Episode 23 - " That's A Fake "
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2024
- Ian & Gareth have a friendly debate about collecting rare and vintage Air Rifles & if changing the internals detracts from the provenance of the Rifle.
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Springs, piston seals, breach seals, are consumables. IMOA
Serviceable parts should be changed to keep the original performance....
The Venoms that fetch the most money are the ones that are aesthetically pleasing-custom stock, engraving, custom barrels, and so on. A Venom-tuned rifle with busted internals is just a brick with a Venom sticker. Within the spirit of the Venom guys, they made these modifications to improve the rifles both functionally and aesthetically. It’s hard to believe they wouldn’t want you to restore or upgrade the rifle as needed to keep it performing superbly. So, if the person who now owns the Venom trademark swaps the internals, it’s still considered an original Venom because he owns the name? But if someone else does it, it’s not original anymore? That’s just silly. Great debate tho. Loved it.
Repair or upgrade but keep the old parts.
Was it Gerald cardew who designed the airmasters 88 or John bowket.. Remember that rifle well, I bought a sportsmatch GC2 as it was being released
John Welham was Airmasters
Great show and interesting. Going with the car theme. An oldie getting some refresher work done, wouldn’t it be a resto-mod? And put it in a completely different category from vintage out of the box stock and or a full modded modern versions?
Venoms arnt really about how they shoot in my opinion , of course they did excellent tuning work that was detrimental to how the gun shot and was way ahead of it’s time and is a staple of what tuners do now, but it was the customisation of what they did to a plain and let’s face it, old German boring gun that set them aside. The vantage stock and the Hunter thumbhole, the Hornet later on
These guns are works of art. Beautiful English things that only an Englishman can make.
We should be proud of what Steve and the boys did back then and what a lot of boys are doing now .
I love thar OG 35 venom on the left in the tyrolean but for me the ISP / Edward’s one of Gareth’s wins everytime
Absolute modern classic
Well done boys wicked vid
I still wish I had my venom 80 😢
My take on original is the same as my classic series landrover , to keep it on the road or keep your gun shooting sometimes you have to change parts, just keep it in the spirit it was made as close as possible, got into a big argument on here with a company that are taking out perfectly good engines out of classic cars and modifying to electric.
Don blocksidge. King of the engraver! 👌
Each to their own I suppose..personally I can't understand people who have things they can't or don't use..great competition BTW and thanks for giving people the opportunity to win a beautiful rifle, I've entered 🤞🤞
Hello Gentlemen,
Thank you for our latest edition of Hot Air. I'm not vastly experienced in air rifles, though super keen.
I think the problem with older Venom tuned air rifles is that there are consumables involved that will wear out eventually. The older the air rifles are, the more likely they've been used, the more likely I would think parts have been replaced.
If it were me, I'd want to keep my kit in tip top form. So, I think I'd replace what required renewing, though keep a logbook with photographs of what I'd replaced and write notes so nothing is forgotten or can't be argued.
My Venom tuned air rifle, then wouldn't be venom tuned, in my eyes.
I wouldn't be keen at all in buying a Venom tuned older air rifle as there are too many people to trust and I don't fancy that idea.
If the gentleman who's purchased the Venom name from Webley, was making new Venom tuned air rifles, and I wanted one, I'd buy one, though produce a logbook with it, in case I needed to sell and produce an honest account of its history, everything timed and dated.
I grew up in the eighties. I'd have loved an air rifle. The closest I came was to reading my dad's Airgun World when he was at work. The name Venom still makes my knees buckle. I wouldn't, however, even think about buying an older Venom tuned air rifle because there's too many people to rely on and to tell the truth.
I'd rather buy a new quality air rifle from a quality manufacturer, made with all the latest materials, knowing it would last, with a warranty and knowing exactly what had happened to it.
Sorry to drag on, everyone, but that's my honest opinion.
Best wishes, Ian.
Difference to a wall hanger or highly functional rifle.
I personally think this is one of your best episodes...Indeed the debate is pertinent. Many of the Venom rifles were indeed an internal tune of the 'Power Plant' - Spring & Guide, Piston & seal - from my perspective, if these have been replaced with modern 'standard' internals (I would except VMach Piston seals and Springs being acceptable replacements - VMach has the Venom DNA via Steve Pope) it really cant be a Venom. I have a genuine Venom HW 35 'O ringed' Piston, which I'm putting into a 1976 HW 35 which I'm restoring - however I will never pass it of as a Venom, because apart from the Piston, its a standard 35 which as a whole, never been touched by Ivan, Dave(RIP) or latterly Steve(RIP). Keep up the great work
Great content Maybe go through a gun that is genuine
And a fake in close up . This would be useful information
Some fakes are so good or bad depending on your point of view. Money is tight and fakes will become more common.
Cheers lads
Venom made back in the day were the real deal,could never afford 1 on my paper round but was lucky enough to get a verified hw80 lazaglide last year in a maple gary cane stock,it shoots mint so im lucky that nothing needs doing to it...if i had 1 that needed tweeking up then i would get it done...as for venom selling their name...well thats all they sold,the bame not their work!.some great tuners out there today that do work as good as, but if i bought a gun from whoever purchased the name in my opinion it would not be a venom.
Great video lads,keep up the good work 👍🏻
ISP mk4 in left handed just needs setting up The lacquer is still wet lol
Just upgraded the brakes on my norton , saving up for a venom but it's a velocette, have a great day lads n thanks for the education 😊
If the piston cylinder ring is cracked on a motor, it needs to be replaced and shouldn't affect the overall value of the car or bike. Engines have parts that wear out or fail, same with air guns and replacing parts (with originals if possible) should apply. Mind you, I would still like to know if it's all 100% original or been refurbed. If I bought it as a collectable rather than a shooter (I can't imagine buying anything I don't want to shoot) it's not as important if it's inaccurate, underpowered and basically useless, I wouldn't pay top end price for it though like I would an original in good working condition.
Very informative very interesting information thank you guys for doing what you do, really enjoy your content, and I learn something every time I watch your channel, thank you 😊
I think it's nice to use the gun in good order if possible, and if you need to change anything on it just keep the original parts in a box , so if you ever sell it you can pass the original
Parts with it .
Great as ever , when I was in the shop the other week, you had a Sandwell field sports HW ?? I looked a really nice gun
Loving the content on the channel. I'm after a air arms se90 used to have one many years ago. Would definitely want to use it. Been looking for ages. Nothing about.
Look forward to your video's, keep up the good work
Hi Darren. I have an SE90 in as new condition if you are interested. Let me know.
@@majorscope
Yes I'm interested
Can you send me any information about the rifle and cost please
@@darrenbowker8837 Hi Darren. I don't know where you are. I am in Dorset. The gun is almost like new. I think £350-00 is a fair price. I would guess it has not seen much use. Not sure how to contact you direct. Bit difficult on youtube as i am not very good with it. Let me know what you think. Regards, David.
@majorscope I'd be happy with that . I'm in the Midlands. I would have to pay for delivery or you could do it through your local gun shop and they send it ro my gun shop.
Obviously would he a charge at your end which I'd be happy to pay.
@@darrenbowker8837 Hi Darren, I have a plan. I will check with my cheapest local gunshop for dispatch.I will then give you a name and phone number. You can ring them and give them your info. They will give you mine and we should be good to go. Also if you are a collecter i have just been offered a TX200SR in the same condition for not silly money. I will get back to you. Regards, David.
I had a hw35e considered by many to be a classic. Owned it over 40 years.
Binned it last week because I finally realised it was actually a piece of old junk.
You must be a mupet to do that
@johnfiore9390 yes I am a muppet ha ha, but I don't regret dumping that hw35e. It was a bag of shit, never got it to shoot right. My mate bought one as well at the same time. Don't think his was much cop either. Both bought from optima leisure products back in the late 1970s. About £80 at the time.
@@jjohnson-stoker expression... work man always blames his tools ..
Must of been a fake one then mate
My favourite video 👍🏻
Love all my Venom rifles
Air guns are so under represented in the US. I went straight to .22’s after my Red Rider. These new rifles are so cool.
It is each to their own , do you put it in a gun cupboard and leave it ? Or do you use it ? Me id have to use it and make it so it is safe to use . The is no right or wrong answer .
Interesting question about what makes something collectable. For me its what grabs me when I see it, could be the stock, could be its been tuned by a genuinely skilled gunsmith or the fact the stock is unique and the skilled work in the stock screams out. Some like the rare kit, I think thats what I love about it all as its very individual. As for price, tough one. Some kit shouts quality and skill, others not so obvious and I think and as a relative newbie to this I will need require more knowledge.
I bought a gem from local gun shop it was in a state.so set about the restoration.
Now it’s a beautiful mk1 tx200 and shoots awesome
What makes a venom a venom? Ive been offered a hw v glided by steve pope. Shortened barrel, fitted mod etc. Would that be a venom or just a tuned hw???
I have an Air Arms Pro Elite in .22 ( beech) hardly used but seized up any suggestions?
I've been told that particular rifle was a bag of crap but was hitting bottle tops out to
40 yards right out of the box back in the day. All original not been messed with at all.
Realistically if u need to replace a leather washer..and its worn out..u put another one in....same for other parts.....
If an original Venom or Airmasters etc spring was bent or broken I'd have to replace it. I can see how in a way that's a shame and ideally you'd want everything completely original but so long as it's done competently (not a hack job obviously) and to a standard that does the other work justice that seems like the only option. For me an air rifle being in good working order is a main part of it's appeal, at the end of the day it's still a tuned rifle. Venom HW35 with Schmidt & Bender scope, that's a keeper!
Great video as always. Those are two beautiful rifles . Take care.
Love hot air
Great vid lads , keeps getting better and better 👍
Alright guys
I remember the venom tunning kits with the sticker but I thought when it was originally done buy venom they did the blue really deep black polished with the silencer , and like u said some of them was engraved really nice. But not sure about internals I no u could cock them effortlessly
Think what I would do is put new parts for using rifle,then for resale put original parts back
I service my older guns to keep them up to spec
Had a 35 ...could,nt hit a thing ...sold it on ...new owner pleased as punch with it..../ bought used cometa fenix .400.about 15ft.lbs. worked on the comb ..etc. could,nt miss...! // Match man and Gun...👍
Same title and logo, as originally done by Lloyd from Blackpool Airguns featuring Tony Belas. Informative but quite as good.
Are you sure? I’ve just checked and can’t ever see an episode filmed with that title?
Gerald cardew was the man who kicked off the tuning
Yes mate he was , along with John bowkett, remember the bowkett meteor
Can I win
Service and maybe upgrade if good gun but ad rather save and buy new just me
Waited 20 mins to see it shoot was robbed again
Will always keep mi g7ns original