Driving With Tesla's FSD 12.4.3 - Quick First Impressions
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- Quick test of Tesla's newest FSD build 12.4.3 to see what has been fixed and what still remains an issue if any.
// CAR CONFIG //
Car: Model S '22
Trim: Plaid
Hardware: 3.0
MCU: 3.0
Full Self-Driving: Enabled
FSD: 12.4.3
FSD Profile: Assertive
Auto-Offset: ON
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thx for the quick update. I was taught that a traffic light that is out is treated as a 4 way stop.
Was thinking the same thing. Should be flagged.
Correct
@@BlackTesla In 'real world' it's more like a yellow light - if you actually stop, you'll cause a wreck.
I'm in PR - we have lights out all the time - 90% or so just cruise on through - IF no cars, traffic the other direction.
Also - GREAT VIDEO! LOVE YOUR ANALYSIS :D 9.2! Great score lol
@@Bitcoin-gj8vn In the rule book, you are supposed to stop and then go when clear or when it is your turn.
@@Bitcoin-gj8vnI've been to PR and lights out or not at night most people don't stop at all. I asked the locals why that is and they said they just don't and if you do stop then people will know you're not a local and increase your chances of getting robbed. Luckily from the beginning I noticed that immediately and said if they aren't stopping then i won't either. But that's what a few locals told me. A texi driver as well.
You have a really good vocabulary bank! Your commentary on this subject is by far the best on CZcams! Thank you for the updates.
Agreed, easily the most well spoken of the FSD reviewers on youtube that I've seen. Especially for being off the cuff!
@@bretonkyle Maybe he is working from a script? 😀
@@DerekDavis213 You are the one working from a script that says "reply on every single video and every single comment about FSD and just talk shit to rage bait people" LMAO
Yeah most FSD CZcamsrs engage in scatterbrained and annoying chatter, but everything this guy says is well considered and informative and delivered at a pace and with the right level of detail that I have no problem staying tuned into.
@@paulhamrick3943 100% agreed!!
As someone else mentioned, 12.4.3 is going wide now. I just got it today on my 2024 Model 3 Performance and I'm nobody special (not an early release tester).
Yes its expanding but not wide yet
im still on 12.3.6, anxiously waiting
The play by play cadence over otherwise boring video earned my subscription. Well done sir.
Very useful indeed. I find the billion cam views annoying when crammed into one little screen. Now if they knew how to do 360 vids (or better: vr180)...
Wow, we are getting close
It will never self drive on HW4. HW5 will be the game changer, and then the share price will rocket if not before.
@@jjjxoxoxo So you know this how, meaning, do you have information that’s not in the public domain?
It’s apparent that full self driving is only a short time away. Each build has its own collective knowledge. It’s incredible to see how far it’s come!
@@davidreimer97 For people that have been watching FSD develop for *years* , it is apparent that Full Autonomy that you can trust is years away.
My favorite FSD videos are from Black Tesla! Tesla should hire this man!
5:38 My understanding is if a light is out you treat it as a stop sign.... I wouldn't give it quite as much praise.
Yeah, that's what I thought. (I'm in Canada, but I bet that traffic rule is the same.)
Thought it was for when a light is flashing red? (Can't remember)
@@bowser0897 You are correct. As is lights out equals stop sign.
@@craigsilver8248 I'ver very sorry to hear that. I hope things will get better soon.
That's correct here in WA State, too. You treat the stop light out as an all-way stop. Black Tesla should not be praising the car for essentially running a stop sign.
Thank you for explaining why some versions of FSD do not go out to everyone. I have been wondering why I still have 12.3.6 but now it makes sense.
Was waiting for this video. You do the FSD tests the best!
I concur
Turn signal is PERFECT when it was passing even parked cars. It’s a GREAT FEATURE. That was something I learned in Italy/Europe. Turn signal always used when overtaking. Leaving the current lane and entering opposite lane. I LOVE when mine does that.
Thats atleast what they teach us in germany :D
That’s what we are taught in Canada too. Was surprised when he said it was an issue
Agreed. I would have done that
I think with 12.4.3 Tesla has achieved FSD.
Job done.
Good job.
12.4.3 is still Supervised Driving, with many interventions on challenging drives.
Self Driving that you can trust is still YEARS away.
@@DerekDavis213
Both of you are wrong. This version is not there yet, but it won't take years either. 12.5 and 12.6 are coming this year, and those will be yet another step change. At that pace I don't see how it would take long.
And Elon just said that one of the new models (forgot which version number) will be an 5x bigger network. That doesn't just mean significantly better performance, but likely entirely new behaviors too. This is the general experience with large neural nets, as they grow, new behaviors and capabilities emerge automatically.
I'm inclined to agree with Derek but the threshold of trust will be different for different people. Even if FSD becomes practically flawless there will be a long validation period before Tesla let it go unsupervised. I would expect at least a year in the 1st instance and probably 3 months between point releases, quicker if the fleet is very large.
@@DerekDavis2132-3 years. Not decades away...
@@andrasbiro3007 It *does* *not* *matter* what Elan says. He has a long history of hype and broken promises. Elmo has very little credibility .
I agree! I don’t want it until it’s better than what I have and the bugs are worked out. Thank you Black Tesla! 👍🏽
I agree with the turn signal at 3:38 min just incase someone behind you does not know or see the obstacles that the car could see. It also tells the person behind to wait or caution just incase they play the hasty game. So yes, sort of agree with it.👍💯
Fair
Indeed. It does this on 11.3.6, too. It's to let the car behind know that you're not pulling over to park, but are in fact pulling out into traffic after pulling to the side of the road to let someone from the opposite direction through.
Thank you for giving us some more insight into what the public gets and what testers see, testers experience and public notices.
Great first impressions drive. Thanks for capturing this and getting it out to us so quickly. Looking forward to the next drive!
man these places are beautiful. hope whole earth was this cleanead and developed
Soon enough. On the cusp of bot revolution...
Thanks for the quick video release on this version!
Thank you for the video. I can't wait to try this version out!
You have a great channel man. Love the comments about the speed limit. I've never considered a Tesla until FSD 12.4.x series... it has me really researching
Just Do It!
-Nike
A non-operational traffic light is treated as a stop sign, in every area.
Traffic lights out is a 4 way stop so that’s not good that it didn’t stop.
The road he's driving is a main street, the left and rights are side streets w/ stop signs.
@@19valleydan There were no stop signs, only lights. Pause at 5:39 to see. This was a fail for sure. Needs to come to a stop there.
@@BlaziNTrades Yup, that was an illegal running of a four-way stop (how you treat a stop light system that's out). Not impressive, and something Tesla should have sorted on earlier builds.
Keep up the good work brother💪🔋
Your are the best fsd channel imo 🎉
Thanks, BT for keeping me informed
Thanks for the demo!
I'm downloading 12.4.3 now
Always enjoy your content. Great work.
Thank you for all you do with this!
This is the best drive I have seen on your channel! Keep up the great work. Hopefully, you will take it into more difficult areas soon.
I really think Teslas FSD will be ready for robotaxis this year.
I never clicked on a video so far! It seems that this built was good! I hope that it goes out to Canada where I live
Ur supposed to put an indicator on when going around a park car
Would love to see NYC gauntlet again with 12.4.3
Interesting in CA when a light is out you're supposed to treat is as a stop sign.
Uhhh? What else do you do?
Thank YOU for sharing your test drive experience. Already seeing improvements.
SUCH an improvement in handling the blinking yellow light (3:11).
Seems more sure-footed.
Great job BT , you are the best !
NYC next please 🙏
Nice! Thanks, MAN
Another great job. I hope they do push this version out to the rest of us.
Great video I love your content. Please keep up the excellent work. You’re always a joy to listen to. So intelligent and very precise with your analyzation.
In Germany, the correct behavior would be to signal when there is an obstacle on your side of the road
Naw you gotta aggressively swerve without warning off the road, don’t you know anything?! (Sarcasm)
Same in Norway as in Germany then .
This drive would be absolutely perfect in Norway .
The correct behavior (US) is to signal when moving around a stopped vehicle WHEN crossing the center line. The car did what it should, it was not an error.
Thanks brother
upvoted!!!
It amazes me how negative people will be and not notice that history is literally happening before their eyes. This is also coming from someone that doesn’t own a tesla or is a tesla fan boy, but hell after seeing this my next car is going to be a model 3 in a couple years
People are negative for very good reason: Elan has been making big promises for years, and those promises remain *unfulfilled* . Elmo has very little credibility at this stage of the game.
@@DerekDavis213Most people promise but never fulfill, however, Elon promises he usually fulfills though it’s late. The world is better off because of Elon!
@@DerekDavis213 How about focusing on what has actually been achieved, rather than going all negative about not meeting the (admittedly lofty) promise?
Tesla's FSD really is way way better than other systems (Waymo not included since that's different) in 95% of the roads. But the media/people focus on that 5%.... :(
@@DerekDavis213I do wonder how Elon will justify adding all-conditions/weather sensors to the Robotaxi, since "vision is all that's needed". When that happens, I'd advise everyone to upgrade their Tesla to HW5 asap (when out), rather than hoping their hw3/hw4 will become unsupervised FSD one day...(it never will)
@@DerekDavis213 people that have paid for fsd and all of that i feel for them im talking about the public in general always trying to belittle innovation and not just being in awe of it
Love your content! Keep it going!
In version 12.3.6 I had to intervene for a state trooper's car in the left lane with the blue lights activated on a four-lane divided highway with a 55MPH speed limit. The vehicle did not slow down in the right lane and it wanted to change to the left lane behind the state trooper. In addition, it does not slow down when emergency vehicles or disabled vehicles are in the next lane. Had I been using Auto speed, I would not have been able to slow the max speed seeing the state trooper in the distance. Version 12.3.6 sometimes does squirrelly movements when going into turn lanes. I also observed weird intermittent incorrect speed limit readings on roads that I always use. It is getting better, but the driver needs to be vigilante (i.e., supervise). Thanks again for the new video.
Impressive progress
Thanks
You are on my top 2 list of FSD testers! TY for your commitment and commentary. It's good to see the same routes. Although, I'm not much of a fan of the "OK for me, not for thee" political commentary.
Anxiously awaiting this. I had to stop using 12.3.6 last night on major hwy as it kept reading route numbers as speed limit signs and slowing from 65mph to 30 mph for every route sign. Never occurred in any previous versions.4 yrs
Thanks!
great video.
Well done!
You should use blinkers any time you depart from your current lane.
good commentary at end.
Pretty sure the law requires you to treat a non-working traffic light as a stop sign. FSD violated the law. That's a moving violation, not a good response.
Where I live, here are some of the rules, which may or may not be different:
1. If the car is far enough to the right, then you must use a turn signal to move back towards the center of the road. I think signaling back to the center was legit for us, your car was mostly to the right side of the road so this seemed proper to me.
2. Lights that are out are considered 4-way stops and the car should come to a complete stop before proceeding. I would have actually reported that one.
3. If the road is wide enough for two cars, then it's considered two lanes, even if markings do not indicate this. You can choose the dominate the entire road, but it could be considered obstruction of traffic.
Putting the indicator on is correct as it crosses over into the middle of the road.
Good vid
Great video as always. Thanks for keeping it real. One tid bit about the "light's out" scenario. In Ontario, Canada (where I am), we are legally required to tream all lights out situation as an "alway stop". So, if FSD behaves the same in Ontario as it did where you are, I might get into trouble. I am wondering if the rules are different where you are. May be this will be part of more localized fine tuning in up coming releases.
8:25 I think this was totally fine the other car didn't pre roll so i think this was fine IMO.
Which one is better dodging a branch on the road even though it was unexpected or running over it and possibly having a flat tire as expected? I think it deserves a pat on the back for the evasive maneuver.
Well polished video 👌🏾
9:20 "smoo-oo-oo-th" as you go over a bump. 🤣
This seems better than previous versions
As Black Tesla said himself: FSD is improving in *Baby* *steps* .
Full Autonomy is a long ways off.
Good stuff! Tnx! Also, Tesla should allow transfer of fully purchased fsd for trade-in to new Tesla buy within two years.
Very helpful, thank you
Always great, I check your vids with every release, always well commented and FSD tested! I just realized I just got the FSD 12.4.3 update notification as well. I will be updating my X from 12.3.5. I’m not an early release tester or anything, so I think its going wide already :)
On the wide street, the city does need to paint anymore lines, just go to one side of the road when you get to the light instead of waiting in the middle so people could turn right. I understand the car chose to go in the middle but for other drivers wanting to turn right just simply moving over will work
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when you pass a car that is on the right and you move over to the left, in Belgium you are supposed to indicate this using the turn signal. You flagged it in the US, but in Belgium it would be law to use your turn signal when passing a parked car on your lane.
When are you going to take this test back to NYC? I want to see how v12 handles compared to your previous test with v11.
Soon
12.4.3 back in NYC during rush hour is going to sadden all the Tesla fans. The results will not be pretty.
Don't know if I'll be able to do rush hour that's at least a 45-60min drive video will be 1-2hrs long
@@BlackTeslaCan be trimmed to 10 mins of actual interesting moments...
Good job as usual. Did FSD intentionally avoid the pothole or was the pothole just not in the way of the tires?
🤷🏾♂️
would love to see this on UK roundabouts xD
Hey, I love your channel and videos! I have a 2022 model s and my drivers instrument panel is always getting small lint particles inside of it that I cannot clean. I know you’ve had this model s for quite some time, I was wondering if you have experienced the same. It’s mainly visible with sunlight hitting it.
No issues with lint
As usual, great observations. I've been running 12.4.3 for about a week. I can't say it's better, but it's different. Seems to bias to right lanes even if it causes late lane changes to the correct left lane. Automatic speed control now usually slower but maybe a little too slow now. Turning off auto speed offset doesn't seem to help. But the elimination of the nag is impressive and responsive. Sure wish it would work with sunglasses but that will probably never happen. Thanks again for your reviews!
Man, I've been watching you for so long that I cringe every time you take this drive and hit that pothole! Meaning, I feel the pain. That it didn't hit it this time (which I was already cringing in anticipation for) makes me wonder whether it was just luck, or actual programming?
Good stuff though, and great narration too. Wish I was on the "early adopter" "branch." I don't make videos of my drives, but I have a very short route that FSD still can't make it through without intervention (since 2021), and it's not a complex route.
I’m so jealous of the US FSD capabilities compared to what we get in the UK 😭
Nice job! Thanks!
Give that a 10
😬
@@BlackTesla I actually appreciate where it decides to use the left turn signal as it goes around the parked car. I think it is appropriate for going into the opposite lane.
It is for someone who might be following you closely and havent seen the parked car yet.
In Switzerland, you would have to put a turn signal in this situation. Are you sure it‘s not the same in the US?
Looks like really good new version. Just hoping it will come to Europe sometime
I don't care what you like or not.
The car should obey the traffic laws.
Where i live you have to signal if you drive around a parked car and changing into the lane of oncoming traffic.
It should stop where it needs to stop and glide through where it can safely and legally.
Concerning the speed limit i understand both points of view.
Personally i drive the flow of traffic if i have full control.
Traffic aware speed control or FSD i drive the Speed limit...
One day you will now be allowed to turn that automatic speed offset on. The option will be there but it will be hard set to off. That will be a great day for road safety.
Thank you for your meticulous testing. (1) In one of your earlier videos, you criticized the abrupt breaking of FSD, which precluded the use of regenerative braking. Has this deficiency been corrected in this FSD update? (2) Has the FSD dead zone problem, discussed in one of your earlier videos, been corrected? (3) Have you tested the FSD on barrier gates, which one would see at a toll booth, pay parking lot, or train track? In your video, there was no train and consequently the barrier gate was elevated and not blocking the road. Some other testers have commented on the difficulty of detecting barrier gates, which required manual intervention to prevent a collision.
1) No
2) Some areas like the one I mentioned are fixed but there are still some out there
3) it doesn't work for barrier gates
So thank you for the video, and the ride along, and as always, great narration, describing what’s going on around the car, very impressive drive too.
They really need to get this out, because I’m stuck on V12.3.6, it’s a little buggy, and it’s just absolutely the pits with these damn nags, and they just need to stop using it, because I’ve already gotten 3 strikes, and what I don’t understand is that if you’re going to tell me the software is that good, and I think it is, even with the bugginess of V12.3.6, and when the thing gives you a strike, it doesn’t tell you anything about what it is you did wrong, and so it’s frustrating because it’s not like you can get instant feedback, as to what you did wrong.
It’s like the kangaroo court, where they jump over the normal edges of the law to convict you, which is ridiculous, and counterproductive to getting more people to wanna use the software, and isn’t this about getting more people to be able to experience the software, and to understand, that this is not just about some G whiz tech, so that you can impress your families, and friends, but this is about saving lives, because even driving with V12.3.6, without question, the car is driving better than I am, today.
So I think it should be obvious, and of course, I understand that Tesla doesn’t want people crashing their cars into anything, particularly because of inattention/distraction, and whether it’s the fault of the driver or the software, isn’t it still the responsibility of the driver to make sure that he or she is in control of the vehicle at all times?
The answer, of course is yes, and and the law still requires a motor vehicle to have a licensed driver behind the wheel anytime it’s operating on a public street/highway, and so it makes sense to reiterate that this is a supervised option, and that we the drivers of a motor vehicle, whether it’s a Tesla or someone else’s, model car, the driver is still responsible for driving the car in a safe and lawful manner, and so why the hell does it continue to bug me with these nags, to put my hands on the wheel or whatever the hell is telling me to do, it makes no sense, as it’s my life and I’m not gonna do anything stupid or else why would I buy $100,000 car so I can crash it into a wall or another oncoming car, that makes no damn sense, and nobody who would do that should be driving a car in the first place, if that’s your intention, as it’s cheaper to buy a gun, and use it to blow your damn brains out.
So Elon, if you’re listening get this out to everyone, and for Christ sake, get rid of those stupid negs for crying out loud.
So sorry for the rant there, I do appreciate all the work you put into this, you’re helping a lot of people calm their nerves over all of this, because if Tesla is going to launch a Robo taxi, what is in China and eventually elsewhere, they will have to at least get to a level 4 autonomous driving in my estimation. Your thoughts. Cheers 🥂
I thought it’s the traffic light is out, it becomes a four way stop.
Beautiful. 12.4.3 looking good. I think I heard 12.5.x should have highway driving heuristics replaced by the v12 NN stack. And isn’t v12.6.x going to run native on HW4, instead of under HW3 emulation?
Yes but unsure of how it will go since HW3 is the focus now and HW4 running in emulation mode, but HW5 being developed and ready by next year HW4 will have a short run it seems.
@@BlackTeslaI feel like I drive better and safer than FSD on HW3 training. I probably won't drive better than FSD unsupervised on HW5-training (2-3 years?)... Will likely wait until then for my first Tesla...unless Robotaxis with basically HW5 make it a moot point. Will pay 60c a mile tomorrow if had that option lol
i love ur video, do u think i should get model x?
Yes
@@BlackTesla Ok
I think the rule if the traffic light is off, you need to drive the intersection like a stop sign.
5:35 isn't it a suppose to treat a light out as a 4 way stop?
Interesting that it only slowed down for the light that was out. I believe the law generally requires that you treat such a situation as a four-way stop. But I don’t know if that varies by state.
All states in the United States require drivers to stop when approaching a disabled or non-functional traffic light. The standard practice across the country is to treat such intersections as four-way stops, ensuring safety by having each driver come to a complete stop before proceeding when it is safe. This uniform approach helps maintain order and reduces the risk of accidents at intersections where traffic signals are not working. If there are specific local variations, they would still generally adhere to the principle of requiring a stop to manage the intersection safely.
Interestingly:
1. **Germany**: In Germany, if a traffic light is not functioning, the default rule is to follow the signage at the intersection. If there are no signs, drivers must yield to traffic from the right, according to the "right before left" rule. This effectively means treating the intersection as a yield rather than a stop.
2. **United Kingdom**: In the UK, when traffic lights are out of order, the intersection is typically treated according to the existing signage. If there are no signs, drivers are expected to proceed with caution and courtesy, often yielding as necessary.
3. **France**: Similar to Germany, in France, if traffic lights are not working, drivers must follow the existing road signs. If there are no signs, the "priority to the right" rule applies, meaning that vehicles coming from the right have the right of way.
These variations highlight how traffic rules can differ significantly from country to country, particularly in the case of disabled traffic signals.
I'll take 12.8.8, lucky version 😂
TSLA BULLISHNESSS
From what I see, it looks so much better than version 12.3.6. I have been waiting for 12.4.x for several weeks now and I wonder why it is not yet available here in Canada. Any idea?
It's not ready yet
I miss the snapshot button. I wish I was EAP but I usually get pushed within few hours as group after.
Hey Black does the FSD notice toll booths/which ones (EZ-Pass/Cash Only) to pull into due to either memory/selection?
It recognized toll booths and will notify you when approaching but doesn't discern EZ-Pass/Cash
@@BlackTesla
Oh ok but that would be a good add on feature where maybe there’s a category you can add in that you use EZ Pass/Cash and it takes note of that but also goes to that desired lane.
putting the turn signal to overtake the car is correct, that's what you should normally do.
A light out is supposed to be treated as a stop sign. That should be flagged as it's technically the same as illegally running a stop sign.
Any idea when it will release wide?
Mixed feelings on the branch-diversion...but I get it!
Any inside baseball on the Cybertruck FSD release?
Coming soon...next month I believe
@@BlackTesla 🙌 🤞Thanks brother.
12.5
Avoided the pothole. Big improvement!
But still unable to intelligently avoid potholes or debris in the road, *consistently* .
05:14 If you hadn't turned the steering wheel here, would there have been a collision with the car parked?
I got the FSD 12.3.6 for the free trial. As good as it was, I don't want to pay for it again until the nag feature is gone.
The govt requires that. It may be a long time before it is gone. It might get perfect and the govt might not agree for 1-3 years. But I understand that benchmark for FSd…I am excited for that so I can move into the country and sleep during my commute.
Do u think the interventions are 5-10x fewer in this compared to 12.3.6?
Depends on your definition of "intervention".