CAUGHT ON TAPE: Table saw bevel kickback goes through wall- WHAT HAPPENED???
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- čas přidán 28. 12. 2020
- A kickback while cutting a bevel on the table saw goes through my wall, and I figure out how to prevent it in the future.
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They do some nice looking Dados. Why don't we use Dados in Europe?
After my kick-back experience that left an explosive hole in wall behind me, I DID NOT REPAIR THE HOLE, and left it there in my shop as an obvious reminder to be safe. Thank you for this important video. Your site is more than enjoyable; extremely educational.
Very helpful, thanks.
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The man using the saw was smart to not be directly behind the blade. That saved him.
Well you should never stand directly in front of the blade! That's rule number one!
Maybe it is me, but ..... he looks to be behind right up to the point he is fully extended and twists his hips a touch!
I think this is one of the situations when without video you would have no clue exactly what happened and so just chalk it up as one of those thing you can't do anything about.
Now we know ... we Can!
I bet that he had to empty his shorts after that...
@@tystahl3961 Certainly wouldn't have to tell him to stand out of the line of cut/firing line in the future.
@@tystahl3961 I bet he didn't even have time to react! He only moves after the fact ;0)
Good thing he was wearing his brown pants.
Lmao, right.
he's got a racing stripe in them now
This right here is why I tell my teenage son "They don't make men like they used too".
@monte gb . I assume you heard the same sentiment from your dad, who probably heard from theirs.
This is an essential video for all woodworkers, including me. It teaches us about an unanticipated form of kickback and how to avoid it while reminding us of things we know but too often overlook. Thank you.
In the Navy I was shown (repeatedly) "Synthetic Line Snapback" to emphasize a dangerous situation that can kill people. This should be a similar shop safety classic.
@@kevinxxx1387 o yeah, and also the pictures of what happens when wearing a ring on a finger is a bad idea when line handling
lesson I learned years ago. Never move the workpiece away from the fence until it is completely clear of both the blade and the offcut and/or the blade has come to a complete stop. Also never touch a loose offcut even with a pushstick until the blade is stopped.
Understatement. The operator moved the push stick too soon. It has to clear the blade and cutoff piece before coming across. Cheers :)
The push-stick is too short - and, the handle is too close to the front of the piece of wood - so, for pushing it past the blade, he has to lean forward, getting closer to the blade - so, he wants his piece away from that blade, pushing it to the left - hitting the off-cut. If he pushes forward (with a longer stick) it would not have happened. Also, a rail/guard/fence where he stands would catch the projectile - I'm sure it would make a bang, but... Wearing a bullet-proof vest might be another option.
i always turn the blade off after the cut. idk if that is the proper way but once cut is finished i flip switch and dont move the pieces until nothing is moving. i dont use it much.
@@Talinthis i work with table saw every day {i doing floors, we cant have any guard because of some cuts} but i m doing the same thing after i finish with my cut i turn a saw off and wait for loose piece to move. better wait 4 sec than have a nasty kickback, one time i did mistake and loose piece was like a arrow 2/8 thin and it shoot right through my finger, no bone was hit but i was lucky i didnt need to pull it off from my belly or other part....
@@1134marcos Glad you and Talinthis said that, I thought I was a bit OTT doing that...
Never ever liked the look of loose bit jiggling around a moving blade.
Scary thing is he was doing exactly what I do, have done, would've been doing.
Indeed
Same here
Even scarier is that the off cut has about as much energy as a 308 bullet.
And will do again.
@@gabesmith6475 absolutely not. Not even close. A .308 is probably the same weight as that peice of scrap and would have when thru the whole building, even a few studs. Look it up, I'm sure someone has a video on CZcams if 308 ballistics
Lucky capture on video, sound analysis and plausible fixes. This was a very good video.
My father, being a tinkerer & having survived 2 kickbacks from others in his shop, added a bypass deadman foot switch to his saw at home. If he knew a cut like the one in the video he would kill power to the saw just before the cut finished and use the wood/final cut to slow & stop the blade. He would say, "a little extra work to hand finish the cut saves money & time in the ER".
Money in the workshop, time in the ER... unless you're american, so it's both anyway.
This video needs to be shared far and wide and, hopefully, go viral.
I like the auxiliary fence with the blade guard idea a lot!
I think my delta 36-725 comes with a flip down fence that serves this purpose. I was never really sure if it’s purpose until now.
Same and glad I just got some rockler fence clamps for this kind of fence.
My inexpensive saw came with a low level fence to allow these cuts with a blade guard in use. BUT it has to be fixed to the main fence with 2 nuts and bolts. Guess how many time it has been used?
I’m just about to purchase my first table saw. I’m so glad I watched this. I had no idea kickback was that easily caused. Thank you for all of your videos. You’ve taught me a ton.
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There is no need to fear kickback. Just follow the rules and you'll be fine :)
I did the same thing before buying and rebuilding my first saw. Build safety into your processes from day 1 and you'll be miles ahead of the curve. I literally wrote down a checklist that I keep next to the saw to help build that mental and muscle memory before cutting.
He didn't use the cut piece to remove the waste. The contact was inadvertent. I explained that mistake in the video.
@@StumpyNubs Fear, no. Respect, yes. Which I've learned from you, thank you!
I love your no nonsense presentation style, straight to the point, no unnecessary shouting and factual. Keep up the good work!
Adding this to my "why woodworking can be dangerous" playlist for my son to watch when he starts asking to use my tools. Thanks for posting!
In the shop I ran for a base contractor, this happened on that one day I was not in the shop.A couple of workers needed a door trimed width-wise, a ripe cut, and since I wasn't there to trim their door [I simply would have used my worm drive and smoothed the cut with my hand plane] , they choose to cut the 3/16's off the door from it's wrong side on the Table Saw! The thin trim to the fence. The 'arrow' they produced, got grabbed by the blade and being 84' long , shot out passed the operator at the same speed as the teeth of the blade, about 200+ MPH! This 'Arrow' went clear through a stack of 3 or more new solid core doors, 1 3/4 thick and impailed itself into a concrete wall !
I heard about from home in my sick bed and was just glad no one was in the field of fire. No one was ever to run my shop power tools again without permission from me. But what do you think happened that very next weekend ? The Boss took my tablesaw home to work on his boat and proceeded to fed his both hands into my Shop Saw !! He lost parts of both hands fingers from over reaching the cutter and pinching the cut cause it to lift and not cut all the way through the piece being fed in. Also , he had the guard removed to cut some dado cuts and hadn't replaced it.
After 40+ years running shop, I still have all my fingers and toes and plan on keeping them. Nothing is worth doing If it is not done safely. As side from splinters, nothing has drawn blood from me in the shop.
I'm big on safety in my shop since I'm the only one in there most of the time and don't want to be picking up pieces of myself off of the floor but a piece of wood went through at least 5-1/4" of solid wood and impaled into a concrete wall? I call bs on that my man. By the time that cutoff went through 5-1/4" of wood there would have been deflection and no way would it have been able to impale into concrete. Save your tall tales for the fishing camp friend.
How did he feed both hands to a SawStop? Did it malfunction?
@@BPinney Shop saw, not SawStop. :)
Mmmmm
@@BPinney Aloha Brian, long before 'Saw Stop' was invented, about 1984. It was a Delta Contractor's 10" Table Saw.
I'm 72, and have only had one kickback that strong. I don't remember the details, but I won't ever forget the 'Bang" as the piece hit the steel door behind me. Great video. Thanks. I'm hoping to stay at one such experience.
Glad to see the guy was actually using great form and precautions.
I'm not sure I can 100% agree with this. You can clearly see the operator caused the kickback. Watch carefully as his push tool clears the blade, and moves left away from the fence, knocking the cut off piece into the blade.
While Kickback can be caused via no user interaction, this one seems to have the contributing factor of the operators movement of his push tool to the left, knocking the piece into the blade. 3:40-3:43
You can't always know what's going to happen. So I'm not going to 100% fault the guy doing the cut. They could've done this multiple times before and this is that one time the piece didn't get far enough over and caught a tooth cause it to be flung into a wall. Could've been avoided? Sure, in hindsight and that's 20/20. Hopefully they'll know what not to do in the future and prevent it from happening.
While I trained with a pro wood worker for 36 months, years ago, I am not a pro, I mean, I do not do or know enough to call my self a master, nor have I made & sold wood works.
I am 60 & retired, I am showing my very able 26 year old son how to work safety around wood working tools. The table saw is my great nightmare, I saw a 20 year veteran woodworking pro cut his thumb all but clean off, at the first joint. They saved his thumb, the last time I was in his shop, he was using all his tool with no problem. Thank you for these video, it is much easier to show my son what is wrong & why or what is right & why with your help. You are a life saver.
I am pretty sure I speak for many who are so glad that: 1) No one was hurt, 2) There was no serious damage to any equipment or your shop and 3) The incident was caught on tape. This is something I will sure to remember when making a bevelled cut in the future. I like the idea of using an oversized push block to keep both pieces from moving after the cut is finished. Thanks for the video.
Absolutely sobering video. Especially useful for a person only considering to buy a table saw and thinking about safe ways to work with it. Thank you!
It’s ironic that him bumping the offcut piece to get it away from the blade to prevent kick back, the habit we all have formed, actually caused a kickback this time. Thanks for sharing. Never get complacent
Appreciate the video! Typical cut everyone makes usually without incident. Thanks for reminding us to always stay clear of that danger zone...
Mark - is there a typical danger zone when cutting? For instance, will a kickback always go in the same location, or can the kickback go anywhere?
I think you're somewhat missing the point. With a little extra thought and setup time before the cut, this could have been prevented. Of course staying clear of the danger zone is still a good idea, but that shouldn't be the only thing keeping you safe.
@@mattv5281 Thank you, Matt. I agree with you 100%. The table saw kickback scares the crap out of me. Every time I make a cut all I think is, “please don’t kickback, please don’t kickback.”
Typically the danger zone is the ally between the fence and the blade. This kick back happened with the cutoff piece being left of the blade. Normally a cutoff piece wouldn't react like this but because the blade was tilted gave it a place to shoot out between the blade and the table.
Thanks James. This is proof that everyone should go back through the stumpy nubs videos as part of their continuing education for woodworking.
"What did I learn here?" Let my staff cut narrow, beveled strips.
Seriously, glad nobody was hurt and THANK YOU for sharing your after action report.
I'm glad no one was hurt but I'm also very glad you caught this on video and shared it with us. This is the type of information we need so we don't make the same mistakes in the future.
Just yesterday I was making a series of repetitious cuts on my saw and I was doing exactly what the worker in your video was doing. The thought of that same type of kickback crossed my mind and I did pay a little more attention to what I was doing. After watching your video, I will pay a LOT more attention!
Thank you for the warning and keep up the good work.
holy crap. i know absolutely not the first thing about woodwork or carpentry. But this this video came up in my recommended because I enjoy watching things that I know nothing about. But seriously, holy crap! Thank goodness that worker was not in the path of the kickback!
This explains a kickback I got the other day!
Fortunately, it didn't fly very fast and didn't penetrate my leather apron. Already I (re)learned some valuable lessons, like "don't stand behind the blade", but I'm so glad to learn even more now.
Thanks for the excellent and informative video.
Years ago when I was still in elementary school I remember my dad getting an table saw, and on his very first cut with a scrap of wood this sort of kickback happened. Luckily he was following common safety guidelines and not standing directly behind the blade for this very reason so didn't get hurt, but this always stuck in my head because of how fast it happened like it did here. I always wondered what caused it to kickback, so your explanation on how it happens was really interesting!
I had a kickback hit me in the ribs so hard that it left a bruise the size of a baseball. I don't think it broke my ribs but it sure felt like it did. Major lesson that day. Anyway, thanks for the helpful tips! Love your channel!
Outstanding video!
I love ones that show us cool projects or shortcuts that make our lives easier. Jigs and sleds and many others like that.
But the ones I love the most are from people like you who not only take their craft seriously but do so with safety at the forefront of every action they take.
Thanks for educating us!
@Stumpy Nubs. Thank you James for this educational video. It's great that no one was injured and it made for a great lesson in shop safety. How lucky was it that it was caught on video for one of your wood working lessons but also turned into a safety lesson.
Hope you, your entire staff, and your families stay safe and well.
Have a Happy New Year.
Watched this video because I plan on making such cuts in the near future. Thanks for the teachable moment and I’m glad nobody got hurt!
Thanks so much for quickly educating us on this safety issue. This has happened to me several times; fortunately I have a habit of standing clear in case of kickback and have concrete walls behind me. Now I know what causes this odd kickback. The intellectual detail you provide is greatly appreciated!.
Why is it in woodworking there seems to be a culture of "deal with it" when it comes to safety? There's always a method for avoiding kickback, which can easily hurt someone. This was a great lesson for everyone, and there are plenty of options as you described that could easily avoid this problem. If I can't perform a non-dado cut on the table with without the blade guard and riving knife then I find another way to do it.
I think it's the culture of older generations perpetuating the myth that "manly men don't need safety." It's a stupid approach frankly.
@@falxonPSN The older generations like me and my mentors realised that we were working with dangerous equipment. Like this video shows accidents happen for a reason. When working with small or any size material on the table saw it is standard practice to push the wood past the blade and the cutoff stock make sure everything is settled then take your hand off the material and turn off the machine. That was standard practice, so evan without any saftey devices this would not of happened and never has happened to me or anyone that I have worked with. Plus it was common practice to run the saw blade higher than people are tought now. This accomplishes two things, first you are not pushing against the teeth of the blade and in a event like this the teeth are pushing downward. So I guess back then we were actually thinking about safety instead of assuming how much smarter we are.
I'd been familiar with using table saws in general but when I got my own for home use, some guys hadn't even come over for a look and their first question was "You took the guard off, right?" It's like that's the first thing you do to a table saw according them. I guess I should have gone to their cars and cut out their seat belts because how often do you really, I mean really, need those? Otherwise they are an inconvenience. 90% of the time, when I was looking at the guard as needing to be removed, I'd think again if there's a way to make that cut and still have the guard on. Of course some procedures need it off, but then I'd put it back on afterwards and not get sloppy.
Waw I am 47 years young and just taking woodworking back up after 3 decades and I can’t believe that these accidents have as yet not been abolished! That was so cool seeing it in action but I bet the gentleman working the saw was so glad he wasn’t standing right behind the blade but nevertheless to the left or to the right it doesn’t always save you. Thanks again for letting us woodworkers see this and at 2 30s of a second there no time to escape! Stay safe from kickbacks and coronavirus and hope 2021 is better for us all! All the best for 2021
Dale Harvey
Great video! Defineitley gives me something to be mindful of when I start using my table saw. Glad no one was injured.
Thank you James for taking the time to analyze the issue and share the results. I often make a cut similar to that on an old table saw that cannot support a riving knife. Time to make and use a low profile fence! Thanks again.
Glad to hear that nobody got hurt. Thanks for sharing this learning experience !
Very helpful once again! As an old shop teacher I appreciate all your tips, especially as they relate to safety. Stay safe.......
So glad that no one was hurt. I will be much more aware as a result of this video. Thanks James.
I really appreciate how you walk us all the way though the problem and the solution! I would have never considered this as a problem. I often have 2 push sticks, but this gives me a few new ways to make my bevel cust
Great safety awareness tip. Thank you for taking the time to share it to make all of us that much safer when using the most dangerous tool in the shop.
"I prefer to take the time to examine what happened and what can be done to prevent it."
This is just great advice in general. A lot of people just accept things as they are but you would rather figure it out and save others from injuries. Good on you.
ALWAYS install a large size catcher's mit immediately behind the saw in the kickback path so you don't lose exotic wood cutoffs. For cheap soft woods, any drywall backstop will do, or place saw where wood will eject into an open field. On drywall, always paint a target so you can keep score
How about a pair of soft nuts as a backstop?
Its all fun and games til somebody gets hurt..
Very fortunate teaching tool to have caught this on video. I like your point about the blade being higher so as to put the tip action force down instead of back. I'm a stickler for minimum blade height but this modifies that theory. Power equipment is dangerous under the best conditions and it's hard to make their use foolproof. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for this! I appreciate the quality of information you provide!
Wow, scary stuff thanks for pointing out safety issues.
Thank you for the service of putting out this PSA message. I appreciate it!
I tend to be more relaxed around offcuts than keep piece,
but this proves me wrong.
In any case, an eye opener for sure.
Thanks once again for sharing this. It’s so easy to take safety for granted and to get lazy. This is a great reminder.
Your 2x6 pushblock is awesome! I’ve made many that are much more complicated than they need to be. The control and stability of yours is what I’ve been looking for. Sometimes simple is better. Thanks
Thank you for creating this analysis and posting it up. Had a similar incident that I never figured out till now. And good to see the operator standing to the side of the line of fire.
Thanks for the update on the safety about the table saw. I would never have thought you would get kick back that way.
I’ve spent a good portion of my career in the Research, Development, Test and Evaluation (RDT&E) Field. What you show here is a classic Failure Effects Modes and Analysis. While we learn from our training and practice; I’ve come to realize we often learn far more from our mistakes and failures. However, it is much more desirable to learn from OTHERS (unfortunate) mistakes and/or failures. Excellent post and mega kudos to you Stumpy, for the share. You are one of my favorite YT gurus, my friend. Well done!! 👍🏻👍🏻
That had me laughing when you said something like "I just didn't accept that having deadly projectiles was a fact of woodworking" though, I agree.
VERY good safety video. I've had kick back more than once and its always frightening. I love the safety tip. This has got to be in your top 3 best videos.
Great video! I really appreciate that while your skills and those of your crew are far beyond mine I never feel talked down too, and you are able to describe complex things in ways that I can understand even if I don't have the same level of experience. Cheers.
You are doing great and important work with these safety videos. Thank you.
Thank you for this video! One can never be too careful around a table saw!
I'm am so glad you got this on tape, it is a great learning example and I am glad nobody got injured very scary
Great video. This was really informative for safety issues. Thanks for the PSA!
Wow. Just shows how much power is involved. It is also pleasing to see you do a bit of investigating to find the reason, and change your practice. Thanks James for a very valuable lesson. Happy New Year to all family and team.
Great video! I had this happen to me last year with the same results. It was a bit of a shock to say the least. I have never really found a great way to make these cuts so I appreciate the suggestions. I'm going to test them out and use one of them from now on since I make these type of cuts often. You guys keep up the great work!!!
Wow! I've never tried woodworking but I'm really into watching the videos. I'm looking into all the tips, tricks and advice I can find to be prepared when I finally have space to buy some tools to start woodworking. This is certainly some good info!
Good catch and thanks for posting this. New wood workers (like I once was) hear about kickback but unless they are learning in a class they ( I ) don't always understand just what they are being told or reading about.
Very important video! Glad you caught it on tape.
Great video and explanation!! Glad nobody was hurt!
This video was extremely helpful. I now understand the whole kickback thing. I only occasionally work with wood so this video saved me a trip to the hospital where they would have finished me off for sure!
I would never have thought of this one! Thanks so much for this.
That was an awesome video example of a wedged kick-back . thanks for sharing this one ,it's a real eye opener.
The military taught me to ALWAYS avoid flying projectiles . Great videos man keep up the hard work.
Great vid Stumpy. As I recently gouged my left thumb on the table saw I'm on a whole new war path in the shop to improve safety.
Nice five minute video. I’m also glad you caught it on camera and had took the time to investigate and share with us.
WOW, That was so lucky that it didn't hurt anyone. Glad you brought this up in a video.
Thanks, Stumpy. Excellent video. Happy New Year!
Great Video... I will show this in the "Safety Moment" portion of my company's ALL EMPLOYEES Meeting next Monday.
Wow! Great info as always James! Keep them coming.
I worked in a cabinet shop one summer in high school in the 80s. Saw a guy working the tablesaw have an oak face frame splinter like that and take a long piece of shrapnel from it right through his thigh. Very eye opening experience!
I'm about a year away from retirement (as of this posting) and want to get into working more. I've used a lot of hand tools over the years but I want to take on some bigger projects/more complex projects, so I plan on buying a table saw. Thanks so much for posting this. I won't forget it.
Great video, thank you. This will change how I think when I'm at the table saw and im sure it will affect alot more people.
About 10 years ago my table saw flung a piece of wood into my metal garage door. BANG. That incident made a believer out of me.
Thank you, James. This is very useful information. Never thought about this possibility before.
great video. I have experienced similar kickback and used your first suggestion of pusing my work piece straight past the bade and off cut. you have given me more options that look safer.
As always, great job! This was informative and to-the-point. Thank you.
Wow! Thanks for the fantastic information! I really like accident analysis information so I can learn how to avoid similar accidents.
Holy blleeeep, thank you so much for showing this the way you did stay safe and take care.
Glad your helper was properly standing to the side of the blade path, and not in-line with it.
I've had kickback once, and it left a mark for years. An inch or two to the left and I might not have the children I have today :)
Always happy to see these especially when no one gets hurt. It’s a good reminder. I have seen a 3 in piece of handrail return go thru a wall from cutting incorrectly on a chop saw. That guys lucky to be alive as a chunk of sharp oak wizzed past his face.
That’s great you had the video to help understand the reason for the kickback. I appreciated your explanation of how a high blade would have much less tendency for this kind of kickback. It’s another example of exceptions to the rule...the rule being extend the blade teeth a small distance above the workpiece. But not necessarily in a bevel cut situation. I’m sharing this video with my woodworking friends.
Thank you. How responsible of you to produce an important safety video such as this. A lesson to us all.
Great video! I love the way you refuse to accept the potential of an incident. I'm a safety director and approve your methods in solving these issues.
I took an offcut to the gut in this same exact manner. Left me bruised for a few weeks. I now no longer stand directly behind the blade. And I try to push offcuts through the cut as well when I can. Glad you got this on film to share with others!
This literally happened to me today and I had no idea what was going on. Thankfully I was clear and the errant piece hit one of my workbenches behind me. Thank you for the insight! Probably why my table saw has an auxiliary fence I never really use....🙃
Great video! The aux fence is a great idea. I have actually had this happen through vibration alone.
Good point. Besides vibration I’ve had “wind” from the saw blade lift cutoffs and drop them on the blade.
LOVE the common sense safety focus you have here. Thanks for sharing :)
Really REALLY eye-opening! Thank you!!!
Great tip-pretty sure this will help many folks out there including me!
Talk about a close call. It went right passed his hip & side. Glad no one was hurt!! Thank You for the tips!!! 😲🙏👍😎
Great catch. Thanks for making this video.
As a hobbiest woodworker all these videos about kickbacks have convinced me to never buy myself a table saw. Thank you for saving my life.