH longer but there is absolutely no truth to never replacing a component . I do not know how they still get away with claiming that.They are both great watches though .
Thanks for watching.
738polarbear my eco drive failed after around 5 years, I’m a fool for 200m water resistant Seiko’s so that’s where I’m going, tha iso much for this review it helped me make up my mind 🙂
Just ordered it yesterday 😉
I'd pick the Seiko over the Citizen solely because it's shorter lug to lug and visually smaller dial would look better on my smaller than average wrist. But I definitely prefer the finishing and angular style of the Citizen's case. I'd also have to think that the exposed markings on the Seiko's external bezel would be prone to wear over time, while the markings are all protected under the mineral crystal on the Citizen.
Yeah the Citizen has a lot going for it but the Seiko size is great.
I've had both and I like the citizen better. It feels and looks like a much better made watch. The nighthawk with a leather aviator style strap looks amazing.
Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it.
Can you please share your experience regarding Nighthawks' lume? I bought one two days ago and somehow I find the lume to be pretty weak. I mean it is visible all night but it takes a long time to charge and compared to my Orient Mako it is just weak...
My nighthawk just going out of the house for a minute would cause the lume to be really bright for about 5 minutes then it would get dim. Of coarse the brightness of the lume dims a bit after a while but at least it last a long time. Personally I just like the design of the citizen better than the seiko.
I also own both timepieces and have always favoured Seiko watches but I like my nighthawk more even though it lacks a chronograph and a alarm. MY Flightmaster is to busy.
I just bought the Citizen Blue Angel version on a bracelet and I love it! Both are great watches and you can't go wrong with either one but I prefer Citizen watches generally. Cheers...
Good Vid Guy ... Both nice watches, Seiko has a Chronograph but the Citizen has Eco Drive ... Citizen is over $50 less expensive at the moment ... tough choice ...
I thought they both came in at about $200, last time I looked around.
I think the knob for the internal bezel would make quick calculations slower and I would end up reaching for phone or tablet instead.
If the Seiko is brushed and is solar powered, it will be the better watch. As is, the Eco-Drive is the better watch but I prefer the perceived smaller size of the Seiko so I'd go with the Seiko Flightmaster. Great comparison video, thumbs up!
Thanks for watching.
To me the Citizen looks smaller from the front, also for attractive. I like the styling touches on the Citizen.
lume shots!!! alot of people will dig to look at reviews and lume shots. with these watches and more. just giving a lil hint to what people would want to see as well :)
Rayon George thanks for watching. I've tried to do lume shots before but my camera doesn't show it well and I have a lot of sunlight in my room where I film. I'll try to come up with a solution in the future.
JustBlueFish, go into your bathroom with a tripod, turn the lights off and do an extended exposure, probably 1/4 -2 second exposure would be plenty. Play around with exposure times and ISO settings until you get what you want. Most Samsung phones have the ability to do this kind of photography in the advanced camera settings.
If this is too much for you, you could also stack frames from a video into a single picture that has the same effect as a longer exposure. Either way you need the camera to be perfectly still during the shot to get a sharp looking picture.
I love the phrase both in your collection 😏
Also I went to nearest mall here and tried the Citizen Titanium watch, it was very light and comfortable.
TI is awesome.
I have two citizens watches. However i think Seiko watches is more beautiful and the face is match more nicer to. However i would say one thing the two most best Japanese watches at the moment now have always been citizens and Seiko watches.
Thanks fro watching Omar, and enjoy the Citizens.
Both are beautiful watches, both offer intricacies and complexities. My heart goes to Citizen Watch but my pocket only for seiko. Notheless Id like to keep both because I appreciate every level of craftsmanship that have been put into. Man so much history here.
If I had to pick I’m probably going with the Seiko.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews right, Seiko has stood the test of time and probably would spin forever. My dad still have his Seiko 5 automatic since I was eight and never appreciated it but now im 27 I started to love watches. Maybe because of age? lol.
Two great watches but I'd have to give the nod to the Seiko.
44mm lug to lug is quite rare for a 42mm diameter case, fun size.
It's definitely an interesting size that wears smaller than might be expected.
Seiko.
The chronometer pointer/hand is floating and that reminds me of an automatic movement.
That was the reason for buying. It looks stunning.
I've never seen a worse date window in my life as that citizen
Well done comparison. I have the
Seiko and the Citizen. I have large wrists so the Flighty wear a bit small for my taste. The short lug to lug makes it wear very small.
Thanks Mike appreciate it.
I have a Citizen B877, an early version of this nighthawk with me as a daily for over 10 years and it's a great watch, although I've already replaced the capacitor last year, so don't count on it to last forever if you want one.
I'm wearing my Flighty, just to watch this. Can't beat the Seiko with a stick.
You can if the stick is big enough!
Now I know exactly which one to get. I'll get the Flightmaster and then the Nighthawk after that. Tnx.
Thanks for watching.
@@JustBlueFish thank you, my pleasure.
If citizen make a chronograph on this model citizen will standout with seiko with an eco drive movement... winner
Appreciate the info
I just got both in, and I was going to send the Seiko back because I wasn't feeling it. Then I took it outside and let the sunlight hit it and I understood. I'm keeping both.
I bought a leather band for the Flightmaster, the band just sucks.
Regarding the Citizen, props to the designer that made the band of the Citizen, those wing shaped links are beautiful and the watch just feels like the right weight, so comfortable.
Most proper and well presented comparison. I think the Seiko has and odd 21 size bar
I own both watches. The general impression of the two watches simply gives the Citizen more quality feeling. The Seiko feels much cheaper in all aspects.
Thanks for watching and for sharing.
Can't make up my mind.. Both look nice. But actually, if I'll get a quartz at some point it's probably going to be Seiko recraft chrono, looks nice and vintage-y :)
I think I like the design/style of the Seiko better in some ways, but the Citizen might be the better watch.
I like the Citizen and the Seiko is my daily wear watch. It's a great 'vintage' watch :) For that price tho, I might have to pick up the Citizen as well!
Prefer the citizen. More elegant and seems better build. I plan to buy a nighthawk.
I think I like the style of the Seiko better but perhaps the build quality of the Citizen more.
I did owned a Nighthawk and now a SNA 413. I'd like to have both. They serve a purpose but the stopwatch and alarm of the seiko is really usefull
you should have taken the citizen eco drive Navihawk Blue Angels looks more like your Seiko SNA411, got all the same button plus, than your Citizen Nighthawk.
Speaking as a qualified watch nerd, I feel Seiko had an opportunity to develop a massive horological icon here. namely sapphire crystal , signature d crown, better bracelet , TBH i have no issues with the standard as supplied and the fit & finish of the case is excellent even though made in china. The date window could be larger perhaps ? but am guessing its so small for engineering reasons? Its just a stonking watch !!!
Aesthetic wise.. Seiko all the way.
I too prefer the Seiko. I have the exact one as here. Looks and feels like a watch 3 times it's value. The Citizen is nice tho
Looks like SNA411 may be discontinued. Its a very nice watch. I like the bubble top.
Shame if it does get discontinued. It's a great watch.
Nope I got one yesterday 😀
I chose the Citizen over the Seiko. The unique way it provides GMT, the all-brushed finish, the internal bezel, and the solar-charged movement were key points. In my experience, there's no real need for a chronograph on a "flight" watch, and I have other chronographs.
You lacked the luminosity of the two watches
I didn't watch whole video. I don't know whether you mentioned but The biggest difference between them is date. Seiko is 30th, Citizen 29th.
Wtf does that have to do with anything?
:)
Have they discontinued making the Seiko flightmaster? Can't find it anywhere except Amazon for $310, is it worth that much?
I don't know if it's discontinued, they've been hard to find lately though. Whether it's worth that price is entirely up to you, but if I really wanted one I would pay it.
Thanks
It is discontinued. That's cheap ; I paid today for my flightmaster 569$ (435 british pounds) ; I got the last one from amazon uk
Not my style, but it’s easy to appreciate the complications. On Amazon of Late May 2018, the Citizen is $200, Seiko $370.
The Sieko was discontinued, or is at least in short supply over the past 6 months, and the prices have been on the rise.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Aha, just like the Alpinest. Seems like Seiko is ending production on most of their entry-level models in favor of watches above $500-I guess that’s why they bought Orient in 2007? It’s a shame.
I have both and some days it's hard to decide which one to wear.
Dig the Seiko, but the eco-drive and build quality (I've handled both) put the Citizen well ahead IMO
Thanks for watching.
Would you please give a review about functionality of citizen ca0690-88l
nighthawk for 5 years...my favorite...
Just checked Amazon Seiko $285 Citizen $229
Amazon fluctuates so much day to day, that's not surprising.
Like the stock market on a bad week ... lol
haha
Both good looking watches but you get alot more features with the Seiko.Great review.
For me the choice is the Seiko but they're both nice. Glad to have had a chance to review them both.
JustBlueFish Yeah I'm a Seiko fan.Like their business model alot.They make watches at $50 all the way up to $250,000 and cater to all demographics. Seiko is a true horological company, one of the few one's left.
The date on the citizen is less than useless
i prefer the mucho macho aura of the citizen. the retrograde like design of the dual time feature is just a killer.
The Citizen over the Seiko, just a pity the Nighthawk doesn't come with the same bracelet as the Citizen 150 (Pro Diver).
Seiko feels higher quality from these pictures?
The Citizen looks better overall but the Seiko has a better looking face imo but the band on the Seiko looks off, like it was an afterthought considering compared to the Citizen which has a much better "flow" visually.
*Love Citizen but Seiko has some nice pieces also. If I could get the Citizen but with tht Seiko face, it would be perfect* 👌🏾
I have a citizen for 12 years haven’t replaced the battery
That's awesome, talk about a long battery life.
What i heard was that citizens dont use a battery they use capacitors which can last 25 to 50 years that is what ive seen in a/c units and that is in extreme enviroments its what i heard dont know for sure but makes for sense than a battery
How to Replace a Citizen Eco-Drive Watch Battery. ... Citizen Eco-Drive watches use light (natural or artificial) as their source of power, meaning they have no actual battery. Instead, they have a solar conversion panel and an energy cell that work together to convert light to electricity, which is what the watch runs on.
@@techierg1862 so what powers the Citizen in the dark?
Steve K the watch relies on the power reserves in the storage cell which can power the watch for 6 to 8 months with no light source it uses a capacitor which stores power
I've seen a lot of Seikos that get the bezel markings warn away. That's a real plus in my book. Plus the GMT is really nice. I want to like it, but I've been disappointed with the citizen watches I have, they all feel cheap. The seikos just feel well made.
They're so cheap I have both. Love the citizen on brown leather.
Thanks for watching.
Love them both...I HATE the word NIGHTHAWK written on the Citizen. That would be the only reason I wouldn't buy it. The International version doesn't have that written on the dial though.
Great original content. You're such a creative individual.
For me, it's the citizen... :-)
The seiko dial is to busy!
I have watches from both brands, and I like Seiko a lot, but Citizen always have a better craftsmanship in the same price range!.
Thanks for watching enjoy those watches.
Doesn't that hand run exactly with the hour hand? That makes it only military time.
The battery in the citizen works 26 years.
I prefer the Citizen. So much so that I bought one)))
Can't go wrong with the Citizen.
A more better matchip:
Seiko flightmaster vs citizen blue angels. (BA).
Almost one to one but with differences. Follow instructions the BA will set itself.
Both have subdials and both have slide rules.
If you put this seiko in rotation with 5 or 6 other watches after 5 or 6 years do ya think all the complications are still working? I’m gonna get one of these two beautiful watches and I’m leaning towards the seiko but this question is a deciding factor??
I would expect either of them to work for 5 years. That said anything can fail. Cars, iPhones, watches, there’s no guarantee.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews thanks for the fast response it’s appreciated
Hi. So Am to understand that the Citizen does NOT have an alarm function.??
No alarm on the Citizen
The Citizen is amazing. I love that watch. In terms of design just perfect with integrated bezel which allows the flat crystal adjusted to the edge of the the case, as a true pilot has to be. And I like the integrated bezel also because is nice to turn it with the crown making that an extra feature that I find funny and more sophisticated than a normal rotary bezel.
I just have one bad point of this watch, is too big for my small wrist. If Citizen wold make a 40mm (radio controlled) version it would be THE WATCH in my opinion.
Thanks for watching.
But does your Citizen nighthawk watch have an alarm that you can set to Go Off every day at say 4pm.??
I like the Seiko better but its made in china and prefer to stick with Japanese Seiko's
Thanks for watching.
How do you know when it is made in China or Japan? I am sure it is written down so somewhere with the purchase, but is there a general guideline, or is it based on certain models/price points?
@@andreykashin1729 Japan made quartz movement, watch assembled in China so therefore made in China.
Great video. Thanks for comparing them.
Are those flightmasters still in production?
It was rumored that they were discontinued a while back, but I still see them for sale at retailers online from time to time, so I don't really know for sure.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews mine was made December 2019
The lug-width on the Seiko is actually 21mm and not 20. It's an awkward size, as I've found to my annoyance. I have both of these in my collection, and it's hard to choose between them.
Thanks for the clarification and thanks for watching.
Can you please share your experience regarding Nighthawks' lume? I bought one two days ago and somehow I find the lume to be pretty weak. I mean it is visible all night but it takes a long time to charge and compared to my Orient Mako it is just weak...
Sorry, I'm not qualified to comment on the lume as it's not something I use or pay attention to. I don't know what constitutes "good lume".
I have two Casio watches that are the Poor Man’s Seiko. I found the comparison useful. Thanks.
IMO the flightmaster is such a better watch that it isn't even a comparison. The Citizen looks like a piece of junk.
is it me or the Citizen's second hand has a terrible misalignment?
It's a capacitor not a rechargeable battery! Totally two different things mate..
Seiko case and bracelet look a bit “cheap”. Citizen looks like a better quality, more expensive watch. Citizen, with those hands, also looks easier to read the actual time. I would say for the frequent flyer, go Citizen, if you want a chronograph, go Seiko. It seems the Seiko “Flighty” has become a bit of a classic, so would probably hold a better resale value (especially if you can get hold of the rarer, sna413 or 414).
En esta me quedaré con citizen
Thanks for watching.
Seiko looks nicer,
where to buy the citizen for France please ?
In a doggy laneway!
You sound like my fav actor mr cool Steve McQueen.
I don't hear Steve McQueen. I do hear Dick Cavett though.
i go CITIZEN !
Thanks for watching.
Are they japan made?
The majority of Seikos that are made for export I not typically made in Japan. The movement may be, but it's unlikely that the watch is, since it's not a JDM model. That said, I can't say I know one way or the other for certain.
9:00 They lie about that. I've had to replace at least one battery in every citizen eco-drive I own at some point, and they're fairly expensive batteries.
I've been suspicious of that claim for a while.
I must confess, I have a ten year old old Eco drive, still works fine.
That's awesome, I can't wait to see how some of my watches hold up over the course of a decade of use and abuse. Thanks for watching and the comments.
Leggo My Ego besides the battery issue the date windows are always hard to read
The lifetime battery is a recent claim as Citizen continues to improve the technology.
Doesn’t really use a battery they call it a storage cell or a capacitor that’s wat I heard
Yeah, I think that's true. Thanks for watching.