How to Beat Bangers | Defending against hard hitters in pickleball
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In today’s video we’re going to cover the #1 Skill you need to Beat Bangers.
That skill is Soft hands and the ability to slow the game down by taking pace off the ball.
You need to develop the ability to drop the ball in the kitchen when receiving a hard drive.
This is easier said than done which is why it’s something you need to drill over time to master.
Here’s Jordan to show us a great drill to develop your soft hands and beat bangers…
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Excellent, Jordan! Thanks so much for your commitment to helping the growing world of pickleballers! Keep 'em coming! :)
Thanks Leslie!
As always another good drill - I enjoy all the stuff you do thx - great drills for becoming better players
Awesome, thanks for the comment!
Not sure where the banging occurred in this video… the “bangers” that I play with (two in particular that play often) are slamming over hand at about twice the hugest velocity in this video.
When they’re on defense, the immediately rush the net to prepare to bang the the third shot. What’s the best way to approach that?
We've made an updated video since this one. Do this.... czcams.com/video/HmA6bTBJgHc/video.html
Nice info but looking for how to beat the baseline bangers who are very good at tennis!
Get up to the net and keep volleying/blocking the ball deep, if they’re at the baseline, and at their feet if they’re at all in the court.
This is what I need to work on! Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
What brand of paddle do you use? Nice drill. I Watch all your videos.
Engage maverick!
Having soft hands is such a difficult thing to master. It is absolutely necessary to have at the higher levels of play.
Yes!
Banger nation 🔥 we can’t be beat
Lol
Dev Patel , don’t bangers hit a lot harder than this video?
thx using this for my pe tourney
Cool!
Yes but what about a hard low drive from the banger, when you are at the baseline?
Then hit it back as a groundstroke. At this point, you are banging with them and it comes down to who does it best. To beat them, you should move up and volley down at their feet or move them or drop it short in the kitchen.
I have people (usually racket ball players) who slam the ball with force and speed. I didn’t see any shots like that in this video so I’m still not sure how to slow the pace with these type of shots. Not criticizing, just unclear to me.
In this video, we show the fundamentals of how to take pace off of the ball. When encountering players like you mentioned above, the goal is to volley the ball short and low, forcing them to hit up. This way, they cannot just keep speeding up the ball over and over.
I get the basics, it’s the execution I struggle with. In the video the returns looked easy to deflect with proper execution, I’m having a hard time picturing it working against some extreme bangers. I guess like all things, practice, practice, practice.
TJ Wash completely agree!
So cool to see Facebook's Mark Zuckerburg playing pickleball.
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Let’s see a demo when the ball is hit really fast
This video show super hard hit shots and has some more tips on blocking well: czcams.com/video/CGWniSfqSeY/video.html&lc=
I may be wrong with this but it's my opinion if the opponent is attacking balls by lifting them up at you or on a level plane, you should hit offensively to punish them for poor shot selection if possible. The reset can be a good play but often does not change the shot selection of the opponent. This is one of the hardest concepts I think - when/how to punish (punishing it doesn't mean hitting it hard always) vs when to reset. I liken it to full court press in basketball. I will press you by hitting hard until you punish me for it. Until speed is punished, the opponent is likely to continue to drive the ball. It's your job as the opponent to make them change. In the end, the team who controls the pace of the ball will have a huge advantage. Bangers are successful at lower levels because they often control pace as they can hit any ball hard at any time realistically. At higher levels, better players feed off of pace and punish it if used for the wrong shot. The best players can add and subtract pace when the matchup is in their favor. Want to pick a winner of a match, pick the team who controls the pace of the ball - both fast and slow.
This is true, there are two ways to beat bangers, bring them to the net to play the soft game, or make them pay with power. Resetting is a good skill to have and is one way to beat them. We will do a video on the latter another time. If someone is hitting a drive shot from the baseline and I hit a block (volley) that drops and lands in the kitchen, there's no way they're going to run that down and drive another ball from that low. Both skills are needed to defeat bangers.
I guess what I see happening a lot in rec play is a banger will drive a shot and the opponent will try to reset the point. They do so with an average reset shot and then get fired on again. The game ends and someone bemoans the hard hitting opponent for "not playing the right way". Too often it's considered the banger's fault when in fact, the opponent never forced the banger to change. If bangers give you trouble, play with them more, you will get used to the speed. Avoiding them passes over a chance to round out your game and improve. They aren't playing wrong, they are just playing differently. And differently should be applauded as variety is necessary in evolving everyone's game!
Yes! Volley soft and short, or hard and deep. Nothing in between. Or you will get eaten up by their pace.
What is the kitchen?
It’s also known as the “non volley zone”.
at what point was the ball hit with pace?
Every ball is hit with pace.
Brian Johnson I agree
A banger is someone who hits hard 3rd shot drives and makes no attempt to work their way to the line. These people are usually low intermediates who haven’t yet learned how to construct points. You beat these guys with good volleys.
Yes, there are two ways to beat them: draw them in to play the soft game, or volley the ball deep and hard. This drill will help to draw them in.
@@primetimepickleball I love playing against bangers, use their power against them, redirect it at their feet : czcams.com/video/0qlHT_snGUs/video.html
There is an old adage in boxing, don't hook with a hooker. That means don't fight using the same game your opponent, because he is really good at that game. Same in pickleball. Don't bang with a banger. Because that is the game they are good at.
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Sorry but I am playing against REAL bangers and if they're at the NVZ, they are smashing it at my feet or knees. Your example might work if someone is driving from the base line where you have enough time to drop it back.
"Real" bangers are typically banging (and the point ends) long before they ever make it to the NVZ line.
I once got into an argument with a guy who thought that the ball does not have to touch the line to be "in." Like you can see the ball was in the outside green area (in your case) by a few millimeters. But he thought the circumference is all that needs to be in to be "in" (he thinks the ball doesn't have to touch the line). I tried to explain that the actual ball has to touch the actual line. This, is obviously fact. That's not the question. On a tangent, please let me know if their's anyone else that believes that merely the circumference/overhang/shadow of the ball makes it "in" so I can laugh at you as well. Although, back onto subject, in tennis there is a squash down factor with the ball. You can see it in all the different types of marks displayed on a clay court. But I would suspect that there would be less of a squish down with a pickleball obviously (being that it's a stiffer, slower-moving ball). Maybe just a little bit of an expanded mark off of a faster slam. Basically, my question is how much of a circumference is there when judging whether the ball hit the line or not (aka how big is the mark)? Like if you rubbed the ball with a chalk or powder, I think the mark of pickleball would leave a mark that varies from about the size of a dime to a quarter. This is pretty important information for people that are calling lines, by the way. And I don't think anyone has taken on the challenge to do this research. It's pretty easy to do. Since you make videos about pickleball, you should do one.
Btw, I, like most people, still generously give opponents the "full circumference (plus) of the doubt." I'm just interested for scientific purposes mainly. So if you just take a few balls, completely saturate them with a heavy chalk, play pickleball, then show us the marks, that would be a fantastic scientific discovery that you made all by yourself. Very much appreciated.
Great Idea. But I think we’ll leave the scientific tests to the scientists. I only call the ball out when I actually see a gap between the line and the ball because I rather play it than be wrong about it. Call the ball as you would want your opponent to!
Calling balls on the line is the most common, argument call I see on the courts in the three group three groups of Pickle Ballers I play with in different towns - especially in non-tournament games. Most time it's because the players across from the net (opponent) feels the need to make the call. Personally, I think just as an obvious out is called on a ball - a ball called on the line should also be obvious. It should leave no doubt for an on the line call. Everyone, even partners see the ball on the line from his/her angle. So those type of calls, in my opinion, should be "obvious, on line calls! Just saying🤔
Good information and demo, however, too much preamble before getting started. Just get right to it.
It is better when the music is lower and we can hear the drill. Possibly pointing out things while the drill is happening instead of stopping.
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Perhaps you should do your own tutorial.
Jordon. I thought I told you to stop saying ok all the time..lol And don't respond with another ok... :)
You spelled my name wrong. It's Jordan, OK?
:o
Why don't you just say thanks for the video?
You call that banging?
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The fact that there is a need for a video on how to play against bangers is testament to the fact the game is not what is was meant to be. I’m going to pick on men in my statement. There is absolutely no need for anyone to be at the NVZ and whack it is as hard as you can AT the opponent. If you read the ladder levels of pickleball you must be able to dink. Whackers, bangers what ever you call them, are not dinking and if no one tried to return their shots they would be out of bounds. Perhaps the rules should be adjusted to include a minimum of dink hits/ shots. The essence of the game is gone and the skill of dinking is gone. IMO
I see your point but respectfully, speed is here and it's here to stay. All sports evolve in this way. There's nothing wrong with it. Please see the latest video for more depth on this: czcams.com/video/poOr8YK5ZUw/video.html
Practice practice !!! Matters a lot.