Moped Ignition System Upgrade! (IT CHANGES EVERYTHING)
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Having trouble getting your moped to make spark? Well so was I, and being as desperate to ride it as I was I decided to install a completely new CDI ignition system! On top of making very strong spark and powering bright LED lights, the Power Dynamo CDI that I installed completely changed the throttle response of the bike. It is so much smoother and responsive than it was with the stock ignition. If you want a nice upgrade for your moped, here is a great one!!!
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Here is the ignition I used:
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that moped is like 4000 dollar if its original in Denmark my Country :)
I give ALL your vids a like before I watch them.
@@jimmadonna1436 thats love bro!
@@rasmusulrich6352 the prices on them are going up in the US too!
Love the content bro, keep the bangers rolling
For me, it's always so interesting to see a Puch Maxi outside of Austria. But I am always a fan of people riding, modifying, and keeping them alive! (I own 3 of them myself Nearly stock cruiser, modified street bike and 74cc drag bike) Have a good day and keep riding.
I will continue to keep their legacy alive! Thanks my guy!
Here in The Netherlands there are a lot of Puch Maxi's :) A lot of Puch's in general.
In der Schweiz sieht man Maxi‘s auch oft
Stores still sell them here in the netherlands! And lots of people use them still ^_^
My dad found 2 Puch Maxis and a Derbi Savannah (restorable) in a barn he bought and he sold them both for 50€. I was literally there when he sold it. Still mad.
TSJ you should upload more dude.. After watching your wheelie vids I bought my first dirtbike an I been saving so I can get a crank & rebuild the engine.. Yamaha OEM ant cheap lol
I definitely need to upload more man! Working full time and doing CZcams is tough but I know I can improve
Lol out of the big 4, yamahas got the cheapest oem parts
Man, after buying a moped myself, I've fell in love with your moped content. Hope you keep posting it man there's something so fun about having limited power
I agree bro! Slow bikes are more fun sometimes!
Slower bikes make you a better rider imo you get to focus on your balance techniques, without that power to correct you. 👍
I have a 150cc it does the job
Stiffer springs in your clutch tune it to your kit and they also make pull starters for that new flywheel so you can run a kicksarter and a pull starter
yea I kind of want to adjust the clutch a bit
@@TwoStrokeJ if I were you, id get one of those aramid 3 shoe clutches, they seem to be endgame for the puch, or just lighten the stock 2 shoe, brace it and slap some dos springs
I modify my clutches. I cut crosshatch on the shoes for better lubrication and tighten the screws about 2,. 2 1/2 turns to raise the stall speed to about 3,000-3,200 rpm. Get the motor into the power band before the clutch grabs.
@@danielsteward5090 cross hatch on the shoes?
i’ve had a cross puch maxi but then built it into a racing beast.
set up:
74cc gilardoni kit
28mm carburator
Hpi ignition
Homoet p6 psr exhaust
HK clutch which is basically a ktm sx50 clutch
Honda mt5 forks
Rito racing crankshaft
custom frame still used the original frame but made it stronger
Custom swingarm
Custom seat
Custom fitted reeds in the carter with v force ktm sx 65 reeds
bored out the whole engine for better fuel flow
Tuned by DDL tuning and made about 25 hp
i sold it because i wanted a bigger bike. i still miss that Puch fun little thing 🤙🏼
As a owner of multiple mopeds, a Surron, and a Honda Elite, this video makes me very happy. Wish my little city had a fraction of the riding crews you seem to have. Mini motos for the win.
Yes sir they are so fun!
you should upgrade your clutch to compensate for the the power.
i did it to my own and it lifted like an aircraft
hahaha I think I might have to!
@@TwoStrokeJ The clutch graps way too early so you got no no power at the beginning
I fucking love these moped videos. Keep that moped content on this channel! 💪
I will bro thanks!!!
Now that the bike is perfect basically, i would recommend you getting something that keeps the frame strong. A puch maxi frame can begin to bend because of the heavy modification on the engine.
There are these things called EBR frame amplifiers that you mount in between the seat and the front fork. They should most likely keep it straight.
Anyways i really enjoyed the video. Looking forward to more moped videos 🔥🔥
The most important thing to check is if the points are opening and closing. Which is what you missed. If your interested to learn check out videos on setting points ignition on old bikes like honda cb350s etc. More than likely why you lost spark
Nice to see you actualy changing the condenser and stuff I told you about, Keep the moped video’s up
for sure bro! I was taking all the advice I could haha. I'm just glad I could get it back in running shape!
@@TwoStrokeJ yeah love it man, my wheelies with my tomos are getting better and better too
Here is what the condensor does.
The stator charges the condensor, then the points complete the circuit from condensor to the coil.
The condensor then discharges into the coil and the coil converts the voltage to a higher voltage en discharges true the spark plug thus making it spark.
the cdi you replaced it with (Condensor Discharge Ignition) is basicly the same thing but without the points and uses a pickup to send a signal to the cdi to make the condensor discharge.
Inside the cdi box there is a condensor.
Because a cdi doesn't need the points because of the pickup that it is replaced with, there is less wear and a faster response from condensor to coil.
Amazing explanation thank you bro!
Capacitor/Capacitive Discharge Ignition (CDI) although a condenser is another name for capacitor. It's normally just called "electronic ignition" and the original (old fashioned) ignition is called "breaker point ignition."
The condenser keeps the breaker points from sparking more than necessary, it absorbs the extra spark (called "arcing" which is pronounced "ARKING"). Electronic ignition takes the place of the points and condenser.
We (Dutch) do mount foot rest on the pedel shaft, and push start the moped. I would not bother the Kickstart pull start stuff. The upgraded clutches would be my next step. If you used the small inner rotor ignition would probably smoke the stock clutch.
I have the same VAPE CDI in my Simson S51, for the past 4 years I never touched the whole ignition system once :)
That’s exactly why I decided to get one. I heard they are very reliable
Super video, I'm glad that the ignition from my home country is being assembled in the United States, I use it myself on my moped and I'm extremely satisfied
In my experience, the most common cause of problems in these ignitions is the contact points. If they lose contact, it manifests pretty much the same as you described. Just cleaning them up with some sandpaper would've probably fixed the issue. But since you can use the benefits of a lighter rotor, I can see why you've gone for the new ignition.
trust me, many people told me that and thats the first thing I checked. They were working properly, wish it woulda been that easy
@@TwoStrokeJ Oh, I thought it was weird you wouldn't check those first. In that case, I have no idea what could have been the issue but I guess that doesn't matter anymore. If I can suggest something, try using stiffer springs (at least the blue ones) in the clutch or just tightening the current ones as some other people have mentioned. This way the clutch will grab at higher revs where the engine has more power and this will improve acceleration. Just be careful not to overtighten them, the springs need some space to work. Other than that, your bike is pretty solid!
Tail light bulb.. that will cause a no go for spark on stock wiring
If you'll do another project, get a moped sumo like A Derbi Senda or Aprilia SX50 or one with an AM6 engine. They are water cooled and can do +30HP with 100cc kits, they also have 6 speeds.
I want to build a dt50 some day! I used to have one
@@TwoStrokeJ Ayo i got an yamaha dt50! theyre great mopeds, i had an 88cc kit that made 26hp, autowheelies from 1st to 2nd. theyre amazing
Btw for anyone doing this at home with no experience.... you are supposed to mark the exact position of the ingition and put on on as it was because the position of it matters a lot in there mopeds.
I don't know enough to make these videos proper tutorials so I appreciate you clarifying for people!
Thank you for the interesting video. If there is no spark, first clean the points with some sandpaper and degrease with acetone. If that doesn't work, test the condenser which is usually the culprit. Rather than going to the trouble and expense of installing a rocker switch to replace the kill switch, you could have simply shorted the wires and tested that way. CDIs really make life simple. Just installed one on a 1966 Honda C65 Super Cub and what a difference.
Yea man, I’m not the best with electrical stuff so trouble shooting it is pretty hard for me. CDI’s definitely make it way easier
absolute goblin of a moped now thats epic
absolutely
I know that feeling too when you work on the moped so long And then it's just a minor thing and you just can't find the fault
yea they can be very annoying to fix lmao
a condersor is basicly just a little battery. it holds the electricity created by the ignition a little while before it transfers to the rest.
My guy!! 💪💪 good vid bro! We gotta ride more before winter 🤘
This is very true
I love the moped, the upgrades have turned it into a ripper.
it really has man! glad you enjoy it!
Notification gang🔥🔥
LETS GOOO
Awesome video man! For the killswitch testing you can just leave the black and brown wire's seperate from each other or disconnect the black ones from the coil for even easier testing. Then the killswitch has no use and the spark no restricions
thanks for the info bro!
If you want too get a new/another moped, try to get a Simson S51. They are hard to get, even here in germany, but worth it. With a good 60ccm kit you can get up to 60mph easy and they have 4 gears (or even 5 if you want to). There are even 110ccm kit available for it. Would love to see a Simson S51 in america...
trust me I want one of those really bad but they don't exist in the united states. I'd probably have to get on imported.
they Aren't hard to get in germany, they are expensive
but i want to say the Same that He have to try simson
Love to see those parts. You gotta get a Simson man.
I‘m enjoying my moped as well as long as i can this year
same!!!
man i love the moped videos keep it up
I appreciate it bro! Glad you enjoy them for real!!!
good choice on the powerdynamo
Thanks man!
Sick video love to see the moped action
thank you bro!
Yes 💯!!
If you’re gonna upgrade the whole thing I would get a 4 bearing motor housing and then port it to the cylinder that gives you a big power upgrade🔥
if I can ever get a spare motor to build on the side I want to do one all out for sure
@@TwoStrokeJ also tune the intake on the casings, it helps alot, specially with bigger carbs
Saw the pop up. And I was like: fast as buck boiiii
yeaaa boiiii you out hhere supporting! thanks man!
Not a moped guy but always watching for the Jway vibes
love it man!! the support is real
Hell yeah, finally 💪 nice fix man. Keep up the good videos.
Thank you bro!
That’s beautiful. I’ve got a 1978 puch free spirit & used to have a green maxi
I always wanted to do what u did to urs.
Yea man! Upgrading them is the most fun part!
I love the stunt ped bro, but you gotta learn to diagnose problem sc . Dont just buy parts and hope it fixes it lol. Get a multimeter and watch a video on yt. Youx have that thing running in no time. I guess your process technically upgrades your whole system, but part by part takes forever hoping it will fix the problem.
Thanks for the videos bro you got mad riding skills!
Yes sir about time lets gett it 💯
ESKETIT
As a front suspension you could get an EBR Fork, should cost around 60-80$
I have stock EBR replacements rn but they are pretty destroyed, not nearly strong enough. I need the big more expensive ebr forks
@@TwoStrokeJ that should do your moped good, you should consider to upgrade the steering bearings to much more durable ones.
Really want a moped!
Get one my boy
@@TwoStrokeJ I will eventually.. i just live in one of the most expensive places to live in the world :P
Let’s gooo new postttt
you already knowwwww
Stock wiring if the bulb goes out for the tail light its a no go..
Those ignitons kits are pretty decent but maybe in the future try an inner rotor
I thought about it but my friends had a lot of those break on them
@@TwoStrokeJ might depend om the merch have one on one og my bikes never had any trouble and rlly happy about the acceleration
I bought an old tomos to mess with because of you and a few other guys thing is a mess but itll be a ripper
Let’s go, like before watching😂
legend
I recommend putting an airfilter on it, improves, otterwise the carb gets too much air. Just get a pod filter or something.
some people recommend them some people dont. Most people I talk to say they restrict flow too much and don't run them.
@@TwoStrokeJ That really depends on what jets and settings are being used and the placement. Pod/sport filters dont restrict much as long as its not a really flat one. The filter helps with laminar airflow which the carburetor is supposed to be ran on. Without it, you get really turbulent flow which wont give that even flow of right mixture. Also its about the wear on the cylinder, piston, bearings, crank unless you have money for replacing that just every now and then.
@@TwoStrokeJ and without one, dirt could come in and your carb doesn't really like that
In switzerland everybody have an puch maxi its very poular in switzerland i have one to
That’s awesome, wish more people had them here
here we gooo
yeaaaa boiiiiiiiii
Legend
the puch engines are like tanks i ripped one about in the 90's as a field bikle and the thing just wouldnt die lol
Exactly bro I abuse this one so much on the stock bottom end and it’s been super reliable
@@TwoStrokeJ expect years of abuse bro i live in scotland used min 90% of the time on the beachs and mudflats the engine ran solid for years was the frame eventualy gave out from all the salt
Put pegs on it now! just gotta run with it and pull clutch to start lol its not bad. two of my bikes are like that now you get used to it
true, kinda hard to push start mine tho it has so much compression
@@TwoStrokeJ yeah it can be a pain. I want to try a pull start on one of my bikes but I hear they break a lot
It's funny that moped have the same piaggio engine all over the world, here in Italy we have Piaggio Ciao, Bravo and the Si, they are really similar
The ciao, bravo and si all have the same engine indeed, the gilera citta also. But the puch engines are very different. I worked on both the e50 and piaggio engines
@@jdmaxi187 what's the difference between the two?
Yea man small 50cc’s are great
@@enricopapili3027 the piaggio engine is basically just a crankshaft inside a block, with a flywheel on one side and a dry clutch with belt in a subframe.
The maxi engine is a complete casing with wet clutch on the right side, as well as the secondary gearing and shaft.
So, the piaggio engine is a lot more compact, but therefore needed the gearing in the rear hub of the wheel.
@@jdmaxi187 ty man :)
You should buy a inner rotor iqnition your bike will rew a lot faster and higher works wonders
Did you tune ur carb properly by now? Also gives more power
eyy man you can poul of the padels and starting chain and walk start it
great vid dude i suggest you to get a Vespa especially a model from 60s early 70s you can do crazy fun stuff with those scooters .
That would be sick! Way more expensive tho
I know its two years later but the electric runs through the bulbs as well dead bulb no spark
Brother that's a whole new Ignition not a CDI. LOOKS SICKKK!!!!
Ebr forks with stabiliser and 17” wheels
Yea man! I definitely need some bigger ebr forks
You should buy a bigger carb like atleast a 21mm I would recommend a 24-28mm pwk carb trust me it will give you a lot of power
And get some better reed valves if you have the stock ones i would recommed a stage6 mk2 intake or a v-force 3 intake
Didn't know the Puch was sold outside of central Europe. Damn
I recently picked up a 1980 Puch Newport ii with the za50, it does run but I need to clean the gas tank, the moped was sitting in a barn for awhile, it fires and runs on starting fluid. I just need to clean the tank
Yea the tank is a common issue! Hope you can get it all clean!
Let's gooooo 🤙❤️ the vibes
thanks bro!!!
@@TwoStrokeJ we miss the big bikes thoo
Had exactly the same problem with my derbi! But fixed it and it worked but now it does not work again
Might be time for a CDI bro!
Another fire video🔥
thanks brother!
Too sick
thanks my guy!
road to 50k!!!!!!!
Lets go bro!!!!!! YES
Now Slam a ngk Iridium sparkplug in there and ignition will never be a Problem anymore.
Smart man! I will
You should get a gilera runner 180
You should get a tomos s25 or a tomos a35 to rebuild in the winter
I have a video building my friends a35
@@TwoStrokeJ or a gilere citta
Hey bro nice vidso again i sold my mopad and bought a scooter a speedfight 2 and im going to put a 70cc cilinder on it soon and make it go 120kmh
sounds sick bro! Thanks!
These are Czech Vape CDIs.. They are used a lot for all Communist era Jawa and CZ bikes.. They say it never fails hope it will run for ya well..
yoooooooooooooooooooooooo thats sick!
thank you bro!
@@TwoStrokeJ im actually thinking about putting a 70cc cilinder on my tomos apn6s
hey man i have a question, where did you got the speedometer and the speedometer housing from, it looks amazing and im still looking for one for my own project ;)
It’s stock, the bike came with it!
Wtf thing is sick, cant even tel when hes dropping back or not 😂
Get a temp gauge next !
Nice build
Thanks man! A temp gage would be a good addition!
I don't think the spark was your cdi usually first you try new ignition coil if that doesn't help then u try stator if none of those doesn't work then cdi but yeh and the throttle respone is because you got new fly wheel and stator
Can’t wait to have my 50 out next year lol
Yessirrr
I have tomos at home, its like Jack's automatic but faster
That’s awesome man the 2 speeds are nice
Probably just broke the condensator on there. Or the breaker points aren't properly adjusted. But none the less nice upgrade!
Thanks man!
Vape 👊🏻
Im 15 and in sweden i am alowed to drive a 50cc moped and i really want a Puch e50 or like a piaggio ciao but i dont have the money for one…
save up! The E50 is a great engine
I know all about it also the old and also CDI
good stuff bro!
Still want one of these😂
you can't handle the power be honest
EBR hydro front end soon? :)
I hope so! trying to save money though
Tipp: make another exhaust at it
Do you have a stock crankshaft or do you have an aftermarket crankshaft? If you have the stock one i would recommend you to buy a optimized one because the stock ones are gonna blow up when you ride with this much power trust me my stock one broke too with a 70cc. Btw nice Puch!
Thanks man! Mine is stock as of right now. Eventually I will do a full motor build but it’s held up well for now!
Great bike.. have to put an air filter!
thanks man! i need all that airflow!
In europe we tune the fk out of mopeds, we put like 110cc kits on 50cc derbi and aprilia bikes
You need a Simson🔥
I would love one in the US
Yo yo my guy, I have Tomos 15SLC and I WOULD LOVE to know where u got that timing tool for Top Dead Center
do you no what a yamaha fs1 or kreidler it is the best to tune
please take good care of her!
Yes sir!
@@TwoStrokeJ in my country, you could sell this puch maxi for over €1500 easily.
would be sick if u get a surron
Bro i want one!
@@TwoStrokeJ ye same its fkin sick, you can ride where u want without any problems
How do you do wheelies on a puch maxi? Does it have enough power to get up or do you like pull it up?
Btw sick bike :)
It’s all about your body positioning and weight distribution. Power isn’t very important it’s all technique
Fuckinnnn mintttt doood moped content!!!
My condenser just died in my tomos too lmao
I thoughthe was going to say"Hey guys the next step is a rebuilt and painting it."
I wish haha
I clicked so fast
we OUSSIDE