Good Video! very nice job! I purchased a CVA ACCURA LR a Couple years ago. really enjoy it, I have a couple others, TC ENCORE, Renegade, and Hawkins...I seem to always come back to my CVA! Love BH209 and my SSTs and the bore drivers. Keep up.the good work. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! New Sub today, 12/1/2022!
Great video. I highly recommend 100 grains by volume of Blackhorn209 and the Barnes 250-grain Spit-Fire T-EZ. I sighted in 5 of these muzzleloaders last year that we bought for new hunters and every one of them shot that bullet and powder combo under 1 1/2" at 100 yards. A smoke brake can also go on there and it shoots your smoke to the left and right so you can see your shot better.
From what I understand, 100gr by volumetric measure should weigh about 70 grains. I do like Barnes bullets! Had great luck with the Xpander MZ in the past. Might have to try that Spit-Fire sometime.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist The MSD sheet for BH209 says it contains about 15% Guanidine Nitrate, which is slightly corrosive. About 83% of it is smokeless powder (nitrocellulose), which is not corrosive.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist I have recently developed a new type of muzzleloader cartridge which contains no corrosive chemicals. It is loaded from the muzzle but ejects itself from the barrel after use and is non-corrosive. This product sets a new standard in safety and reliability for muzzleloader ammunition in the same way shotgun shells are standardized for use in shotguns. Shotshells have a load of shot and powder which produce a safe pressure in shotguns manufactured by many different companies. The pressure produced by this cartridge can be designed to work safely in the muzzleloaders produced by the various manufacturers. It would also greatly help new muzzleloader shooters with safety, and it would also give them a product which will not destroy the barrel of their muzzleloader due to corrosive residue.
Those who say smokeless powder cannot be used in a muzzleloader may not know “Blackhorn 209” is 83% smokeless powder, based on the MSD sheet for the product. Therefore, the claim that smokeless powder cannot be used safely in a muzzleloader falls apart very quickly. This cartridge could also be loaded with BH209 or a similar formulation in states which do not allow "smokeless" powder during muzzleloader season, in the same way the breechloading "Firestick" cartridge is now used in the "Nitrofire" muzzleloader. This would be a "Muzzlestick" cartridge which would work in thousands of other modern muzzleloaders, which cannot use the "Firestick" cartridge. This cartridge can also be removed from inline muzzleloaders by removing the breechplug. I am now looking for a company willing to mass produce this new cartridge for the market. I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass this information along to those you know who may be interested in this new product.
A link is found below which demonstrates this new product.
Personally had good luck with the Barnes 250 tez also, except I use 110gr by volume blackhorn 209 with the magnum mz bullets. Magnum mz are Barnes tez except they use the magnum wad, which improved my groups from 1 1/2 to 3/4" in .50 lr-x...
Do you have a list of the kit you have for this rifle as far as powder, slug, cleaning supplies, etc that you have found to work best? This video was extremely educational as I’m looking at either this or maybe the Nitrofire (I’m a noob with muzzleloaders and it seems super simple)
I shoot a black powder rifle with a scope on it and it definitely looks like you're not sighted in so your groups are on the paper but with the look at the bullseye you're not sighted in
I’m hoping to get back out with it soon! I did take it to those distances a few weeks ago, but the range was too crowded and noisy to film, as it was right before rifle opener. Thanks for watching!
Really enjoy this video, might have to buy me one of them. I have a CVA optima and used 100 grains of 2 triple 7 pellets with a 250 gr Hornady XTP it seemed to only have the zip up to a 80-100 yards. I basically feel it’s like shooting a deer at point blank with a 45 acp. @ a 100 yards. Not that it’s terrible but I shot a small buck at 40 yards and the slug didn’t exit. Trying Barnes tmz 250 grainers. Would you recommend the 30” barrel? Or stay with the 26”?
Should be able to shoot Blackhorn in your Optima if I’m not mistaken. Not sure on the barrel length or what the velocity difference would be in a muzzleloader, but the 26” is nice and handy though. I’ll be testing a few different bullets through it soon, looking forward to what it’ll do on deer in a month and a half or so!
No, the price and availability of Blackhorn 209 powder isn't kind of ridiculous, it's very ridiculous. Everything I've seen about the Blackhorn says it's doesn't start shooting until you exceed 80 grains. (By weight). I was fortunate to get crazy buying the Tripple Seven Firestar pellets at Walmart a year ago for $17.00 per package of 60 and they work very well in my Optima V2 LR and my other three inlines so I'm good on powder for a long time anyway. Although there is a pretty good crud ring issue with Tripple Seven for some reason. If you want some really dirty shooting, get yourself some Pyrodex, really dirty stuff, but it shoots good other than that problem. And finally, that SST bullet is very hard to beat for the price. Bought about twenty boxes of them from Midway for $13.00 and they shoot very accurately through all three of my guns. (Cleaning), there is never too much of it with a muzzleloader! Clean it up completely clean and then go back once a month and do it again, you will get more crud every time. There is no such thing as too much cleaning. The generous use of bore butter in the barrel when you're done, or think you are, helps tremendously you'll find out too.
yea i had to get the tripple loose powder.it works pretty good.im getting tight groups out of my wolf v2 and accura in 45 caliber with 80 grains by weight.
It's pretty sad that a muzzleloader shoots better than more than half the rifles out there.I bought the same muzzleloader and completely love it and if you can afford to shoot the BH 209 stay with that it does make a world of difference, that's all I shoot out of mine after a little testing with some other powder and even after shooting it a few times you still don't need to clean it until after hunting season if you choose too. The ram rode is only for field use not sure why they made it like that
Agree! Great shooting piece. The BH 209 makes sense for me with the low volume I’m going to shoot with it. Folks don’t seem to like the ramrod, but I like it personally. Since there isn’t a provision for the ramrod to be carried on the rifle, it’s nice that it folds into a compact length that can hang off a belt or backpack.
i have a cva accurra and it loves imr whitehot pellets 150 grain total with 285 grain bullet accutips and at 100 yde 5 shots in a .750 group and at 200 yds its 5 shots in a 1.25 group.. you should try it .its much cheaper. i killed 2 deer at 200 yds with complete pass threw hitting in the shoulder.i shoot 10 shots without cleaning no problem.
Cheaper, yes. But with how much cleaner the BH209 burns, and the small shot count out of a muzzleloader, it’s worth it to me to pay the extra. Sounds like you’re getting great results though!
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist whitehot powder leaves almost no residue in the barrel.and it cleans up with just a little water on the patch at the end of the season.i clean my gun once a year.
Did this come with the 209 breech plug? Hell I can remember when Panama Red cost less per pound than BH 209, but I do love the stuff. Don't use bore butter with it or you'll have a proper mess
I just purchased this exact rifle, but in the Alpine Vail camo pattern at my local Fin Feather and Fur two weeks ago. Here we are in 2023 and “STILL” Blackhorn 209 powder is “NOWHERE” to be found! What a joke! What a very, very bad joke! I really don’t want to shoot anything else in it but the black horn 209, It looks like that plans not happening though. I swear, I almost want to take this rifle back just because of this fact, and this fact alone. Because it’s just totally absurd. And the few people that I do know in the universe that have found the Blackhorn 209 powder Paid $80 minimum for 8 ounces of it! Are you kidding me? Just totally and completely absurd what the Hodson Powder Company is pulling and has been pulling for quite some time now. If you are lucky enough to be one who finds it just make sure that the company is legit and not asking you to just pay with PayPal, the Cash app, or Zelle. These companies are scam artist and will 100% take your money!!
Good luck finding it! Honestly, I’d pay the $80 for 8oz if you can’t find it cheaper. That’ll last you 50 shots at 70gr (by weight) which is plenty for a few years of hunting and shooting for most folks. 100% worth it for the ease of cleaning, IMO.
Thanks for your reply. At this point I would also. I watched a video where someone said they had gotten a hold of theirs from a Cabela’s in South Dakota. This person lived in Pennsylvania. I live in Northeast Ohio, but entertained the thought that I just might have been able to get a hold of some if they still had some. Called them up and they did have 2/8 ounce cans left. So you know my next question was can you ship it to me? He said he couldn’t ship it, but they possibly could on their website, and if they could, it would say they could. Well, of course they couldn’t. Which really leaves me to wonder how this other person that Is a huge CZcams Influencer got a hold of theirs, but a regular every day Joe can’t. They lived in Pennsylvania, And I guarantee you they didn’t drive all the way to South Dakota to purchase their’s! So do you know what’s going on here in 2023? Years after you posted this video and it’s still unavailable everywhere? From what I’ve heard it’s been like this for years. So my question is I know your explanation for it at the time this video was created, but is it the same explanation that they are giving everyone today? Are they not going to manufacture it any longer now? Or are they doing this on purpose just to make maximum profit off everyone, and ensure that every milligram they make is going to sell? It just really seems like a really lousy deal to me that they sell a ML that performs the best with a certain black powder, that is also highly recommended by the manufacturers the gun, however one will never be able to get it. And it’s not just me who’s unhappy about it, theres a lot of folks who are!!
i use 777 fffg powder . 1lb is $40 vs $155 for the one pound of BH209 you got . i'm sure the book is worth the $115 difference . i agree the free floating claim is total BS . thanks for sharing and take care , jeff
I find in my muzzleloader that if I am shooting sabots there can be considerable plastic build up on my rifling. Normal bore solvent will not remove the plastic. I use copper solvent to remove the plastic and then chase the solvent with a quality lubricant to dilute the copper solvent because the copper solvent is very corrosive. I also use a brush and patch with the copper solvent. May help your accuracy issue.
lol I've never seen anyone clean a barrel after only 2 or 3 shots, you must be a muzzleloading newbe, you really dont need to baby it even if thats the first time taking it out. dont let anyone tell you otherwise. you can get away with 20+ shots before cleaning it again, if your cleaning it so much to maintain accuracy, the only thing your doing is wasting cleaning oil, patches and time. just trying to help u kid
Haha I’m used to shooting straight FFg black powder, where if you don’t clean between each shot, you can have the potential to blow your face off while loading. And a lackluster cleaning job between shots meant the bullet got harder and harder to seat. Learned from my dad who was an engineer for a major muzzleloader manufacturer, been shooting them myself for about 20 years now.
I agree. I have a TC triumph that after the third shot I have to run a brush and patch. I use BH 209. I also shoot flintlocks with Goex and will be trying Swiss powder this year. Great video!@@TheOutdoorGeneralist
Helpful hint....take a dryer sheet and swab the inside of your plastic powder carrier tubes and the BH 209 will no longer stick.
Good idea, thanks!
Yes I can vouch for that it works great
Well... I'll be darn. I will give that a try, thank you
Top notch information and a great in depth review!
Good Video! very nice job! I purchased a CVA ACCURA LR a Couple years ago. really enjoy it, I have a couple others, TC ENCORE, Renegade, and Hawkins...I seem to always come back to my CVA! Love BH209 and my SSTs and the bore drivers. Keep up.the good work. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! New Sub today, 12/1/2022!
I really enjoyed this video ! I’m thinking of getting into this and your video told/showed me everything I was looking for. Thanks
Just ordered a MR-X 45 cal in sniper grey/ Rockslide camo. Can’t wait for it to get here .
Great job on the video and great review.
Thx for a great review. 👍
Great video!
Great shooting
Hey Joe static guard spray works very good hint" let it dry before you fill with powder
You can get great sabots and bullets from Harvester muzzle loading supplies. They have grest bullets too.
Great video. I highly recommend 100 grains by volume of Blackhorn209 and the Barnes 250-grain Spit-Fire T-EZ. I sighted in 5 of these muzzleloaders last year that we bought for new hunters and every one of them shot that bullet and powder combo under 1 1/2" at 100 yards. A smoke brake can also go on there and it shoots your smoke to the left and right so you can see your shot better.
From what I understand, 100gr by volumetric measure should weigh about 70 grains. I do like Barnes bullets! Had great luck with the Xpander MZ in the past. Might have to try that Spit-Fire sometime.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist The MSD sheet for BH209 says it contains about 15% Guanidine Nitrate, which is slightly corrosive. About 83% of it is smokeless powder (nitrocellulose), which is not corrosive.
@@SpotterVideo Interesting! Thanks for the info!
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist I have recently developed a new type of muzzleloader cartridge which contains no corrosive chemicals.
It is loaded from the muzzle but ejects itself from the barrel after use and is non-corrosive. This product sets a new standard in safety and reliability for muzzleloader ammunition in the same way shotgun shells are standardized for use in shotguns. Shotshells have a load of shot and powder which produce a safe pressure in shotguns manufactured by many different companies. The pressure produced by this cartridge can be designed to work safely in the muzzleloaders produced by the various manufacturers. It would also greatly help new muzzleloader shooters with safety, and it would also give them a product which will not destroy the barrel of their muzzleloader due to corrosive residue.
Those who say smokeless powder cannot be used in a muzzleloader may not know “Blackhorn 209” is 83% smokeless powder, based on the MSD sheet for the product. Therefore, the claim that smokeless powder cannot be used safely in a muzzleloader falls apart very quickly.
This cartridge could also be loaded with BH209 or a similar formulation in states which do not allow "smokeless" powder during muzzleloader season, in the same way the breechloading "Firestick" cartridge is now used in the "Nitrofire" muzzleloader. This would be a "Muzzlestick" cartridge which would work in thousands of other modern muzzleloaders, which cannot use the "Firestick" cartridge.
This cartridge can also be removed from inline muzzleloaders by removing the breechplug.
I am now looking for a company willing to mass produce this new cartridge for the market. I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass this information along to those you know who may be interested in this new product.
A link is found below which demonstrates this new product.
CZcams video: “Self-Ejecting Muzzleloader Safety Cartridge: Product Debut (short version)”
Personally had good luck with the Barnes 250 tez also, except I use 110gr by volume blackhorn 209 with the magnum mz bullets. Magnum mz are Barnes tez except they use the magnum wad, which improved my groups from 1 1/2 to 3/4" in .50 lr-x...
I got mine off gunbroker for like 375. The thing is a tack driver and i absolutely love it
Good buy!!
Do you have a list of the kit you have for this rifle as far as powder, slug, cleaning supplies, etc that you have found to work best? This video was extremely educational as I’m looking at either this or maybe the Nitrofire (I’m a noob with muzzleloaders and it seems super simple)
I shoot a black powder rifle with a scope on it and it definitely looks like you're not sighted in so your groups are on the paper but with the look at the bullseye you're not sighted in
I wish they could make a double barrelled version.
In your free-float discussion, the foreend is not connected to the stock or action assembly, so probably would be free floating.
Where’s the 150 / 200 yard video? I’m anxiously waiting those results!!
I’m hoping to get back out with it soon! I did take it to those distances a few weeks ago, but the range was too crowded and noisy to film, as it was right before rifle opener. Thanks for watching!
Really enjoy this video, might have to buy me one of them. I have a CVA optima and used 100 grains of 2 triple 7 pellets with a 250 gr Hornady XTP it seemed to only have the zip up to a 80-100 yards. I basically feel it’s like shooting a deer at point blank with a 45 acp. @ a 100 yards. Not that it’s terrible but I shot a small buck at 40 yards and the slug didn’t exit. Trying Barnes tmz 250 grainers. Would you recommend the 30” barrel? Or stay with the 26”?
Should be able to shoot Blackhorn in your Optima if I’m not mistaken. Not sure on the barrel length or what the velocity difference would be in a muzzleloader, but the 26” is nice and handy though. I’ll be testing a few different bullets through it soon, looking forward to what it’ll do on deer in a month and a half or so!
I love the stainless steel/black stock look, is the stainless version also cerakote finished like the other colored ones they sell?
No, I don’t believe so.
No, the price and availability of Blackhorn 209 powder isn't kind of ridiculous, it's very ridiculous. Everything I've seen about the Blackhorn says it's doesn't start shooting until you exceed 80 grains. (By weight). I was fortunate to get crazy buying the Tripple Seven Firestar pellets at Walmart a year ago for $17.00 per package of 60 and they work very well in my Optima V2 LR and my other three inlines so I'm good on powder for a long time anyway. Although there is a pretty good crud ring issue with Tripple Seven for some reason. If you want some really dirty shooting, get yourself some Pyrodex, really dirty stuff, but it shoots good other than that problem. And finally, that SST bullet is very hard to beat for the price. Bought about twenty boxes of them from Midway for $13.00 and they shoot very accurately through all three of my guns. (Cleaning), there is never too much of it with a muzzleloader! Clean it up completely clean and then go back once a month and do it again, you will get more crud every time. There is no such thing as too much cleaning. The generous use of bore butter in the barrel when you're done, or think you are, helps tremendously you'll find out too.
yea i had to get the tripple loose powder.it works pretty good.im getting tight groups out of my wolf v2 and accura in 45 caliber with 80 grains by weight.
It's pretty sad that a muzzleloader shoots better than more than half the rifles out there.I bought the same muzzleloader and completely love it and if you can afford to shoot the BH 209 stay with that it does make a world of difference, that's all I shoot out of mine after a little testing with some other powder and even after shooting it a few times you still don't need to clean it until after hunting season if you choose too. The ram rode is only for field use not sure why they made it like that
Agree! Great shooting piece. The BH 209 makes sense for me with the low volume I’m going to shoot with it. Folks don’t seem to like the ramrod, but I like it personally. Since there isn’t a provision for the ramrod to be carried on the rifle, it’s nice that it folds into a compact length that can hang off a belt or backpack.
@The Outdoor Generalist if you can replace the buckle on the pouch it's really cheap and don't stay buckled
@@gisconstruction1977 ah good to know, thanks for the warning! I’ll keep an eye on it.
i have a cva accurra and it loves imr whitehot pellets 150 grain total with 285 grain bullet accutips and at 100 yde 5 shots in a .750 group and at 200 yds its 5 shots in a 1.25 group.. you should try it .its much cheaper. i killed 2 deer at 200 yds with complete pass threw hitting in the shoulder.i shoot 10 shots without cleaning no problem.
Cheaper, yes. But with how much cleaner the BH209 burns, and the small shot count out of a muzzleloader, it’s worth it to me to pay the extra. Sounds like you’re getting great results though!
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist whitehot powder leaves almost no residue in the barrel.and it cleans up with just a little water on the patch at the end of the season.i clean my gun once a year.
@@jwca35 oh good to know! I may have to try it out sometime. Thanks for the info.
Did this come with the 209 breech plug? Hell I can remember when Panama Red cost less per pound than
BH 209, but I do love the stuff. Don't use bore butter with it or you'll have a proper mess
It did come with both breech plugs, one for loose powder and one for pellets. Both for a 209 primer.
@@TheOutdoorGeneralist Thanks, guess I'll be returning the BH 209 plug I ordered with mine then.
@@zdogk9 I had bought one too that I ended up returning. The website listing didn’t have a lot of info on what all came with besides the ramrod.
is it drilled and tapped (at the muzzle end) for iron/open sights?
It is!
Is a background check required to purchase this type? Does it cost xtra to do the check?
Nope!
Would those pellets work fine in a fancy gun like that or ya need blackhorn
It does come with a breech plug for use with pellets
Did you ever go out to longer range with this?
I haven’t yet! Will by the start of next hunting season for sure.
What scope are you using?
This is an old Bushnell Banner scope I bought when I was a teenager. 3-9x40 IIRC. Pretty poor glass but it holds zero.
Which one is better MRX or the LRX
@@kevindills7936 oh I think that’s going to come down to personal preference. The only difference I’m aware of is the barrel length.
I just purchased this exact rifle, but in the Alpine Vail camo pattern at my local Fin Feather and Fur two weeks ago. Here we are in 2023 and “STILL” Blackhorn 209 powder is “NOWHERE” to be found! What a joke! What a very, very bad joke! I really don’t want to shoot anything else in it but the black horn 209, It looks like that plans not happening though. I swear, I almost want to take this rifle back just because of this fact, and this fact alone. Because it’s just totally absurd. And the few people that I do know in the universe that have found the Blackhorn 209 powder Paid $80 minimum for 8 ounces of it! Are you kidding me? Just totally and completely absurd what the Hodson Powder Company is pulling and has been pulling for quite some time now. If you are lucky enough to be one who finds it just make sure that the company is legit and not asking you to just pay with PayPal, the Cash app, or Zelle. These companies are scam artist and will 100% take your money!!
Good luck finding it! Honestly, I’d pay the $80 for 8oz if you can’t find it cheaper. That’ll last you 50 shots at 70gr (by weight) which is plenty for a few years of hunting and shooting for most folks. 100% worth it for the ease of cleaning, IMO.
Thanks for your reply. At this point I would also. I watched a video where someone said they had gotten a hold of theirs from a Cabela’s in South Dakota. This person lived in Pennsylvania. I live in Northeast Ohio, but entertained the thought that I just might have been able to get a hold of some if they still had some. Called them up and they did have 2/8 ounce cans left. So you know my next question was can you ship it to me? He said he couldn’t ship it, but they possibly could on their website, and if they could, it would say they could. Well, of course they couldn’t. Which really leaves me to wonder how this other person that Is a huge CZcams Influencer got a hold of theirs, but a regular every day Joe can’t. They lived in Pennsylvania, And I guarantee you they didn’t drive all the way to South Dakota to purchase their’s! So do you know what’s going on here in 2023? Years after you posted this video and it’s still unavailable everywhere? From what I’ve heard it’s been like this for years. So my question is I know your explanation for it at the time this video was created, but is it the same explanation that they are giving everyone today? Are they not going to manufacture it any longer now? Or are they doing this on purpose just to make maximum profit off everyone, and ensure that every milligram they make is going to sell? It just really seems like a really lousy deal to me that they sell a ML that performs the best with a certain black powder, that is also highly recommended by the manufacturers the gun, however one will never be able to get it. And it’s not just me who’s unhappy about it, theres a lot of folks who are!!
Jeff Hankins does the conversions to smokeless powder. He says to use IMR 4198.
Where does one find this information?
Thats a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RIFLE !!! YOUR INFORMATION IS FALSE AS TO THIS RIFLE !!!
Why pay the extra 90.00 to to a switch to the larger primers,
Sorry, not sure I understand the question.
How many yards are you shooing?
50 yards in this video.
i use 777 fffg powder . 1lb is $40 vs $155 for the one pound of BH209 you got .
i'm sure the book is worth the $115 difference .
i agree the free floating claim is total BS .
thanks for sharing and take care , jeff
i have thelrx in 45 and im not shooting good as you are in groups.maby i need to try different powder weight
i switched to hornady bullets and im spot on.
I find in my muzzleloader that if I am shooting sabots there can be considerable plastic build up on my rifling. Normal bore solvent will not remove the plastic. I use copper solvent to remove the plastic and then chase the solvent with a quality lubricant to dilute the copper solvent because the copper solvent is very corrosive. I also use a brush and patch with the copper solvent. May help your accuracy issue.
@@davidstallard1829 thanks.when i went to 80 grains by weight it started grouping nice
I'll stick with pyrodex.
Blackhorn 209 is great powder, but at $89 for 10oz nope nope.
Yeah that hurts. I’ve seen it lately for around $75, which is better but still rough.
Estas tirando muy duro de gatillo 🧐
The ram rod is a joke not a funny one
I agree. That's why I bought my he Optima V2 in camo and stainless/black nitride instead. Also got the open sights model.
I’m not a big fan of the collapsing rod either but so far it’s worked ok.
lol I've never seen anyone clean a barrel after only 2 or 3 shots, you must be a muzzleloading newbe, you really dont need to baby it even if thats the first time taking it out. dont let anyone tell you otherwise. you can get away with 20+ shots before cleaning it again, if your cleaning it so much to maintain accuracy, the only thing your doing is wasting cleaning oil, patches and time. just trying to help u kid
Haha I’m used to shooting straight FFg black powder, where if you don’t clean between each shot, you can have the potential to blow your face off while loading. And a lackluster cleaning job between shots meant the bullet got harder and harder to seat. Learned from my dad who was an engineer for a major muzzleloader manufacturer, been shooting them myself for about 20 years now.
I agree. I have a TC triumph that after the third shot I have to run a brush and patch. I use BH 209. I also shoot flintlocks with Goex and will be trying Swiss powder this year. Great video!@@TheOutdoorGeneralist
All I can say is dont turn your back on this guy in woods. Catch my drift
Explain your drift.