Bandsaw Accident
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Wow, thankful you weren't more seriously hurt. Thanks for sharing this and reminding all of us that stuff can happen in the blink of an eye.
thank goodness you lose fingers or hand !!
That's what safety squints are for.
I hate that I'm saying thanks for posting but thanks for posting and you weren't terribly injured
You know I try to learn from as many "professional" makers as I can. What I really like is that several of you are not afraid to show your mistakes and the videos that show what was done and how we can avoid what happened. I truly cannot express my gratitude for this community.
90% of the people on youtube abuse a tablesaw for all tasks. They're contributing to hundreds of thousands of serious ~accidents~ negligent incidents every year.
I think that might be the way I decide who to follow
It takes a lot of humility to admit your mistake and I think it takes even more to post this online. I’m very happy you weren’t cut by the blade. I had an incident on a chop saw and I cut my hand with the blade. It’s amazing how quickly it happens and I still remember to this day seeing the pink mist in the air which was the blood from my hand. That was 25 years ago but it feels like yesterday. Thank you for posting this!!
How did this happen? I'm in no way shaming you, I just want to learn from this mistep.
@@glenmchargue5461did you watch the video?
@@Alvah707you are reading to a reply to a comment not a reply to the video.
@@J053B01L u right u right my fault my fault
The video is to make money. 500k+ views already. Don't overthink it.
This is an excellent video for all to see. Not only does it show (and explain) a mistake to be avoided, but it serves as a reminder as to just how fast mistakes can bite you. I'm glad you were relatively unscathed. Stay safe.
"Done it several times without an issue" complacency is the biggest threat in any workshop, garage or machine shop. Glad nothing severe happened as you were reminded here 👍
Seems 90% of people who are seriously injured on a machine say they do it all the time without any issue
Giving him a thumbs up? So insensitive… just kidding. I calculated about 160mph is how fast he got hit by that handle.
"cigarettes are safe, I do them all the time and i didn't get cancer, there is this guy who smoked 2 packs everyday and lived to 90y old"
"shop dust and spray paint are not that bad, look at me, i used them with no protetction at all and i'm good for last 20 years"
Experience leads to complacency. I've seen it a hundred times. I've had to render first aid to people too many times because they have done something a hundred times + and let their guard down and lost fingers or got they're foot smashed or bad cuts because they were complacent!!
@@genecarden780We had one of these with a surface grinder in my shop. The operator had a steel plate down, freshly ground. Surface grinders tend to build up a metal sludge or paste around the part, as the particles stick to the magnetic chuck. It's best practice to wipe the sludge away from the part before removing it to make the next part significantly faster to load.
While wiping it away, his hand touches the grinding wheel, which instantly was pulled through the gap between the wheel and the part... After being surface ground, the edges of a part are ridiculously sharp. Like, exactly as sharp as a freshly sharpened knife, have to handle with anti cut gloves.
I was first on scene and rendered first aid. He got SO LUCKY. The distance between the wheel and the part's sharp edge happened to be 0.552 inches (we measured it afterwards). If it were 0.5, it would have cracked the bones in his first 3 fingers. At 0.4, it would have broken those bones completely. Anything less, and those fingers would have been lying on the floor. He got away with damaged tendons and some really deep cuts.
I did an after action with him, asked what happened, what we could do to prevent it in future. He said that he has done this 30 times a day for 2 years with no problem. It's untenable to stop the grinding wheel between each part (it would quadruple the cycle time on each part), so he raises the wheel about half and inch, then drives it back an inch, which gives him clearance to wipe the part down. On that day, he got distracted while driving the wheel back, and never finished driving it back the full inch, forgot that he hadn't finished, and started the wipe down. We put a bunch of controls in place to keep that from being possible again, but hot damn it was so close to ruining his life.
No telling how many serious injuries you prevented with this explanation. I don't use a bandsaw, I don't do the kind of work that requires one, but anything with jaws, teeth or a blade and a motor deserves our full attention. My hat is off to you sir for putting this out there.
Treat anything thats measured in horse power as a horse that wants your lunch - my grandpa
Just bought a band saw. Working to develop and gain experience and your video is a real lesson. I've learned a lot from your videos - this one I won't forget. Thanks for sharing. Glad your ok!
Bdiamaz, I’ve owned bandsaws and used them for many hours. They are about the safest woodworking tool in the shop. Never came even remotely close to hurting myself. This guy’s a special kind of stu pid.
@@trappenweisseguy27 congratulation for your certainty and arrogance
@@trappenweisseguy27 The attitude of "he is stupid, that would never happen to me" is precisely what will get you hurt one day. Yes, it was a stupid mistake. Jay Bates himself called it "bonehead". But if you think you're immune to stupid decisions...well good luck to you. I mean that sincerely!
It's a torque issue. The pivot point is at the table, but the point of contact (and where the torque force is being loaded on) is where the tooth of the blade first meets the wood. When the piece enters with the larger circle first, the contact point is further from the pivot and thus the blade puts more torque on the piece, making it harder for you to stabilize. Glad your safe. Many thanks for being humble enough to share this with others and encourage safety in the woodworking community. Go Blue, and Go Lions.
With the piece reversed the wood grain is sloping down in the same direction as the blade. The way the accident happened was with the grain pointing up for the teeth to grab . This is the other major reason.
Your guardian angel was next to you that day. What's important is that you learned from it, and are sharing the lesson with others. Respect!
These kinds of videos are invaluable reminders. Always, always, always think through what you're doing and why. So grateful you weren't seriously hurt. You have done a great service by "swallowing (your) pride" and giving the rest of us - experienced (to whom accidents happen to more often) and rookies alike. Respect to you, man. Not everyone is willing to show their ... lack of attention ... to the world.
I often hear how the band saw is one of the safer shop saws as the blade moves down and away from the operator. Thanks for showing that this is still a potentially dangerous piece of equipment worthy of all your attention when using it.
Yes one of the safer.......not "safe"
This is about one of the only ways a kickback could happen. Or if he were to try and cute a square block on the corner without it being flat. Because it's not flat to the table it allows the workpiece to move. Notive how when it first catches it almost pulls it down.
Jay thank you for this video. Bandsaw safety videos are something that I haven't seen before. I don't yet have a bandsaw but I want one, and this is something I hope stays with me. I never would have thought about the issues you raised and the cause of this incident. Keep up the good work. You are one of the best.
Very glad that you are safe and still intact! Thank you for sharing this reminder with all of us!
Great learning experience for all of us. Thanks for your humility. So glad you are OK.
I don't use my bandsaw nearly as often as you. Thank you for sharing and brining this to my attention. Truly appreciate all that you bring to us.
Glad you weren't hurt. These kinds of videos are great safety reminders and teaching tools. It's so easy to get complacent and not think things through. So many people get hurt and think "I knew better, why did I do that?" or "I should have see coming."
Thank you for making this short video about this.
The more people are able to see the dangers of certain actions that can be dangerous, the safer we can be in our actions.
Stay Safe Everyone!
Thank you for this. I am a new bandsaw user and I have that same band saw. My favorite tool at the moment, but I think I was getting too complacent with it. So again, thank you for bringing back to reality for me.
Never cut round stock over an inch or so radius. It is unsupported at point of contact and will spin out of control as happened in this video.
Thank you for being willing to share. What a great reminder and warning for us all! SO glad you have full recovery foreseen.
Glad you're ok, thank you so much for posting this, it's a great reminder of what can happen in an instant, even with a very skilled wood worker such as yourself!
Thanks for sharing this, Jay. It is a great reminder to pay attention, be present, and work as safely as possible around power tools. I am glad for your sake that it was not any worse.
So pleased you are OK and can share this learning episode with no more that a bruised thumb.
Very glad you weren't hurt! Thank you for sharing this, I do believe it's important to share this. I have a bandsaw and watching that ordeal, well it honestly causes me to not take safety and thinking ahead for granted. Just so glad you are ok. Always appreciate your vids.
I’m very glad you were not permanently injured Jay, thanks for sharing and walking us all through it frame by frame. Your one of the earliest woodworking icons that I first discovered on CZcams years ago, take time to think about setting up each cut before you make them and if something doesn’t feel safe step back and re think it. I like how you said when you are running a saw that is doing something, music is not needed in that moment.
Thanks for sharing, Jay. Glad your injuries were minimal. Really appreciate you sharing this with us as a teachable moment for all.
Thank you for sharing this experience! I'm always amazed by people who seem to be able to listen to music, podcasts, or what have you while working with power tools. I know from experience that I am easily distracted and your experience reinforces my feeling that I would be foolish to EVER attempt it. Thanks again!
Glad you were able to come away with just a valuable reminder / lesson and not an injury! Thank you for showing this and not hiding it. This will no doubt save a few injuries alone.
It’s awesome you have balls enough to show this boss ! Appreciate it immensely ! This will help a multitude of people period ! Good on you sir !
Jay, first, I am glad that you are OK. You are one of the most down to earth and humble makers that I follow. Taking the time to put this together is such a responsible thing to do. We all have these lapses from time to time. Sharing them and showing how very quickly things can go from normal to sour, for even an experienced craftsman, is so important. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for putting this out here Jay, it's all about learning! I think one of the core benefits of DIY videos is being able to learn both the good and bad from others in our community. I did something similar in one of my videos and, although there were several negative comments, the majority of them were very supportive and appreciative of the teaching moment I shared! I'm glad you're OK and really appreciate all you do / contribute to woodworking and DIY!
I've never tried to resaw anything round on a bandsaw, and if I had to do it I would not have known the danger if you hadn't made this video. Thank you for the humbleness it took to make it and passing on the valuable lesson you learned to us! I'm sure you have prevented others from the same fate or worse!
What a great down to earth video! Often times I roll my eyes about those over-the-top accident videos, but you outright got to the point, owned your mistake and did a sober investigation of the root-causes. That was really great. Thanks for sharing your mistake for all of us to learn, way to go!
Wow! Glad you’re ok man, been watching you for years and you’re one of the safest woodworkers I know
Tragar el orgullo y mostrar el accidente para que a todos no nos pase nunca me hace tener el Mayor Respeto hacia tu persona. Muchas Gracias!
Excellent video, Jay. I am glad you were not seriously hurt. You likely saved a bunch of woodworkers from losing some digits by documenting your incident and teaching this valuable safety lesson. Also, a great move to immediately announce to your wife that you were not hurt. I am sure she appreciates you saving her from worrying even before she knew she had to worry. I am not sure if the Van Halen was a factor in any way, but if you are going to listen to music in the shop, I recommend Rush. 😉😉😉
Something more important than fingers was at stake here, that board hit him in the face, it also splintered and a chunk flew off. What if unprotected eyes had come into contact with a shard of wood in this scenario, loss of an eye and possibly penetration through the eye socket.
In the future I recommend that all charcuterie boards to be kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw.
@@amazingpopculturepodcast I love it!! I wonder if there are any other New World Men who caught that reference. Well done, sir!!
@@runnerandgunner7954I bet there’s some analog kid or digital man that will get it. Thank you :)
Thank you for sharing. Glad to see you're okay. This is valuable to everyone to share your experience 👍
So glad you are OK Jay! Grateful you shared this very important lesson for ALL of us to learn from… Thank you!!!
That happened so insanely fast. Glad you are safe and thanks for sharing your experi me for us to all learn from
Wow, thank you for sharing this, thank God you didn’t get seriously hurt, hopefully you saved someone in the future from serious injury !!! ❤
I am so thankful you are ok THANK YOU for showing this as it is a HUGE REMINDER for all in the shop to pay attention to what is going on in a shop again glad you were not seriously hurt 😮
Glad you are ok!!!! Thank you for sharing and helping to prevent others from getting hurt!
Thank you for this lesson. Breakdowns like this really do help others. You are saving fingers, eyes, and maybe even more by swallowing your pride, admitting you could have done better, and most importantly sharing with others. If you haven't had an accident in your shop...you are nothing but lucky. It will happen. You might not get hurt, but the possibility was\is certainly there.
Thanks for sharing so we can all learn from this and glad you are ok!
This is one of the best woodworking videos I've ever seen. Thank you so much for putting this out.
Lots of other people would have been too embarrassed in this situation, but actually watching a real example of an experienced woodworker making a dangerous mistake is extremely educational and useful, because it really can happen to anybody if you're not careful, and if it happens to you, the band saw (or whatever power tool) really does not care who you are or how much experience you think you have. It was also great that you went through all of the potential contributing factors, and listed off all of the things that you shouldn't have done (not just one).
I don't do woodworking that often, but I've always had a personal philosophy never to listen to music any time I am anywhere near an active power tool (whether I'm the one using it or not). I just don't want to risk my concentration being reduced in any situation that could potentially take off a body part faster than I can even react if I'm not careful about exactly where I am and what I'm doing at all times...
I have only just started watching content on woodworking and the algorithm randomly recommended this, first video of yours I have seen and I can honestly say we need more videos like these showing that how just a single mistake can spell disaster. Thank you for sharing this, you very well might have saved someone from a serious injury or worse.
Wow, glad it wasn't worse. Also, good thing you were wearing safety glasses since it hit your head.
Excellent video and a reminder about bandsaw safety for everyone. Should be required viewing for all bandsaw users - regardless of experience level. Glad you weren’t seriously injured. Simple accidents like this can easily change the course of the rest of your life.
Thank you so much for uploading this! I am a woodshop instructor and I tell my students about this problem regularly, but I love having such a perfectly filmed, but thankfully non-gory, example of exactly what can happen. I'm glad you ended up safe as well, but thank you for being willing to post your mistakes like this.
I have a ton of respect for you making a video like this. on your mistakes in the shop and it makes us all safer at the end of the day. Thank you!!
Thanks for sharing Jay. I’m glad you weren’t seriously hurt. I had a similar accident many years ago when I got my first bandsaw. Now I use jigs or clamps for running round material through the bandsaw.
It could have been worse is an understatement!! Glad you're OK. Also, I never thought about round objects and rotation. Thanks for the reminder to stay aware.
Thank you for the humility to share this with us!
I try to always remember to never be complacent around machines that can change your life in 1/24th of a second. But it still happens to the best of us. We are always constantly learning and you sharing this video will hopefully prevent some of us having to learn the hard way!
Thank you for sharing this accident. I had a few friends and family who do woodworking as a hobby and I will be sharing this video with them, in an effort to help them prevent injuries in their shops.
What timing!!!I'm brand new to woodworking and just got my bandsaw in on Tuesday this past week. I hate that I had to learn like this, but sure appreciate you sharing it with us!
Please read the operating instructions carefully - they came with the machine.
Thanks Jay. A very timely video as I'm about to make something similar. We had it hammered into us at trade school that there are no such things as an accident but a chain of events leading up to it. Interrupt any one of the events and you can prevent the "accident". Happy to see you weren't seriously injured.
Takes a real man to admit his mistakes and show the world, on video I might add, in order to turn his mistake into a learning experience for others. Says a lot about you as a person. This tells me that you are a thoughtful and caring person for you to share this with everyone. Really glad that nothing serious happened.
Wow. Glad you’re ok. Thank you so much for sharing. It makes us all safer through a shared experience.
Glad you're okay. I don't, and never have listened to music in the shop for that exact reason. I know me, and I know I'll get distracted. Thanks for sharing the after-accident analysis too. As you note, it's a good reminder to keep the focus.
The amount of “action” that happened before you reacted is so crazy. So fast! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for showing this! So glad you are OK!!!
A big thank you for posting this - I would have never thought of a band saw being this dangerous, albeit a rather unusual case
I once heard there is no such thing as an accident just a series of bad or decisions. Thanks for posting and explaining all the conscious and unconscious "decisions" that went into what could have been a very serious incident.
It's not QUITE true, but for most things we experience human error is almost always the root cause.
Glad you weren’t hurt worse! I winced through the slo-mo when your hands were no longer pushing on the part, but we’re free to move towards the blade. Luckily, you were quick enough to avoid that! Makes me want to design a special push stick for bandsaw operations. Thanks for going through this accident in detail, we all need the wake-up call!
This is something I noticed. Immediately after it grabbed, he moved back. It would have been an easy reaction to try to grab at what was no longer there.
I'm very glad Jay reacted well.
Thanks for sharing Jay. We all make mistakes but its great when we can learn from them, and share that knowledge with others.
A great reminder about the dangers of complacency. You get used to doing your thing and it's easy to forget the appropriate steps. Not just here, but with many different jobs. Great content, thank you for this.
At my job they are really pushing that “all” accidents can be avoided. I’m starting to slowly agree with that premise. Glad you are relatively okay other than the bruised thumb and ego. I’ve had the same type of accident and also got “lucky”. Thank you for sharing it.
Yes, turn off the music!
Glad you are okay. Thank you for sharing.
As soon as I saw the piece you were cutting I kind of knew what was going to happen . I cut a lot of round stock on my bandsaws (2 wood cutting and 1 metal ) and had a few pieces get away. Luckily I've only ended up with damaged stock or flying parts. Now I always use a sled that I built for the bandsaw or on the metal one I hold the stock in a clamp or vise.
I'm not sure how I would approach re-sawing a large round like you were. Definitely would keep the handle forward and a modified push block to support the back .
Glad you’re alright man. Thanks for sharing and teaching. Stay safe.
I appreciate your showing this, you can never be too careful. I was shocked at the speed that it happened.
Wow! Glad you're okay, bud. The band saw is usually the one that gets me complacent. It just doesn't seem like it can do the damage that a table saw or router can. But this goes to show that anything with a quickly spinning or moving blade is dangerous. Complacency will hurt you.
This is literally the must useful bandsaw video I've watched. Thank you for sharing your experience and hopefully preventing a multitude of accidents.
Glad you are safe. Thanks for showing your errors as well as your good items. I would not have thought about that happening.
Thank you for sharing this. You have just helped countless people in fighting complacency.
Ouch! Glad you weren't hurt more seriously Jay!
Glad you are ok. THANK YOU for sharing this close call and learning experience….
Good reminders about having full concentration on the task when operating powerful equipment! I’m a machinist by trade and have had injuries over the years, and the common issue was not having adequate concentration on the task at the moment of accident. Excellent video! As the others have already said, I’m also happy you weren’t more seriously injured. No more hot for teacher brother!
Glad that such a violent force didn’t hurt you worse than it did. You are such a talented, confident, machine operator that complaisance is a factor. Thank you for sharing.
Would a simple fixture (say two rectangular pieces of MDF, with the profile of the charcuterie board routed out of them) be suitable in this case?
Yes, this is the right way. No need actually route the profile though. Put the board against a piece of scrap (mdf or whatever) on the fence, place the handle in front and down against the table and screw or glue a small block to the scrap and in contact with the top of the handle. Use a push block to keep it pressed into the fence and the handle couldn't spin in either direction. A piece or two of double stick tape would make it even a little more secure.
Oh f....
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Wow Jay! So happy you will be okay. Thanks for sharing! A good lesson for us to learn. Thanks!
Glad you were not seriously injured... and as everyone else has stated - THANK YOU - for sharing this experience AND your explanation on what happened!
First off, so grateful you were not hurt worse than you were. Second, thank you for putting this out there to help educate all of us. I have worked for over fifty years in a wood and metal working shop, and yes one millisecond of attention loss can be horrid. I'm not going to explain how I know; I just do. Again, thank you for the educational video.
I had an accident with my table saw. I was cutting a thin strip off of a drawer bottom and did not remove my gloves. The blade was down to 3/16" of an inch and hooked the tip of my middle finger and pulled my index finger into the blade. Nothing was cut off, but both fingers had to be close in surgery. REMOVE YOUR GLOVES!!!!!!
I"ve been doing some kind of woodworking for 60 years and I know accidents happen VERY quickly. A few years ago I got my thumb sucked into a 1 h.p. router trying to route a round over on a round picture frame. It took the side of my thumb knuckle right to the bone. You learn very quickly that you did something wrong. Fortunately all healed well and I learned from it. Thank you for telling your story in order to give some one else a heads up. Bob.
So glad you're safe Jay. And good on you for sharing. It's a good lesson.
Glad you’re ok. It’s amazing how quickly things can go bad.
Thank you for showing this. I'm so lucky something like that (or worse) hasn't happened to me yet. But videos like this keep me vigilant.
Glad you didn't get hurt much!
Thanks for sharing. Keeping focused on things to avoid careless mistakes is what I find most difficult. Luckily I avoided major injuries like you. Shakes you up though! Glad you're not too badly hurt.
You got lucky there Jay!! and it's a good thing you where recording.. it happened so fast that you would of never knew what really happened. At the same time this is a perfect video for us to see and not always realize how quickly it can go bad! Usually what not to do safety videos you see doesn't turn out with just a bruised thumb.. glad that you're OK and thanks for sharing.
Love the fact that you explain it so precisely.
Holy cow! That could have been so much worse. So glad you are OK. Great lesson for you and everyone watching this video.
OMG! Thanks for sharing this and I’m super glad you weren’t seriously injured.
Thanks for sharing that. Everyone says these accidents happen so fast but to actually see it was an eye opener. I'm sure I'll be more focused when cutting materials from now on.
THANK FOR SHOWING THIS JAY, IM SO GLAD YOUR SAFE BUDDY
Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot from your explanation and frame-by-frame commentary. There is no telling how many accidents you have prevented by letting others see this in detail.
Thanks so much for sharing this Jay. You'll likely help at least one person avoid a much worse injury.
Glad you're OK.
Wow! Glad you’re ok, and thanks for sharing this!
Thank you for taking the time to share this video, glad you're still in one piece!
Many, many thanks for sharing. Super important reminder. Glad you're not injured.
thanks for sharing. Freaks me out as much as the other table Saw accidents I've been watching. I won't be using one of these in a hurry. But this is very good to know!
I had a moment like this when I first got my bandsaw. Every tool has its peculiar mechanics that it's very had to predict all the things that can go wrong until you see it happen. Glad you're ok!
Thank you, Jay, for sharing. I actually am unboxing my first bandsaw purchase today and happened to come across this during my morning coffee! I will certainly give new respect to this machine that is “so much safer than a tablesaw“.