Does WatchMojo Know ANYTHING about Fighting Games??
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Today we're doing another reaction to a Top 10 (this time it's 20) Fighting Games of All Time list! This one is from WatchMojo, as opposed to the previous one from IGN, and they went in a pretty bizarre direction with some of these picks! Arena fighters, platform fighters, party games, all kinds of weirdness that may or may not actually be considered part of the FG genre. Hope you enjoy my breakdown!
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0:00 intro
1:52 War of the Monsters
2:36 Def jam: Fight for NY
3:09 Power Stone 2
3:51 Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
4:30 Darkstalkers
5:39 King of Fighters 13
7:32 Injustice 2
8:08 Project Justice
8:33 Samurai Shodown
8:57 Tekken 3
9:44 BlazBlue: Central Fiction
10:19 Dead or Alive 5
11:47 MK9
11:58 Soulcalibur 6
13:14 Killer Instinct
13:53 Skullgirls
14:20 Dragon Ball FighterZ
15:13 Street Fighter 2
16:25 Marvel vs Capcom 2
17:35 Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - Hry
This dude doubting WatchMojo 😑😑😑😑😐
CONEY crossover when???? I would love to see it
Ya, because mojo never knows what the fuck they're talking about
@@nellen55 That was irony.
Literally was about to comment "you're taking a page out of the Coney content" playbook.
@@LucDaMan4 they actually already did a vid together but they definitely need to do another
Guilty Gear: Wait, why wasn't I invited here?
War of the Monsters: You don't deserve this spot, fool
Fax
the matrix's secret fighting game mode deserves a spot over war of the monsters (even though it was pretty fun in 2003)
The watchmojo method is to find a list of the 50 most popular things and randomly select 10 or 20 of them.
And yet, Guilty Gear is not popular in their eyes?
@@stewekookgaming5651randomly select ten or 20 of the top 50… that could be 50-30 lol.
Watchmojo knows about fighting games as much as my cat knows about cancelling low forwards into shoryukens
So they know alot about fighting games. Like all the cats I've seen can do it.
Bruh, the Skullgirls footage even has Valentine in her Mai Shiranui colors. The people who put this together are BIG Mai fans!
i think it's hilarious how the person who made this list loves mai so much that during the skullgirls segment the footage being shown in the background was of valentine using her alt that is based on mai
Fun Fact: The reason most people like Vendetta over Fight For NY comes down to one simple thing. DMX was only playable in Vendetta and did not return for the sequel.
It was a tough call between Strive and War of the Monsters but ultimately Strive came in at 21
Watchmojo has always peeved me because many of their number ones are there for being "iconic" and "classic" and not about games that genuinely deserve to be considered the number 1 *blank* of a list
Edit: Also dont know if you guys remember but watchmojo made a top 10 fighting game lists several years ago and world warrior was num1 lmao
I remember that, mostly because it didn't have a single SNK game on it.
They're iconic for a reason. They deserve the spot.
@@MagmaMKII Wasn't KOF XIII on the list?
@@damsen978 no
World WArrior was an iconic fighting game, what the fuck are you on?
I think on the KOF part, by "vastly improved controls", I think they mean getting rid of goofy inputs like df, d, dB, b, bu+p/k for specials and holding 2+4 for supers... that always annoyed me with KOF94/95. But they might have got rid of that sooner, I don't remember when they replaced with the fireball/hurricane movements for supers.
i can't recall if 13 was the first one to have the button hold trick for input buffering but MAYBE that's what they mean?
War of the Monsters is one of my favorite games! It's more like a beat-em up but you have a versus mode and the combat is deeper than you'd expect because of the many options you have haha
That shit was fun, I remember as a kid I always played with the giant praying mantis and used to call the homing leech Jimmy and cheer for him every single time he showed up.
good point
@@bobrianfo104 Yeah, Preytor and the other monsters were well designed, distinct yet uniform. It was a lot of fun messing around with most of them and figuring out their unique quirks
@@TwilightOroChi If they could find the popularity to do a remake like they doing for Dead Space, RE 4 and 2 then I would be there for it. There arent many games with that kind of love anymore. Destructable buildings, environmental hazards, secret ones as well. Top it off with unlockable characters and costumes thats not just DLC put in later for you to buy.
They didn't even touch 3rd Strike and that's Street Fighter Perfection for many.
Maybe I’m the only one that loved Bloody Roar (mostly the 2nd) but all of them I found fun. ahhhhh nostalgia.
Bloody Roar was sooo awesome!!!
nope theres a community for it. a lot of people love that game series
Love it
The music in the Gamecube adaptation, Primal Fury, always brings me right back to my tween years.
I love Bloody Roar
They had some weird choices, but DOA5 is lowkey one of the best 3D fighters of all time so I appreciate its acknowledgement
But no VF 😵
Shame about 6 though
facts ppl gotta put more respect on doa
i think it time for your own top 10 of all time list
Its cool that Rival schools got recognized
It's time, we need YOUR top 10/20!
War of the Monsters was basically King of the Monsters with a hint of Rampage. Really fun game
This list got me cryin' the club right now.
The IGN list felt like a list for the fanbase of fighting games with a shot of taking casual perspective into account.
This list feels totally random. I also feel like arena fighters/wrestling style games should get more respect in the community, they still are part of the genre even if it is a less technical sub genre.
Man, I love all your content - but your takes on these lists is fire! Lol it makes me feel like I know what I'm talking about when I disagree with them even as a filthy casual
DoA above Tekken is an insane take.
Most of the games above Tekken were insane takes. Tekken is easily top 5 fighting game franchises of all time.
On their top 10 jumpscares video, they put a shot from Harry And The Hendersons as like 4 or something. WatchMojo finds a list of things that might be related to the topic of the video, and pick things at random to include, in a random order.
depends on what games u pit against eachother from each series imo
I was looking ahead on the track to see the chapters while watching this video and I really loved the anticipation when I got to top #2 and you weren't even considering that it could be a platform fighter, so funny!
The IGN list felt like an alright count of games that people who consider themselves "fighting game players" online nowadays would talk about, but some of the choices on this list really just feel like the writer really liked playing the game in their childhood.
of course, war of the monsters stomps out any guilty gear game, that's actually true
I HIGHLY recommend War of the Monsters. It's not a fighting game in the traditional sense, but it definitely shares a lot of DNA with the genre, especially in the 2 player vs mode.
Yo War of the Monsters got SO Much love when I was a kid. It was that one weird non-godzilla Kaiju fighter everyone had seen at least at a friends house and it was SO HYPE. The original monsters are so cool. It's had a ton of play modes and a few secret characters.
Hey jm, I've really gotten into fighting games (again) in the months leading up to the release of SF6, and I just wanted to say: you've become one of my favourite people to watch, I really like the diversity of topics you cover and the way you present and explain things just clicks with me. : ) hope you keep going and keep having fun with it!
I haven't played fighting games in ages but your content is awesome. You have such a passionate love for the genre and an engaging personality that gets me excited to pick one up again.
WatchMojo is pretty casual when it comes to their takes.
Hey JM, love your videos! Especiallylove your 3S content :) You've inspired me to pick up Tekken 7 after not really FGs since Tekken 3 (life got in the way...). I bought a USB adaptor to use my old Namco Arcade stick, but I'm am finding I often miss the LK button because it's so much lower than RK. I keep dropping my index and middle fingers from LP/RP to find LK/KR, but basically only find RK :( Keeping my hand at an angle to hit LK more consistently hurts after a few mins. :( So I have two questions: 1) Which sticks (or layout) is best to avoid this? So far I'm looking at those with the lower row more in line with the top, VS LP/square and LK/X being shifted down... And 2) What stick do YOU use?? Could you please do a 'My Gear/Rig' video?? I'm sure we'd all love to see that!! :) Thanks heaps and keep up the good work! PS Azazel suuuuuuuuucks! >_
If we count Smash bros as a fighting game, i feel like you have to count games like powerstone & 3d brawlers. Its less technical for sure, but its a 3d fighter with at least 1 opponent where you fight them. If Tekken allowed more than 2 fighters in an arena we'd still call it a fighting game. We're just talking about sub-genres of fighting games (3d brawlers etc.)
It the game revolves around fighting, its a fighting game
@@peighnesshonourchign9164 so beat em ups are fighting games according to your logic? Casual.
Powers tone is a platform fighter but id classify 3d brawlers as beat em ups
It's not a fighter lil bro
Niggas would drag you on the floor 😂😂
I knew the moment I didnt see a Smash Bros. title anywhere before SF2 that it was going to be #1 lmao. The actual top 3 should have been Strive/Xrd REV2, MvC2 and 3rd Strike imo.
bro I love your content! I have a suggestion and I hope someone reads this: I think it would be awesome if you did a 'Fighting Games University', like Zizaran did for Path of Exile. FGs are just as complex as PoE and I think it would make a real contribution to the FGC to make this knowledge more accessible. I'd love to invest more time in fighting games, specially with SF6 on the horizon, but I don't even know what I don't know lol. I think YT lacks good videos about actual FG techniques, from beginner to pro.
The fact that VF4 Evo isn’t on here at all is criminal. It’s easily one of the greatest fighting games of all time.
The fact that there was no VF at all is mind-blowing. The original and 4E are hugely important historically, or you could argue for the last one being best. But none of them? wtf
I know, right?
But JM doesn't rate it, either. :(
IGN felt a bit more catered to hard-core vs WatchMojo's. From the moment that they said they were doing a separate list for platform fighters. Not to say platform fighters aren't for the hard-core, but they definitely are deserving of their own list, and are their own thing.
I'd HIGHLY Recommend war of the monsters, It's a really cool game. And it's story mode is hard in a good way. The bosses are large and difficult. and it's combat is great. honestly if you are a fan of monster games play this game. it's really awesome.
I was gonna say, it’s not a fighting game but it is fun af
This list was weird but War of the Monsters was amazing.
Dark stalkers 2 was very impressionable
MASSIVE ROSTER... nobody unlocked💀
See i have to dispute the whole "Guilty Gear is more mainstream than Blazblue." Strive is, but prior to that the Blazblue games historically sold a lot better than Guilty Gear. Prior to Strive, Guilty Gear was lucky to get to about 200K.
I remember when I was a teen when guilty gear was mostly niche compared to BlazBlue. Especially since the series was in some weird limbo due to licencing issues back then. I remember just watching gameplay back before xrd got released and got so hyped how good it looked.
I remember people going crazy at arcs adding a 3 frame buffer and accusing it of becoming a casual game just that 😂. Times have definitely changed.
Guilty gear I feel has better designed characters so I'm not exactly against this change.
Exactly, Guilty Gear probably *should've* been more mainstream, but the reality is people (especially outside of JP) kinda didn't know Guilty Gear existed until Xrd game out.
Or, at least, you were most likely already *very* into fighting games if you were aware of GG before... probably 2010-ish?
Compared to Blazblue which, for whatever reason, picked up a lot more people than GG ever did, at first anyway. Strive flipped that pattern obviously.
Watch Mojo is the first CZcams channel I ever unsubscribed from. Glad to see I'm not missing anything.
Like someone said earlier. We need your top 20 now 👍🤣
Wait a minute, it's called Fighterz? I've been calling it Fighter Zee! Why didn't someone tell me? Aw, i've been making an idiot of myself! **runs out of the room**
Indeed, I thought I was subscribed. You caught that one jm
Keep up the good work, man! Digging this type of content!
Part of me always hopes some of these lists will include Fighters Destiny 1 from the N64. I just want more people to know about that game lmao
9:53 " If your going to put a game on from BlazBlue, it should be Central Fiction"
Agreed, since "BlazBlue Central Fiction" is a game that is arguably just as complex as "Guilty Gear XRD Revelator," with the game like Revelator having legacy skill, meaning if you haven't stuck with the game since the original back in 2008 you have a MASSIVE hill to climb in learning frame data for each character's normals, gatlings, and overall mobility options that can be used on offense and neutral. Then there are the game's plentiful system mechanics, such as having a half a dozen options on defense that you need to master such as having four ways to block based on specific scenarios for example, and the game having a multitude of wake up options with each having a specific use, and that's not even going into the Drive mechanic, which is a unique action for each character, which there are OVER 35 of, which MOST of the cast plays VASTLY DIFFERENT from each other.
Mainline BlazBlue games were HUGE in japan, with it being popular in many Japanese arcades, and as Majin Obama stated in a podcast with Blasted Salami that the series had at one point been up there even with the almighty Tekken in terms of popularity. With many veterans like Dogura ( who is one of the best players in Guilty Gear who uses Slayer) and Fenrich ( who is arguably the best BB player, and currently one the best in DBFZ) representing the series for a long time . Sadly, The series just never took off over here in the west. However, the lack of popularity nationwide doesn't equate to the game's quality.The fact that is arguably the most unique AND complex 2D fighter on the market, but isn't talked about hardly at all in the west was always baffling to me. Especially when I read comments, and watch videos of people in the FGC complaining about how boring fighting games have gotten recently, or how easy it has become and yet will REFUSE to give the game a try. Thankfully, that seems to be changing, for instance Lord Knight, a tournament player who plays a variety of different fighting games recently made a fighting game tier list and put "BlazBlue Central Fiction" near the top, as well as popular Guilty Gear content creators like Majin Obama saying on blasted salami's podcast that "BlazBlue Central Fiction" is HARDER than Guilty Gear Xrd. For those who want to see high level game play in order to get a grasp of how hype this game can potentially be for you, I'd recommend a video titled "BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma Grand Finals - Evo 2014" on youtube, and while the game represented there is not Central Fiction, I think it works, since Central Fiction is more of an evolution of Chrono Phantasma any way. Other channel's include "Burst Recap" and "Jourdal" for more high level Japanese play.
Finally, BB TAG and mainline BlazBlue games are two SEPARATE things all together, with BBTAG having it's own set of rules with the system mechanics, and SIMPLIFYING ALL of the characters. It's for these reasons that you can't approach "BlazBlue Central Fiction" in the same way that you would BBTAG.
Ciompletely agree. Goddamn BB is awesome!!!
BBCF is absolutely beautiful and a ton of fun, just a shame that we never got an official dub like the previous games.
Dang the shade thrown at rival schools 8:18
Yo John, maybe you could consider making a personal top 10 or 20 fighting games?
You should make you own watchmojo style list video xD
Now we want you to make your top 30 or 50 best fighting games of all time
I want to see your top 20 fighting games!
my jaw dropped when i saw what they chose for #1
it would surprise me if anybody at watchmojo actually played the games they talk about🤣
Guilty gear for gb ds was lit. Bouncing from screen to screen with air combos was sick
Good shout out to the WatchMojo lady, her voice is so soothing that you probably wouldn't be able to pause the vid to comment on it :( Great stuff, jm!
2:31 I think you meant to say the Tenkaichi games, the Budokai games were relatively straightforward 3D fighters, like a less technical Tekken, Virtua Fighter, or Dead or Alive.
I'll NEVER understand why Tekken 3 and Tag 1 is not on PS Store.
Persona over Guilty Gear! I believe in Persona 4 Arena Supremacy!
I like this list more because it actually includes most of my favorites, P4AU, Darkstalkers, DOA, FFNY, etc but no +R is crazy
No Capcom Vs SNK 2 is absolutely insane.
Ik there's not much hype around it to warrant content rn but I'd love some P4U videos. The rollback update was the first time I picked up the game and of all the stuff out atm it's my favorite to mess around in. It's simplified without going as far as Strive, for example, in the streamlining.
Why does the B-Roll only contain coomer characters?
As a casual, KOF 13 was my favorite to watch. Yes cuz it looks awesome, but also because hype stuff happened in it. That speed up mechanic that let you perform super combos was niiice. To me it looked like the "just right" middle ground between the slow methodical footsies of SF4 and the crazyness of whatever guilty gear was out at the time
Surprised Virtua Fighter didnt make the list
no guilty gear in a list with whatever war of the monsters and project justice are is so insane to me
kind of surprised to not see 3rd strike on here but i guess sf2 is more important
Haha, I remember when Max covered this . The pain was real.
EDIT: Maybe that was an older list...now I'm confused...
Capcom Vs Snk NEEDS to be there
JM- I don't know if Power Stone's a fighting game
Me- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE A FIGHTING GAME!!
Lol I'm a traditional fighter and smash bros player... I also have a sweet spot for Power Stone. Lol Thinking about it, it may not have really been a fighting game... But in my 10 year old heart who could never afford a Dreamcast, it was THE fighting game 😂
I absolutely loved Power Stone 2, but I definitely never considered it a real fighting game. "Party game with fighting" was pretty much my go-to description just like in this video. The first game I did consider a fighter though, albeit an unorthodox one.
But I'm also someone that took a long time to consider the Smash games actual fighting games haha. They're definitely party game-y, but I've come around to the depth of their mechanics.
@@sadowolf Yeah, I feel that. I was more so referring to the first Power Stone. The second one got a bit wild lol
And I get it with Smash. It's definitely designed as a party game centered around fighting. Lol But within the community, the way we play it is definitely as a fighting game and not as a party game lol
Trying to put my boy that I used to play everything from Tekken to SF to Marvel with on to Melee for the first time after it got a spot at Evo was hilarious. He wasn't having it! Lol
@@Braillionaire Ah okay, yeah then we're on the same page with the first one haha. Loved the 2nd one but I wished it was more like the first.
Being exposed to the Smash community more is what brought me more on board with the idea that it's a legit fighting game. I was like oh snap so this game is deceptively deep haha. I never stayed interested in it long enough to really try and get the mechanics down, so anytime I play a good Smash player I get bodied 😂
@@sadowolf hahaha yeah bro. Smash is hard. Lol As a party game it's fun, but as a fighting game, the learning curve is steep. Lol
It's truly a game where you have to hit the lab before you can really do anything against any competent player...not even a good player, just a competent player lol Especially Melee, but the rest are difficult in different ways.
@@Braillionaire I gained mad respect for it when I got clapped in BRAWL by a friend who apparently isn't even all that good among Smash players haha.
As the King of Fighters Fan I have played each game of it and I'm good at it. KOF XIII is good in visual side but even with KOF XIII I didn't stop Playing KOF '98, KOF '98UM, KOF '02 and KOF '02UM. The same thing I did with KOF XI and KOF IX but when KOF X released I never comeback to older KOF games.
That list was all over the place, it felt like they googled “best fighting games” and then pulled a bunch of names at random
They really put "War of the monsters" over cvs2 , granblue , the last blade etc
I dont know...what if im watching this entire video...waiting for that GG rep to appear, and well...Thats their video problem, not yours, you did great, very enjoyable to watch your reactions 😄.
It's just a random list, there is no reason why this one is #7 and this one #4. That's WatchMojo, they take good things and do a random ranking.
5:55 Jim: "I think if you asked a bunch of people on the street, like, 'Hey, like what do you think is the best King of Fighters game?...,' I think most of them will say, 'I don't know what King of Fighters is...' but those who know will probably say XIII."
And you said that WatchMojo was shady about the Capcom comment, LOL...
It's stupid crazy that they don't have any of the guilty gears series or bloody roar but has something like power stone and that monster something on the 20th
My money is on that they are looking at BlazBlue and Guilty Gear as being the same series/game. That is the only way I could see the omission of GG with BB on the list. lol
Cool to hear someone else rep SC5
Since you're on this kick of big media channels talking about fighting games, you should check out the Polygon video on getting into fighting games (Hope I didn't miss it if you did, I tried to check for it)
Hey man, my comment might be buried, but I'd like you to do a video about the best FG music covers / remixes.
Dammmnn calln em out over here. Let em know jm lololol
Between you, Maximilian Dude, and Justin I've never felt more hyped about a fighting game as I do about SF6 coming
mais idle stance is very refined
*"Happiness is a warm fart."* - Confucius 😳
*"NUFF SAID"™️*
Both of these lists missed Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire, the most fun fighting game around.
5:59 WM knows that they should put Mai to show how good game is.
Why do you feel Def Jam counts more than Power Stone as a fighting game?
Def Jam: Fight for NY is honestly a banger of a game
3rd strike, sf alpha 2 and alpha 3..???
When is JMcrofts personal top 10 list?
5:54 this is sad but true 😭
It's crazy cause I used to watch Watchmojo like crazy, now I can barely sit through a video of theirs without rolling my eyes 😂
How is Power Stone 2 not a fighting game?
It’s just Ehrgeiz with better graphics.
JM disrespecting Power Stone…damn.
And War of the Monsters is just a 3D version of SNK’s King of the Monsters. Which is basically a wrestling game, but with Kaiju.
Glad mvc2 made the list over 3.
Imma go out on a limb and say...no. I use to write for them fools. And the ASRM lady's name is Rebecca and she's BAE tier.
I get down to some WatchMojo videos now and then, but I think a more valid video title could be Does "WatchMojo Know ANYTHING??"
Their lists are pretty consistently full of headscratchers 😂
Also I thought Guilty Gear and Virtua Fighter (and Capcom vs SNK for me personally) were some pretty major snubs. Smash is nowhere near my personal #1 but it's hugely popular and just a huge game so I get it.
I remember watching a couple Watchmojo lists about my favorite music genre and realizing pretty quickly that their lists are just popularity contests and safe, zero controversy takes. Their takes are so safe and mainstream they almost always backfire and people rag on them for being so predictable. Which is still interaction on their channel, so I guess they'll laugh all the way to the bank.
@@LordBaktor Exactly, they try to give the safest takes, which will always earn the ire of purists. But they know what they are, and it gets them a lot of engagement, which ultimately is what matters to them haha
The WatchMojo host name called Rebecca. I love her voice too
you should try war of the monsters, It's fun, a nice party game. Ther's a new game, similar to war of the monsters, I think it's called gigabash, I don't know if it's good, but the idea is there
It is good. Gigabash is a cross between War of the Monsters and King of the Monsters but with the 3D Brawler arena similar to Power Stone. The game did heavily improve by adding more single-player modes such as arcade mode, onslaught (survival mode but with the option to go co-op with a friend), mini-games that can now be played both offline and online, and 4 guest fighters: Godzilla, Gigan, Mecha Godzilla, and Destoryah. The game's mechanics feel smooth and the roster while small for now is diverse the following monsters have unique playstyles that work for some players. Luckily they confirm that there will be more future content.
soulcalibur vi is still a really good one. we just not getting new content, but it saved the series
Fight for New York was epic! 🙌🏿
I can't remember the name of that game 2D game it have a lion fighting with a sword
great content but i disagree with your take on power stone 2 not being a fighting game.