Brawling Battleship Strategic Positioning | World of Warships Legends PS4 Xbox1
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2020
- Strategic brawling battleship positioning guide and map/game awareness in the German Battleship Tirpitz in World of Warships Legends (WoWs Legends) available on PS4 and XBox1.
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That Maas was quite busy disembarking island tourists.
Amazing. Thank you so much for that video. I would love to even see a continuation.
Wasn't expecting you to be sitting where you was during stream. You just about torped me.. lol. And by the way (ky) in kygunrunner is abbreviated for kentucky..
Always fun to see some german battleship action. And when it comes to these german brawler bbs i would iclude the secondary battery mods to really put up the preasure.
Thanks I'm tired of watching Germans sail straight towards the the enemy team with 4 fires before they can even cause any real damage
When I was grinding the Gneisenau, pre buff, I thought it remarkable that a steel ship could burn like it does. After I finally got the Bismark my disappointment was complete. The guns on both ships seemed to be more dangerous to aircraft and flying fish than they were to the enemy. Getting in close enough to actually hit anything meant that anyone firing HE was going to fry you forthwith. I deleted the game. Months later I came back, and have since stayed away from ships that fire buckshot.
I totally enjoyed that my friend
Bro how did you get a picture on your CZcams name
It looked like a TBull train with your team just following behind you🤣
The flight time on shells at one point in the Bismark-Eugens vs Hood-Pr. Wales battle was 52 seconds.
I really want to like high tier German BBs, but the current meta of the game is stacked so heavily against them. I usually compare a ship's overall effectiveness in Legends to it's PC counterpart, and, for the most part, the ships have been implemented fairly well with a few adjustments. However, German battleships have not transitioned well at all. I believe there are several reasons for this. First, since there are 25% fewer players per team, it means you are that much more likely to be targeted by enemies. The Damage Control and Repair Party consumables simply cannot keep up. My R16 Hyde has 5 charges of RP but I almost never get an opportunity to use most of them because I die before they can recharge. The maps are also smaller, so the teams spawn closer together, which means you are spotted sooner and usually have less time to react. Secondly, HE cruisers are everywhere nowadays and are an absolute menace to German BBs because of their vulnerable superstructure. Thirdly, is their effective combat range. German BBs are quite strong in close quarters. Unfortunately, this particular playstyle usually results in them losing most of their health by the time they can get in range (if they even make it that far). Since there are currently no carriers, there are no advance scouts to spot which ship types have spawned on mirroring flank, so you won't know if an enemy destroyer is on top of you until you see the wall of skill bearing down, and by that time its already too late. A good DD player will act as a scout, spotting ships early and screening for torps, but I have found that most allied DD players (and teammates in general) are barely capable of thinking and breathing at the same time. If they won't support objective play, they won't support you, either. Most randoms will stay back and only fire at any enemies that happen to enter the edge of their firing range. 90% of the time it's a choice between pushing into your effective range and getting torpedoed and sunk or staying back with your team and be unable to hit anything, all while getting burned down by HE cruisers. Lastly, poor secondaries. Many German battleships rely on their numerous secondary batteries (and sometimes torpedoes) to supplement their main guns, except that the accuracy of secondaries are just as bad, if not worse, than the main guns. Even with a full secondary build, I have seen my secondaries them hit approxiamtely 1/5 of the shots fired at an enemy less than 3km away. This is a problem for secondaries in general, but it is more apparent in German BBs. If it were up to me, Itry to fix some of these issues by reducing the cooldown time on consumables across the board. The player count and match times have been reduced by 25%, so why not cooldown timers, too? It would be more rewarding for players who use them well versus players who waste them. I would also make German BBs a bit more resilient against HE spam, perhaps reduce the HP of their superstructures so that damage saturation occurs more quickly? Carriers are coming and there is a secondary rebalance in the works, so hopefully German BBs will actually become more viable in the future. Only time will tell.
People need to start respect brawling BB cause as the number of CL increase. You u will burn down so fast if u play traditional BB. One tip tho I usually pop those planes at the beginning of the battle since we still far away from DD and we need those accuracy to hit shot from the distance.
Yeah I forget to use the new planes a lot of the time
Good game i'm still grinding global xp for this pressure ship
The butterbean strategy
Playing a brawling battleship can be extremely fun to play. Knowing when to push I think is ware people make mistakes. I do think I’ve heard they might buff the secondaries? Are at least be able to target the ship you want your secondaries to focus on. Playing brawling battleships is a play style but it seems to be very weak at the moment. Brawling battleships just need more DPM in my opinion.
Yeah, there are certain BBs I personally like playing in Brawl-y mode. Hipper as an inspiration (to extend secondary range) and strong on the secondary mods equals a little 'zone of death' that can make life very difficult for any enemy who gets close. Especially for low-mid tier DDs. Maybe not optimal, but FUN to play and usually with good solid results.
Never been a 'sit back and shoot at a distance' player. I try to be when it seems called for, but , well .......
And they need to nerf the he
The secret destroyer mission we didn't know about. Sport fishing and blowing smoke in your friend's faces.
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The genius here is intentionally unmentionable, ironically.
With Brawl builds i have the problem i get crossfired by many helenas.. gotta take cover when using brawler and not going to the open waters
you should use the plane more with german ships
Veeeeeery nice 👌
All the best battleship players I’ve seen knew exactly how to brawl. One extremely underrated brawler is the Jean Bart - purely because everyone thinks you have to run dispersion to be effective. With a brawler JB you get an 18 second reload, 32-34 knot top speed, and once you’re on a flank you’re almost impossible to dislodge.
The Amagi is a better brawler than one might expect.
The Jean Bart speed boost at the start can put you on their flanks. And like the King George, it can obliterate DDs.
@@AceMoonshot Shhhh. Don't tell everyone.. 🤔😈
As someone who only plays American Brawlers not many I know. The Jean Bart is not that great as a Brawler. It has fast reloading guns which can help for sure but getting in a Brawl with another BB she is penned way to easily on her broadside. Shes best for sitting with her front facing forward and not getting stuck in a turn fight.
GG!!!
Can you brawl with the American line at all or?
2:23 and I'm stopping the vid to rage at that Maass. It wasn't even my game but he triggered me. So frustrating just watching it. Edit: And it just got worse, didn't it? How'd he miss a broadside Iowa at that range? There is a damn good reason he was ranked dead last. Useless as teats on a boar hog. End edit.
I have had DD (laughingly called) support like that Maass all day. I swear players have gotten worse. Impossible as that seems.
They have gotten worse last couple weeks. I've seen more DDs sitting in their own smoke or hiding behind islands than I can recall. My theory is the new players we picked up after covid are just starting to hit higher tiers in big numbers.
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee yup and the game got advertising in PS4 it's coming bigger by itself because it's free and new updates and fortnite is dying if u haven't heard andddd yeah covid is a reason too
Unfortunately most dd captains have one thought... Get battleships. Refuse to do anything else. They also seem to think they can fire their guns and not get destroyed
Nice
I still dream of the day ill be able to secondary build the germans
What are your thoughts on that alidad perk do you think it is worth using or should I stay away from it
Worth it, mixed with Essen.
What a putz your Maas driver was!!!!
I struggle to play kurfürst cause i dont know how too play it correctly cause i cant play it like a Bismarck or tirpitz but i dont know how too work kurfürst
What kind of battleship lines are the best? I want to know what to go for in high tiers
Again depends on play style the game is pretty balanced but not perfect all I can say is Russians and Germans are brawlers the rest are snipers or medium range ships the easiest line is Americans they are simple and well rounded and lowa is a monster amagi can be good but u have to know when not to go broadside vanguard is a very difficult ship to play but if played right it's good it's like an oversized Cruiser Bismarck is an underperformed but he's very famous so that is y people get him richichleu is very powerful and easy to play but it's turrets are vulnerable so be careful and Vlad is a meat wall similar to lowa but brawler DON'T go broadside because high citadel but once it faces the enemy it's basically unkillable unless torps the biggest weakness of all battleships that is all the BB for a long fucking time
Was in a domination mode game in Izmail last night. My initial move was to move up and get to a range of 10-12 km. Then as game progressed try to get into flanking positions for active crossfires in that 10-12 km or closer (if possible) as I think a brawler type BB should do. Then if possible press any advantages as presented toward the later stages of the game. At the start of this game a teammate (in a cruiser) kept telling me to get back and not advance. After repeated spamming of this they then proceeded to follow me the entire game ramming, shooting and torping me. I think this person needs to understand that a brawling BB does not want to sit in the back, nose in while getting 1-2K per salvo. For that matter no battleship should be doing that and expect to contribute to the team and try to win the game. These kind of matches make me not want to play this game much longer. We did win the game. Cruiser player came in last.
@Jeff Pemberton Funny, I was saying something similar to my wife today. I love this game but soooo sick of useless randoms that I’m not sure how much longer I can stomach it.... You play on PS4? Could consider teaming up, at least we’d know we’d have another switched on player on our team. I know that because anyone who watches Tbull’s videos cannot be as bad as the majority of players.
I find myself playing less such is the deterioration of the player base and their understanding of tatics and gameplay.
@@jinx6493 Yes PS4. I'm over it and got back in the Izmail last night. I love this ship! If friendly fire was a part of the game would have been a very different outcome (for the cruiser). Agreed with your Tbull comment. He and other CC's have increase my win rate at least 10% along with better overall understanding of the game mechanics which in the end makes the game play exponentially better.
@@catloveralways In my 6 months of playing I've had (2-3) egregious events with randoms. More common is game play issues like the Maass in Tbull's video. Had many games thrown by my team mates screwing around late in game obviously not paying attention to anything and not trying to win the game. I understand Tbull's frustration at times with team mates during his streams.
How would you rate the British BB's with Madden as brawling style ships? I usually end up overextending and having to turn a push into a kiting action, wondering whether that's just my lack of skill / experience, or whether it's also the wrong playstyle for the RN BB line...
Thanks for the great content and advice, as always!
I got Madden a long time ago, and only got Cunningham near the start of the revised Commander system, so I had to use him, and learn how to do it...I use the Brawler perk to increase the reload speed, and since the tier 3 thru 5 British battleships have weak deck armor, you don't want to operate beyond 10 or 12 km anyway.
The key, as you and Tbull pointed out, is to control the rate of push so you don't overextend. Lacking torpedoes, you're only going to use your guns, but the British AP is good for penetrating damage, even without citadels...also good against DDs, so you don't need to switch shell types. Visualize strategic spaces on the map that you want to control, then push to them...once there, resist a further push until your team supports it. Use your good vertical armor and repair parties to absorb enemy fire, and deal out rapid salvos with Brawler...
I also recommend perks and inspirations on Madden that enhance Repairs and damage control.
@@Zapranoth-lf8nt Thanks - that's given me a couple of things to think about, definitely... More practice needed (as always 😆)!
@@zoemccarroll I haven't tried with lower tier but vanguard can be quite effective as a 30+knot brawler. QE is the only one in the line where its really clearly better with one style build (Cunningham)
@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee Glad it's not just me - QE *has* felt different to the Duke, for sure! Maybe I should try T6... Kinda holding back at T4/5 until I feel a bit more confident! Also need to learn how to use a CL properly, but there's only so many hours in the day 😂
@@zoemccarroll The KGV is probably the best tier 6 tech tree bb in my mind. (But I haven't grinded russians past the izmael) People really sleep on the AP because its known for its ridiculous fire chance but with ap loaded I think its the best cruiser killer in the game. Just don't try to shoot ap at 12+ km against bbs most of the time.
It all sounds good. but if everyone does their part. I’m always playing with idiots or I get killed by the Houdini disappearing Destroyers.
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Is it me or is the player base getting worse? Not only is the grouping of battleships in one spot getting worse but dd's are not spotting but just setting torps and moving away from caps. Also when I play dd's I'll capture a base ( usually without support ) and when I move on to the next one most of the ships will move to the one I already captured. Do they even know it doesn't give out extra points just for sitting on it? I'm very thankful for your efforts to try to improve the player base but I do wonder if you need to explain how the capture points work first before we even attempt positioning. Rant over.
It's not u. U r correct, sir. And 2 years later. The dynamics of the playerbase r still the same eh.
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So how do you permanently knock out turrets? I'm guessing that it happens if you get hit on a turret that is already disabled. I think I've lost torpedoes tubes permanently a couple of times on my destroyers.
Nope its just random if you hit the turret it can knock it out for a couple sec or permanently just a dice roll of the game.
Ship modules (main turrets, secondaries, torpedo tubes, etc) have their own individual HP values. If a module loses enough of its HP (not sure exactly what the threshold is), it will be temporarily knocked out. If it loses all of its HP, it will be destroyed and you will not be able to use that armamant for the remainder of the match. Main turrets are some of the most heavily armored parts of the ship (especially battleships), so they tend to take very little/no damage from HE and are instead knocked out by AP. Destroyers and some cruisers have their main turrets knocked out more easily (mostly destroyers) because they are more lightly armored than battleships.
I'll disagree that Russian BBs are brawlers. They have hard hitting guns yes but they do not last long at all against brawlers in a circle fight. Especially the Massachusetts. I've deleted every Russian BB that's tried to brawl with me. German BBs are great inside of 6km because of torps.
Most brawlers who play German BBs for brawling rely to heavily on their torps to win though.
Can you please make one for USA & Japanese BBs
The one I released last week on General Battleship strategy is more applicable to those lines
USA & IJN BB excel at mid-distanced attacks. This, was for those with turtleback.
@@theycallme4799 ya played a couple of of good rounds w those ships really good guns, & thx
@@TbullGaming oh ya, will check that out soon thx keep it up 👍
Well explained... Up next: How to use smoke to help your BBs actually PUSH!. So, so, so, so, so, SO tired of seeing DDs that assume 'The smoke is to help me get away' from "Dar" Cruisers . 🤦♂️
I'm glad you touched on the "BULLY" tactic. I teach so many others .. TRUST your armor. TRUST your angles. They WONT let you down. The tactics I learned in brawling, helped make my ranged plays THAT much more effective.
Understanding the mechanics to how spotting, smoke, fire, flooding, 'bow tanking' and aiming mechanics all come TOGETHER... Brawling isn't the meta. It's the Alpha Omega.
Maybe you can be that destroyer player and use your smoke that way
0:06 Why no legendary skill selected?
Some commanders have shitty options for both legendary skills. So sometimes it’s best not to pick one. For hide one of the legendary skills makes your accuracy worse and the other makes you lose a heal. So you’re better off with none
I've had so many teams that completely POTATO!!!...and then I'm the pleb..it happens...sucks when it seems like every match
OMG you're using ME in the video! 🤪🤪
Anyways, good job at explaining how people should use the higher German BB's. I hear too much whining and too little adjusting to their play style. You can't really play go and play Mr. Bowtank 24/7 and it really forces you to move a bit. Cover, patience, and surprise is key. Basically you're forced to adjust when the situation calls for me. A lot of players tend to simply stick to bowtanking or aggressive play instead of simply doing both.
Agreed. I tell all the new comers. "EVERY ship here, has its uses. That's why they're 'Legends!' Question is, captain... Are you willing to be as resolute? "
The Maass captain is an example of someone who has failed their way to tier six and shouldnt be playing higher than tier three.
Sorry but tier 3 may still be too high for this player.
You send commands too often 😂😂😂
Maas full stupid, вот из за таких эсминцеводов мы часто сливаем бои .