EUC ride modes explained
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2022
- In this video I explain and demonstrate what the ride mode / pedal sensitivity / hardness settings do on an EUC. Since Inmotion has way more advanced settings in this regard, I mainly focus on them.
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Finally someone explains this in a way I can understand. Thank you! 🙏🏼
Glad it helped! 😊
Very helpful and clearly explained, thanks!
I loved this video. Such a uniqe style and presentation! Thanks! It was fun.
Thank you so much David! Glad to hear you liked it. I do what I can… 😉
I really like your channel and your presentation. Clear, concise and intelligently explained. Many thanks..I hope you continue with your EUC videos and grow your channel.. one of my major criticisms of INMOTION is their totally rubbish operators manuals.. The newer wheels have market leading, and amazing levels of adjustability…and selectable options….But, INMOTION give no clear explanation on how they work, what they exactly do or how they inter react together. For example.Until you explained it, I had not realised that the Master pedal softness slider..also inter reacts with the split ride sliders! I can now easily see how the V12 has its …’interesting’..reputation….For a new or inexperienced rider who buys a V12, and has little idea of how they work, could quire easily enter a lot of settings and modes, not knowing what they are, and set up his wheel to be horrible to ride! They should have released some instructional videos to download.. However, I don’t think they would do a better job than you have done..So, once again…Very many thanks
Thank you so much Martin! I think you are right, despite being the best manuals in the EUC business, there are a lot of details that the manual should cover better.
Thank you so much. Very nice video!
Thank you for explain this
First! That was helpful, thanks.
Thanks good info !!
I've been riding softer settings and I prefer it. Helps with braking as well. Makes my Z10 a different machine. Seems to me that so many riders don't really experiment enough with these settings. The trick is to ride for 100 miles or so with the different settings to really adjust to and feel the results. I hated softer setting at first but after many miles I changed my mind.
Yes, I fully agree!
Depends a lot on your pads setup
So far I always ride in hard mode standing, so my muscle memory knows nothing else.. as a result I feel highly in-tune with the wheel for quick precise action.
It’s nice if it works great for you!
I notice my legs and foot cramp more often on hard mode
since it requires more pressure to accelerate the wheel faster.
Yes, that is what more and more riders are starting to notice as well.
you sound like a very mysterious vampire
I am!
I see you are a very knowledgeable about EUCs. I am buying my first EUC and can't decide between V11 and V12HT. Which one would you recommend? Your opinion is much appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Thanks! Well, the main differences are top speed and suspension. To me personally 55km/h is more than enough, and I would never buy a wheel without suspension. Therefore I never even considered the V12. All new wheels from now on will have suspension, it really is that groundbreaking.
I have a V8F, and I weigh about 85 kg (187 lbs) so I don't push it. I've had pedal sensitivity at 100% since that was recommended for beginners, but yesterday, I did a sequence of cycles of lowering sensitivity, riding for about 5 minutes, lowering again, riding another 5 minutes, repeating this until I reached the minimum of 10%. It didn't feel that much different, but due to the limits of the V8F, I don't lean much to avoid over-leaning it. I did some cycling of leaning forwards and backwards at around 10 mph, noting that acceleration | braking response was unaffected by pedal setting, which makes sense, since the wheel has to accelerate | brake the same in order to "balance" a rider based on how much the rider is leaned forwards | backwards. The tilt response on my V8F is gradual and lags behind actual acceleration or braking, and due to my limited lean angles, not much difference in feel, not like when I tested tilt back at 8, 12, and 15 mph to see what that would feel like. The softer settings should reduce ankle bend, which may help with calf pain I get after riding for 15 to 20 minutes. (Switching to hiking type low tops with stiff soles but cushioned interior helped).
What the pedal sensitivity (or ride modes) change though is how much effort it requires for you to achieve the desired lean angle. A fast response / hard mode will try to cancel out your lean before you even get to the desired lean angle, meaning that you'll have to constantly fight the wheel to accelerate or brake. A slow response / soft mode will let you fall down to the lean angle before it even tries to accelerate to balance out the lean.
Unless the V8F is very different from V10, V11 and V12, the difference between 0 and 100 is very extreme. If you don't feel much of a difference, it is possible that you are indeed accelerating and braking only extremely slowly. Beware though, if you adjust the setting very low for very slow accelerations and brakings, a sudden emergency braking will probably result in an unpredictable behaviour. On the V11 I feel like a safe range is between 30 and 80.
@@mrelwood_EUC - the impression I get from your video and my V8F is that lower pedal sensitivity is supposed to allow the EUC to tilt more, but at least in the case of my V8F, it's not affecting the effort to lean (probably because it only weighs 35 lbs), or the associated response to lean. V8F has a reputation for being very responsive, with riders mentioning by comparison, a V10F feels sluggish, due to the increased effort required to lean. My V8F has an auto-tilt for hills, tilt forward for incline, tilt backward for decline, but it's a slow transition, about 1 second, and my guess is that its' a similar delay for low pedal sensitivity setting, or maybe the pedals sensitivity setting isn't working on my V8F. I also tried setting tilt forwards 2 degrees, which reduced ankle bend when leaning forwards, and since I use ankle bend for feedback on lean angle, I ended up going a bit faster than expected (like 14 mph instead of 12 mph. I use EUC World to call out speed and other stuff every 15 seconds, like an audio speedometer). If the low pedal sensitivity resulted in a faster tilt response, it would probably have a similar effect. I ended up setting the pedals back to level, and sensitivity back to 100%. After reading your comment, I did a few sit back style brake tests, getting braking peaks of -12.2 amps and -1000 watts, which is decent for a V8F. Most of my riding is around 10 to 15 mph, and even at 15 mph, braking distance is reasonably small (less than 20 feet at about 1/3 g). Switching to the low top hiking shoes eliminated most of the calf pain I was getting before. In Monokat's review of the V12, she ended up setting all the sensitivity values to 100%.
Great video. You have to edit the title so more people can find it. :)
😄 Which title would you suggest?
@@mrelwood_EUC I was struggling to find any videos for Inmotion modes. As I was not able to find such (or good ones) I started searching for EUC vids. And your video is mainly about them products thus I would suggest putting iNmotion in the title plus the models. And tags of inmotion and all the v5 v5f v8 v8f v10 v10f.... etc. in the tags section.
If those apply to other manufacturers (I have no idea with other products) do the same for them.
Your video is really better than everything out there (you can see it by the other comments) so it deserves to reach out more people :)
And would you please tell us what mode is your voice in? lol cool voice you need to work in radio or do voice overs
Haha! For some reason I’ve heard that one before… 😄. I’ve actually made a few low key radio commercials back in the day. I guess I could do more!
@@mrelwood_EUC yea man, it’s money in that voice of yours! 👍🏽
What mode should I choose as a beginner?
In my opinion a medium mode makes the most sense. Soft on some wheels is absolutely ridiculous or at least something that I don't think one should get accustomed to at first. And hard is besides being more harsh for your legs and feet, usually unnecessarily sensitive for when a beginner tries to learn the interaction between their actions and how the wheel reacts.
But I do recommend visiting the settings every 500km or so, and trying different modes for at least 10km each. After all, our riding technique keeps changing forever, and sometimes a different mode could fit and support your technique better.
@@mrelwood_EUC I changed to hard on my KS16X, as I'm still very much a noob trying to learn, but my biggest frustration was leaning forward and nothing happening until I already felt like I was falling. I want it to be super sensitive and respond instantly, so that I can develop a feel and muscle memory. I also discovered the previous owner has set the pedal tilt to 2 degrees leaning forward, which made things worse too.
@@bigglyguy8429 Did you have it on soft or medium before?
@@mrelwood_EUC It was on medium, I changed to hard. I'm still at the "can barely go anywhere without holding on to something or someone" stage, but already feel confident for my next session, as my 16X was more responsive. I didn't realize the adjustment actually effects the tilt of the pedals, just felt it was responding better to my inputs, so thanks for the vid! I can only practice for a short while at weekends but I'm 100% sure I'll flying entirely free next week :) My very 1st ever attempt was terrible, as the tire too soft, the pedals tilted forward and down, so just standing straight made it go backwards...
@@bigglyguy8429 If standing straight makes it go backwards, you are standing far to back! I hope you have checked a few good YT lessons? So you wouldn’t have to reinvent the wheel…
If hard mode feels more stable right now, then that’s what you should use. Try the medium again after 100-500km as your needs will be quite different by then already.
Oispa jo kevät.
Thanks for the explanation, but please speak faster. I had to play this at 1.5x speed for it to sound normal.
There’s no need for me to talk faster when you can watch it at 1.5x! 😛