How to Beat BANGERS in Pickleball (Hard-Hitting Players)
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- Are you struggling with hard-hitting 'bangers' in pickleball? Learn how to turn the tables and dominate them with this comprehensive guide. In this video, we break down proven pickleball strategies and techniques that help you stay in control when facing aggressive players.
Discover:
👉 Key pickleball strategies to neutralize bangers, forcing them to play your game
👉 Essential pickleball techniques for deep volleys, countering attacks, and maintaining strong positioning
👉 High IQ pickleball tips for handling hard shots effectively, judging ball trajectory, and keeping your cool under pressure
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0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Basic Strategies
0:56 - Keep Them Back
1:41 - Where To Aim
2:45 - How To Counter-Attack
4:23 - Technique To Use
4:40 - Ready position
6:18 - Your Paddle Grip
7:45 - Technique Recap & Examples
8:44 - Advanced Strategies
9:01 - Play The Odds
9:19 - If it's High, Let it Fly
10:16 - Target Their Partner
10:34 - Don't Play Their Strategy
10:54 - Your Return
11:24 - Examples & Analysis
13:21 - IMPORTANT! - Sport
make 'em blunder
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Easier said than done when they're great at driving the ball low over the net.
The crossover I didn’t know I needed
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holy hell
Watching this as a banger hoping to learn how to beat people trying to beat bangers
Silly banger!
Preach!
Don’t be a banger, that’s not how you move up levels-I used to be you also lol
Same
Let me help. Hit the ball back over the net
Credit where credit is due: this video massively changed my game for the better. The main reason for that is that it convinced me to stop trying to be a banger myself. I took all of the "bang" out of my game with incredible results. My unforced error rate went way down which gives my opponents much more opportunity to make unforced errors themselves. The techniques for keeping your opponents in the back court have also paid immediate dividends. Much appreciated.
As a new player I am noticing that, just take the errors and pop ups out. consistency is key
Great Video... seems that when you play with bangers you pick up their bad banger habits. Mixing it up and dropping a shot in the kitchen slows the game down to where patience is the winner. I'm a 3.5 player but also found that playing with 4.0 and up players helps me so much more in learning how to play those in that area. The sad part is PB gets Klicky and the upper players don't want to play with those that want to play up. It kind of PO's them when this 70-year-old guy actually plays as hard as them. Once you establish your skill then the 4.0's and up will invite you to play in their group. I actually enjoy helping beginners and those who are not up to my level so they can get better. Remember people.. we all started out bad, so give people a break and stop segrating all the time. Invite and teach. Dylan Fraizer from Missouri is ranked 6th in the world pro tour. I am a member of the Show Me Pickle Ball Club in Columbia MO, where Dylan is also a member. When he is in town it's not uncommon to see Dylan at our public courts either giving a lesson or just playing with anyone. Now THAT is CLASS. thanks again for your video....
Excellent instructional video discussing issues that I've had with bangers. Thank you!
Straight forward, easy to understand coaching!
Thanks for the coaching. Appreciate it! 🙏👍
Honestly, one of the best videos I’ve seen tocounter bangers
Thank you. you covered everything i needed to work on.gratitude.
Excellent video, great material well explained. As a 4.0, trying to move up I am running into more and more players who are not only bangers, but much better at it than the bangers I was playing at the 3.5 and lower 4.0 levels, and, frankly, I've been struggling a bit against them. With some practice, this should help. Thank you for posting this.
Glad to help & good luck! Thanks for watching.
By far the very best video on how to play and beat bangers. Well done. Thanks!
Thank you for this, I play someone regularly like this and it’s so frustrating! Hopefully I can master your technique.
I watch a lot of pickleball videos. This one is very high on the list of time well-spent. Thanks!!
great summary video. This strategy is becoming more popular as the game gain popularity, so the counter offensive is useful
Indeed it is!
Thanks for the great pointers! I encounter quite a few bangers, mainly being new at PB. Some hit hard almost every contact with the ball. At a glance, it looks like they are great players, but a lot of the times they hit the net too and rarely dink. One thing that is good for me, being a beginner advanced, is that I am getting better at intercepting and/or actually returning those balls... whether into the court or not! LOL - Sometimes, I am glad I hit the ball somewhere, while I am learning how to control and aim better. So, yeah, your videos are awesome! ♥
Thanks for all your great advice and info Connor! We apprecite you!
Always!
Great video and I'll keep these strategies more focusing in my mind! I have a suggestion too. If the Bangers reach the front court, try to throw in some dinks. It prevents Bangers from being able to hit them with power to land on the court, especially at that ~3.0 level.
Nice video! sound advice! I was limp wristing the other day and playing horrible. will firm it up!
New to the game as of last night . It's my kind of game. My three sons loved it as well .
Fantastic video! Thank you
I love your videos they are very helpful and I wanted to ask what is the best way to clean a project 003 paddle ? And is the face carbon fiber or a hybrid ? Thank you for all the tips and tricks man you the best
Good stuff. Wish my backhand looked like that
Great video! I hope my opponents don't watch this video as I love hitting it hard. I lose a few points to unforced errors. But I figure that hard shots give them less time to react and it has a bit of an intimidation factor. So it is usually worth it.
Great video! Thanks!
Excellent examples at the end to cap it off.
Great strategies and instructions. Playing later today. Will try it out. Thanks!
Good luck!
Thank you for this info🙏🏽
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This happens to me all the time, great video!
Great video! It's neat wearing small circle size pink on top and bottom of shirt, shorts and back of shoes
Incredibly helpful video!!!!
Glad you think so!
I liked watching the different stances to improve my game. I do tend to bang but not all the time.
Works at pro level!😊
Nice summary, I am trying my best to play less of a banger type game, as I get smoked against higher level competition. BTW, how much weight is on your paddle???
I also feel like a deep return on the serve massively effects what happens with the remainder of the point. A short return makes it hard to get to the net and gives the banger that forward leaning mid court shot that they want.
Your Videos are the best
Great video
Great video! What sunglasses are you sporting?!
Thank you for this video. Will work on beating the bangers!
You bet!
i don't know anything about this sport so i didn't know i was a "banger" lol. i still like the play style but ill keep these strategies in mind so that i know what mistakes not to make playing AS a banger. good video
Thank you
Great info! Do you have a video on how to address bangers specifically when you're serving? I'm guessing a really good 3rd shot drop would help (if you have one). Other ideas? Anyway. thanks, Awesome info!!
To me also a banger, be patient to reset the ball. If a banger returns your serve and it’s tough to do the 3rd shot drop, you can counter banger and see how his 4th shot is. Maybe do the 5th shot drop or 7th shot drop.
Great video! Can you do a forehand drive video in the future? Feel with your tennis background, you could really highlight how to do a good forehand drive groundstroke.
Absolutely, will get to work on that. Thanks for watching
Good video. The banger takes a big swing so you need to take time away from them.
Thanks
Interested in hearing your reason for not hitting directly at the feet.
That's exactly where I target, and often hit their feet or get the 5 hole goal.
My reasoning; if you hit to either side they can set up and hit either forehand or backhand with no lateral movement, if you hit at their feet they have to pick a side so a very slight delay, and then move, a longer delay. They have less time to set up, requiring a shorter backswing or they still try to make the big back swing and hammer it, but their error rate goes way up.
Or, they don't move and hit a half-volley off their toes, which has very poor mechanics and does not allow them to speed it up much.
Do you change grip for the backhand block to continental from eastern forehand ?
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Please summary video everytime....so help full Thank you.
Noted. Thanks for watching!
Nice one! I also like to volley deep against these peeps but it'd be cool to absorb the power and hit a short drop volley too, taking advantage of them being near the baseline. Is that possible? Maybe I need a less 'poppy' paddle...
It is absolutely possible but I think it's a much more difficult shot.
You need to spend some time coaching the couple in the background at the 6:19 mark. Interesting that your two short shots in your game produced a winner and a pop up that you turned into a winner. Former tennis players tend to be good at just deadening the drive into the kitchen forcing the bangers to sprint up to the kitchen and either pop one up kind of like 13:15 mark or force them into a dinking game which is where I like volleys against bangers to end up. Dropping my opponents baseline drive softly into the kitchen is a skill I would like to have especially against older bigger, less mobile bangers. Any instructions on how to master that?
What are your thoughts on a drop-volley, or a sharply-angled shorter volley, like you did "accidentally" at 11:35? p.s., the added graphics are great !
I just commented on this video, but that's actually how you beat true bangers people who hit the ball hard every time. those people are going to be really bad at the net.
Not gonna lie, that saw made me so nervous when you were cutting it. I've had my first pair of KS2 for a year before they started to separate from the bottom, I wore them daily. So I decided to get another for some reason, haha! I just like the look I guess. Thanks for the video. I know they won't last that long but at least I know what I'm getting.
Good players are able to drive the ball hard and low then take pace off and either drop or dink as well. Bangers that hit the ball hard on every shot rarely make it above 4.0 because of unforced errors. To get to levels of 4.5+ you need to be able to both drive the ball from the baseline and move it around in the short court. Roll volley skills on both sides from mid court forward are also required.
Thank you. Great tips. I reckon, WE make bangers LOOK GOOD. How?? Well, firstly avoid 'feeding them' waist high forehand side balls. They relish these returns as they will slam you again and again till either they make mistakes hitting the net or you getting hit ( nesty Nelson) or popping up a ball they can slam again. I found the best (IMHO) is 1) Avoid shots to bangers, but to weaker of the two 2) Direct to backhand of both opponents 3) Lower your stance and watch for balls going out, 3) Just block shots with soft hand, yes, no motion just absorb shot and let balls drop into NVZ,( especially sideways), this frustrates bangers as you're not 'playing their game'. 4) If your reaction time is quicker, punish them back to their feet and if reaction time is poor, take a step back to compensate for response time.
You seem really comfortable and confident at the NVL. Does that confidence just come with repetition? Or are there little things your mind is hyper focusing on to slow things down?
A lot of it is seeing more balls (repetition). Besides that, the importance of a good ready position with paddle up and out front can't be overstated. Finally, from my own experience, there is a bit of a mental aspect to it as well. I find whenever I expect an attack and cower (shifting weight or even sometimes moving back, point of contact closer to body instead of out front), I hit bad shots and lose the point. If I simply decide to stand my ground and block the next shot I often surprise myself at what I can get back. Just trust yourself that you can deal with the pace and don't let messing up (no matter how many times you do it) shake your confidence. Eventually you'll get it.
@@christopherprosser7505 It's good advise. I am a guy so the only parts of my body I want to protect are my eyes and my package because those are the only parts that can hurt me. I have been hit everywhere else and nothing produces more than a slight sting. I get a little annoyed by guys that turn away from smashes because I know a lot of frail thin girls that stick in there and dig those same smashes. You can also often tell where they are going to hit it by the way the set up. I sometimes return shots I hardly even see just by guessing and sticking the paddle out. Blind luck but doesn't happen if I turn away from the shot. Except for the eyes, getting hit by pickleballs just isn't that bad.
@@929mmr I agree with what you are saying but there are certain instances where turning away makes sense. If all players are at the kitchen and your opponent is getting ready to smash a high pop-up where you don't have time to back up and make space, the chances of returning it are pretty tiny. In this case, the correct ready position to return it would be paddle very low so if your opponent mis-hits you won't be able to protect your eyes. I'd rather just lose the point than risk a visit to the ER. You can see Ben and Collin Johns turn their backs on a popup on match point of the match they recently lost to Smith/Young.
@@christopherprosser7505 I never back up or turn away and I get a lot of smashes back, a lot. I see a lot of people lob the ball and it's pretty good lob and they back up preparing for the smash. I run to the kitchen line where ever I am. you can not smash a ball from the base line past 2 people at the kitchen. the ball is just going to lose all speed. try it with a partner. on skinny court stand at the base line serve the ball over head past your partner. they'll easily hit it back. try it with 2 people I teach people if the lob is past half court move up, you now put pressure on you're opponents and a lot of time they hit the ball in the net. you hit a short lob you're in trouble and theirs not much you're going to be able to do anyway moving back is losing the point. there's always a chance to return the ball if you're actively in the point. I will say there is a time to move back but usually it's a couple of steps.
if you ever played baseball, it's a pretty weird thing this ball is coming at your face and you're just ok with it. watching it as inches closer and closer till bam catch it with you're mitt same thing with Frisbee, trust in your instincts. you will be amazed at what you can do. I will say if you have eye problems or injuries or something that slows you down be mindful of that.
Sometimes I try to use a block, but the ball pops way up. I'm sure that my paddle position is correct. Is it possible that bangers are also using spin?
It seems like a couple times that you were late to the kitchen on your return, it was bc you hit it with more pace and shorter to your opponent, reducing the amount of time you have to get to your spot. In that situation, are you better off taking speed off of it and hitting something deep to your opponent to keep them back and to give you more time?
What paddle do you use, and would it be ok for a new player?
Good advice. However, in my experience the banger also a good player will hit the bang but they don’t stay back so hitting it back to their feet doesn’t work. They are aggressive. Hit the drive and then move forward so when I return it they are ready to drive the second one even harder for the win.
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Great video, but no resets or dinks as part of the strategy? I find that bangers drive a lot of their shots into the net or way out after a good dink. Maybe thats in the standard strategy.
Terrific video thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
“Rule number 1”…. (Holds up two fingers 😂). Good video brother
Are the rules the ball has to bounce on each side after serve?
I'm a 2.0 player at best, and fear that all the advice in the world won't do me much good if I don't have the reflexes to react quickly enough to hard-hit balls. That said, this video had lots of advice useful for us recreational players.
Steve: You can develop reflexes hitting against a wall
Lot of banging going on in this video. This would make for a great drinking game...watch this video and take a drink whenever you hear the word "banger" lol
I keep getting intimidated by bangers Hard top spin drives. Meanwhile i bet if i step away most of the shots are out. I will try this buddy. Thank you .
Go for it!
great video, just saying as a tennis coach, I ain't paying 500 bucks for the pickle ball coach course
Is that a San Diego court?
My husband and I are bangers. We don't mean to be but have only been playing since October and have an extensive tennis background. We have won all the tournaments we have entered at 3.5 but know we need to have a better soft game to move to 4.0 to 4.5. Any videos to help us transition to an all around game? We struggle dropping it but can dink, volley, and serve well. Also, it seems that our opponents don't want to meet us after the match at the net.
Sounds like you’re sand baggers
Practice a ton and mix in play with lower level players, specifically focusing on drops and dinks to win points.
@@davidkeith1921sounds like you don’t like tennis players are going to take over the sport
This explains why the top level players aren't bangers and the high level tournaments are like 90% dinks. a 90 yr old could beat a 20 yr old with the right strategy
It's wild to me that tennis is so against the "pusher" and pickleball is so against the "banger" (aka opposite of a pusher)
12:20 ish, your partner steps into kitchen. Good video. I do see myself mid court too much.. or as I like to call it, dead man's zone!
obviosly but it works
Great info. Those welders glasses you are wearing , not so great. 😂
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Haha. It's like diet and exercise. We all know 'what' to do, we just can't get ourselves to do it. When playing bangers I instinctively start driving every shot too. I wish I had a reliable strategy for reminding myself to slow it down.....to be more proactive and less reactive.
In your live examples your returns are so short. I like to hit a soft floating slice return that will give me time to get to the NVZ. The slice keeps the ball low so it’s harder for them to hit good drive. Plus they are so deep that if their drive is manageable, a simple drop volley works every time.
It's always been to one's advantage to get to the net. Once you're at the net, the court opens up for you, giving you the greatest chance of keeping your return in. The trick is to control one's natural desire to forcibly resist and use their force against them by drop shots, aka dinks.
From an ex banger, good video!
ponk ... ponk .. ponk .. thrilling.
This video assumes I have literally, and I can’t stress this enough, any control of where the ball goes.
I don't think it is whether you are a banger or not, but more how effective your shots are. If you are a consistent banger you can rule the court in my opinion. Also try to have a balanced game so that you can play the soft volleys as well.
One thing I love about pickleball - If you just bang, even if you do it well, you can become decent, but your potential is pretty limited.
It’s the future, no way around it.
Playing against bangers is exhausting. Playing with bangers is exhausting too. Learn the game and have an all round game!
Use banger defence in Singles?
@12:29 the guy on the left his feet were in the kitchen when he was volleying so isn’t it the other teams point?
I played tennis so being a "banger" was my first reaction. Is it wrong to hit hard and deep shots every now and then? I know not every shot and you gotta volley sometes. Just wanna make sure there is a time and place for those "banger" shots
Why not at their feet? You say to target to the R or L, but it seems aiming at the bangers feet would work as well?
i just realized i'm a banger. all the stuff above are good. but some bangers are former or current tennis player and are good at "banging" so some of the techniques above doesn't apply
What kind of Oakleys are those?
I think they're Sutros
Great video but you left out a massive part of beating a banger. What do you do when you're serving?
Bangers can be beat but have an overall advantage vs an opponent that only plays a soft game.. having both in the game tool bag is a plus. I agree with a lot of this but do not agree that bangers are at a disadvantage, if anything an overall advantage as long as other components of the game are used not just being a banger.
I just started maybe a few weeks ago, my friends tend to spike the ball hard downward whenever they can and I can't counter it. It's so frustrating the downward angle is so difficult to stop for my beginner self
You have to get better and keeping it low over the net so that can’t smash.
@@RandomTaylorswiftandcatsstuff Yep. Pretty much every beginner has to learn the hard way. You can dig more by keeping your paddle low and not being in the middle of the court but the best way is to get better and not let them have a ball they can smash.
I thought there's a two bounce rule so you can't really move up after a serve?
Not all bangers are created equal some people appear to be bangers because the competition isn't as good and hits the ball consistently to high so your always banging winners. The point is you need to be able to adapt to the competition so you need to be able to bang and dink.
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8:09 this guy must be watching me play :/
Where are you located?
Chess. Yay.
Ohhh banging works.. you haven’t met a good banger
You have great information on pickleball but your videos are twice as long as they need to be. Just cover one subject, a couple of different ways then make another video. Thank you!
Noted!