Tesla Finally Allows HANDS FREE Self-Driving... Kind Of
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Observation regarding the strikes... It seems like if it tells you to pay attention and the image is showing grey hands, you can just look back at the road, and it'll be fine. But if the image is showing the red/orange hands and it beeps at you it's way more sensitive, and would prefer it if you apply force to the wheel rather than just look back at the road. So if you want to avoid strikes in the future, that might be the key.
Yes. Theres two types of nags. The common nag you can flick the scroll with and get rid of. The stressed nag is when FSD isnt comfortable, usually caused by rows of traffic cones in my experience, it throws up the red hands, and you must torque the wheel. You can not flick the scroll wheels for this type of nag. It wants solid 2-3 seconds of pressure on the wheel or youll get a strike. This is whats happening to him. There is no difference in beep sounds or colors besides the tiny red hands to tell which type of nag you're getting. And since you're suppose to stare at the road like a robot, its impossible to glance down and check if its a normal nag or red hands nag. Bad design, surely it will be fixed.
@@Buggabonesvery annoying, it red nags all the time if there's a turn, sometimes even if your hands are on the wheel because you have to apply an unrealistic amount of force, and the line between that and disengagement is too shallow
I almost always have to disengage when I see the red hands it seems not to notice the typical slight turning Force and I don't want to risk getting a strike
I wonder if Tesla is thinking of this as very transitional towards a very soon to be much closer to FSD state so hasn’t overly focused on perfecting this UI?
Do you ever find yourself in an argument with the Car?
“If you don’t hold that steering wheel I’ll turn off so there”!
“Nag at me one more time, and I’m donating you to a city college”
It is strange that the new (no hands) system requires you to keep your eyes on the road yet you need to keep your eyes on the screen if you do not want to miss a note that you need to pay attention to the road. They need an audio sound saying to keep your eyes on the road before they give you a strike otherwise one must keep looking at the screen to make sure the car knows you are keeping your eyes on the road.
It's really easy to see the blue flashing out of the corner of your eyes though
FWIW: I've found that if i look ahead and don't move too much with 12.3.6 it'll go a really long time without asking, like 10+ minutes.
Same. I was quite surprised.
I think resting your hand on the wheel is still the best thing to do since you get the feedback of the instantaneous steering control which helps ease your mind about trusting it or not and if you do need to take over you are instantly ready for it. Personally I prefer having to touch the wheel and not looking forward to not having to touch it and it wanting me to stare straight down the road the entire time.
Your videos are so "teaching" oriented. Thanks appreciate your approach.
I am just trying to put the information out there so people know what's up and can make informed decisions. Many people take it that I am trying to influence them one way or another... I do not care, I tell you my opinions with actual daily use use, the facts, and then you're free
Thank you for demonstrating the limits and behavior of the new hands free option. I could sense (maybe vicariously) your anxiety over getting another strike! (I viewed the first one, too). We appreciate you taking one for the team. It is nice, however, that we can "earn" getting the strikes taken away. I like all of this.
Great clarification update 👍
Hey Chris, I just want you thank you for the video, and the ride along. I am currently driving on V12.3.6, still waiting for the update to V12.4, and so I got so angry after getting 2 strikes for not having my hands on the wheel, I simply turned it off, as I really took it personally, not that I didn’t deserve the strikes, as I almost never put my hands on the wheel, because that’s the reason I bought the car. I didn’t buy the car so that I can drive it around, I bought the car so that it can drive me around.
So again, thank you for all your work, and I really appreciate you, as you’ve been very helpful, in your explanations/presentations in all your videos. Cheers 🥂
You created/reinforced an incorrect impression when you spoke about "privacy" concerns when you said "let them see you". The camera that evaluates your attention to the road is entirely local to your vehicle. It even says so in so many words in your Tesla FSD documentation.
Unless you check to share data....
Between 2019 and 2022, Tesla employees used an internal messaging system to share sometimes highly invasive videos and images recorded by customers’ car cameras. These built-in cameras, which assist with driving, captured content that was routinely shared among employees. Some of the shared material included people in compromising situations, such as a video showing a man approaching a Tesla completely naked. Other footage involved car crashes and road rage incidents. It’s concerning that some of these recordings were made when cars were parked and turned off, allowing employees to see inside people’s garages and private properties. Despite Tesla’s claim that the camera system is designed to protect users’ privacy, this incident highlights the need for better safeguards and transparency regarding customer data.
Thank you for covering this .
That was my main concern- could you just revert to the old nag system when wearing sunglasses. Appreciate you!
It actually mentions hats and sunglasses in the release notes!
Since you seem to have the attention of Tesla engineers on twitter. Could you ask them to add an option for safety score warnings. I’ve been thinking it’d be kinda cool if there was an orange-red warning similar to the blue FSD warning anytime we’re braking too hard or turning too hard or following too close and all that jazz so we can more proactively drive safer when not using FSD. I think that’d be badass and would be well received.
Otherwise fuckin love your videos keep it up!
Very helpful Chris. I also wear sunglasses on all day time drives unless it's raining. AS I have a 2018 Model X (no interior camera) I won't be able to take advantage of hands free driving. The duration between nags seems much shorter than what you experience. Mineis 30 seconds or so and is really annoying. Perhaps it's longer with highway driving and in that scenario, I tend not to use FSD when there is a lot of traffic. I know that seems counter intuitive but the X notifies with a thin white light on the binacle display and it is easily ignored even when you are concentrating on the road. I lost FSD for 7 days just because of that notification feature which I believe is poorly implemented on this older model Tesla.
Would be nice if there was an option to use steering wheel nag instead of camera-only. I don’t usually wear sunglasses or a cap, and I don’t mind the nag. An option to choose your own monitoring preference would be ideal.
Love ur content! keep up the good work
I, for one, plan to keep my hands on the wheel. Thanks for another great video.
I like resting my hand on the wheel so I can be more aware of lane changes and turns that the car initiates. I just hated it when I would get an alert because my hand was resting too lightly on the wheel.
I find this "Eyes Forward - Hands-Free" feature way too sensitive from when there is a 1st warning (for example looking at the Tesla screen to change a setting, drinking a beverage, etc) and staring straight ahead for the camera to confirm your eye position, B-BAM.... strike-out. It would be better IMHO if after the first warning it had a count down timer or next final warning to let you know that it is going to a issue a strike-out. Then, what the heck, one has to STOP the car and re-start, which is silly, since most will do this awkward off/on ramp procedure or worse, stop on the side of the highway which is very dangerous. Best approach would be a time-out period which gets longer each time one gets a strike-out, for example from 1 min for the 1st, 1 hour for the 2nd, to 7 days for the seventh, for each cumulative strikeout, reseting each strikeout every 7 days from when it was issued.
“A” “Shock” for Ashok was the funniest thing ever.
In my area, 12.3.6 doesn't see the 70, 75 mph speed limit signs. It also still wants to run off the road in the same spot. I guess it is depending on mapping rather than using the cameras. I hope 12.4.1 will fix this.
There are several 12.4.1 videos up on CZcams now. 12.4.1 is very similar to 12.3.6, and even has some *regressions* . A big disappointment, after all of Elmo's big (false) promises.
@@DerekDavis213stop baiting
Good video, though would have been good to cover the camera privacy options that are available.. you can choose if the data goes back to tesla or is just used locally for monitoring. This is in addition to the global setting of sending data back or not, there are specific controls for the internal camera footage privacy.
Thanks for taking the strikes for the team Chris ha ha ha. Thanks for clarifying.😊
Perspective: $50B is $1,000,000 per HOUR for 25-years. Not a bad payday.
Mind-boggling
The green dot system is genius. The driver gets to choose how the system works. The driver is completely in control. I do wish they would put back the single pull/double pull to choose between Autopilot or cruise control, and FSD. Maybe the green dot system will solve that problem.
I don't get why they think it's a good idea to remove the option to alternate between Cruise Control and Self Driving.
Yes, I want to be able to use either auto pilot or FSD depending on the circumstances
The green dot looks so tiny -- maybe it could be a bigger circle or other shape.
Make a new profile without FSD and use that profile every time you want to drive using cruise controI. know it's a heck but it's the best we can do.
If you have privacy concerns, don’t own any type of newer car (2020+,) don’t own a cellphone, don’t own a smart tv, smart watch, computer, newer washing machines, or basically any electronic device manufactured after about 2020. Have fun, might as well move to Alaska and become a bush person.
Either way this would be perfect for me most of my trips and driving are on very straight roads.
Nice! I have 2024.3.25 and it's pretty damn good! Far fewer interventions than ever before. I can hardly wait to get this upgrade. Among other things, I like the way they grouped the 3 speed details together again, I hated when they separated them. And the turn signals look easier to see. Can't wait!
I'm curious, did you try to drive without a cap, even if the view is ok? Is there a difference?
The camera is the primary tool to monitor the driver, however the wheel nag is not removed. It will monitor the driver when the internal camera is blocked, the driver is wearing sunglasses or a hat, the ambient lighting in the car is too low, or if an older vehicle does not have an internal camera. I find with 12.3.6 has minimal wheel nags during daylight driving and more during nighttime driving.
_It will monitor the driver when the internal camera is blocked_
As I pointed out in a different comment, if the internal camera is blocked, FSD won't engage at all.
I’m on FSD 12.3.6, but system updated to 2024.14.9 and was confused about the update. I got a strike yesterday. 😂. I thought I was on new FSD version 12.4.1.
The 2024.14.9 update did *not* update FSD to 12.4.1.
@@BigBen621 correct. I made the wrong assumption that it would.
"Is the benefit worth letting them see you"
Them? No human is actively watching you. The FSD computer is the "them".
You can opt out of data sharing if you don't want any video clips shared with Tesla (which they would use for training and improving the driver monitoring software). So no need for any privacy tradeoff to benefit.
I have a theory that if the roads are mostly clear of other cars and VRU's .. and lanes are well marked that it's more lenient on 'hands on' warnings... it'll request hands on again as it approaches something more risky.. (turns or traffic in my experience)
thanks again not only the video was good but they definitely give you a good laugh from time to time have a great personality and it shows in your work. Thank you.
I do have FSD 12.3.6 wonder when you would think I would get the next 12 . 4 update I know you don’t have the crystal ball but I’m wondering how soon they roll out the 12.4 to everybody else?
"I don't know where we're going […] I don't care, the car's going to figure it out"
Thanks!
Is it possible to eat while doing the attentive feature or does it freak out??
I wonder if you put sunglasses on and then googly eyes or stickers of eyeballs if that would fool the system 🤷🏼♂️
It would be an interesting test
Already filmed 😜
😂😂😂😂😂. Love it!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Do you guys actually apply pressure on the steering wheel or just change volume level (left side scroll ball) or adjust speed (right side scroll ball)?
That's what I always do! It feels so dangerous to actually apply force to the wheel.
I keep one hand on the wheel. With 12.4, I’ll do the same.
I typically drive with my hand on the lower left quarter of the wheel and grip the upper right part without turning the wheel. The wheel notices more pressure on the top than the lower part of the wheel.
I’m looking forward to getting this version !
How about night driving?
Thanks for the video, very informative! I have one weird suggestion if I may - please try not recording immediately after eating, those of us with various degrees of misophonia find it quite distrubing.
I can't wait to try 12.4 but from what I'm seeing here it doesn't really seem like much of an improvement minus the auto park being a little quicker. I wear my sunglasses 99% of the time when I'm driving so a little bit disappointing.
A quicker autopark would be a blessing. Frankly, I don’t use it if there’s too much traffic around. People glare at me like I’m an idiot. They are probably right, but for the wrong reason. 😜
Ashok pronounces his own name as "uh-shoke" (rhymes with choke)
Thanks, Chris. Perhaps the hands-free function of the system is more sensitive when you're making a video is not because of your talking, but maybe because you talk a lot using your hands? Not sure if hand placement has to do with anything; like if I am staring at the road, can I have my hands behind my head or in any other place away from the wheel and it not nag me?
The problem is these instant strikes where you get very little warning. The old version would give you much more warning before a strike. You might say you get five strikes, no big deal. If you have Tesla insurance, each one of those strikes significantly raises your insurance premium.
Does the change also apply to standard autopilot?
I don't have that so I'm not sure, but I'd assume no
With this version and with the camera active, If you keep your hands on the wheel, does it still allow you to spend time looking at and using the display. Without a warning.
Does this apply to auto pilot ?
@DirtyTesla would love to see an FSD video at night. Harder to film, I get that. But would be interesting to see if the internal camera can actually see you. I had a lot of trouble with that during my free month.
AI Driver did a night drive with FSD 14. Here’s his video with day and night: czcams.com/video/ZyOV_ECO-QE/video.htmlsi=ru4O-wlTTbP163Ic
Unless I missed it, you never mentioned if this new feature can be selected off or on in the Settings. I like the "old" way and don't necessarily want to wear a hat or sunglasses to disable the "new" way.
_you never mentioned if this new feature can be selected off or on in the Settings._ Doesn't look like it. I guess you're going to have to get used to wearing a long-brimmed ball cap if you want to revert to steering wheel nags only.
@@BigBen621 I think I may wait to install that version until they come out with the "minor fix" version. Maybe they'll make it selectable in the settings by then. Yeah, I know,,,,,,, wishful thinking.
If it yells at you, you can just adjust the scroll wheel and it will be quiet. You don’t have to touch the wheel.
That's only for the steering wheel nag. It doesn't affect the "pay attention to the road" nags.
With a legacy model X with no cabin camera, I won't have a choice. Between the looking away nags and no sunglasses, I don't think I will miss much.
I think you're not supposed to wear hats. I heard on another channel that hats and sunglasses mess with eye detection.
Famous last words.
AI Drver is very critical of the repeated lane changing problem. Did you see his tube and did you experience same behaviours?
I did watch his video, I saw it on one drive the other day (video eventually) but not as extreme as him.
@@DirtyTesla That's the one thing I was worried about, glad it's not as extreme for you. Hands free sounds cool but the amount of lane changes that AI experienced would make my experience nearly unusable. I'm still on 12.3 so I guess we'll see!
We just watched this video. We are on 12.3.6 with our model X and we are seeing that we have strikes that built up we’ve gotten four strikes and two of them have been because we have sped up through cruise control, but we are finding that they are not going away after seven days, so we currently have we’re currently sitting at four and we’re constantly getting beeped at for stuff that we’re not doing like last night I was driving had my hand on the yoke was watching the steering and it kept beeping at me…. Is this something you are seeing different where the strikes go away after seven days? With 12.4.1?
How the hell are you getting 242Wh/mi?! I always get just over 300 and I did go 66 in a 60 for miles and miles.
I get under 200 Watts per hour a lot in spring and fall and even in winter if it's sunny or summer if it's cloudy. My average after the first 35,000 miles a 226/mile. That was from July 23-Nov 23 in West Michigan. Model 3 rwd
Tires? Temperature? Traffic conditions?
If tesla doesnt hire you I will lol. love the videos man. I know you have 3 teslas, let me borrow one
lol I have 2
@@DirtyTesla wouldn't hurt you to gift a marine corps vet his dream car right?
I think if i sees construction zones, it doubles the warnings to pay attention
Ill never use this unless they change something. The blue flash stays on way too long even after you've looked ahead. There is zero difference in warning sounds. There's actually two types of nags, I'm sure you know this. The basic nag you get every 1-2 minutes, but the other nag is when its in a situations its not comfortable (traffic cones arounds you), it throws up red hands and you HAVE to torque the wheel, you cannot flick the scroll wheels for this type of nag. The problem is, you're getting the red hands nag and it still says pay attention to the road. That's wrong, it should say there touch the wheel, and you're getting strikes because of it.
_it throws up red hands_
The red hands is not a nag, it's a requirement to take back control immediately, which is consistent with SAE Level 2 requirements.
@@BigBen621 No, not the giant red steering wheel that takes up the entire screen.. Thats the take over immediately. Theres a nag with small red hands. In normal FSD, thats what beeps at you. Regular nags dont beep. The problem is, with eye tracking, BOTH nags now beep. Impossible to tell if it wants eye contact on road, or hands on wheel.
@@Buggabones OK, thanks. I guess I haven't watched the details closely enough to make the distinction. I'm certainly familiar with the giant red hands and steering wheel; but I probably don't look closely at the different icons that go with nags, and just take the action required by the text of the nag.
I understand the privacy concerns, but everyone has a phone with a camera pointed at them all the time anyway. You can cover the cam if you don’t want to be seen, like many people do with webcams.
I agree
_You can cover the cam if you don’t want to be seen_
But that will disable FSD completely.
@@BigBen621 If the camera is obstructed, FSD reverts back to steering wheel nags.
@@williamrogers1219 Actually, if it can't see your eyes, it reverts back to steering wheel nags. But if the camera itself is obstructed, FSD won't engage at all. Ask me how I know...
Any word on when 4.2/3 is coming out ...for us common folk?
The not being able to wear sunglasses is the thing that makes it pretty useless to me. It's often the case that wearing sunglasses is more safe because you can see with less glare. It makes it harder to be attentive if you cant see
I'm on 4 strikes on 12.3.6.
Strikes don't go away after 7 days, I got the first one many weeks ago and I've never had them go away. I'm wondering if they get reset with 12.4 whenever I get it here in BC Canada
Actually, I think the new policy of removing one strike every 7 days gets implemented with software 2024.14.9 and 2024.20.1, the Spring Update, which are in very wide rollout as we speak. Something like 80% of Teslas already have it, including my son and me; so if you don't have it, you should be getting it soon.
Can you stick transparent eye stickers on the sunglasses to trick it?
how do you record the screen on the tesla?
Like this czcams.com/video/x7UyT6KCYCo/video.html
So far I haven't been a fan of supervised FSD (too many lane changes if I forget to flip the switch) I also have BETA is that better use? I had BETA on my last tesla but haven't used on the new car.
Beta doesn't exist anymore. So any car that has an updated version of the software it will say FSD (Supervised). If it says beta it doesn't have all the latest improvements so it's not better in any way.
Help me…flip the switch? I get far too many willy-nilly, unnecessary lane changes.
@@joefalkner2368 right scroll wheel to the left or right (which changes how FSD behaves) and then click on Minimal Lane Change on the screen where the information card is (radio, tire pressure, trip counter). You'll have to activate it each drive though since they don't allow it to be set by default.
I’ve only seen one CZcamsr mention it ever, and every time I mention it I get ridiculed “it might work differently cause your in dif area” but I live like 20 min away from you in Westland so it can’t be night and day difference. How have never in years of recording it never experience the blinking light issue ?
Never been this early 🙂
My eyes are way too sensitive to light 😭 not wearing sunglasses is ridiculous 😞 how long is this going to be a thing?
Does that work on autopilot or just FSD?
Wow
very cool videos really enjoy them but... wondering for those who use Tesla insurance if those FSD strikes will affect your insurance premiums???
Thanks! I'm not sure, we don't have Tesla insurance in Michigan.
I believe the Insurance Commissioner does not allow it in California.
Just call it "vision-based monitoring" 🙂
I just got the Spring Update with the older FSD and it seems the nag is gone. I also never got the pay attention warning. Maybe a glitch in this build.
Nice
Was that somebody driving on the left shoulder?
Do you think this will come to AP?
Do you think because you talk with your hands so much it is making harder on you? Or is it 100% just the direction you are looking?
Could be
Does the hands free work at night?
Seatbelt nag was a bad idea. Steering wheel nag was a bad idea. Camera nag is a bad idea. Neuralink nag will be a bad idea.
😂 could you imagine
What would hands free system do if you have prescription glasses
Works fine, as long as they're not prescription sunglasses.
“No hands” is what I always tell her
What if you had glasses that had fake eye balls on them. would it think you had your eyes open?
Coming soon 👀
I drive with sunglasses just about year around. I guess I will never get handsfree...
At night?
You never stop talking! Do you ever have a conversation? 😂😂
Would you like to just watch me stare at the road driving in a straight line? :)
DUH!
If elin post's about the bug in X.........😂
How many cars away did you set for cruise control?
That's not an option anymore
@@DirtyTesla While that may not be an option anymore, it is my understanding the following distance depends on the driver profile (Chill, Average, Assertive), with Chill having the greater following distance.
So if you wear transition prescription glasses that darken under sunlight you won't be able to use it because the lens darkening will void the system. Great 😏
😎🤙
You were looking at the road when it gave you your second strike. That is not fair, and not encouraging. You should be able to talk while looking at the road.
I was looking at my watch lol
@@DirtyTesla Well, at least they now have a more reasonable protocol for rehabilitation from FSD jail. ;-D
FEEDBACK (volume is a bit low. lower than regular and other youtubers)
How does attentive monitoring work at night?
Most cars have ir lights next to the camera... Older cars probably won't work
I find more wheel nags at night and few during the day even when holding on to the wheel with 12.3.6.
Dude, I've been watching your videos, how have you not picked up on the fact that when you get the RED symbols on the steering wheel prompt, you MUST then apply pressure to the wheel. That's why you keep getting strikes. Elon said this, it was on twitter by some other people, and it's easy to see in your videos. Just trying to help out.
No, not 2 strikes for us buddy.
_when you get the RED symbols on the steering wheel prompt, you MUST then apply pressure to the wheel._
No, you're mistaken; it's the text of the nag that determines what action must be taken. For example, at 8:26 he gets the nag "Apply slight turning force to steering wheel", so that's what he must do. Similarly, at 3:57, he gets the nag "Please Pay Attention to the Road", so he must return his gaze to the road ahead.
But your comment did bring up an interesting issue I haven't been aware of, and haven't seen a comment on. For both of these nags, the hands were gray, or as close to that as my deficient color vision can detect. But at 4:35, he gets the "Please Pay Attention to the Road" nag, but the hands are red; and shortly thereafter, he gets a strike.
This suggests to me that you at first you get gray (?) hands with either the attention or the steering wheel nag. But after you get repeated nags, you get red hands; and very shortly thereafter you'll get a strike if you haven't cleared the nag. So apparently getting either nag with red hands is in effect a final warning; keep it up, and you're getting a strike.
Well, I don't dislike FSD and I did try the free 30 day trial 12.3.6, I just don't need it for my only doing short daily trips, I can't justify spending 99 dollars a month just to say I have a car drive that drives itself. If I have to be alert all the time, might as well drive the vehicle myself,
End of story. Take care.
_If I have to be alert all the time, might as well drive the vehicle myself_
There's also the fact of Teslas with FSD (Supervised) engaged having orders of magnitude fewer accidents, injuries and deaths that cars driven by human drivers. I urge you to take this into account, especially if you drive family around in your Tesla.
@@BigBen621source?
@@mlsasd6494 According to NHTSA "Additional Information Regarding EA22002", Teslas with FSD engaged have been involved in *75* crashes, *2* injuries and *1* fatality over the 1.3 billion miles they've driven so far. Meanwhile, expected figures for average drivers driving the same distance would be *2,412* crashes, *975* injuries, and *17.3* fatalities (NHTSA "Overview of Motor Vehicle Traffic Crashes in 2022").
While the data need to be adjusted for driver demographics, age and condition of vehicles, mix of road types, etc., it's still clear that Teslas with FSD engaged (and supervised) are orders of magnitude safer than cars driven by average drivers.
@@BigBen621 I have taken it all into account. I am not worried about the Tesla, it is the hundreds of other very impatient human drivers around me.
I am single, retired, and I need that 99 dollars a month for more important things than saying to people my car can drive itself. I do just fine without FSD. FSD has its problems and is definitely not perfect.
Summary, I do not need FSD for my driving. To me it is just an waste of money luxury play toy. So give me a GOOD reason why you really really need this feature? Auto Pilot and cruise control are adequate for me when needed - and they are FREE.
Take care.
My 2017 S has no cabin camera and I refuse to have a vehicle that does .
Good for you.
will it let you roll a fat one while its driving?
Tesla moved the "nag" from the steering wheel to the eyes! Elon said it was going away.
_Elon said it was going away._
No, he explicitly said the steering wheel nag was going away.
Wear sunglasses… always. 😁
I have 12.3.6 and I wear my polaroid clip on sunglasses all the daytime and the system has no problem. It acts normally. Are you saying it will have a problem on the next rev? .😢 Thanks.😮
_Are you saying it will have a problem on the next rev?_
In a word, yes.