Garrard LAB 80 Turntable overhaul

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  • @michaelscottcutler3627
    @michaelscottcutler3627 Před 3 lety +2

    I was just given a Garrard Lab 80 by the original owner's daughter. Her mother had just passed at age 99. It still has its original 1964 shaped dust cover in excellent condition. Thanks for this vid. It'll help with my restoration.

  • @Sara_PY
    @Sara_PY Před 3 lety +1

    I still have the Garrard A70 turntable my dad gave me in 1965. Cosmetically, it's great. Mechanically, it's "gummed up". You've inspired me to perhaps rejuvenate it!

  • @kevinatkins1342
    @kevinatkins1342 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video! My dad had one of these when I was a child back in the 70's and he gave it to me after he got a Lenco.. I remember it being built like a tank but alas, I was more smitten with the fancy belt-drive decks of the time and the old girl was scrapped when I was able to afford a more modern unit. Great pity. I'm toying with getting another one. My memory of this and the Lenco is that they both had tremendous bass slam / authority, and an immediacy to the music that I haven't found since, but they were a little noisier than a belt-driven deck. Looking on other vinyl sites, the consensus seems to be that the Lab 80 was the pinnacle of Garrard's automatic turntables; subsequent models were inferior and not built to the same standard. And the Lab 80 just looks so cool.

  • @electronicengineer
    @electronicengineer Před 3 lety +1

    A real, beautiful piece of mechanical engineering! I love this machine. Nice job on getting the auto play/reject mechanism working again Mr. Dave. Thank you for sharing with us! Fred

  • @ladamurni
    @ladamurni Před 3 lety

    You inspired me, I have a very old Garrad record player with build in tube amplifier looks like a suitcase. Sitting in the attic for a long time. I made a start restoring it today!

  • @u28909z
    @u28909z Před 3 lety +2

    Soaking the idler in dot 4 brake fluid worked well for one I serviced. Really good grip was restored.

  • @tough213
    @tough213 Před 3 lety +1

    I am with you I love the garrard clank and clicks vintage turntables are the best and all metal construction show high quality great job as always thank you for sharing this wishing you a very happy and healthy holidays and great new year be safe and careful

  • @RecordCouncil
    @RecordCouncil Před 3 lety +3

    I turned one of these down for $20 when I went and bought another turntable about 15 years ago. I have regretted it ever since.
    With the gummy old Garrard grease removed it should be a solid performer.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      Being a tire drive the rumble is a little higher but the build is great. I am more a direct drive guy myself.

  • @wmalden
    @wmalden Před 3 lety

    My first “audiophile” turntable was a Garrard SL95B. It had a wood and aluminum tone arm. My mum’s English army buddy worked at the Garrard factory in Swindon, Wiltshire.

  • @dougb711
    @dougb711 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the video! Extremely informative. I just picked one of these up yesterday. It’s only playing at 45 speed and the mechanisms on the switches seem to be the issue. You make it look easy, but at least I have some reference now.

  • @ccrm10
    @ccrm10 Před 3 lety

    I now want one of these! Thanks for the video.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      It's a nice table for sure. Built like a tank.

  • @BoB4jjjjs
    @BoB4jjjjs Před 3 lety +2

    Good decks the Garrard's, had a few in my day and they don't let you down. They turn slightly fast and when you drop the arm the slow to the right speed due to the drag. All metal and none of that nasty plastic crap inside, all you need is a spot of oil now and again. I have had full auto changers, and single play with auto stop and also size select and speed, click play and away it goes and stops at the end returning the arm to the rest. It looked like a Gold Ring stylus that was in it but the Shure looks much the same. The last Garrard I had I wish I had kept it, but I sold the system, so the deck was art of it. For what they cost they were very good. Of course, most will have come across the cheap auto changers built into radiograms and hi-fis. They covered them all and anything mid range was good and built to last.

    • @waynemckinnon1238
      @waynemckinnon1238 Před 3 lety

      The cartridge is a Pickering and is said to be original. The guy I bought it from had just purchased it with other vintage items from the original owner.

    • @BoB4jjjjs
      @BoB4jjjjs Před 3 lety

      @@waynemckinnon1238 Alright, it is a cartridge that is not common here. Good deck though and built like a tank.

  • @moshezaharia4666
    @moshezaharia4666 Před 3 lety +1

    I like these old turntables! I have a 1974 BIC 940 belt drive turntable, It is automatic but I got it without the stacker spindle, so someone made an aluminium spindle for me.
    With that spindle, it can play the same side 6 times...
    I think that if you were to remove the spindle and place the phone as centered as possible, you might have got better WOW result, about the speed, the Garrards and the BSR with the idler drive tends to play a little too fast.
    Anyway, great video as always.

  • @Friendroid
    @Friendroid Před 3 lety

    I found a Perpetuum Ebner 2001 VH for $5 a few years ago. Was able to fix some mechanical problems but recently it stopped amplifying the sound. Im delaying to fix it because I dont own a variable transformer and I'm not comfortable fiddling with AC. The mechanism is very similar to this Garrard so it was a pleasure to watch.

  • @marktubeie07
    @marktubeie07 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm a Garrard lover for life, great TTs. Until they moved to the BSR mechanisms in the 70s, they still hold up well. They just require servicing to make 100% again.

  • @waynemckinnon1238
    @waynemckinnon1238 Před 3 lety

    Thanks Dave. It is a cool table and quite under the radar. People have commented on the very good bottom end and musicality of this table. Cited along with the 301 and 401 as the best of the Garrard tables. I think the looks and design are very nice. As usual when you fix this type of equipment I learn so much more about them than I can by reading only. I was going to get you the manual but you seem to be able to figure it out by investigation and observation. Thanks again, can't wait to hear her play. Btw, that is the origional Pickering cartridge or so I was told. Maybe a Goldring as is mentioned here. Don't know. Anyway, I've got a nice Shure waiting to try as well.
    Gracias amigo...

  • @jazbell7
    @jazbell7 Před 3 lety

    Those Garrards are hard to beat. I have the model SP25Mkv which is only a single play turntable. Very high quality, belt drive. In the basement I have a 1961 Garrard changer that I can dig out if I want to record 78RPM disks.

  • @brunoprimas1483
    @brunoprimas1483 Před 3 lety

    I own a SL-95B and a Zero 100. Once the old grease(glue), is cleaned off of these older Garrards, they are pretty much bulletproof. One thing I've learned, use new grease sparingly once the old grease has been cleaned off. A little goes a long way, and a little too much can actually hinder auto operations. 👍

  • @roberthorwat6747
    @roberthorwat6747 Před 3 lety +1

    Made in my home town, Swindon UK. My mum worked on the pick up line but a few years after this one was made

  • @thomasraden
    @thomasraden Před 3 lety

    Love your new electric intro. Almost as that canadian guy Mehdi Sadaghdar (ElectroBOOM), who do electric experiments on himself that often makes things blow up. A cat is a potential static electric source as well. I remember my brothers cat wanted to sniff (or eat) my microphone when I did binaural stereo recordings, I heard a pop noise on the recording and that was the discharge he did, god knows what he could do to delicate electronic equipment.

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  • @kvn95240
    @kvn95240 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for your post!!!!

  • @Fluteboy
    @Fluteboy Před 3 lety

    Love the ElectroBOOM style intro! You Canadians eh!

  • @terrycard6775
    @terrycard6775 Před 3 lety

    That is one cool turntable

  • @radiologe9271
    @radiologe9271 Před 3 lety +1

    very good job!! Stylus shoud be from Pickering ( Model V15 /AT2 )

  • @giorgostexnikos6976
    @giorgostexnikos6976 Před 3 lety

    exelent analysis

  • @anthonyhfe6450
    @anthonyhfe6450 Před měsícem

    At 10:20 how did you get that grey cam wheel off? Mine won't budge after oil and PB blaster penetrant. It's stuck !
    When I turn the main platter the big gear clicks on the small spring loaded gear section, that's a part of the big gear that cycles everything.
    Great job. I think I'm almost there to getting this nice Lab 80 fully functional. It was in a Bentley 353 Renaissance console. Boy that was the cat's meow when it came to consoles.

  • @Ronnie01964
    @Ronnie01964 Před 3 lety

    Finally, some quality unit...mostly whole metal inside.

  • @alanarmstrong2323
    @alanarmstrong2323 Před 3 lety

    Nice callout to the dual lovers wouldn't change my 1219 for anything that is a cool turntable though!

  • @klebercarneiro1872
    @klebercarneiro1872 Před 3 lety

    Amazing

  • @jimmmymerica8951
    @jimmmymerica8951 Před 3 lety +1

    I have a Garrard Zero 100 c turntable which spins but seems to lock up. I'll try the clean and lube to see what happens. Thanks for the info..

  • @TheStuffMade
    @TheStuffMade Před 3 lety +1

    Nice turntable, quite a complex automatic mechanism. I've never been a big fan of the idler wheel models though. The drive wheel always seem to cause problems and have lower performance than belt or direct drive, especially when the rubber has gone hard.

  • @lurklad
    @lurklad Před 2 lety

    Nice video. I'm working on one of these now and it is helping me. However, It seems my main plater bearing is beginning to drag more after I have started working on it and lubed it. Any suggestions on how I can get it moving freely again?

  • @josemeyer7464
    @josemeyer7464 Před 2 lety +2

    Actually both the Lab 80 MKi and Mkii works on auto with the single play short spindle. Your information is incorrect. I've owned and worked on numerous Garrard Laboratory Series turntables.

    • @Gretschbeach
      @Gretschbeach Před 3 měsíci +1

      I was just looking through the comments to see if someone else caught this. The auto does indeed work with the short spindle. It just doesn’t change records.

  • @fadhlematrook1248
    @fadhlematrook1248 Před 3 lety

    nice new intro

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv Před 3 lety

    A very different design ftom all other types.
    The mechanism under the deck looks so complicated.
    Most decks follow a similar pattern to the Bsr decks, but that is very different.
    Would something like Molly grease stay fluid for longer, or just be a nightmare?

  • @tedberg5354
    @tedberg5354 Před rokem

    Just pulled my Garrard Lab 80 out of storage. No surprise, but it doesn’t work. How do I reach out to you to see whether it’s practical for you to overhaul it?

  • @livyramalho
    @livyramalho Před rokem

    I'm hoping u can help me up with a Lab80 I Just bought. When I press the auto Lever, motor starts, the mechanism start moving and the tonearms lifts but stays locked in place, then the mechanism shuts off. I have degreases and relubbed pretty much evrrything and the issues persist.

  • @4evaclapham
    @4evaclapham Před 4 měsíci

    Regarding the speed, when the weight of the tonearm is on the record it will slightly slow the speed so you will find that your speed reading of 33.57 will become 33.3, so use a strobe light and a strobe disc instead of the phone app

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 4 měsíci

      Nobody really cares. After all it's vinyl full of imperfections for the audio phools. Here is a fun fact. The weight of the sylus does slow down the record slightly however the drag changes as the toner moves towards the center of the record so it slows it down more on the outside than it does on the inner cuts as they tone arm moves in so you're never going to get it right unless you've got a quartz lock turntable with a frequency generator that measures the actual platter speed it makes adjustments as the platter starts to slow or speed up.
      Anyone that is really serious about their music isn't listening to it on archaic analog equipment, they're listening to it from a good CD or a high band digital file they're not messing around with vinyl that changes the sound every time you play it. Vinyl has newfound popularity due to all the millennials that didn't grow up with it and taking some new magical format that sounds better when in reality it doesn't sound as good it might sound better than Spotify or sxm radio but it certainly does not sound better than a properly mastered CD on half decent CD player and anyone who thinks that vinyl does sound better really needs to have their hearing checked. I've heard good recordings on both vinyl and CD and I've listened very closely with high-end headphones to get the best experience possible and every time the CD wins hands down over the vinyl.

  • @JasonTHutchinson
    @JasonTHutchinson Před 3 lety

    The spring looks like it has seen better days. It looks like there isn't enough tension.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      Which spring.

    • @JasonTHutchinson
      @JasonTHutchinson Před 3 lety

      @@12voltvids it was the spring at the top of the screen when you were working on the gear. It seems a bit slow. It could just be that the mechanism was just gummed up bad.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety +1

      @@JasonTHutchinson
      Mechanism gummed up. The wd40 took care of that.

  • @anthonyhfe6450
    @anthonyhfe6450 Před měsícem

    Well i was able to get the big gear to spin and the start and return function working but now the main platter bearings are tight even though they're oiled and the platter spun earlier today in both 45 and 33.3 RPM. So even though the central gear is not engaged to the big gear, the spindle is hard for me to turn by hand and it will no longer spin the platter via the idler wheel. Odd. It's almost as if the auto change mechanism is not completely disengaged from the platter.

  • @Jayan188
    @Jayan188 Před 3 lety +1

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    @leonardosamson5089 Před 3 lety

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  • @polkiju7
    @polkiju7 Před 9 měsíci

    Can I use the Lab 80 Tone arm in another deck?

  • @petertryndoch8857
    @petertryndoch8857 Před 3 lety

    Ah the bang crunch clang of metal - back when electronics talked to you. And I don't mean "Bluetooth connected"

  • @Hi-Tech-Ray
    @Hi-Tech-Ray Před 3 lety

    @12voltsvids Didn't most of these record changers have more of ceramic cartridges than with the magnetic ones?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      Many did. This one is magnetic as is my old dual changer.

  • @Rotorzilla
    @Rotorzilla Před 3 lety

    I have a couple onkyo m504 amps that I picked up in Japan during the 90s. I'm interested to getting them looked at and recalibrated and replace the lights in the meters with let's. Is this something that you might be interested in doings?

  • @darlenegoodwin6467
    @darlenegoodwin6467 Před 3 lety

    I've never seen a turntable like that before my time.

  • @Watcher3223
    @Watcher3223 Před 3 lety

    It seems the only way to adjust for speed would be to alter the diameter of the idler tire and/or the capstan, possibly even cleaning any built-up residue on the capstan if there's any there, of course.
    But, since the deviation is less than 1%, it's definitely not worth futzing around with it beyond any necessary servicing, especially if it's to try and get impossible accuracy, considering that it's an antique rimdrive.
    Now, if it were running around like 30 RPM or 36 RPM, then yeah, you've got a problem. But at average revs of 33.6 or 45.4 RPM, It's close enough, especially if stylus drag may help to bring the speed down just enough to get it roughly right.
    As you've said, this turntable is fixed and working fine, especially for the age and type.

    • @lurklad
      @lurklad Před 2 lety

      Actually, changing the idler diameter has no direct effect on speed. That is one of the things I learned in Machine Design. It can however affect the net drive force between the capstan/idler & idler/plater, therefore increasing drag from friction, and therefore slowing the plater a bit.

    • @Watcher3223
      @Watcher3223 Před 2 lety

      @@lurklad In other words, a change in idler diameter can alter the speed, albeit indirectly.
      Of course, a change in the diameter of the capstan is what creates a direct change.

  • @kathymaegerlein8269
    @kathymaegerlein8269 Před 3 lety

    I have this exact turntable - and, it's working -- sort of. I got the RPM Speed and WOW app and see that it's turning at 39.21 RPM; is there any device that will let me adjust the voltage to see if that's indeed the problem -- 120 to 110?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      Is it a 50hz model by chance. If so you beef a different hub on the motor.

    • @kathymaegerlein8269
      @kathymaegerlein8269 Před 3 lety

      @@12voltvids It's an MK II and when I looked up the manual, it says it's supposed to operate with either 50hz or 60hz but there's a different cable; however, probably 50 years ago it was working here in the US! Manual also gives a range of 110-130 volts, so, I'll be needing to find some help locally.

  • @boddychadwick7174
    @boddychadwick7174 Před 3 lety

    I have a daewoo tv/vcr combo with good picture but no sound, any suggestions?

  • @mauanderuk
    @mauanderuk Před 3 lety

    Nice.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      Dam near as old as i am.

    • @mauanderuk
      @mauanderuk Před 3 lety

      @@12voltvids Like most things older stuff seems better then the cost cutting comes...

  • @andershammer9307
    @andershammer9307 Před 3 lety

    Dual has a better low mass tonearm. I do have a Lab 80 as well as about 15 Dual Turntables.

  • @dougtaylor7724
    @dougtaylor7724 Před 3 lety

    Look at all that metal linkage! 8:47 The stuff opening sequences are made of.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety +1

      That just might make it into an intro. That and some close up shots of mechanical clocks ticking away.

  • @zacass6
    @zacass6 Před 3 lety

    What is that app called for measuring the speed? Love you stuff.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      RPM speed and Wow for Android.

    • @petertryndoch8857
      @petertryndoch8857 Před 3 lety

      @@12voltvids Wouldn't the weight of the phone skew the results?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      @@petertryndoch8857
      No why would it? Remember this unit can stack 5 records. They would weigh more than the phone.

    • @petertryndoch8857
      @petertryndoch8857 Před 3 lety

      @@12voltvids fair enough. Would the phone being an off centre weight affect any of the readings? I don't know if wow and flutter applies to turntables or if the app even measures such a thing.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      @@petertryndoch8857
      No the phone weight should not affect any readings.
      Wow and flutter are the same thing. Wow applies to turntables as they turn relatively slow, and flutter to tape due to the capstan that spins relatively fast. On my technics slm1 the wow is 0.003 which is extremely low.

  • @dougtaylor7724
    @dougtaylor7724 Před 3 lety

    Is the speed off because it was built for 117 volts instead of today’s voltage?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      This was 1964, would have been 110 here then. Yes, when I lowered it to 110 it clocked in at 33.3 33.4

    • @waynemckinnon1238
      @waynemckinnon1238 Před 3 lety

      @@12voltvids AHA! Well that now makes sense. With the app you suggested and placing the phone centered over the spindle hole, I read 33.69rpm/33.75rpm. So -0.08%/09% deviation. Wow was +/-0.07. Thanks to those who suggested the centered placement. Now to soften up the idler wheel to get rid of the noise (rumble) and perhaps improve the Wow readings.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      @@waynemckinnon1238
      It doesn't matter where the phone is placed. Those that say it has to be in the middle have no idea what they are talking about. I can put it anywhere on my technics slm1 and the reading is the same 33.29 rpm wow 0.03%. Center, mid platter or right along the edge literally running the tone arm mount.

  • @randy1ization
    @randy1ization Před 3 lety

    is there a way to straighten a warped record?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      Put it between 2 piece of heavy glass and warm up in oven then turn off heat and let cool.

    • @randy1ization
      @randy1ization Před 3 lety

      @@12voltvids can I use a microwave?

  • @prabhakarratnagiri7265
    @prabhakarratnagiri7265 Před 3 lety +1

    Your brain is double edged i.e., with mechanical and electronics skills.

  • @426hemicuda1090
    @426hemicuda1090 Před 3 lety

    OHHHH... you should use a stylus scale :)

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety

      I don't have one but the owner does.

  • @raygrenier1216
    @raygrenier1216 Před 3 lety

    You should clean components before you start oiling

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety +1

      Totally unnecessary. Been doing this for 40 years and then don't come back. Until something else breaks that is.

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    @zigamravinec1207 Před 3 lety

    hello got a question about LG tv and heating BGA chip solution. Could i heat it up enough so it starts working with a hair dryer?

  • @MrMotownjoe
    @MrMotownjoe Před rokem

    Clean old black grease from cam groves

  • @crashbandicoot4everr
    @crashbandicoot4everr Před 3 lety

    WD40 to the rescue!

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  Před 3 lety +1

      The solvent penetrates the dried up lubricant which allows the new oil to wick in.