The Best just got BETTER. - Samsung QD-OLED 2
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
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Samsung unveiled their new generation of QD-OLED TV's and Displays at CES 2023. We had a chance to stop by their booth and have a first hand look at their products and see how far they have improved since the last generation.
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0:00 Intro
0:36 77" QD-OLED TV
1:27 49" QD-OLED Display
3:27 TV Comparison
4:53 Blue EL
6:27 W-OLED vs QD-OLED
7:14 Pricing
7:35 Anti-Reflective Coating
8:11 Outro - Věda a technologie
I appreciate LMG letting someone who actually owns a display cover the displays at CES.
That camera demo was actually genius, like I’m still gonna wait for these displays to be calibrated and then tested by HDTVtest by until then, well done Samsung
But also one of these things, where you can tell a difference but without them telling you, wouldn'T know which is supposed to be better/more advanced.
Meh. Until you know if they used exact same settings on both monitors - there is no valid comparison. Also not only settings - but their implementations in sw.
genius but in a way of just having bad settings on woled 👌
HDTVTest is the goat! So glad he’s getting so much traction.
yeah they will still have issues with near black handling, color fringes and a bit struggle with reflexions coating in bright rooms.
Love the Colton walk by. It's cool that his new employer sent him to CES.
The camera even follows him as he walks by lol
I thought he’s still with LMG.
@@DivineBetrayal He was fired multiple times but keeps coming back.
@@rcarter1690 is that so? What's the full story lol.
Its at 3:10 for those wondering.
The camera-feed demo is particularly interesting to me since some OLED TVs and monitors have been criticized for black crush, and it seems these QD-OLEDs do a better job of displaying detail across dark areas
Nope, they have to raise up the brightness in those near black areas because the panel itself struggle with some kind of black smearing.
@@Datenschutz_Datenschutz black smearing is a motion and response time issue, while black crush is a brightness and colour issue.
besides, LCDs don't appear to have black crush because they bleed so much light from the backlight, it's not possible to do a fair comparison.
Tune an OLED to the same grey base level "blacks" as an LCD, and it will not have any black crush or smearing, since the pixels won't turn off
@@YounesLayachi i know, but the issue depends on low voltage on those QD Subpixels and the effect looks like black smearing and desaturated colors in those dark areas.
Samsung has to work on that issue and improve it. You can't even calibrate it properly - not on SONY A95K, not on Samsung S95B and not on Alienware QD OLED monitor. It's not possible (based on EDID Software) because they know it looks very bad in those near black areas.
@@Datenschutz_Datenschutz when i say tune i mean raise the minimum brightness.
That will eat the contrast but it makes the performance closer to an LCD, then you can compare fairly.
Obviously nobody "sane" will do such thing or even allow it, especially not the OEMs who want to sell deep blacks (and longer lifespan)
@@YounesLayachi watch HDTVTest Channel and you will know exactly what i mean. there are
correct numbers to the models with all the issues on QD-OLED Panel. On
the other hand there are the flagship Panasonic WOLEDs with perfect near
black handling out of a LG panel. There's a reason why Panasonic is again skipping the QD OLED panel this year.
Im so happy that Plouffe's investment in owning a display has paid off for him, he gets to review all the cool new displays now
Is QDOLED a cheapskate version of OLED?
@Fyn Kozari No, its an oled panel that uses a different method to create green and red light
@@fynkozari9271 its a more expensive version of OLED
@@fynkozari9271 OLED is already considered a premium panel type, but QD-OLED just takes the cake when it comes to top tier panel technologies
What game was being displayed on the 49 inch displays? Anyone know? Thanks.
I love it whenever any reviewer mentions 2000 nits peak brightness...in a 3% window. Outside of the manufacturing inner circle, no one here can possibly imagine Dolby's first prototype Dolby Vision LCD panels. Each panel was only 1920x1080, and required 2 separate dedicated 20amp circuits (one for the panel's custom LCD diodes, one for the liquid cooling system), and EACH DIODE was 2000 nits. Demos of welding, or sunlight reflecting off a car were literally blinding. Completely mind-blowing.
What does the 3% window mean exactly?
@@ok-B a white rectangle 3% of the area of the screen. The TV can put more power into a smaller area and so 3% will be brighter than 10%, or full screen.
And how much electricity it would use to have such brightness?
@@jebimasta4604 A 3% window is indicative of the brightness potential for specular highlights tho. Which is very important imo.
@@R3ALA1S a modern 4K TRUE Dolby Vision panel? 8 separate 20 amp circuits, so we're talking well over 10kW just for the diodes alone.
I still don’t get why Samsung Electronics doesn’t just support Dolby Vision. The only other QD-OLED TV with DV is Sony, & they’re hella expensive (not to mention only having 2 HDMI 2.1 ports).
Why can't all earphone cables have strain relief and unkinkable cables that split where it'd make sense to? Because fuck us that's why
Yeah well if they add the “now supports Dolby vision” most will just ignore it as advertising
Especially simpler people
The DV displays are expensive because you have to pay royalties.
@@gljames24 But aren’t the LG W-OLED TVs somewhat-fairly priced?
I'm really satisfied with my Samsung TV picture wise... but the OS hurts the product. The ads, the slow UI,... If I had to buy a new TV I would go for the LG OLED B Series this year. Looks like another year where it's price to performance ratio will dominate the competition.
Catch C2 on sale. They can found at great prices.
This is Samsung display, just buy a tv from a different manufacturer that uses the same panel.
Agreed. And the Samsung remote control (in the UK) isn't acceptable, as it doesn't have a button for the UK Freeview TV guide.
A button which exists, and still works, on my decade old Samsung remote control
@@RAH012 The Sony QD-OLED costs about 1K more though
@@l3v1ckUK Click in the channel up down button for the guide
Can't wait to see QD-OLED laptop screens.
My S95B TV from last year looks fantastic.
I finally saw one of these QD-OLED panels in a shop the other day, I gotta say, the colour and brightness as astonishing. Obviously looking at them in a video on our old, busted monitors does not do this new tech any justice. I gotta start saving for a new panel!
@@ijmad me too, it's crazy, like a gigantic high end phone screen
I was hoping they'd make a bigger one, I'm happy with my SB95, but I can't wait to set my wallet on fire for that 77in lol.
RGB AMOLED by Samsung is actually better than this QD OLED...
@@morselrafez3722 the elusive RGB amoled... are there any products today with this technology ?
haven't heard of it since the original motorola moto X
yo what game is that around the 2:00 mark?
I spotted a Colton in the background lol
I am still waiting for a non ultra wide qd oled monitor, like a 27in
same
Sadly curved screens are sold more than flat according to Samsung themselves, so might have to wait a bit longer.
@Ogremair if the prices come down I might consider uw, would be nice if I could get a 27in one tho cause I prefer it. Guess we'll see what happens 🤷
2023 is looking great for OLED. Can't wait to get an OLED or QD-OLED monitor eventually when they start getting cheaper.
Oled is an old technology.
I'm sure they set the LG picture settings optimally 🙄
Z3 will be brightest, be good to see it VS QD-OLED
Are these wrgb oleds calibrated like the qdoleds? Yeah i know qdoled is great but calibrated and "washed colors, not seeing the glooms" dont add up... I think thats why samsungs pays you even though the qdoleds are great, its just not that black and white different from the wrgb oleds
I wish they made something slightly bigger than the 34 inch ultrawide, something like 38" ultrawide or 43" 4k.
I just want Samsung to make like a 42" or 48" QD-OLED monitor equivalent to the Asus/LG OLED in those sizes. I've been wanting to mount one that size above my ultrawide for not only a fullscreen video editing preview (because I shoot/edit raw footage a lot with my blackmagic camera), but also a way to still be able to double as a gaming monitor (for less aggressive titles like rpgs/adventure/racinggames/etc) so that I don't have to worry about burn in from my status bar and other computer icons and such. And of course, the occasional media consumption (movies/shows/anime) in QD-OLED would be nice without having to have a separate tv.
Ditto on the 42".
Imagine if someone broke into Pluth’s house and stole his AW OLED… 😮
I always buy the year old model during the pre-Super Bowl sales, once every 10 years. So in 2010 I bought a 2009 LG 42” 1080p with LED backlight which was new at the time. In 2020 I bought a 2019 LG C9 65” 4K OLED. I imagine in 2030 I’ll pick up a 2029 8K 87” with whatever advanced version of quantum dot is available in 6 years. I wonder if they will add cyan, magenta, and yellow QD sub-pixels to help add more real color depth? Or maybe yellow, purple, orange? This could maybe help improve color depth resolution between values? Or maybe there will be something completely new. For now all I know is my C9 is amazing compared to most TVs and I love it so much. Sure these are better but there is always something better around the corner. I grew up with a 19” SD TV with no cable, just fuzzy antenna with foil on the bunny ears, as the primary TV in my house. I’m about Linus’ age, and it’s interesting as I get older, I get more patient about technology. I already feel like I live in the future with amazing devices, so I don’t feel lacking. I recently got my first 3D printer and it just blows my mind what I can dream up in Blender and then print.
haha oh man. I wish I had that type of restraint and could handle having old tech like that. Alas, my tech enthusiast nature always has me chasing the best of everything. I am already chomping at the bit to replace my main gaming desktop display (48 " LG OLED C1) that I have now had for a year. Before that I rocked the Samsung Odyssey G9 for about 8-10 months but really couldn't get used to 32:9. I have used 21:9 and really enjoyed it, but 32:9 really did not do it for me. It warped perspective in games more often than not even if they did support 32:9 and unless you are just a race sim or other type of sim game player, I wouldnt recommend.
Anyways yeah, cool that you can hold off for that long!
I'm skeptical about the C9 lasting 10 years and not displaying a heavily degraded image, but who knows!
@@BriBCG they do say these OLEDs are rated for 30000 hours. I wouldn't wanna try that out myself haha but ya never know
2023 is the year where OLED finally starts to actually take over the old LCD.
you mean old LCD. All "LED" you see today are LCD, the "LED" part is just the backlight.
Only OLED is real LED, and so will micro LED be when it becomes reality
@@YounesLayachi yeah you're right 10x
Not gonna happen until burn in only becomes an issue a decade after being in use. If i buy something knowing it will have burn in after 2-4 years of purchase id be just wasting my money. I buy my stuff to last not to use as a consumable.
@@azure8247 if you leave your TV ON 24/7 you deserve burn in lol.
Healthy amount of TV per day is couple hours anyway
They need to make a 21:9 that is 2160p and the height equivalent of a 32". I would buy that panel without question
You missed this monitor in previous LTT video.
"The Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 Gaming Monitor (Model Name: G95NC)... The gaming monitor delivers 7,680×2,160 resolution and a 32:9 aspect ratio"
@@baka_ja_nai Not an OLED though
@@baka_ja_nai also not 32
@Andrei Zhuk 32:9 only works for Sim type games like msfs 2020 or asseto corsa, throw most 3rd person or 1st person games on it and the stretching on the ends just becomes obnoxious. Hard pass on that
1:50 what game is that?
It's awesome to see someone actually excited about what they're talking about.
Yeah totally not because it was sponsored by a brand lol.
No need to use the word “actually”..
Freaking Colton, lurking around, surely up to no good.
It’s is also user experience, LG WebOS is really good on this point and i am in favor for the better User Menu experience.
3:11 a wild Colton appears
Gets a smile out of me every time the automatic captions say "cutie OLED"
QD-OLED would be great for a TV, but have they fixed the subpixel layout for desktop use yet? That would be big news.
there's nothing wrong with the subpixel layout. i'm sitting in front of a DWF right now and i see no color fringing on my text from 3 ft away.
I thought the subpixel thing was an OS fixable issue?
@@dhkatz_ it can be made worse if the software applies incorrect mitigation, but fundamentally text will not be crisp on dislays that don't have separate subpixels per pixel, or that have diagonal pixel arrangement
That's just what I was waiting for. A bigger than 65" OLED from Samsung, definitely getting this one when its on Sale End of 2023.
I know it’s not really possible yet, but I am still waiting for a 27 or 32 inch 4K 144 Hz QD oled
They are coming out this year. LG has a 27" flatscreen model.
@@Mopantsu that’s not QD OLED though.
@@Mopantsu its not quantum dot as far as i know. the 4k one that they make is only 60hz. the 240 hz one is only 1440p
@@cosmic5789 I know
This was an amazing review. I love his enthusiasm and how genuine he felt, regardless of it being sponsored. Real demos, real examples, and no bs.
I own the Sony QD-OLED that uses the same panels and the Alienware, so I can definitely attest to these panels being superior.
Well done guys!
I thought the reason most people go with mini led is based on image retention and burn in.
Awesome. Have they done something about the quality control? Because I'm on my third S95b.
You gotta be a huge Samsung fan then🤣
I love samsung and Lg both. I have a samsung 75 tv and 28 inch 4k monitor. I also have used Lg monitors and tvs and think they are very good as well. My LG ultrawide monitor finally went out after 8 years, used every day for 10-15 hours. I want to upgrade to an 82 inch or whatever size they make, don't really care if its QD.
I just got the 77" LG B2 recently and love it. OLED but obviously not quite as bright as this model. Then again $2k for a 77" OLED makes it harder for me to justify paying another grand or two for a brighter OLED like this.
But still no DV support. Rip. 😒
I think the industry will switch over to HDR10+ over time anyway as it's more of an open standard.
I hear the original QD-oled had a heap of issues ….
Mostly software related
30% more brightness after they nerfed the previous model
I have not been to a electronic store for a long time. And I just saw a qd Oled next to woled. And I got the same wow factor from the qd oled as the first time I ever saw a oled tv. It was stunning to look at
I have my S95B in a small and dark room, and it's already a bit too bright. Some subtitles are blinding, especially with otherwise dark content. Good to know I don't need to upgrade!
A 3 year warranty really just isn't enough for me. If I buy a TV I intent to use it for at least 10 years. If I can't be sure the display will survive that then why would I spend so much money on it?
Would be an instant buy if it supported Dolby Vision.
Then you go Sony, lol. That’s why Sony’s more expensive, they got the license to use Dolby features.
@@ogremair803 That's not why Sony is more expensive. The license is like $3 per TV. Sony is more expensive because of the integrated soundbar.
@@colecrouse754 Sony is more expensive because of the Sony tax, they think they are the best (which is kinda true) so they make their prices accordingly
@@ogremair803 LG also supports Dolby vision too
Sony will announce their second gen version of this same panel soon
I'd like to see a dark-grey-to-black gradient image on any OLED, to see if it covers that range well for shadowy images. Not just pure black vs. ultra bright.
My plain ol Q80B is INCREDIBLE. Looking forward to the S95C upgrade
I need my TV to last 10 years. So for me the jury is still out on QD-OLED, let's see if it can avoid burn-in unlike WOLED
WOLED tv's have been fine for mixed TV usage for a few years, so it could be fine, depending on your use case. Desktop use is a different story, however...
No OLED gonna past 10 years, organic panels just can't do it
Yeah, if I could afford an expensive monitor I'd go for an Odyssey Ark precisely because it is LCD. I want to be able to leave my desktop and programs open all day, everyday without any fear of burn-in on an expensive monitor.
@@ms3862 Many lcd tvs will break within the first 10 years as well. LEDs and control electronics can and sometimes do fail, if you get unlucky.
I made a video talking about my experience with burn-in on the s95b. 3
months, that's all it took. Yes, I was using it as a monitor and didn't upgrade the firmware. But still, take the whole Burn-in this with any Oled with a grain of salt.
"Anti-reflective coating" makes me pretty concerned.
If it's like the matte coating we get on monitors, that's just kind of sad.
Not sure why so impressed with 3 years warranty. In Europe 2 years is mandatory and sure, 3 years is 50% more but I think the bar should be higher.
The simplest way to get reliable products IMHO is by increasing mandatory warranty periods. To 5 years for example.
Its impressive because basically no other OLED tech comes with a warranty that long, especially in the US
I'm curious to know what aspect of these displays has room for noticeable improvement.
I'm glad that OLED is improving by such leaps and bounds, I just wish it wasn't still so far out of my price range. I know it won't be long, but it feels like we've been saying that for a while.
I mean I'd say that while OLED screens have been around a decent while now, it was only the past 3 years or so that they started to become more mainstream in the monitor and TV space. Still a relatively new technology in this form factor.
Samsung's midrange OLED TVs are affordable now -- same price as average 4K LCD from 5 years ago
I spend 800~2000 when paying for 2 to 3 day family trips to Universal or Disney. Surely you can shell out 2000 for a tv you will be looking at daily for years.
the staging of these lg panels was clearly super awful. they definitely just set them to the worst possible settings for each situation... the difference in reality is so much smaller than it seems here.
Especially after calibration as the Samsung panels drop to 1500 nits. MLA on LG panels will do the same. The key differences after calibraiton are color accuracy and shadow detail. Wait for Vince over at HDTVtest to compare.
Colton sneakily walking behind from being fired by Linus over the phone yet again
Can you guys please make a video specifically for the first 2nd gen QD-Oled monitor?
My eyes can feel that brightness and the impressiveness of OD-OLED
I finally saw one in person the other day, they are the real deal. It's a game changing panel tech IMHO, never seen anything this good.
Wat game are they playing at 1:40 - 2:30?
Did anyone else spot the Colton cameo at 3:12 grinning from ear to ear?
I am curious if you can check the settings on both the TV's to tell if they tank the 2022 model to make sure the 2023 looks better?
I thought a long time ago they had gotten to the point the naked eye can't really tell the difference in a lot of these tv's, so they have to make one look bad so the newer one looks better.
To me they are all amazing :D
Since this comparison is done by Samsung so you can bet money on that the WOLED is not properly calibrated while the QD-OLED is. So this is not a realistic comparison at all. There is not much difference for normal use. And Samsung refuse to support Dolby Vision so for that fact alone I would never buy a Samsung TV again.
I absolutely represent a niche market here, but man I really wish they'd do a 42 inch panel that could pop up in monitors. That would be my end game.
I really love when coverage of these displays says things like "You have to be here in person to really see the difference" and yet even on my nearly 10 year old displays the QD-OLED's colors are *clearly* substantially more vibrant.
Placing it in front of the low res res screen behind certainly helps it pop
I would also buy it in a heartbeat. 160+ hz, 4k, 42 inch qd OLED would be my end game.
As a (pretty new) owner of a C2 77" i always fear ill regret my purchase.
But then again with QDOLED i havent seen anything but 65" yet and that would be too small for my usecase.
And honestly regretting that buy would be such a first world problem anyway :D
Enjoy what you got. Tbh its the content your gonna watch anyway. I can prefer a good movie on my phone over a shitty one on my OLED TV
That's the problem with these videos. People always wanting the best. It's fun to see what the future will bring but most current displays do just fine. That extra brightness is not going to suddenly make life better lol.
I have the same thoughts about the c1, but everytime I load up a well shot video or movie, I am blown away at the picture and grateful that I am able to own such a thing. When it comes time to upgrade, I'm sure i'll be just as excited for the new one
Damn you can even see the difference through youtubes compression. Thats impressive.
Going from the LG C9 I have since 2019 to the new QD-OLED Gen 2, that would be amazing for an upgrade
Not. All this comparisons are made in bright rooms.. 95% of oled users use them in dark rooms, where more than 300nits just hurt the eyes
Guys, don't tell anyone, but I think he owns an Alienware Monitor. Don't ask me where I got this information from.
He is kind of annoying..
The S95C looks amazing! Over 2000 nits brightness this is incredible. But I really want to see the Micro-LED TVS!
probably another 3 years before they get small enough and cheap enough for average consumers
it's actually 1500 nits on calibrated, the 2000 is a panel native white point which isn't calibrated white.
2000 hits until Samsung drops a firmware cutting it to 1000
2000 at 10000k color, they always forget to mention that. Once you put it on cinema or game mode or standard mode anything other than vivid color drops to closer to normal 6500k and you lose 30% brightness
@@ms3862 would you not say that is down to the old calibration ideology? The people who created the calibration standards are relying on old methods when the technology has already moved on. Perhaps the standards need to be reassessed.
I need displays to add a 510nm subpixel so we can cover the cyan gap on rgb displays that exists even on HDR.
Colton just walking around in the background ofc not working. What a surprise
This all looks and sounds great about samsungs new QD OLED tvs, but the big question is, is samsung going to quietly nerf these TVs via Firmware update after a few months just like they did on the S95B. That tv was super bright and punchy for months then after a firmware update the max brightness was around half of what it used to be.
That sounds sketch. You might check your "Eco" settings to make sure they weren't re-enabled during an update.
@@Anarchy421 No, it actually happened, but HorrorMovieFan misrepresented it. Vincent at HDTVTest discovered that Samsung's image processing was over-brightening scenes, except at standard test windows (3% window, 5%, 10%, 15%, etc.) so they could simultaneously pass most calibration tests and appear more punchy to lay viewers. It didn't magically make the TVs more capable of brighter images, it just introduced a bias, pushing the images up the tonemapping curve for any given brightness (except for near the maximum of the TV's capability, of course). Samsung got called out for this deceptive practice, so they "fixed" it back to the way it should have been.
@@Adreitz7 Gotcha. That's crazy.
You are being stupid because this "NERF" doesn't exist - you still can get 1400 nits if you choose other picture modes.
They "nerfed" only color accurate modes by lowering brightness to 1000 because this was only way to achieve good color accuracy and people DEMANDED it.
I agree, the Samsung displays look amazing and I do want one. However, I have to admit I am concerned about some bias here from the team. Theres no real proof about some of the statements made in the video so everyone should take this with a large grain of salt.
Agreed. I kept looking to see if this was a sponsored video. The host seems super gullible. The demo with the camera pointed at the blue/red/green lights was particularly bad. "Look at this contrived scenario that has been carefully setup to show our tech is superior!" It's a parlor trick dude. Calm down. You could probably setup five similar demos that would show the WOLED was superior.
@@variable42 They mention multiple times that the video is sponsored, and it is the first sentence of the description. Did you even watch the video?
@@BcuzAndy Found the guy who just bought a Samsung.
@@variable42 So because I pointed out that they made it very clear that it was a sponsored video I must be some sort of Samsung fanboy? Watch out everyone, stating facts makes you a corporate shill! I just thought it was dishonest to imply that they were trying to trick you into thinking this wasn't a sponsored video when they very clearly stated it. And how dare someone (the host) that owns and loves the previous gen of these panels be excited for the new ones? Must be a corporate shill!
@@variable42 literally at the beginning they said it’s sponsored
So glad I bought the S95B close to launch (on a solid deal) and then life happened and it's never been out of box other than to make sure it wasn't cracked in transit. At least I got a wild Colton wandering through the video and trying not to crack a smile.
7:00 I can't believe some colors wasn't showing. Is it a camera or connection thing because I can't understand why the left display which is supposed to have the same connection would display the distant light as black instead of another color similar even if it can't match it.
I recently purchased a c2… I’m not exactly disappointed in it at all. Plus I was told at Best Buy LG tvs came in far less than Sony and Samsungs. Obviously it’s heresay but I tend to believe it due to the fact that LG has been making OLED tvs for a long time now.
I work at a Best Buy in Cincinnati and i can confirm that LG TVs in general come back in far less than a Samsung, however I also think that may also be because Samsung sells so many more panels in our area. I have a C2 as well and while I agree the QD-OLED panels look amazing, the LG OLED line is nothing to shake at either.
Yea I am rocking the LG C1 as my main gaming desktop display but I've also owned the C9 as a regular tv as well as a C7 before that and I haven't had a single problem with any of these LG OLEDs.
That being said, I am looking to poetentially try something new here this spring. Once all the new displays being showed off now at CES release I will take a look at the best one and decide. I am just really excited to see OLED finally truly breaking into the monitor space and also I am really also excited for TV manufacturers to finally go after the incredibly low hanging fruit of building their TVs to spec for gamers.
its a FACT gamers upgrade their tvs way more often than the average person and it always just blew my mind how tv makers never bothered to attempt to implement any gaming centered features like cutting down on input latency, adding g-sync/freesync, adding FPS counters, etc. and now that were living in the golden age we have SO much more selection to choose from as PC gamers.... I've been using a OLED TV as my desktop display for a year and I never thought I would see that day.
I am considering picking up an OLED 21:9 display to replace my tv tho. really loved 21:9 when I used to have the acer Predator X34 back in the day... I just really want a 4K 21:9 so like 3840x1600 would be amazing.
@@mitcHELLOworld I use a C1 48” as my desktop display. I can’t go back to anything less than 4k. If they made an ultrawide oled 240hz with 4k resolution then I would consider it. The refresh rate is the only thing I don’t like about my c1.
@@JustDataReviews Yupp same here man. I’d be cool with a 4K 21:9 that was like 3840x1600 that’d be perfect and you’d be able to do at least 165Hz on DP1.4a without running out of bandwidth.
Since nvidia in their infinite wisdom didn’t put display port 2.0 on the 4000 series
I bought a first gen QLED on the back of the high praise LTT gave it and honestly could not be happier with it. The anti glare coating is goated especially if you have the tv in a room with natural light coming in, it’s so much better than any other tv I’ve used in the past. Desperate to upgrade my monitor to one of the ultra wide QLED’s this year, hoping prices of them start to go sub 1k though 😅
QLED (Or Quantum Dot LCD with LED backlight) is not really that impressive. Same as these QD-OLEDs are barely any better than WOLED. This test is paid for and manipulated by Samsung. And the worst is that Samsung refuse to support Dolby Vision.. That alone makes me stear very clear away from Samsung TVs. Rather take a LG OLED for best price to picture ratio or a Sony with OLED panel from LG for best picture prosessing.
@@Oystein87 I believe he means QD-OLED, not QLED, I could be wrong but I think hes just shortening QD-OLED to QLED given hes talking about ultrawide monitors north of 1k. Could be wrong just my 2 cents
I think LTT should make a video on curved monitors and the flawed rendering. there is a great post in the LTT forum.
Drivers and games really need to support curves in their rendering method.
Does anyone know when the first products with these v2 panels will come out?
It just so happens that my HDR1000 computer display literally went out and I'd like to get into OLED, if HDR is acceptable; and those should be Vesa TrueBlack-600 certified one might hope... or even 800?
Bro, 2 videos at once? Also im here within a minute, lol. This is new.
I just want to thanks all of you guys at LTT. You are killing it :) Must have been tons of work for a lot of you in order to manage the massive coverage that you do
Did they do someting to improve white and text rendering? Or are the monitors still strictly gaming only?
If they didn't mention a change in sub--pixel layout, then maybe not. That's the thing that makes QD-OLED unsuitable to me.
3:12 Colin walking in the back with his head down after getting fired for the first time in 2023
The biggest issue with Samsung is 1. they are not using the new Realtek chipset so it's still only 2 HDMI 2.1 ports and 2. their software is still not up to scratch. LG are still king for calibration and gaming. There's also the issue of pixel layout on computer monitors which can make text look fuzzy. For every day consumption though they look good. They just need to fix a few issues to beat LG overall. LG also has the new MLA panels so we will need Vince over at HDTVtest to compare them side by side.
I'm still curious to see burn-in results. I know it's supposed to be improved; but I'm remain skeptical until it's proven. Other than that; and the UI, there doesn't seem to be any competition. Kudos to Samsung for keeping the price reasonable.
Yeah, I want someone to try a burn-in torture test like black and white checkerboard pattern at max brightness permanently on for a month or 2.
I like when Plouffe is excited about something, he really is at his best then.
please tell me that 21:9 ultrawide that he didn't really talk about is also a 2nd gen 240hzz QD-OLED coming out soon?
Look, you can call OLED the endgame, but until you can prove that it will not get burn-in for AT LEAST 10 years I am not buying an OLED display. Seriously, what is the point of splurging on an 'endgame' monitor if it lasts only a couple years. The risk is just too big. Most people buy a display and expect to use it for over 5 years, and if it's an 'endgame' display that you spend more money on, you obviously expect even more.
"months" is not enough, "3 years" is not enough, until it's 10 years forget it, otherwise you're spending $300-$500/year on display replacements with these expensive panels.
They've become cheap, normal LCD 4k TV is 500 euros while OLED displays are 1k, it's "only" twice as expensive. IMO it's cheap for how incredible OLEDs look.
@@zoopa9988 First of all, no, I just looked at the prices and the mini-LED would cost about 1300-1500 for the reasonable 65in model while OLED is about 1800.
Secondly, I intend to use it as a third monitor displaying a static image most of the time 15h a day.
And I want it to last 5-10 years bare minimum, as TV sizes have gotten bigger than my wall and picture quality is practically 'endgame' today with miniLED or OLED.
Take in consideration the average salary of about 1500 net where I live, and think again. I get it that if you live in the US buying a TV is couch cushion change. In the EU it is an actual life-impacting financial decision with lower incomes and high import taxes baked into our prices.
@@why_though I also live in the EU why do you think I live in the USA? Mini-LED is technically LCD tech but realistically speaking it isn't, so I was talking about IPS. Even a non-OLED display may not survive for 10 years, especially if you're going to use it that heavily, that's outside the "norm"
Price may also not be that important since it's probably the energy bill that's going to be costing you the most if you are going to be using it that much. It also doesn't seem like you need an OLED or Mini-LED display, so why not just go for some eco-friendly non-Mini-LED LCD? Seems like whatever you're going to put on that display will look good enough with a normal LCD panel. Electricity bills increased by 300% where I live, may even more, not sure where in the EU you live but electricity prices may very well be your biggest issue.
@@why_though I've just looked at the prices, I was almost spot on LG 55UQ80006LB (2022) at 582 euros while the LG OLED55CS6LA (2022) is 1100 euros. I was talking about 55" btw. You can get the LG OLED65C16LA, so we're talking 65" here, for 1479 euros, so yes, that's closer to the prices you were talking about.
@@zoopa9988 First of all, you shouldn't base your TV purchases on the current price of electricity as supply and demand will rebalance and they will normalize in a year or two even if the war stays. Either way a good TV like that would only cost 30€/year in electricity running with a darker PC background so it doesn't matter.
Secondly, I obviously also want to use it as a TV so quality matters, especially because it is 'endgame' meaning I would not replace it until it actually dies. My living space is set up in a way where I can use the TV as a third monitor and as a TV at the same time.
It's all fine and beautiful, but QD-OLED still has many drawbacks like unsaturated dark colors, activation of quantum dots due to the ambient light and high contrast videos, color fringing due to the triangular pixel setup and potentially higher chance of burn in. Don't get me wrong, I would prefer QD-OLED but there are plenty of use cases for WOLED and the implementation is more important, just look at the results of blind hdtvtest shout-out where QD-OLED had 1st and 3rd place meanwhile WOLED had 2nd and 4th. They are really competitive, especially with this year's MLA
The interesting thing is the difference is seen in the actual video so in person it should look so much better
My next upgrade will be to qd-oled. My lg b9 is still great. The only thing it doesn’t do is 120hz Dolby vision. It does do it at 60hz and still has 4k 120hz 4:4:4. I haven’t seen a point of upgrading until now. Just waiting for one at a good price. 55” for $1000ish would be great.
LTT is like the only channel who gets sponsored to cover products, unlike everyone else spending their own money.
over the top enthusiasm is cringe
@@arisoda but what to do if that is one of the best? Why downplay that just to make it more serious? True emotions are better than fake faces.
@@R3ALA1S if _what_ is one of the best? Fake enthusiasm? How's that one of the best and how is that "true emotion"
what about that bad near black handling? Because of that Sony , Dell and oc Samsung have to raise up the blacklevels in those areas (It's like black smearing). please stop this fanboy content and bring on more facts and issues about QD-OLED.
My problem with the QD-OLED is the fuzziness that plagues the 34" panels. And it looks like its coming from the weird triangular pixel structure.
What's these things' sub-pixel layout?
I really wish you would talk about the bloat and useless apps amd buttons in the remote etc. how responsive the qui is and how easy it is to use when you are doing TV-reviews. Especially Samsung is so notorious with the bloatware and useles features with laggy qui...
This is an absolute candy shop...
that I can't afford 😂
It's nice to dream of these things one day though.
Anyone know the game being shown on the 49" displays at/after the 2 minute mark? I feel like I recognize it but I can't place it for some reason.
Was wondering the same thing.
When will we get gd-oled displays for smartphones tho.
Are they still pentile? I would love one as a monitor, but not if pentile.
3:11 A wild Colton appears
I didn't catch that, what monitor do you have at home Plouffe?
7:30 "this looks freaking awesome" cant believe Samsung included that 😅
Colton just casually walking by 🤣🤣🤣
I have a 43" Samsung QN90B QLED TV in the 43" size on my desk and it's already stunning. I used to get noticeable colour banding while gaming on my old monitor but this TV has entirely eliminated it, as well as having fantastic colours. If these TVs are even better (and by god does it ever look like they are) then I can't wait for them to come down to the 43" size so I can get one later down the line.
I have the same but 55" - they make excellent monitors.
I was youtube compression wasn't so terrible. Is it better on floatplane?
I’ll be curious to see how QD-OLED holds up against W-OLED with MLA: will be interesting