My RGB is better than yours - Govee AI Box
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
0:23 What's in the Box
2:35 Lights in Action
4:11 Gaming Effects
5:42 Govee App
6:45 Outro - Věda a technologie
First AI RGB thingy that does this? Probably because you don't actually need AI when there are so many algorithms that can do the same thing
These days, every small piece of algorithm is "AI"
AI is just marketing 99% of the time anyways
@@EcoAcid I've seen an ad for a coffee-machine a while back that said: "AI-powered! It lists the drinks available in order of how many times you drank them!"
Its starting to look like Short Cirucit has become the shilling channel. judging by the price tags on other govee products this will likely fall directly in line with their over priced extravaganza of shit content they have been pedaling lately. Im abandoning this video and all future videos focused on outrageously priced gimmicks and suggest we all start taking this stance if we want them to get the message to focus more on value than novelty.
"AI" name on the box is like "'For Gaming" - $$$
I wonder if there's any actual AI involved, I'd be surprised tho...
Really clever AI... That only supports 3 games...
No. There is not.
@@henrikparksjo7980 According to what we saw, it got a special integration for 3 games, but it does support everything. We saw it work with video, images, a browser & windows desktop.
@@henrikparksjo7980 did you watch the video? the "support" is only about game specific "animations"/sequences.
@@Exilum I used software that does all that and can do a lot more games.
Fancy what Ai can do in the box, definitively not the same as the hue sync box or other boxes that do EXACTLY the same
So many things already exist to even try to claim they are first at anything was laughable haha.
Govee themselves have other options that do the same thing lmao. The LEDs that stick to the back of your TV and react to it
I’m just hoping it costs less than the sync box cuz for $250 bucks I’d rather sit their and Change my bias lighting manually…
I was gonna say the same, and hue sync does it WAY cheaper too, I'm guessing.
Not to mention that it's completely pointless and, let's be honest, stupid.
Here we go, things being called AI when its not really AI.
Technically speaking things like stable diffusion are only machine learning still even, so it's pretty much all marketing really
what u exspect from chinese companies
It is classified as "AI" due to it being able to perceive visual perception. Media always shines "AI" to be this human like concept when in reality most machines have "artificial intelligence", even including most standard new microwaves, or even electric recliners with saved settings.
Can't wait until we're not allowed to call video games AIs "AI" because of meme marketing
You must be new here
Sooo basicly it's Philips' Ambilight?
Wow, groundbreaking..
At a fraction of the cost (I assume).
But without the unreliability and piss poor customer service.
@@JuanRodriguezNushio Philips can cut the costs using a built-in processor and add it as an extra step in manufacturing to add LEDs to the back.
No wires, cables, connectors etc.
...with more cables.
@Sakshi gaming NEIN
I must have miss the AI part since I don't get what the AI is doing.
@Stefan Rial Oh right now I understand.
The AI part is what’s taking the image from the computer and deciding what the appropriate colors are to display on the LED strips. Not that you need AI for that… it’s AI for the sake of being AI. There are plenty of traditional algorithms that do the same thing, lol
Its laughable what they try to Archiv here. Signal rgb does a way better job if you want reactive lighting to ingame actions or states. Govees "killerfeature" here is to recognize game specific events and wants to show certain light effect when it gets some visual cue in these 3 games. Signal rgb does this by getting the community and devs of games involved and gets certain states sended as commands from the games. You can even customize the effects for yourself and also toggle stuff off you dont want.
@@do_minguez been meaning to try that out.
@@do_minguez yeah, game integration in software isn’t all that hard when the devs are on board, lol
So the same as Philips HUE?
I've had the now defunct Dreamscreen RBIC backlight for like 8 years, and I haven't watched a single movie without it. Definitely increases your immersion and lights the room well enough that it's not distracting while allowing you to see if you need to get up. I highly recommend giving this or something similar a try.
Tip: you can actually build your own version with a raspberry pi and RGBIC strips for relatively cheap.
I've done it for a relatively big headache too
They should do a video where they build their own RGB ambilight using Prismatik and an arduino. I did just that two years ago and it is perhaps the best upgrade to my monitor I ever did. Also it doesn't need any AI black box you just set as many zones as you'd like (e.g. one for each pixel on your RGB strip) and it will PERFECTLY respond to the content on your screen!
@@TonGi018 Running it with 10 zones 50$ ambibox from ebay for last ~6 years. Best PC gadget ever. Great for movies amazing for games. Eyes don't get tired when sitting up all night
Good thing I can read 7,000 words per second and was able to read the description of what RGBIC is. Also didn’t tv manufacturers make tvs with this feature built into the back in the mid 2000’s?
Rgbic is just an LED strip which can display multiple colours at once at different points on the strips, like segmented or color rainbow animations etc
Yes , to be precise Philips did, they also patented that built in ambilight technology so there are no other options but either buy Philips or add a diy kit to your existing tv/monitor
The latter is exactly what this box does.
There are cheaper options out there tho, you can basically get the same effect with any rgbic/argb strips and a raspi or Arduino and open source code, but from what I’ve seen nothing compares to the Philips ecosystem
You can combine the ambilight with their expensive hue lights so not only your tv but the whole room will illuminate with fitting lighting based on the positions of the light source in the room. The biggest problem imo is that at least here in Germany your light data will be sent to the Netherlands first bc they’ve got some data center stuff over there
So if you change the mood of your room, or turn lamps on and off there will be a delay when using anything else but the local ambilight of the tv. This for me is a total no-buy argument and I’m still waiting for an open source solution to use your diy microcomputer “ambilight” with either the real or other non Philips rgb smartlamps on a local network basis.
From what I’ve seen this far the hue lights are worth the extra additional cost if you care for color accuracy , they are the best in regards to color, while other much cheaper options often beat them in the low-light department, meaning there’s only a certain amount of discrete brightness steps on hue, and other products often get more steps for low brightness, so If you got an Oled and blacked out home movie cinema it could get more moody with non hue lights, but you won’t get the extremely good color accuracy in lighter scenes. It’s a trade-off in every way.
Tl;dr:
if you’re on a low budget , diy your “ambilight” to existing screen
If your extremely sensitive to color, a creator type guy, hue is best
If you want a full room/house experience with more than just the tv lighting your room in fitting colors Philips is the way to go
If you are a gamer who’s never seen the light of day , who’s Monitor probably isn’t that color accurate but rather high fps cheaper alternatives may be best , darker lights won’t blind you while gaming and still have adequate amounts of lighting steps to feel natural and not individually discrete
You can also combine hue and certain non philips lights in your setup to fit your needs perfectly
Whatever you do, do your research beforehand, sadly there is much room for improvement in regards to compatibility of different manufacturers so you’ll have to check if and how your dream setup can be realized
@@pfizerpricehike9747 some of us don't want to downgrade to a philips TV though, and the govee camera based system honestly works better, plus dreamview with additional devices is pretty amazing and more detailed than hues offering
I recommend: DIY with Hyperion as Software for your Raspberry, a HDMI splitter and HDMI to USB scaler. I replaced the splitter with my AV which has two outs. Either way, works with more zones (endless) than Philipps or Govee and costs less in most cases. And you learn stuff doen the road.
i did it years ago with just a arduino nano connected to the pc that controlled the leds and a software. For my tv i have a raspberry with that stuff too :). Its not hard to do guys and way cheaper!
I would always suggest to go with a camera setup, becaus hdmi is pain when it comes to 4k 120hz, hdr and sourround sound formats. There is almost nothing on the market that can handle a split and even the one splitter i used, could habdly all formats, but with vrr you get a lot of trouble with flickering with the lights and also the display output drops out frequently becaus the Bitrate can be messed up with some wrong edid readout after each restart.
@@do_minguezagreed. Homebrew or hdmi based isn't for the high end video or audio needs due to the limitations of the hardware. If it stops me from using dolby vision and dolby atmos at 4k, then no thanks.
Where's the "AI" in this? There's been LED solutions, including ones using arduino. I have backlighting on THIS VIDEO right now. So I'm really struggling to understand what, besides some integration to two video games, this thing is doing that's different, or worth the cost? Especially as the arduino one works over USB, so for PC, you don't need to worry about what type of cable the monitor uses.
GOVEE is the first??? Maybe the first to use their specific algorithm but I've had Hue Sync for my games for over a year now. 5 lights that I can place around my room. I have three in front and two in back. You can also use the same box and lights for your TV AND since they're smart lights (part of the Hue system) I can also program those lights with Alexa and various routines so I can sync them with music, games and movies.
Yeah I have my game room hue lights synced to the monitor and my pc is also in the loop thanks to SignalRGB
Right? I def don't do it all the time but I've synced Hue to everything to do the same stuff with no camera as well, and i have a hue strip and light bulb actually at my desk itself. THEN as stated it's also cool to sync it all with SignalRGB and have everything in the room flash with game noises, on screen colors, or music lol
@@DX88 Hue has integration as well. And will start the sync depending on what game has been launched. The only real difference is that this one does things like flash the lights when you get a kill and stuff. Not a big selling point to me.
@@JayBirdPhotos yes that's what I meant with integration, effects when you kill etc. Also this is a lot cheaper than Hue. But it's clearly not the first.
Hows the latency on the lights changing when the scene changes?
Would be interesting to see what sort of passthrough delay the box is adding. I do like the idea overall.
Did you found the answer? I am looking forward to buy one as they have hdmi 2.1 version on preorder
@@av4921 Not anything from LTT I believe but a few articles are saying Govee is claiming less than 16ms delay.
Corsair had similar feature for years, with game integration setting. Now they added mural feature that allow to plan your rgb devices where that actually are and can display colours based what is on your monitor
Games with integrated RGBFX do the same thing. MK11 on my Alienware M17 has adaptive RGB just off the top of my head, which also worked with Logitech gear. I imagine there is software that can do this as well. I guess? Not that big of a selling point though.
I have managed to get my Govee light to match my screen via connecting it with razer chroma software. I don’t really like it and it’s certainly not perfect but it didn’t cost me any extra so that’s a win.
Requiring game support puts in the realm of keyboard RGB support where it's occasionally cool, and mostly pointless. Requiring HDMI passthrough is also a deal breaker. Even though in OS apps can be a memory drain, that's better than additional HDMI lag, and no DP support.
No DP was my first immediate wtf moment. Like Im not going to downgrade to HDMI for this.
I be curious to see labs test this for any potential increase to latency.
This
Ever since my parents got their first Phillips ambilight tv they won’t go back to anything else
I’d rather add diy ambilight to a gaming monitor but from what I’ve seen most diy kits add lots or delay which Phillips prob just circumvents by adding additional extra image and sound delay
It doesn’t have to be 1ms for my taste but it shouldn’t be obviously noticeable
My RGB brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right, it's better than yours
I can teach you, but I have to charge
1:10 ah yes just what I need, for a flash bang to startle me even more than normal! Really get those stress levels up there!
how much latency does this box add to the screen ?
I kinda like it, and bias lighting is good for eye strain, but if it adds too much latency I just won't buy it, that's the kind of drawback that's a deal breaker
Just use Hyperion with a Raspberry and an HDMI Splitter. Latency basically 0.
Bigger question I'd have is if it interferes with HDCP in any way. Also how it handles unusual aspect ratios.
@@fqdn No it does not, I am using a HDMI splitter and a DIY solution (Raspberry, Hyperion). The Splitter can do HDCP and up to 4k120HZ. Works perfectly fine.
There is a Govee light bar with an integrated camera you put on your monitor to collect image data without any latency.
-Ai what's my purpose,
-company you change some lights nobody looks at.
-Ai oh my god.
I'm watching this video on an Ambilight TV and trying to figure out how this is 'new'.
Great presentation of colour light on that blue wall. Big brain time.
not AI, and not the first to the market. these boxes have been around for years
AI is the new RGB / game_ready tag.
Just slap that name onto anything and everything
First it was
gaming keyboard
Gaming mouse,
Gaming case, chair ,.. ..
Then gaming was replaced with RGB this and that
philips has done this for years - both with their sync app, and their sync box.
and before that, a guy made a little app called screen bloom, that does the same thing
and there are numerous cheap alternatives on aliexpress.
"AI powered"... lol
it's as simple as looking at what the image is displaying right now and picking some colors based on that.
Anyways, it at least does support higher resolution/framerate than the philips sync box. 4K 60 fps.
but i imagine that's still not enough, for some.
Very similar to the screen effect within Signal RBG. You just need speakers or lights bouncing of the wall to replicate it.
Literally
I'm using the Phillips Hue Sync Box for my TV and I also have Phillips Hue Lamps for my Room. I have a RGB Stripe from Philipps Hue too but it's not as goood because it falls off on my table and my Wall is Green so the colors are wrong. I have also ICUE Smart Tower but they are not really Syncing. Do you have better recommendations?
I’ve had my eye on this for a while now, great to see a review! Govee makes such neat products.
I actually got to test one of these since late November, and it's better than any other HDMI box I've used. Has a very premium feel also. Happy to see these things finally see the light of day since CES is over(we weren't allowed to talk about them until after CES).
As that would be good for my blu-ray player and nvidia sheild. the fact that they only support 60hz on HDMI in 2023 is really lacking with game consoles all bolstering 120hz and new TVs are 120hz. Seems like a missed opportunity for only a few bucks to support HDMI 2.1 passthrough.
I was going to comment the same thing. The Series X and PS5 have been available for so long that I don't understand why they'd limit it to 4k60. That's a deal breaker for me.
Seems to be a common issue for this devices the 3 I know of all are only hdmi 2.0
@@blazemgb11 I agree, that's why their model with the camera is so interesting to me. It completely bypasses any passthroughs.
@@1ryanlc it's anecdotal but one of my friends tested it and was not impressed with accuracy or latency
"it gives you HDR in a way"
you lost me there chief
Need a proper comparison with the Phillips Hue Play Sync Box, accuracy evaluation, latency tests on the display and lights, and 4k 120hz hdr vrr passthrough capability.
This is why i buy Philips TVs, because the light around reacting on the content is really great for immersion to content
WARNING for gamers that want to use VRR or other HDMI 2.1 Features with this products. I had it for testing and iam buffeld that they release that thing in this state. No hdmi 2.1, no 4k 120hz, no vrr, no dolby atmos. The marketing features shown on the ads are atleast misleading, so be careful. If you hook this thing up to your nice expensive gaming tv, new Console or gaming pc, you will lose the goodies you paid for. Iam also pretty disappointed that they did not mentioned the limitations of this product once in this video. But what i should expect from a video that tests a ambilight system with a blue wall....
Dont get me wrong, this is a nice product and i was pretty pumped when they announced this, but without all the bells and whistles of hdmi 2.1 i dont get why they even made this product. Get an ambivision pro, it works with a wireless camera and also syncs with hue lights. No stress with hdmi formats, it works on you smart tv apps or pay in with a samsung tv and the new released hue sync tv app.....
someting i need with my hole man cave using Goove Light this would be a blessing cant wait for the to come to market
"Flashbangs will feel ultra realistic!" 🤣
0:01 "WHATS IN THE BOX?!?!?!" -David Mills
“These lights” love the specificity
I am curious how much better this is over there first RGB screen extension with the physical camera you mount to your screen? I have their current offering that has the camera and it works decent enough. If this AI box is a large enough quality increase over the camera one are they just going to discontinue the camera product?
My only concern and ive owned a system that had a HDMI pass through to do the color like this. Is can i trust them to not degrade my signal through their box. That was always my concern when I had my dreamscreen until it broke. That is why I like hues software with my PC. It doesnt need a pass through just a software that does it.
I wish TV’s had pursued ambient lighting effects in earnest, it’s such a cool effect! Glad we have solutions like this with robust processing and lots of ports.
With a niche little product like this, I cant help but wonder if this will be the pinnacle. I guess we should all run out and buy one if it is, and we should also buy one to make it not me. That’s what’s great about consumption, it transcends all paradoxes.
Would cross shop this with Luminio and Philips Hue. Would personally wait for HDMi 2.1 pass through. As 4k120hz is the 1080p of our time!
Lol I love how getting flashbanged was the example given 🤣 like I always wanted to be blinded irl when my screen goes white
Well, at least the light isn't above the monitor. Then again, it'd be funny for one to be sent over just to mess with Linus.
How's the latency ? I'd expect it to add a significant amount
I love how I clicked on this thinking it said "RGB Rug" and I was like "Oh that's stupid but I'll watch anyways"
My dad had an old plasma tv with ambient lighting was pretty cool watching movies.
I wonder if they are using an open standard for the game to communicate with the lights or if its proprietary
Govee works with Razer Chroma and synapse has the ambient mode. the RGB towers are like $150 and will do the same. Probs able to get an external hard drive with RGB as well probs for less depending how much this is
Do you need it with a PC and the already have g1 LEDs on the back of the monitor? Does it change the device colors that don't link to razer?
'Part' at full 'Sensitivity' is the ideal setup.
0:59 they may be the first to do it with ai but i believe philips hue did this like few years ago.
If you're already in the Philips Hue ecosystem with a 2nd gen bridge, you can already do this for no added cost on PC. Philips Hue Sync is amazing and I've been using their Sync App on PC for years now. Good to see some competition though!
It's also stupid expensive
That's not AI at all, Philips has been doing this for more than 10 years with Ambilight...
I've had this functionality built in to my Philips TV for years, including syncing to my Hue lights....
motherboard rgb software does this, what's the added value of having the "ai", effects on 3 games that barely mean anything?
Linus said on a WAN show a couple of weeks ago that LMG was applying a rule that in videos and titles, AI is actually AI, not just machine learning or an algorithm. I wonder if that rule was applied to this video.
did the same thing with a simple arduino (adalight + prismatik)
how much cheaper is it from the Philips HDMI sync box? philips hue app on a gaming pc isn't too bad for the smart colour option using light bars.
"command strips in the base"
3M VHB: Am I a joke to you?
This has been a thing for 10 years now. RGB backlight for monitors and tv that react to the stuff displayed, "extending" it. Atmos or what it was called. Phillips had it built-in in some of their tv.
Govee themselves have been doing it for years...
Ambilight
For gaming? Nah…
For theater? Heck yeah!
Such an LTT-level review: Brightly colored wall, studio lights on high, another random led light bar lit above it the whole time, didn't try to setup light bars at the same height of the monitor.
I'd like to see you use this on a larger scale, like in linus' home theatre. That would be awesome; to see if it helps with emergence in movies with some nanoleaf lighting or overhead smart bulbs!
Theatre are better left dark
linus' home theatre uses a projector
@@idontwalkslow I guess it depends on the movies or show. I would love to see a scene where a dragon blows fire at the viewer and the room glows red. It would be a cool immersion into the movie/show!
We had the technology for this in the 2000s. All you needed was brown lightbulbs.
I use a Philips Hue light strip for that. maybe not the most efficient or responsive, but also not as distracting as these.
Signal RGB does the same thing but software
Actually with Hue sync it's surprisingly responsive nowadays. It used to have a fairly noticeable delay, but a few years ago they updated the software on the bulbs/the hub so it works surprisingly well even with 3 lights I have (left, right, top behind the TV).
Kinda sucks they didn't consider the fact most monitors that are high refresh use Display port... I wonder if a converter would work well without adding to much latency. I got the G1 Pro but it kinda sucks cause it doesn't work well on ultra wides :(
Before watching this, already sounds like the Philips Hue HDMI Sync box
I game on a Philips TV (shut up) with what they call Ambilight on top and sides. Strips of LEDs that react individually to what's on their part of the screen. So colours move around the edges. You really miss it when you go back to a screen without it.
Do they do a display port version, because why would i be hooking up my PC via HDMI >.>
Philips Hue have had syncing on PC for ages. TVs and monitors have had similar functionality also, what is the difference here? Feels like a play on the "AI" train.
I know it does 4K60 for the lights, but is the HDMI passthrough HDMI 2.1?
The question I'd have is can it run locally? Cause I don't want tons of smart stuff leaving my internal network
My monitor already does this.. prob not quite as detailed but this kind of thing has been around for years.
SignalRGB does this and for more games as well. I guess being able to hook it up to multiple systems is a new thing but for just a PC there is software for this. Plus SignalRGB does everything in your PC as well.
It’s refreshing to see James review something besides headphones and earbuds.
seen that without AI already though. like that philips hue stuff. can get a box to plug in the HDMIs and it even syncs with those wifi lightbulbs. expensive af but looks funny. only thing missing are those special light effects that show ingame events
This would be pretty great with WOW raiding... But does it support passing through high refresh rate or are you gimping your hardware with it?
I'd be very surprised if this thing could do hdr, vrr or high resolution/high refresh pass through. There aren't any cheap media SOCs on the off shelf market that can do it, the SOCs that are available can only do it over one or two ports and just the SOC costs more than this entire box
Imagine this on a concert.
I would like something like this that doesn't have to be a pass through for my video input. Mainly because I want to use the DisplayPort on my monitor for 4k 144hz and don't want to add any latency to my display. Cool idea, just not quite there for me xP
So I have the Govee Dreamview on my PC and when you were walking up to the wall and your colours were changing,mine were to match lol
So it doesn't support HDMI 2.1 ? it's basically the same as Phillips hue box plus the game effects
It would be dope if this tech came built-in to monitors.
Govee: AI RGB controller!
AI: am I a joke to you?
do you really need A14 for this Logitech g hub had this for years and i really cant see that much usage in my 9700 when i turn on the display rgb effect.
loved it up to "In the app"
Idk if it needs AI or not, but my moms 10 year old tv has "ambient light" thats basically the same thing. Take whatever is the dominant color in a scene and project it on the wall behind it to get this feeling on a "expanded view". (idk how that works, but it does, i guess because of how we only really see a single spot clearly and the brain processes the rest in the background)
Actively Insulting is what AI stands for here, that has nothing to do with AI.
RGB, litterly the first thing i just turn off on any device i have.
Or set it to one couler light blue something like that.
The hole couler shifting thing is just distracting as hell.
It looks so damn childish. Definitely not a fan of RGB either.
Oohhh I really like the monitor James is using, any idea what that one is? :)
I've done this ambilight type thing around my monitor with an Arduino in 2016 by hand
What exactly is now AI here.. its ambilight.
What's the pass through capabilities of this thing? Is it gonna bottleneck me getting 120hz @4k because I have to squeeze it into my HDMI chain to my monitor?
good video, I just wonder how much is this going to be? Should we spect a price similar to an iPhone?
Philipps Hue Sync Box can also do this or not?
Christmas but comes out now? Look I know LTT needs some time to produce a video but this smells like the sponsor holding back approval for a very long time.
My desk is facing the window. I would love to play a twitch shooter and give my neighbours an epileptic seizure.
Looks fantastic, but I hope you can turn off weird game flashing effects. I also hope the lab can test these boxes and see if they or the competition add latency.
So aqua computer devices with AmbientPx have been doing this for a while, but have issues when the screen is displaying DRM protected stuff, as it can’t hook in… this would be good to test here too!
They claim to be the first AI RGB but I have this in armoury crate called ambient lighting which does the exact same thing the only difference between this and armoury crate is that this comes with lights and lighting effects that games made for the products similar to razer keyboards
phillips AmBX, I cue link, razer, and countless others have done this and all have failed because they are proprietary and closed.
Dreamscreen as well... I love it but definitely hate the inability to expand now that they shut their doors.