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- More classic oldies, the beautiful BSA Superstar, the brave and advanced Webley Eclipse and the not so classic Gamo Polaris. Tony also chats about the general licenses . Also Freddie the fly puts in another special guest appearance ;)
It’s a shame these ended, always informative and great to watch...
Yes you are right I always wonder why they stopped this show...
@@byson8653 I was wondering why they stopped... obviously we have had a slight "interlude" but interested to find out what happened..
Another really entertaining, nostalgic and thought provoking episode.
A top quality up to date " Goldstar " would be great, I'm sure it would sell well also. I had an Eclipse, cleaned out inside of the cylinder with 400grit. Literally transformed the performance. As always gentlemen, excellent stuff. Keep um coming 👍
Great to hear some positive talk about BSA thanks for that. I hope they do come up with a quality springer a lot of people are talking about being bored with pcp now.
Trouble with our sport we have to creep around in the shadows, we need some one to champion and speak up for us.
Why don't we have the same events and meetings like our friends in the states, must look better when people see a well run event with young and old male and female enjoying them selfs. We need to build our sport not have it knocked down brick by brick.
Corvid Stalker I and my wife Danni Layton completely agree with what your saying. We have just had another article put out in an American airgun magazine. We need to throw away this old pipe smoker way of doing things and make it modern and fun for the next generation. We learn from and respect the past but the future needs modern exiting folk that more kids can relate to. And yes we all have to shoot safely but let’s not be afraid to say shooting is huge FUN .
I concur ...not sure i spelled that right
Love the channel guys, really enjoy your chat with Tony. Keep them coming guys!!
King words, thank you sir :)
Brings back memories of my BSA mercury challenger- Destroyer of Bunnies, Woodpidgeonbane.
Now that Covid restrictions are lifting, it would be great to see you fellas back on air, still waiting for the HW97 vs TX200 review.
I have spoken to Tony but he's a busy man and said it could be a couple of months before he is free :(
@@LloydSchober
Just wanted to say I hope you are recovering after your accident, I didn't find out
about it until I visited the BAR site a few days ago, I was really sorry to hear about
it mate, keep your chin up we are all rooting for you.
@@tonyb4326 Slowly getting there. Going to be a frustrating 6 months but at least I'm alive :)
@@LloydSchober
That's good to hear Lloyd, take it easy mate, I, like many others miss you and Tony
Hot air was definitely one of the best air gun channels on you tube.
Any way take it easy mate, hopefully we will see you back on you tube one day
fingers crossed.
Great vid as always. Thanks guys.
Nice to hear some positive BSA vibes, having bought few guns from you Lloyd, including my R10 SE which I love, I've also got an SE Ultra, which for the money is an amazing rifle.... but I'm biased.
Either way, the main thing is, we keep the Sport / Pastime alive and show the younger end, there's more to life than a bloody Xbox !!
Ta Roj
Yes, bring it back. The Top Gear of air guns
Great show ...the recent news headlines is shocking grandfather shooting his grandson and killing him with what sounds like a home tuned rifle the news said a £20 kit turned it into a firearm...so sad...
Another awesome show guys, keep them coming.
Never had a BSA, but I'm now very interested, great video as always 👍🏻
Great show Guy's, some fascinating stuff there.
Great show as always thanks guys
The Superstar was my first air rifle.
wow so glad i found this channel, hope you guys do more videos soon!
We are building a range so we can do some proper range testing , you will definitely see more videos but with added shooting :)
Great show as usual guys.
I loved my Superstar and the Theoben gas ram version too, brilliant gun and I miss it.
I think it was about £120 when it came out was it not?
Totally agree with you Lloyd, BSA need to do a new version of the goldstar and even the superstar for that matter.
Great stuff just subscribed to your channel thanks to the cultural exchange with American air-gunner you guys are great .
Loved the first part, lovely (to look at) old guns, please MORE.
General license, we do need to watch our PS&Qs, that is the smart thing to do, however I understand people getting hot under the collar , the people who brought the court case did not care how many farmers went under (and still may) due to losses incurred because of the ban, to take away a families living and the many serious issues that brings, including suicide (high among Farmers already) without a buy or leave is to ME unforgivable.
Excellent discussion. I started feeding myself with a BSA Airsporter when I was 15 in 1972, and apart from a 5 year period in the '80's, Ive always owned at least one air rifle at a time, pneumatics, multi pumps, the lot. I was lucky enough to own a Goldstar springer in the early nineties, and had more success and more game with it tha any rifle of any type before or since. I absolutely loved it, went to great lengths to actually find spare mags for it, and during the time I owned it, I didnt use anything else. Sadly, I owned it around that weird time in the '90's when Merseyside police would comfiscate airguns for no reason other than you having them and I got random traffic stopped on my way to work when it was in the boot of my car, they took it and try as I might, I couldn't get it back. I even produced my insurance to shoot on two permissions (one farm on the Wirral and one near Chester) but to no avail; within a few weeks I couldnt even get them to tell me where it was or what happened to it, so I moved on (to a Theoben R7, and at the time I was a bit of a lone voice in thinking it horrible). I'd love to see BSA produce a new version, or variant, but, as you say here, made by them in the BSA plant. I never had the chance to try the Theoben SLR, but a close friend had one, never used it, and wouldnt part with it, the bugger
This is must be a big bloody cup of tea, it's taking over 4 months to drink it.
The show is on hold at the moment until we get the range built :)
Had a BSA Supersport back in the day and bought another one because I loved it so much, along with the Birmingham Longbow I will always regret selling! Also inherited my late friends Meteor, and really fancy a look at Spitfire pcp. I'd buy another Birmingham gun in a heartbeat, please BSA!
Hey guys, aren’t you making these any more?? Real shame, they’re great to watch and really enjoyable.
Hope you can zoom back into production soon... cheers from the states.
Not at the moment James, but after lockdown we will :)
@@LloydSchober brilliant- looking forward to it & the new normal of course.
Now living in New England you’re a lifeline to all things airguns.
Stay safe both...
Just found this channel too. I'm a Brit living out here in the states. I got back into air guns so I could shoot in the back yard while staying away from the range during the covid days. Hope you make more videos soon!
@@martinc5782 which state are you in mate ? I’m in New Hampshire...
@@jamesbrewer2398 I'm way down in South Alabama mate.
Love watching Hot Air!! When’s the next one coming guy’s? It’s been two years now. 😢😢👍👍👍😃
Love watching you two. Most enjoyable air gun channel.on YT . I'd love to see you discuss and review more classic Springer pistols though. Make it so ! Cheers
Thanks for the very kind comment and yes , I will be doing more pistol stuff :)
Another great show guys. Keep it up.
Great show guys thanks very interesting, Cheers
I had one as a kid my first brand new gun and I loved it. Wicked gun
Err... Lloyd, what are you on about with the Superstar "if you cocked the rifle whilst the breach was closed" ??? I think you meant to say something like 'if you tried to open the breach whilst the rifle was not cocked you may damage the seals'
Yes, think I remember when the gun was in the fired state there was permanent pressure on the breech.
@@derektodd4126 That's right Derick.
That's what i meant sorry. That's what you get for being unscripted :)
Any plans to do more of these videos, chaps? This is one of the few airgun channels I enjoy. None of the others offer the kind of insight, history, oddities and banter found on Hot Air. Hope to see more.
We will do more , just been a difficult year with Covid, but when things settle we will start again . Thanks for watching , appreciate yoru comments :)
@@LloydSchober Cushty. Good to hear.
@@LloydSchober please do more. We miss ya 😎👍
The Superstar needed a decent muzzle weight on the front to look like the HW97K. I have a .22 Theoben Superstar with a Theoben Slimline silencer its great.
They should definitely bring back the goldstar under lever! Only now people are paying attention to multi shot springers yet bsa did it years ago and it was great. I do miss some of the old classics.
Just passed my 1948 bsa cadet major to my grandson. Still works perfectly and very accurate
Beautiful little gun , he should be over the moon !
Please come back we miss you both. 😉
We will be back as soon as we have finished the new range :)
@@blackpoolairrifles9311 😉❤️
Loved the springer bit, by the way Tony my Brocock Independent broke. Not got the fly yet I see, do you need to apply for a General Flycence?
They cant shoot it now it has a name! Freddies got his own show coming soon!
Correct, can't shoot it, -too much paperwork
You should do a video on theoben if you can get a hold of any of them call it all things theoben
I think we need more magazine fed quality springers.
Problem with the Eclipse was that by 1988 the FT scene had swung towards PCP. As the Airarms Shamal was out then .
Tony, Do Daystate have any plans to ever make a springer? Or has Daystate ever been down the prototype route? You must have considered it surely especially with Daystates forward thinking and innovation 🤔 perhaps an electronic springer for the masses is in order 😜 I know many of the shooting forums mention Air Arms and want them to make a break barrel again it would be very interesting to see Daystate make a springer 😎
Daystate is really all about pcp, and as the pioneers of that tech, doesn't really have an interest in spring piston style of guns. Can't talk about prototypes, official secrets act ya' know
The rotary tap was a brilliant idea, the length of the transfer port wasn't really an issue (read some recent articles by Jim Tyler in AGW on that), I had one with a worn out spring which was still right up there at the legal limit after a basic polish and lube, but the cocking effort was ultra low. The breech couldn't be opened unless the rifle was cocked as the piston seal was up against it. Shame they never made an updated one with a better trigger.
Another really interesting video. Well done lads. You mention BSA bringing a new high end springer out, the forums keep bringing up people hankering for a high quality Air Arms break barrel, maybe there’s a market for top quality springers. I think people would buy them
There is definitely a market in the UK but most manufacturers are more interested in PCP's because they are generally more profitable. Sometimes we forget the airgun industry doesn't revolve around the UK anymore but let's hope that someone wants to fill the niche . A new BSA Goldstar, a Lightweight Weihrauch Hw97 or an Air arms Pro-elite Mk2 would be wonderful .
Hot Air Spot on. People need to let them know there’s a demand. As British shooters we are getting used to everything seeming to go to the USA first, especially as an FX owner! They sometimes forget the UK exists it seems.
A show dedicated to FAC springers would be interesting... Patriot, HW 80, Eliminator etc. ......
I think we would struggle to get them, plus I'm weak and feable and couldn't cock a patriot.
Possibly , but we have so many other things to cover I think it will be a while before we get round to it
Lloyd just going back to the cheek piece stud in that stock was the sling stud actually being used to attach a sling on that stock? I know an ex army club member that used to have a metal pin on the cheek piece of his air rifle it was used as cheek weld muscle memory thing so his head position was always in the correct position to avoid any parallax error. Must have been uncomfortable having it digging in but I get the reason why...Perhaps the stock you encountered had a similar reason behind it? although a full on sling stud in the cheek would be even more uncomfortable 😂
I have HW90k I restored it from a non working gun ,I replaced the trigger and reblued the gun and polished the stock and its the finest rifle that does not need tuning
I have a webley mk3 with a rare maple stock and just invested in an eclipse. The bsa lightning is the best springer they made i think
In my opinion, although the Lightning was a good gun and sold very well, I still have a soft sp[ot for the Goldstar because of the 10 shot magazine :)
Would like the general licence bit to be a bit clearer, the general licences (of which there were more than one) described what birds you could shoot and under what circumstances. They did not have to be applied for, but they were a bit woolly and had not been reviewed/revised since being introduced in the 80s, hence them being declared not fit for purpose by natural englands lawyers following the challenge.This has led to a more robust set of general licences being introduced. It was only an interim measure by natural england where by you had to apply for a licence to shoot specific birds. The removal of the general licences occurred at a bad time for farmers and landowners, right in the middle of lambing season/when crops at there most vulnerable from damage hence the high profile.
I have a HW 90k it’s great and I think your slant on that is from a salesroom banter
with all the regs you stated ie having to exhaust all other options to deter crows, magpies and the like before resorting to shooting, this direct is never shown or referenced in the sitting videos on line. they seem to show shooters just shooting birds on permissions without referencing then having tried all other options to relieve the problem.
Another problem with the Eclipse alloy cylinder was that it was more susceptible to temperature changes due to expansion which caused m.e. variations.
You're only jealous because you don't have one... 😉
Are you sure? ;-)
@@MrJoshuaJJJ not any more
Make BSA great again!
just got a notification of a new update but it says private?
In Answer to the Sub 12 ft/lb question - who wants to buy divers bottles, compressors & pumps !!
OK so maybe the 100 rats a night brigade do, but Springers are more Fun & the Air is FREE.
I like FREE!!!! The recoil from a springer is all part of the airgun experience IMHO.
Please come back
We will, just had a busy year :)
@@LloydSchober good!
I like shooting and I like animals. I don't think I would like shooting animals though. I do however understand that it sometimes has to be done. My parents live in the Yorkshire Dales and told me about a girl from a farming family who was in tears because of crow attacks during this most recent lambing season. I understand that birds can also be a pest as they defecate in feed and eat seed before it has grown. I don't think I would enjoy pest control but I am thankful that some people do.
I am of the same school, Nathanael Smith. Owner of a pet rabbit, I could never bring myself to dispatch the same yet have no trouble with folks who do. I am not shy watching videos of rabbit hunts, it's just not for me. Wild rabbits roam my garden and they are the luckiest rabbits that still live while I'm slinging pellets at poor defenseless paper targets in their vicinity.
where has hot air gone??
Hey Lloyd, great show I love it...anyway was wondering why you don't like the HW 90, what specifically can you tell about this rifle...I read about the "Elite" trigger being not as excellent as the "Rekord", but still a good, crisp unit, as well...what' s your experience on this gas ram model? Thanks and keep doing these shows
A few things, its too heavy, the trigger isn't quite as precise as the Rekord , it doesn't shoot as well as it should for an expensive rifle but the main thing, the ram isn't as reliable, easy or as cheap to fix as a spring and only offers one advantage in that you can leave it cocked without any harm. To me it's pointless when you can just buy a Hw95 which shoots as well, is lighter and much cheaper.
WAS going too comment , but my dogs just farted and ive gorra vacate the room ...
When is the next episode
One going up this week but then a delay until we get the range built, probably November this year.
will you guys return? and do a video tx200 vs weih 77
I'd love to do more . Just hard to get Tony nailed down but the channel is not dead !
Just found this channel.
Where have you gone ?
We have both been busy but will be back :)
@@blackpoolairrifles9311
Great stuff, I cannot wait :)
Hw 90k I have one and it out shoots a lot of my others the trigger was designed to be reset able
At 28:33 "I can hear the cattle whistling."
I wanted to ask if your studio was near animals what, with all the flies that make guest appearances on your show!
Kettle whistling ...We have an old fashioned kettle for making tea. I do live in the country so yes , there's a few flies :)
if BSA could make a springer as accurate as the HW97 as light as the Sussex Armory Jackal I would buy it!
Hard to achieve, lightweight and accuracy. Although they could make a recoiling sled gun I have a feeling it would be too expensive.
Where did hotair go?????
I bought a bsa lightning recently and it’s terrible I’ve spent many a night trying to get it to work but it groups like a shotgun. I’m absolutely gutted as it’s a light and good looking gun
It will probably be a Gamo made one. They do tend to recoil a lot and the light weight doesn't help. If you want lightweight and good look at the Weihrauch Hw95.
Watching this bit regarding bsa and gamo, recently hear they are both now owned by a USA banking corporation,? Cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Yes, I've heard the same Shane .
Where in Lancashire is your shop?
Blackpool Air Rifles , Blackpool :)
Hi just a quick question I saw an LGU unboxing by Lloyd 5 years ago and the price was 349.99 can you tell me why five years later I can't find one for less than 470 thanks
Prices go up but for some unexplained reason Walthers went up a lot . One of the reasons we don't sell them anymore.
@@LloydSchober thanks 👍
It's sad that spring and gas piston rifles have really stopped progressing, back in the day company's had to make very nice rifles if they wanted to sell now a days company's produce crap I have not seen a nice springer sence the days of Webley in England, Theoban rifles, bsa, 😒
Is hot air finished ?
No, just on a hiatus with the pandemic and we've both been quite busy so its just getting the timing right :)
I had a dream (not a nightmare)
Lloyd and Tony where waxing lyrical about the "new" Daystate Rifle, the best way I could describe it was as, The Safari Bullpup,
Bottle, forward charging lever, GCU 2.0, ART Barrel, DROOL
Please tell me its true, and put me down for a .25 FAC.
PS please poke Hill pumps, we want a compressor update.
Missing you folks, any chance?.
You need help ;) Next time I speak to Tony I'll ask him about the Safari and yes, the Hills pump is long overdue. I'll try and get an update for you .
@@LloydSchober Thanks Lloyd, but remember its the new "bullpup" version , The one they have not released yet,
and yes, I do need help, it is so kind of you to offer ;).
The very best of luck to you.
Would it be possible to use the same method of licence procurement used by anglers, online purchase, specific species , f.a.c. shotgun or airgun, etc
That's not a bad idea. However, it would be more complex (much more so) than angling licences. There are essentially only two types of angling licence - coarse fish and non-migratory trout and all trout, salmon and coarse fish. Still, it's worth investigating.
It is a general licence, nothing remotely like a fishing licence. The general licence is a cover all licence for the commonest pest birds and any landowner, or their authorised people, in England can shoot pest birds within certain strict parameters without holding a plastic card, or a piece of paper. The terms of the licence can be downloaded, but you don't carry it round with you, nor do you have to do bag returns. Only the shooting of birds like, say, cormorants require a specific (as opposed to general) licence.The biggest problem with this edition of Hot Air is that it has added to confusion by being posted on here on July 2 when the new Defra general licences were reissued weeks ago. In the time between revocation by Natural England and reissue by DEFRA people had to apply for specific licences to shoot common pest birds like crows and woodpigeons. IMHO, Hot Air should've have scrapped this particular section if they were unable to post up-to-date content. This tape must've been shot May/Early June.
When are you putting out a new video
We will start again by the end of the year
It’s getting too much chat not enough guns guys, pls pls more guns
BSA GOLD STAR TOP AIR GUN
Hey Lloyd, I once had a Patriot, you sold one of those before?
Yes mate. I remember them and sold a few. Not really Webleys finest hour ;)
Really enjoy this channel except for the opening music. You said yourself and Tony were going to do a weekly video, what happened have you both been too busy or has your enthusiasm wained. It's a shame knowledgeable people talking passionately about our hobby.
Hi Andrew. We have both been extremely busy , but we also didn't want to record again until we get the testing range finished and at the moment it's underwater. Expect to see us again sometime in spring :)
How long has the 12 ft lb law been in , please shane uk 🇬🇧
You back again soon????
missing ya
Probably by August / September when hopefully everythings closer to normal .
Blackpool Air Rifles looking forward to it
Why no more videos???????
😷👽😷👽😷👽🤬🤬🤬
The Pandemic :(
@@LloydSchober The pandemic (if there is such a thing) dosen't stop you filming.
@@heithwatkins So when we were locked down ( which was most of the pandemic remember) how does Tony travel 200 miles to the studio ?
Something flies out of the safety-catch here: czcams.com/video/usPFSCVW904/video.html
Guys, five months is long enough break. When is next show, please 👍
When we get the range finished and the weathers a touch better :)
Blackpool Air Rifles really enjoy your show, very well done.
Lloyd , when are you and Tony back ?
Hard to say at the moment. Tony is really busy and we also want to build the shooting range for testing but the field is underwater . Best guess probably late Spring.
hw 90 great trigger major improvement over the 80 all round
The only thing the 90 trigger could do was re-engage the safety easily at the expense of being less reliable and not as good as the rekord unit feel wise . Overall I think it was a downgrade.
@@LloydSchober owned many 90's and I am aware that the gun had a reputation for having problems. Never came across a problem trigger other than the one time and on stripping the gun down found the trigger unit had been incorrectly rebuilt. I believe most problems arose as a result of messers. Either way I much prefer the feel of the 90's trigger
The Eclipse, a great rifle with flaws. Gas rams were a cylinder killer too, if anything, they were harder on it than a spring. The trigger is notoriously difficult to assemble, and not brilliant when you managed to get it back together. And the thread in the barrel weight - try your plumber's merchant for a reducer, I found one which was 1/2" unf female and the male was the same as whatever size Webley used (it may be 17x1mm but don't take my word for it), and I just turned the nut section off on a lathe. But that tap is brilliant despite the perceived tp length, no danger of trapping fingers there :)
i was interested in a webley mastiff but can find anyone in the usa that has them/ do you know of anyone!
We don't sorry. Might be worth asking the UK importer for Webley, Highland Outdoors, you can find their details on google :)
Any chance you can shoot that damm fly !! 😁
You leave Freddie alone !
16.46 wtf was that?
That was the special guest appearance by Freddie the fly , he's been on the last three shows .
I had to watch that bit again, first thought was Tony had broken the safety.
@@henrymoreland8719 MY FIRST THOUGHT TOO
7 months from your last video, I thought CZcams was not letting me know of your new video But No you guys are Slackers! I know you have a life away from CZcams But half a year? Anyway hope all is well with you and look forward to your future videos!
We have both been very busy . Tony is back at Daystate and I'm back in the shop permanently but I'm sure come summer we will be back on air :)
Glad all is well, enjoy your videos!
Taking a shot at a live target with a springer is all about breathing & timing - unlike PCP off a tripod or sticks!! - I enjoy watching the 100 rats a night guys but the outcome is pretty well predictable.
Keep it up guys & kill as many rats as you can, but maybe a few rats with a springer for old times sake!!
This Channel is Dead , sad, sad, sad ! These Information were great ! And very amusing
another story of a quality british company selling out to foreign investment.hopefuly brexit may change that.
I wanted a bsa superten so bad as a kid and the spring one with the magazine i never liked theoben they made one too but it was all blergh..the new artimis m16d looks like a superten big time
By the way I build rifles
What happened to this channel
On hiatus at the moment until I can get Tony on the show again.
Sound quality poor. Like the show.
New microphone already purchased :)
I have an mk1 airspoter s and an mk1 mercury s and airsporter mk6 in .177 and .22 they have never let me down but i would no longer buy a new bsa unless they start making them in the uk again. I have heard and seen all the horror stories about the spanish made rubbish. BSA take note.
They already know, all they have to do now is act and start making proper British BSA's again :)
The supper star was much better than the HW77 in .177 i loved mine
All comments from 3 months ago 🥴 your audience is dissipating 💨
Apart from the 15 comments under 3 months ago ;) It's an old topical video, thats completely normal .