Insomniac hates Spiderman?
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- its a silly story and i didnt like it.
Timestamps
intro- 00:00
character writing - 01:03
story recap - 06:30
miles is perfect -13:51
miles is to strong - 18:34
mj is stupid - 20:22
mj is a bi*ch - 22:55
mj is op - 29:16
mj is a liability - 31:15
peter is useless - 34:54
harry - 39:31
conclusion - 40:23
thank yous - 41:10
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MJ has plot armour
Miles has plot sword
Peter is screwed by the plot
So true, even if Miles have both an armour and a sword. That guy should be called Spider-Gary Stu.
@@bluewings2 I mean what was so insane that he did?
I mean, that's Spider-Man in general...
@@bluewings2 how is he a gary stu?
@@joycongod4831you don’t have to do something insane to be a Gary sue, he can simply do everything and the game seems to make him perfect and not give him consequences.
Im not a power scaling guy, but even a kindergartener would be confused as to how miles beat peter when he got no diffed by kraven and peter did that exact same thing to him.
Peter losing to Kraven the first time makes no sense either, he got no diffed by Kraven but Harry with no prior training was beating Kraven so easily
Is it so difficult to imagine that peter is constantly holding back?
Peter's spent ten years fighting people who disintegrate if they take a straight-up punch from him.
Obviously Kraven would be a surprise when the most comparable person to him in size is the Kingpin, not Rhino.
And if you're going to say that even with the black suit, Peter would go all out against Miles Morales, who's maybe a year older than he was when he started, you're buggin.
These people aren't the brightest.@@zacharybosley1935
Peter didn’t WANT to actually hurt Miles it was the suit amping his anger and emotions….how is there any fair comparison because Miles was struggling to get peter to listen to him at all but he couldn’t beat him that was shown in the cutscenes and you can hear how peter hesitates and struggles with himself till he got just enough will power to reject the suit
@@SleepingSoulK you can’t reason with these meatheads who cry and whine whenever they don’t feel like their fave character is being shown as the biggest strongest most unbeatable boy 🙄
The biggest thing about the story with the symbiote and anti-venom is that. If they were going to have Peter wear it and give the "healing" properties with it. Then during the final scene with Peter saving Harry by healing him from the symbiote. He should've and would've cured him of his illness. Especially since he already rids civilians from symbiote possession. I would assume Peter would be curious as to what else anti-venom can do.
@@chandllerburse737 that's also true
The suit also presents a problem for the next game. Peter has a symbiote now that even in the game he says “has all the power but not the bad influence” so how on earth do you have him get rid of it without it seeming too inorganic or without raising the power of villains to a level where Peter shouldn’t have ever won so the out it?
@@chandllerburse737 he also with that suit is just as powerful as he is with the Anti-Venom suit. Symbiote Peter beat Kraven with no sweat, who himself beat every other villain of Peter’s and called it easy. How do you make a good villain without making him as strong as Venom?
@@seliteguitarist3664 That is a good question to thinking about as unless Peter willingly gives up anti-venom in a hand wavy explanation that suits the plot and gameplay of the next game. It'll be tough to really have Peter continue using it without making the next main Villian very high in scale. Unless they do something like making the Green Goblin as strong as his Ultimate counterpart. I don't really see how Insomniac can really use anti-venom unless Carnage is involved.
I've finally found the sane Spiderman community! why is every other creator glazing this game so hard? the vibes r different with this one im pretty sure everyone can feel it its just not as sound as the first one in some pretty disappointing and surprising ways, I'm glad there's a sizable percentage of players that are angry about peters role, behaviour and general competence in the story, i honestly dk how i feel abt this game. (as a story at least)
Multiple things. It’s Spiderman. It’s a sequel to a good game. It’s extremely woke. All of these lead to people self censoring, excusing and coping to where people aren’t as hard on it.
@@ExpertContrarianit’s not woke there are two missions with a woke stuff
@@Crocc101 Nice doublespeak. Also, those are not the only things in the game. It’s the entire game
@@ExpertContrarian how? tell me
@@Crocc101 let me know when you can be genuine
Mj was bad in the first game too, but they tried to massively course correct her by the end of it. Everybody remember her trashing on peter in the first game?
Oh I definitely remember. She was hella bitchy. The dlc SLIGHTLY changed that but she was still bitchy when he was eating pizza while she (unknowing to Peter) was sneaking through a maggia base. I was like, girl, if you don't shut up. No one asked you to do something so stupid.
i fully believe the theory that they actually wrote Peter to strike Standish as he landed into that sable tent (he literally even has an OBVIOUS PUNCH cocked back and ready to throw in the pose he’s shown flying into the tent with)-but it got such negative reactions during player testing/feedback that a producer made the call to change it to Peter simply landing in between them and having Standish bizarrely trip over nothing and somehow instantly KO himself on the floor instead 🤣
obv a TERRIBLE DECISION to make because then instead of MJ's angry reaction making sense ("you knock a man out, destroy my research…") and fitting into the whole arc of their relationship throughout the story, it’s just outright dishonest and wildly unfair/mean to Pete.
@@princssnasty The first game made a lot of weird writing choices with MJ. "I never got the whole hero with a mask thing" she said at the museum. Which like, makes no sense? MJ is supposed to be relatively smart, good hearted and used to be in a long-term relationship with Peter. You'd think if anyone would "get the mask thing" it's her. She then adds "to me a part of being a hero is showing everyone 'it was me, I did that!'". It really painted her as caring more about the glory of heroism than doing the right thing, even if the writers didn't intend that.
The game also weirdly took her side a lot even though much of her behaviour was self-centered and unreasonable. She insisted on investigating a potential terrorist threat by herself cause she didn't want Peter telling her what to do, and she didn't even notify the police. But when crap hits the fan, MJ calls Peter for clean-up, and Peter never calls her out for it. Instead Peter has to "learn to see her side of things". I just don't like this MJ one bit.
Someone that doesn't try to sugarcoat the fact that this game was full of shit story wise or the fact that beyond some small innovations the entire game feels way too much the same and Peter is just another case of Jake Skywalker.
Also I like the style of criticism you made for this game. Too bad we have another way-fu writer that wants to promote his dream character while butchering the other characters, sure he's passionate but in all the wrong ways.
It wasn’t full of shit, but it definitely has its problems especially in its final act where things got rushed as hell
He is just obsessed with Mary Jane lmao. And now we're gonna have to listen to her shitty podcast in the next game too. I feel like modern writers don't understand that a female character can be strong without being as action focused as the other leads. Look at the original snow white for example. She actually got the dwarves to step up their act BECAUSE of her more feminine style. Just because you aren't a fighter doesn't mean you can't impact the story.
it was written by sweet baby inc. thats why the story is garbage
@jeffreyali1456 dude stop. It's full of hella shit
@@chandllerburse737 no she is not
This guys gonna slowly become a big player if he keeps posting regularly
This is good shit man. You could quit your day job if you get this channel big enough and monetized
Maybe but just looking at the first 3 minutes this editing looks like so much work
thank you for the vote of confidence
@@weemeathead good luck m8!
I think the crazy part about this is the fact that we’re getting a third Spider-Person Silk that means we could have 4 playable character so how they want to write her when they can’t right Miles or MJ right is insane to me but the crazy part is Silk wasn’t even in the original plan they just threw her in there just ‘cause they could this shows that they don’t know what they’re doing they don’t have a complete story they just have a few bits of cool moments.
1:06 "I really like character writing. Its one of my favorite things in stories. I can forgive plot problems for GOOD. STRONG. Character Writing"
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yeh boi
If the first game managed to bring in amazing emotions throughout the story and brings me to tears at the end, this one managed to dissapoint me at most turns, the only way to build up the supporting cast was by putting Peter down, and even then they underutilised Miles, but the ending is the worst thing, the boss fight lost all emotional value when you switch over to Miles, because there has been one conversation before, so its just two guys fighting only because evil vs good, and then Harry is kept alive for no real reason ruining the emotional inpact completely, so from a story standpoint it really dropped the ball and deserved to go 0/7 at the game awards
Fantastic video by the way🙏
They intended to show the emotional conflict between Miles and Venom by making Harry be KKK levels of racist against black puerto ricans specifically. He would use every slur and culture specific criticism against Dominicans to exist. Then halfway through the fight Miles points out he is Puerto Rican, not from the Dominician Republic, with Venom saying "I know, I always knew" mirroring the scene where Otto reveals he knew Peter was Spiderman the entire time. Sadly this got cut alongside everything else in the 3rd act.
The gameplay literally made me cream myself, so it at least should've won an award for best gameplay or smth.
It deserves the Voice acting award at least cause Yuri killed it with the suit
@@jeffreyali1456 that could be true but bad script and story direction would still unfortunately undermine Yuri's performance. Imagine what he COULD have done with PROPPEE Story Direction and more subtlety in Peter's descent
@agreatmanlookingtotheright that was a wild read
This guy rlly proved a lot of great points. Now i cant ever look at spiderman 2's story da same😢
thanks man
I would also argue that they hate Venom as well. Every other villain is portrayed faithfully to at least some extent, here Venom is in name only and the interviews showed they did know better but decided to go this route anyway. If were to hazard a guess why its also tied to Miles. Venom in the comics did not stay a villain and was Spider-Man's original spin off character. (a popular one at that outsells Miles' books) The game's plot is actually one Venom tends to stop in their own comics, but more importantly portraying the character properly would require Miles to not be pushed up, not be the new "main" Spider-Man, as its a far more personal tale for Peter and Eddie, that requires a lot of character development for Peter, the symbiote (which did not start out as evil and only wanted to help Peter) and Eddie.
@chandllerburse737
You say that but then entirely miss the point and the fact both are spin off characters. If Eddie was brought in but things were kept the same it still wouldn't be Venom. SM2 Venom is Venom In Name Only.
Yes, everyone knows that already. What did you think did not stay a villain was referring to? Their brief time where they fought Iron Man?
What are you on about? I did not mention a single other anti-hero. The point was both were Spider-Man spinoff characters that require a lot of time and investment to do properly. Time that was clearly given to Miles.
@chandllerburse737
At this point you're just being disingenuous, its undeniably clear my comment was made in reference and in addition to the arguments made by the video itself. Not that I randomly decided to pick on Miles.
its so sad how they messed up Peter and the game's story.
See I knew something felt off after I played this game. The only thing I was sure about was how disappointing the miles vs Peter fight was and how the game clearly ended hinting at the green goblin being the next villain, also Peter’s most iconic villain, yet giving him to Miles to fight instead (or at least that’s how the ending portrayed itself to me). Like dude has no emotional resonance to the Goblin or Harry and they want to try and make Miles the main Spiderman? I would’ve been cool with it as the ending of the next game because it just makes more sense but doing it here is just kinda weird.
Peter is taking a break
Peter is def gonna be the Main Protagonist of Spider-Man 3. I think his “retirement” is to say, his time is coming to end, which honestly, I do not like at all either
Peter will be playable in Spiderman 3. He might not be playable right away but he certainly will be by at least the halfway point. We're probably getting a Silk spin off game where she gets trained by Miles then the two of them are the protagonists in Spiderman 3. Once stuff starts getting crazy, Peter joins in. Then maybe he dies at the end. Wouldn't shock me.
@@donniejefferson9554 Ah. Interesting point my guy. Like where you went with it 💪🏾🔥
@@Goku-fn3qd I hope so. I love Miles man. But Peter is the OG and I have all the love and respect for him too bro
Thank you!!! I also found it frustrating that no one called Miles out for his mistakes!
I was too busy enjoying the actual game to notice stupid details
@@Joshenator-xp1ff get out of here simp
@@Joshenator-xp1ffstupid details like what? It's literally in the main story 💀
@@0xycon and?
What mistakes?
To be honest. They dhould have donr one thing that could have made the boss fights so much better. Make you lose. As in like the Venom boss fight. Have the player struggle against Venom so much for long enough that you just lose to Venom. Miles eill do his best but you as the player eont get far down the healthbar while Miles is just losing. Then have the Spider-Men team up and fight Venom. It can be co op. Or you can have the ability to switch from them at certain points to get some attacks in. For example. Peter could get some licks in even throws a piece of the roof at Venom. But then he is grabbed by the throat and choke slammed to the ground. You switch perfectly to Miles who attacks Venom who frees Peter by accident and boom! The fight continues on. Maybe even tear their suits hard enough that healing won't repair the suit. Healing in the first place shouldnt repair the suit. But it is what it is. The fight should show that Peter and Miles are better foghting Venom together. Not separately. The duo would die before they individually beat Venom. But together. Together they are Stronger. Together they can Beat Venom. I dont really like the whole Anti Venom here. But do the same thing as in the game and Harry dies. Give Norman a actual reason to Hate Peter and Miles. Even blame them for not trying to save him
thanks man
Thank you for this video. I doubt the writers will ever acknowledge any of this for the sequel (watch them kill Peter or at best remove his power), but it's nice to see people actually pointing out the stupidity in this game.
Holy shit how does this banger not even have 100 views? Nah hold on we’ll fix that.
Thanks man
@@weemeatheadYou deserve all the thanks for this banger
Criminally underrated
@@weemeatheadmiles wasn’t important at all he wasn’t even in the story mj is doing to much tho i agree on that, also miles being more powerful makes more sense idc bout the bull shit he is a nuke
10:02 I didn't even THINK of that😭🤦♂️.
HOW TF did Harry hit the cannister that someone with SUPERSPEED was HOLDING!?
Also HOW TF PART 2 did a cane swung by a SICKLY PERSON....BREAK an Oscorp built CANNISTER...CAPABLE of holding an ALIEN SUIT that gives you SUPERPOWERS!!!???😭
A much better approach to the Venom transformation would’ve been something more like Spectacular Spider-Man. Have Peter explain the suit is sentient and dangerous, and tell Harry he’s going to get Dr. Connors to help get rid of it. He leaves the suit as Oscorp in the tank because it seems it’s the only place that can hold it reasonably. Harry agrees, clearly scared and distraught he has to stare at the thing that can save him. Peter leaves. Harry then has a moment talking to what he now learns is a sentient alien suit. He puts his hand to the glass, and much like Spectacular, the suit follows. This makes him believe the suit really wants him back because it likes him and not for revenge. It doesn’t make Peter look weak by getting knocked out in one move and it makes Harry look more like a addict to the suit than malicious in his anger towards Peter
@@chandllerburse737How is it a nitpick? How does a disabled man knock something from Spider-Man’s hands?
Attention to detail matters
@@chandllerburse737 yes, that is disabled
@@chandllerburse737Ok but , can you explain that ?
@@chandllerburse737 what do you mean "explain what" ? How does Peter not dodge Harry ?
what really irks me is Martin Li being let off Scott free and now is a Lowkey reformed good guy. Like he didn’t kill off majority of NYC int the first game. Indirectly killing Aunt May. Like cmon now
i think its implied that he is turning him self back in at the end
@@weemeatheadhe didn’t serve his time though, I feel like they should’ve had some part where he goes back to Raft and the workers there realize he’s good and shorten his sentence
Yeah that bothered me too lol. Like during that cutscene I was thinking “wait, shouldn’t you go back to jail?, didn’t you murder a bunch of innocent people?” Feeling bad about it isn’t enough lol
@@SavageJarJarThat's what "turning yourself in" means, turning himself into prison.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs oh yeah I misread what he said
Gotta love that Sweet Baby Inc writing!
22:00 The only way for this to make sense is if the worker was actually the Chameleon and Kraven’s hunters didn’t know about him.
“i don’t care?” that’s insane i probably wouldn’t have bought the game knowing the devs are so self centered at times like that, hopefully the update has everything promised, cuz insomniac CAN listen to the fans they just choose not to
They do but y’all are fuckwads and hack them lol
Insomniac listens more than anyone else lol
Seriously? You think having a creative vision is self centered? You must really hate games then
@@connorharnage6697please tell me you're not that stupid
@@boryontotheleader2328 I see nothing stupid about telling a bunch of whiny bitches to fuck off so you can do what you think is best for the game. If anything I respect it. It seems fame companies are always on two extremes. They either don't listen to their fans at all and see them as nothing more than walking wallets or they fold to their fans forsaking any semblance of artistic vision. Both are equally bad. Insomniac is one of the few who hears the criticism and responds accordingly. If they think it's valid, they'll improve or scrap it. If they don't think it's valid, they'll ignore it
I have a few things to say/type. 1. This is a great video. You pointed out some stuff I noticed, but didn't really give heavy thought to. Sadly I've gotten used to characters getting dumbed and/or weakened down for the sake of the story at that exact moment. For example, look at how they ended John Wick Chapter 4. He didn't anywhere nearly as muffed up as he was at the end of Chapter 3, but they're saying he died from his injuries he got getting to, and from the duel.
B. The only thing I kind of disagree with you about is why Peter didn't take the job immediately. Reason being the last time he took a job at/for a place that would change the world his boss/mentor became a Supervillain. Had another close friend/mentor also become a Supervillain. On top of that several people and his aunt died from a virus. All of which were largely because of Harry's dad, Norman.
Trois. I noticed that the story around Peter, Harry, and the Symbiote was VERY similar to 2 other Spider-Man related movies. One of which you mentioned. 2 parts of it came from The Amazing Spider-Man 2. The 2 similarities are Harry loses a parent to an unknown illness. They just flipped which parent died. Also that Harry became a villain because of Peter "refusing" to help cure him. You can probably guess the difference in this part.
The other similarity comes from Morbius. Where the suit heals, and saves Peter from the poacher's poke, but then he doesn't want to give it back to Harry because of how dangerous it despite how desperately he needs it. Similar to how Michael didn't want to give his best friend Lucien/Milo the treatment because of the vampirism it causes.
on the peter job point. thats a fair point, they didnt show that kind of emotion from peter, like he wasnt suspicious, or asking questions to harry about norman to figure out if this is all an evil scheme, but i agree you could guess peter feels that way i would have just liked to have seen it.
also thanks for watching and your kind words
@@weemeathead You are welcome.
@@weemeathead I see/read what you mean. I just took it as Peter was trying to say no without hurting Harry's feelings. I mean he could've said "Sorry Harry, but last time I tried to help "heal the world" your dad wound up causing major problems, made 2 supervillains, and got my aunt killed. So not just no, but FUCK YOU no." But Peter's a good boy.
My main problem was plot in this game for me. The pacing was too fast imo
i didn't mention that but i think things happen way to fast as well
I’m glad that someone else was noticing the problems to the game. I started to notice half way through the story how they were doing Peter dirty and it made me sad to see. Still really fun gameplay wise, but the story was very lacking. Great video!
Just seeing the first 2 hours of the gameplay told me I shouldn’t get this game. Based on how Peter and Miles took hits. While Peter gets hit and either takes a bit to get up or get restrained, Miles bounces back quick and gets back into the fight. I don’t understand why the hell writers nowadays need to make characters people generally love look stupid and incompetent.
Another example of this is technically in Boruto.
Spoilers!!!!
Naruto is fighting a character named delta who he should, in all intents and purposes, able to one shot. But he’s trying to get information out of her. “Cool great idea.” But all of that should immediately be thrown out of the way when Delta goes for one of your kids. Naruto out classes Delta in all stats except tech, because he doesn’t need tech. It’s frustrating seeing dumb decisions made for plot.
This is why I’ll stand by that Spider-verse miles is still the best Miles. Doesn’t drag down character that people love. Still able to tell a story with new likeable people and showing characters being incredibly competent. Look at Peter B Parker!! Man is able to keep up with the other spider-people while carrying a baby and was able to sneakily grab miles while others weren’t able to.
You watched the game with your eyes closed if you think miles took any bigger hits than Peter
@@joycongod4831but he did
@@arthurlobao2642 like?
315 million and not one sensible writer
This is my first video i've seen of you and i really liked it. Everything you said was on point. Was surprised you didnt even have 1000 subs. Keep at it man
thanks bud
If anyone also remembers didn't mj said Peter had been cut pretty much open form king pin when they were in high school so how he gets stabed and almost dies is like wtf
At 27:30 I’m just now realizing how goofy Peter saying the symbiote is the reason why he was able to take down the Lizard as if he hasn’t beaten him before in this universe.
It was already established how Connors became the lizard and was stopped and now Peter is acting as if this suit is why he’s able to beat him the second time around?!! WHO WROTE THIS
This is the biggest lizard been
You forget this lizard mutated and got way bigger because of kraven than the lizard in the lab coat peter fought in the past?? That line does make sense
No no no no Lizard wasn't that big the first time he fought him. And there wasn't a guy with a whole crew that was going after them.
That’s… kinda the point of the Symbiote. It makes Peter think he NEEDS it.
As most people's complaints with the story are... There are BETTER ways to go about depicting that. @@guspeixoto7740
I was watching this video when i wondered why i havent found your channel earlier and i saw your channel and was super surprised as this video (also your AC Mirage video) are quite good/high quality in my opinion with the editing and video structuring, so keep up the good work man and cant wait until the next video!
If you read the recent comic lines they really do hate spiderman
They don't hate Spider-Man though. That's false and a complete lie. Have you seen how much care they put into the game into the 3 Spider-Man games.
@@applesaretasty2731 thats false huh? So people complain about that infamous paul guy for no reason?
I love the editing it reminds me of NakeyJakey. Definitely can see you becoming really successful if you keep it up!
Thank you so much!
25:12 Ultimate Spider-Man from the cartoon and Spider-Man in the Renew Your Vows comics show EXACTLY how a Peter Parker WOULD and SHOULD handle this situation
Peter in the cartoon didn't care that Harry was in the suit. He fought the SYMBIOTE in order to SAVE HIS FRIEND cause he KNOWS how DANGEROUS the symbiote IS
Peter in Renew Your Vows saw Venom holding his family hostage and IMMEDIATELY LEAPED ACROSS THE ROOM and BROKE Venom's Jaw. Sending him THROUGH the window behind him
Idk about everyone else but I do NOT care if we came out of the SAME WOMB at the SAME TIME. You THREATEN MY FAMILY? You'd be LUCKY if TEETH were the ONLY thing you LOST that day🤷♂️
@chandllerburse737 Ultimate Cartoon Spidey didn't have to kill Harry to save him...but he saved him from the symbiote...SEVERAL times. And Yes Renew Yours Vows Venom was Eddie so I guess theres less resistance. But even in the Spectacular spiderman cartoon, where Eddie was his friend, as soon as he threatened May's life, their friendship didn't matter
Peter doesn't play around with May or MJ. Harry is a threat, nothing more or less, so Peter's reluctance will get people KILLED, INCLUDING his other loved ones. Plus its not like beating Venom's a$$ would automatically kill Harry, as long as the symbiote isn't removed. Venom is NOT invincible, so Peter would just have to find a way to keep him contained until he figured out a safe way to remove the symbiote
But just STANDING THERE while MONSTER infects your girlfriend and threatnes the lives of EVERYONE ON THE PLANET is utter STUPIDITY and nothing less
So basically the Arkham Knight of Spider-Man games. Perfect gameplay and a sleek new suit that makes you stronger than ever before, but a story that forgets everything about the characters.
@@chandllerburse737 he really shouldn't have lost to Crane. I get struggling against Jason, but Scarecrow should've been taken down on the airships.
@@chandllerburse737knights story lacked everything
B*tch please, Arkham Knights is a Masterpiece compared to Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League.
@@Kitty255Againstill batman's character was pretty much the same as before, he wasn't suddenly useless and stupid like peter and he still beat almost all of his villains and a whole army mostly by himself
Arkham Knight's story wasn't perfect by any means but it at least felt fully fledged out and felt like there was some form of effort put in.
SM2 is just shallow
Thank you for actually explaining the problem! I've tried to look for the answer before, but I ended up getting opinions on people that haven't even played the game! I'm so glad you actually broken down the problems instead of blindly blaming it on politics like others do...
In fact, you are one of the only people that can actually break down why a story's writing is bad or not, which makes me want to subscribe to your channel! If you keep doing this, then you've got a good thing going!
(P.S. You don't have to, but a think piece on why Minecraft Story Mode's writing is bad would instantly win me over. I have tried to find specific answers to my question like this video, but the only thing I've found is that "the writing is bad." WHY?!? That's what I want to know! I know that getting the game can be difficult, due to bankruptcy, but yeah... that would be fun!)
i think the reason people point to political reasons is due to Sweet Baby Inc, the people who were in lead in terms of story consultation.
I mean, dude, there's a bunch of political bs that shouldn't even be in this game
I love this game still but they really did do some unforgivable, egregious things with the characters. The end ruins this version of Peter for me and I hope they can fix it in the next games
Also every hunter that was in the steel factory, when they saved tombstone, is 100% dead at least 20 people died and no one even mentions it. It’s just completely forgotten about
They never ruined him you just want to complain about something
@@bullylowenthal2683 are u stupid
@@bullylowenthal2683 spiderman is the epitome of resilience and carrying on even when shit gets hard, I thought this version of spiderman embodies that so well in the first game my man fought the sinister 6 all at once got broken bones and just got straight back out there and carried on, his mentor and person he looked up to turned evil and he lost him and then lost aunt may and he still carried on and took a student on and trained him up while still being spiderman on his own. Now because they need miles to be the favourite/ main spiderman they take that trait away from him and it sucks. I don’t want something to complain about I’ve been spiderman fan since I was a little kid he’s my favourite fictional character of all time and I wanted nothing more than the end of this game to have been perfect but it just weren’t. No I don’t just want something to complain about but I DO have something to complain about so shullup man
@AG-sj4om all wrong no facts. You sound like the average spider man hater who claims to be a fan
This video is just so amazing thank you bro!
Thank you for your video and pointing out the many, many... MANY problems of the game. You are right when you point the writing problems, the dialogues and the characters as a whole are so... boring. Spider-Man stories should always have energy, just compare to Spider-Man 1.
I will never understand how Spider-Man fans can be cool with Spider-Man 2 and praising this mess. And yeah, I also can't say enough how much the "Why would this city need me when it has you?" is a pathetic line, so out of character and so much disrespectful for Peter. They undermined and humiliated him so much just because they wanted people to love Miles and to have him as the new main character... The funny thing, I also liked Miles, but after Spider-Man 2, I really don't want to hear about him because of how bad they handled the two.
People must understand something very important : Miles in himself is not the problem. The problem is the lack of respect for Peter, the OG. Miles is just a variant of Peter, he wouldn't even exist without him. So, if they really want games with Miles as the main character, it's ok, but at the very least, don't nerf or undermine Peter Parker. Complete Peter story, let him deal with HIS problems and HIS enemies, and give him a satisfying conclusion. Basically, a Peter Parker trilogy. Then, you can have a satisfying passing of torch that feels natural, with Miles as the new Spider-Man who will live HIS own adventures and dealing with HIS own problems and enemies, not Peter's one. Because yeah, at the end of Spider-Man 2, they officially announced that Miles is the new main character, while also announcing that the next big bad is the Green Goblin... For the people who say "you don't understand ! Peter will be back !" Sure, we know that he will be back, be not as the main character in a story with his two biggest enemies, and even if I'm sure he will be playable, it will not be enough, and after Spider-Man 2, I know that he will be nerfed and undermined, again. It's not respectful for Peter who is the OG who always was strong and dealt with his own problems when he was the only Spider-Man, AND for Miles who can't have his own stories, only taking Peter's ones.
On a side note, Cindy Moon as Silk will completely replace Mary Jane as the female hero. It will erase the problem of a badass female civilian nonsense. I just hope they will not make Cindy too overpowered for her very first appearance but I'm sure they will overdo it, like for MJ they will not give a shit. I hope they will not make me dislike her, she is my favorite Spider-Woman.
I really hoped that Insomniac Games would be a series with two awesome character being Spider-Bros. But no. The "Be Greater. Together." was a lie. Peter Parker, the OG, is sacrificed for his variants. To bad for me I guess. I have to live with it. It's not easy as a 40 years old Spider-Man fan, but well... Insomniac lost my faith and my money. It's a bitter medicine but a necessary one, the "new normal" we could say.
I agree with this, but watch they put more of the MJ missions in the third game even with Cindy being in it.
@@SynchroUEHLNFX Anything is possible with them, except respecting Peter Parker, that's too much to ask.
@bluewings2 Exactly, even outside of comics, they don't respect Peter. All he does is suffer. T_T
@@SynchroUEHLNFX Let's hope it's just a phase and Peter will never be forgotten...
@@bluewings2 Agreed. Let's hope for the better. 🤝
Bro this is such amazing quality?!?! Keep up the good work
Now You have a new follower, I really enjoyed watching your video bro keep it up 🙌🏼😎🙌🏼
Awesome thank you!
I had a bit of skepticism in the first game since silver sable managed to trap and kick Spidey's ass twice in a row despite him having spider sense and MJ just goes on and puts herself into a deathtrap and GETS MAD AT PETER for saving her AND PETER JUST APOLOGIZES TO HER INSTEAD OF STANDING HIS GROUND.
I thought maybe I am just too oversaturated with modern "writing" and just imagine things, but second game... oh boy.
Im glad someone actually put this all together in one video. Everything here was so apparent when i played through the game that it was so damn hard to enjoy the experience. Like peter was just destroyed in this game. To the point where idk if i even want to get the dlc or third game when they release. Conplete assassination of his character. Ive been saying this to a couple people but im happy to finally have other people who can see how poorly it was done. The first game clears so hard in every aspect aside from gameplay mechanics. But they cant save the story and writing, or the lack of post game content.
PS, love the charisma and editing in the video. Looking forward to seeing more from you my guy :)
The worst part of the game will always be the way they treated symbiosis like a sci-fi thing. Nothing makes it more clear that whoever wrote the masterpiece that was the first game is no longer at Insomniac.
Let's not get crazy. The first game was good but far from a masterpiece
@@connorharnage6697compared to Spiderman 2 it is 😭
@@9bucks Not really. SM2 has better gameplay and quality wise, the stories are equal except SM2 has better villains
@@connorharnage6697 I wasn't talking about the gameplay or quality, In my opinion the story for SM2 felt rushed and I enjoyed SM1 better, of course I'm not saying SM2 is bad but to be honest I like story more than gameplay, but SM2 was still fun
I always knew this game was flawed - but why does the gameplay gotta go so hard. And getting rid of the gadgets was not a good play. So many things felt so forced when playing this game. Like why is MJ so important when its a Spiderman game about Spiderman😑
i also miss the gadgets
If they added a quickfire mechanic like in the Arkham game that'd be nice but I definitely prefer what we got over the gadget wheel
Also why is MJ so important? It's like you said. This is a Spider-Man game. Unless you're Rami's bastardized version, MJ is important
32:58 The sentence “Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should” should’ve been applied here
we shall watch your career with great interest! :)
hahaha, thanks man
Peter is the Damsel in Distress in this story. They need him to be this way so Mary Jane becomes the mentor for Miles to replace Peter and this is why those 2 saved the day in the end instead of the actual Spider-Man. He won't be in the next one.
I guess I got past the black suit Peter vs Miles because after a certain point they’re both fighting against the symbiote. But I’ve only played through ounce so idk maybe I missed something on that fight
I’m totally with you on everything else, the thing that saves it for me is how fun the game is to play. Nothing can beat the swinging and gliding combo for me right now
Yo they honestly should have made venom fight spiderman as a boss in the mission where we get to play as venom to make it more believable that venom knocked out peter before he got the anti venom
I loved the game but after thinking on the game more I realized that this game actually was a slap in the face to Peter. He couldn’t even beat venom by himself and miles had to get the final fight. He couldn’t even beat a fridge 😂
Why does Insomniac HATE Peter Parker?
For real ever written now day like to fuck up his life for no reason ,but for Real i think they trying to replace him with miles
@@user-pj7oy3hw8zyeah nah
thanks man, your video is cool!!!
Amazing, to the point video bruv
Glad you liked it
To me, it sounds like the director (or whatever he is, I honestly couldn’t care less about this game) just wanted to get points or maybe his privates touched. I get wanting to tell your story, but there are cheaper ways to do that. It’s called writing a novel or a comic book, or even cheaper, a fan fiction that you post online. Not this. Not wasting millions of dollars. The devs are lucky that the game sold so well, because they’d be the ones losing out while the execs pocket what little they make back. Apparently this game’s sales were the best for the company by far.
Good job man, you articulated 100% of the feels about this game with good commentary and in-universe story explanations. And holy fuck I had never seen the directors interviews,
So incompetent and self center, i am glad this didnt win a single award and i hope they keep losing.
Also after seeing how less money sony is making over these spiderman games i wonder why they keep going this route.
Also i feel like 'New york city being covered in venom symbiotes and one of peter's lover interest becoming venom-ized' WAS DONE BETTER IN 'WEB OF SHADOWS'
i mean the game did hella good off launch prolly cuz of how good the first game was but the story def ain’t age well
@@WEIRDOWMEDIAEXCLUSIVE Yh and its only been like 2 MONTHS. Imagine how everyone is gonna feel about this story the more the replay in in the next coming years😭
Case in point this game is NO Arkham City...I imagine irs gonna have quite the OPPOSITE effect from fans in years to come😭
No. It wasn't done better in web of shadows. That story sucks and it doesn't look as good as this game. And WDYM Sony is making less money??? This is the best selling PlayStation exclusive ever. You're a horrible person bro..Get help
This guy is a double Dripperoni pizza with extra toppings and his arguments and analysis are also pretty great too 👍🔥
You got my sub just for this alone.
Prediction: In the next Spiderman Game Miles will be the main character, Peter will be barely or not in it at all. But we will of course get an MJ Mission! For some reason Game developers really like to ignore gamers Feedback.
Or maybe peter hesitates joining Harry's company because he's afraid of the burden and he's humble, has never pictured himself as a CEO. He also is distrustful of happiness after so much heartache.
I think a LOT of the story stuff is bad but not that. That's you nitpicking
Great video bro. This really
opened my eyes to why I felt so weird towards this Peter. I thought I was being biased and him looking so different appearance wise was the reason why he felt so disconnected to who he was in the first game, but damn they had the character writing thrown out of the window for this game.
You obviously know your shit in terms of writing. I don't, so I never could put in terms why I fucking hated the last two Spider-Man games. Well, I hated the story and writing. I couldn't skip trough every interaction fast enough to get back to the gameplay.
Amazing video! Feels great to find another channel to to slot into the old fav slot
yo i just wanted to say that god damn this is a VERY good video in literally every regard keep doing what ur doing bro cuz this is good shit
Honestly I liked the story but you made some really good criticisms. The andor comparison feels unfair because Andor is one of the best modern shows made, and it’s hard to convey the same slight emotion in a game.
Your criticisms about the character writing is true tho.
I'm glad you also think andor is one of the best modern shows, the comparison might be a little unfair but I do think games are capable of subtle story telling, they even had a smidge in this very game when Martin li had that really good facial animation when miles said "you don't know what you took from me"", games of this level are perfectly capable of it I think anyway
Also thank you for watching
Glad to see other people loving Andor like I do.
Also you don't need to compare it to Andor, just compare it to the first game's story. Because the first game's story was on Andor's level of quality writing-wise.
MJ an untrained unqualified civilian with little to no combat experience, becomes the strongest member of the team after being armed, making a pretty great albeit majorly unintended argument in favor of the second amendment.
Looking at the way they write they are I'm sure vehemently against the right to bear arms and yet they made a piece displaying the true equalizing capabilities of guns.
Well done.
If you played the story you will now that she got trained in simcari (what ever the city is calle)
@@Crocc101 The city where she went on vacation with peter, and exactly how much experience are you proposing she got over Christmas break while she was with spider man who, lets be honest, would still be doing most of the fighting and again lets be honest, would still be nothing compared to the lifetime mercenaries shes fighting.
Shes still untrained, she didn't go to military school, she is still an untrained civilian.
@@acewmd. you remember sable? In the comics silver sable comes from a made up City called Symkaria. She says in the game that she was trained by sable and shown how to drive a motorbike
@@acewmd. and to go from MJ doing stealth to just running though and tasing
@@Crocc101 i think you sent that one a bit early, what were you trying to say?
this is a very good video. keep it up
Great video man keep it up 👍 😎
Great review! Hit the nail on the head.
Short answer: Yes
I am BEYOND BURNT on discussing this GARBAGE HEAP of a story...which my Community Tab since October 20th has been a TESTAMENT TO and I didn't cover EVERY bad thing on there so that should let you know how luch of a FUMBLE this story was😐...
But I'll just say this vid was amazing and even brought up points I never thought of💯🔥🔥🔥
Well Bryan Intihar admitted that this game didn't meet the intended quality bar in an interview alongside Ted price especially the atrocious 3rd act. Now the fanboys have no defence for this crap.
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@@chandllerburse737 Yeah. Why wouldn't he still be running it?
the comics understood this problem very well actually.
so in the spider man comics you have the main book which is called "the amazing spider man" which focuses on peter's adventures and his main points in life however it diminishes the side cast's character development. Marvel at the time understood this problem and created a sister book called "spectacular spider man" which gave more time for the side cast.
Miles's game did the same thing sort of. i really don't understand why the supporting cast took away so much from Peter in this game
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I feel like Harry and Peter had a really real connection and friendship in sm2.
the peter thing aside i really liked the harry and peter dynamic prob a better harry in a long time if you compare the animated shows harry.
Banger video
What's the music at 10:33, when Venom appears? Thanks. It plays a few other times in the vid.
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First video I watch of your; subscribed and set the bell for ALL keep up the good work don’t fuck it up please. It’s so hard to find a good CZcamsr that dosen’t lose my trust and stay true to themselves .
We need to remind ourselves that Sweet Baby Inc was involved.
A bunch of weirdo feminist that hate men and our hobbies got to write a A SPIDERMAN GAME.
Never. EVER forget that.
Also the Peter vs Miles thing, honestly the excuse that Peter is "Holding back" is pointless.
Imagine that you are fighting against MYKE TYSON, and Tyson doesn't want to kill you, does that mean that you can beat MYKE TYSON? WHO IS ALSO BEING POSSESED BY AN STEROID RAGING ALIEN MONSTER?
What SHOULD have happened is that Peter COMPLETELY smokes Miles in such a violent and unfair way that makes him snap, kinda like "Holy crap... i almost killed him, what is wrong whit me?!?"
Imagine the GoW 3 Kratos QTE against Zeus.
You know the one, were Kratos literally beats Zeus to a pulp so damn hard the screen turns completely red.
Omniman vs Invincible tier of unfair.
When i say that i mean Miles SHOULD have had a few broken bones, and be completely useless gameplaywise for a while, to TRULY show that Peter could have killed him, and to also show that Peter in some way does need Miles (instead of trying to sell the idea that Miles is perfect and can do anything himself)
But no, IMAGINE ever making Black Jesus show weakness.
Insomniac making harry agent venom is the most brain dead thing I've seen. Flash is Agent venom, that was his arc. Writters nowadays can't seem to be able to bring up characters without putting down other characters. Writers have drastically gone down in quality quality
It baffles me how people defend this game story wise. The SPIDER-MAN gameplay is fun, better than any Spider-Man game to date. The NON Spider-Man gameplay is boring. The cutscenes are beautifully designed/animated, while the context of each one SUCKS. This game feels so long to play for such shitty build up and ending. The only exciting parts of this story involve the symbiote (black suit/anti venom transformation and venom playability). I preferred miles base abilities over the new ones he got I literally kept switching back to his OG abilities since the newer ones felt boring and weaker.
I’ve lost all hope in future installments of insomniacs Spider-Man unless they manage to wrap up Peter Parker’s arc entirely in Spider-Man 2 which means Norman, Otto, carnage etc. Which isn’t gonna happen they will have miles fight them in Spider-Man 3 because he’s just better right? So much for Miles having his own villains so I can actually get an attachment to the story….
One thing I want to touch up on is that people like to bring up that Pete holds back which is why he couldn’t beat Kraven the first time….So you’re telling me that it took for him to put on the symbiote to not hold back as much? If you look at Spider-Man during those fights he’s clearly not doing enough damage to even come close to killing Kraven. Kraven himself even says “you still hold back.” So how come Peter didn’t just hold back less without the suit? It’s almost like insomniac literally nerfed Peter so that he needed the suit to be stronger 😱.
Really awful all around tbh. Great job on everything else though insomniac but the story just tanked in this one. The writers did NOT cook but to all the other devs y’all did a great job.
Sweet baby inc wrote this
This video is my exact thoughts on this games story. You deserve way more exposure and views on this.
I'm not gonna lie... I was so caught up in the hype for this game that I never realized how incredibly bad the writing was lmao
This game was still fun af to play, but honestly... I probably would have a hard time getting through this story with open eyes on a second playthrough
Honestly I'm now more excited for the future non-Insomniac Spider-man games. I had some issues with character writing in the first game but it was terrible in SM2, and the face changes of Peter and MJ exacerbate the problem.
Besides a clean slate, what the next iteration needs is an injection of "keeping it real", and some rule of cool attitude. I think Sucker Punch is the no-brainer choice. While Insomniac produces high quality, Sucker Punch games just have more flavor and personality in my opinion, with high quality on top of that.
@@kwk111hopefully wolverine wont be as rushed , and have a great story , good characters with a great wolverine.
HOPEFULLY !
You pointed out a good portion of the problems i have with this game's narrative. The gameplay would be good, If this wasnt a Spiderman game. How can Peter Parker do eletrical jumps and impulses without ever touching the ground or trhowing a web?
There are só many unSpiderman things in the gameplay that make me feel this isnt a Spiderman game.
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Sweet baby inc at its finest writing
amazing video
A kid's cartoon handled the black suit way better
The director of this game sounds so self centered and just not humble at all, which makes him a bad writer at the end. A story isn’t about what you, the writer, wants, but what your characters with their individual lives, personalities and goals lead them to.
Oh lord please use darker backgrounds 🙏🏽. So glad you highlighted Andor! More people need to watch that masterpiece.
Number one example of why you never have more than two writers for any story period.
37:00 Best villains aren't the ones with direct connect to the hero. Best villains are the one that can challenge the hero.
Ex: Batman and Joker.
them writers are so mediocre
so sick of this mediocrity in all of media
Great vid
Man. Great video. I haven't seen anyone make a review of this game that voiced almost all my thoughts on it. I've seen many reviews too. Even criticisms of the game have missed the point in my mind.
The gameplay/traversal is phenomenal and I really really enjoyed playing, which made experiencing the story and witnessing the portrayal of Peter even more painful.
Thanks for presenting these criticisms in a smart, concise, and entertaining way.
Hopefully more people see this and also someone in charge of narrative at Insomniac sees this and actually takes it in instead of just brushing it off as "negative" like people seem to do with criticism of this game.
My biggest worry is in Spiderman 3 we continue this trajectory and character assassination of Peter. If you go back and look at the first game this was nonexistent, he came across as a competent, smart, strong, and self assured Spider-Man, I'd like this back.
I'll even take extra nonsensical MJ missions if they fix Peter lol.
Great video man, appreciate you voicing your own honest opinion , it was refreshing when compared to most reviews and recaps of games nowadays.
I'll be subbing.
first minute in and i already subbed.
This is incredible editing and such a well thought out video how do you only have 848 subs??? Keep this up and this channel should def blow up (fantastic comic relief too) especially because every point you make is spot on 2018 was FAR superior to this game. I'm just surprised how no one goes into how awful Peter looks compared to last game and how ugly they made MJ compared to 2018. So much of this game made absolutely no sense and it was a huge let down, and if Miles is the new Spiderman I'm out on the next game.
The fact that anyone is surprised by the story ending up this crappy proves that most "spider-man fans" are tourists. Miles Morales, just like Ben Reilly, was created with the sole purpose of replacing Peter. If you're looking at the MCU and noticing that all the Ironhearts, all the She-Hulks, all the Kate Bishops, all the Yelena Belovas, are being shoved in to tear down the heroes in order to prop up the newer-er, better-er, stronger-er heroes, and then see Miles as anything but the exact same thing, you haven't been paying attention.
I’m gonna be rewriting this story on wattpad lol
Grade A S tier retrospective
thank you so much