That has to be the most insightful and adult conversation you have ever featured Scott participate in. I am not sure I can handle the lack of sarcasm....
You can improve the driving feel of minivans, but you can't improve how the drivers feel about themselves. That's all it really boils down to. Driving a minivan alerts everyone that you have multiple children and probably a spouse, which makes you sexually undesirable. Driving a SUV/CUV gives you plausible deniability as to the children/spouse and allows you to make eyes with the attractive commuter in the lane next to you. "He probably needs that big vehicle to haul his speedboat every weekend, because he's wealthy and successful and has lots of leisure time," you hope she's saying to herself. That's the entire SUV vs. minivan argument. One is fantasy, the other is painful reality.
Super Like Post!! I don't however think it a painful reality, just a relaity. If a woman says she wants a family but will not "look cute" in a minivan... RUN!!! If you do have a family, especialy with 3 or more kids, there is no better vehilce out there.
I'm old and retired. My kids are grown, and my wife is in heaven. My hobby is renovating the old house, but my old hobby was 40 years of SCCA racing. Finally I have a vehicle to bring my sheetrock home from HD that is satisfying to drive.
What I would like to see is a woman who absolutely mandates she HAS to have a SUV drive a Pacifica for a few weeks and then get her opinion. Now, maybe it is because I live in Arkansas, but every woman I know absolutely HAS to have a SUV. When you mention mini van to them they absolutely state they CAN'T be see in a mini van. I don't get it at all. The reason I mention this is I have a friend who recently traded in her Jeep Liberty for a used Buick Enclave. The Enclave is freaking HUGE, but it has no space inside. I just don't get it. Also, most of these women also state the NEED at least 9 inches....I just don't have it.
Those women don't know that SUVs are already associated with soccer mom's. They basically want to hide their soccer mom lifestyle, by buying a vehicle that is a 'masked minivan', with ruined functionality.
Just picked up a 2020 because we needed more room. Traded in my jeep Cherokee and this is miles ahead. Pleasantly surprised on how well it drives and the fit and finish of it. Review is spot on!
Once you drive a minivan you will realize they are better cars then SUV. People buy SUVs because of looks. If I’m spending that much money I want a car that can do it all. Today’s minivans are very luxurious and have a lot of utility. You get s car and a truck in one vehicle. I have a minivan and love it.
@@darienmiller1032 4x4 van? I'm not familiar with any 4x4 vans. I do love the old ones they used to make. A van with a mild lift and some BFG's would do the trick.
I sold used cars at carmax for three years. I can count on one hand how many preowned minivans of any brand I sold to women under 45 years old. They could have 4 kids and only 18k to spend and would be looking for a tahoe with 120k miles on it before they got into a 2 year old dodge grand caravan. I'm not kidding it got to a point where I wouldn't even ask young families if they wanted a minivan, it was straight over to the cheapest crossover we could find them.
One observation I have to make. I work with a recently-divorced nurse with three young children, and for her, a big point of a recent purchasing decision between a crossover and a minivan was the availability of a three-person bench in the middle row, in which she could seat and reach all three children from the driver's seat. Now, I didn't know her at the time to update her (and for image reasons, it still probably wouldn't matter), but historically speaking, minivans have primarily had 2 passenger seats--a bench or captain's chairs--in the middle row, whereas SUV's/CUV's have typically had a three-person bench. Minivans are now more widely available with three-across seating in the middle, but if people like her don't know how minivans have changed--and have psychological reasons not to learn--then it becomes all the more obvious why people justify CUV purchases over minivans.
I'm pretty sure the reason people hate on minivans is that their parents had one. It's old and busted while truncated, useless 3-row crossovers are the new hotness.
I have to apologize to you guys - I have you crap for being too casual with previous videos but your rapport is too enjoyable to ignore - like a couple of sassy old men giving each other shit all the time. It's entertaining:)
The "Durongo" lol.....Minivans got a bad name because the vast majority of them when they first entered the market they were piles. Back when I was a broke dumbass kid, I could only afford to buy used Aerostars, Caravans, and Astrovans to haul around my kids that I had too early. No matter how well I drove and maintained them, they fell apart worse than the middle east. Minivans created so many hardships among my generation, I'm sure the hatred for them will last a lifetime. I know I'd be hard pressed to buy one no matter how well they made it.....Well, If a minivan came with an optional V8, 4WD and 35" mud tires I might consider it. As long as it also had windows. I wouldn't want to look like a rapist.....Oh and yeah, fuck crossovers.
Uh oh, why did I put sway bars & coilovers on my Previa then... =( I should point out that although I'm an "enthusiast" I do daily drive a minivan or 3 row suv (not a crossover, but will be getting one of those soon). with the prices we have now and the stagnated salaries in America, it's impossible to afford a practical car and a fun car, so my SUV basically has to do it all and then some. at least now without little kids I can switch out the van; but it's just going out for an MDX =/
I like cars. I have a 2010 Audi S5, V8, 6MT, a 1983 Delorean, 5MT, and 2015 VW Jetta (Auto). I only recently sold my 2002 Toyota MR2, 5MT. I also have a wife and 1 child thus far. As a car lover, I will choose a minivan over a CUV/SUV any day of the week. They are infinitely more useful in every conceivable way that matters day-to-day. In my opinion, CUVs and SUVs are the actual soul crushers I'd be embarrassed and depressed to drive or be seen in. Bland, boring, less useful, less practical, gas guzzlers with worse driving dynamics that are a absolute nightmare to actually use and park in populated areas compared to a minivan. And this may be an unpopular opinion, but it seems women don't care NEARLY as much as men think they do if a guy drives a minivan. If anything, it likely implies he's fertile AND has a healthy confidence in himself. "Dude can make babies and his baby-maker doesn't need compensating for..." At worst, I'd wager a woman thinks absolutely nothing about a guy driving a minivan versus a guy in a giant SUV. The SUV is probably more likely to incite a "douchebag" knee-jerk reaction. Just a guess. Point is, stop worrying what women think about the car you drive. 99.99% do not care as long as it's reliable and looks cared for.
I feel like these needs to be a bit longer. Ya'll talk about some good stuff, even if a lot of it is in jest. Just two dudes in a car going for a ride and talking.
They’re never going to rev it out to 7K RPMs… hahahaha… wait? I’m not supposed to do that? Or not as often as I do? The daughter would not be impressed
The reason women don't want Minivans is because they don't like their image as a soccer mom. They want to view themselves as outdoor explorers in their SUVs that never make it off the pavement.
Yet a SUV makes them look like the biggest soccer mum, it's more that minivans don't give a good connotation about yr self, all about being serious and shit, no fun
Denracer Chrysler is Chrysler. I recommend Sienna before they drop DI and cylinder deactivation in it. Get the good ones while you still can my friend.
What full size non luxury SUV looks better than the Pacifica or even the Sedona? The traverse? Pathfinder? Atlas? Pilot? Ascent? They all look worse than the Pacifica personally from a stylistic standpoint. Ground clearance on a minivan would just ruin their driving dynamics, plus it's really only useful offroad. Compromising a minivans on road performance to improve off road performance isn't a worthwhile trade off in my opinion.
well I'm just glad that you can see how great of a brand they are. My family and I have Mazdas and they are very reliable and fun vehicles. But I do understand that everyone has their own opinions.
I like all car brands there are certain models I don't necessarily care for in certain car brands but I dont have a brand i hate i mean it is his opinion at least he likes one mazda lol
They're not slow though, all of them are pushing 300 HP. They have more horsepower and outpace many SUVs/CUVs. And shit handling? Minivans handle FAR better than people give them credit for. Sure if your standard of handling are sports cars and super cars, the handling is subpar. But if you compare them to comparably sized non luxury crossovers and SUVs, they match and surpass them easily. The minivan body shaped is really well suited to good driving dynamics. They're more aerodynamic and suffer from less body roll than SUVs due to their lower center of gravity, which helps with stability through corners and winding roads. This misconception of minivans being slow and sloppy at handling in comparison to SUVs needs to die, because it's absolutely not the truth. Having driven both a Mazda 5 and a Toyota rav 4 (I'm learning to drive at the moment), and the mazda 5 blew the rav 4 out in terms of handing and cornering. Also, while a lot of minivans do look bad (so do a lot of SUVs), there are also a bunch of good looking ones. I think the aesthetics aspect is largely exaggerated in my opinion. The kia sedona and Chrysler Pacifica look fantastic, as does the 4th gen Odyssey. If you look at minivans outside of America, and in Asia for example, you'll find a extremely diverse and good looking set of minivans, which includes the Buick gl6 and gl8, geely Jiaji, trumpchi gm6, maxus g50, Honda Odyssey Mugen, Volkswagen viloran, etc
I personally like crossovers because they just look better (and in most cases - drive better). Mini vans are so overly utilitarian and ugly and I would lose any motivation to drive it just by looking at it
I don't know how anyone can look at a Volkswagen atlas or a Toyota highlander, and then a Chrysler Pacifica and a Kia Sedona and say to themselves the former looks "cooler and more badass" than the latter. The idea that all or even most crossovers look better than all or most minivans is just a bandwagon thats all too easy to hop on. Minivans worldwide, not just in the US have come a long way in regards to styling, and even moreso in handling and driving dynamics. If you compare a non luxury crossover and a comparably sized minivan, the minivan is most likely going to out handle the crossover. I experienced this first hand when I test drove a Mazda 5 and a rav 4, the Mazda 5 completely outclassed it the rav 4 in cornering and handling.
That has to be the most insightful and adult conversation you have ever featured Scott participate in. I am not sure I can handle the lack of sarcasm....
+Nicholas Chattaway wait until the focus video
+Nicholas Chattaway wait until the focus video
I can't wait.
Scott respects the minivan and its unabashed utility. Whereas the crossover is just a fashion statement that can't do anything right.
"I got some throat for ya"
I wish my wife would say that
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Best thing I've read all week, grats. Make that double.
Talk to this guy.
you married a woman that dosnt give you head? Tame that pussy bro.
You can improve the driving feel of minivans, but you can't improve how the drivers feel about themselves. That's all it really boils down to. Driving a minivan alerts everyone that you have multiple children and probably a spouse, which makes you sexually undesirable. Driving a SUV/CUV gives you plausible deniability as to the children/spouse and allows you to make eyes with the attractive commuter in the lane next to you. "He probably needs that big vehicle to haul his speedboat every weekend, because he's wealthy and successful and has lots of leisure time," you hope she's saying to herself. That's the entire SUV vs. minivan argument. One is fantasy, the other is painful reality.
+maninredhelm Your reply was nothing short of art!!!
This comments is worth reusing, I am going to apply it to every time I see a minivan. I drive a van myself.
Super Like Post!! I don't however think it a painful reality, just a relaity. If a woman says she wants a family but will not "look cute" in a minivan... RUN!!! If you do have a family, especialy with 3 or more kids, there is no better vehilce out there.
gtemnykh exactly considering most guys are shooting blanks these days and most women cannot have children.
I'm old and retired. My kids are grown, and my wife is in heaven. My hobby is renovating the old house, but my old hobby was 40 years of SCCA racing. Finally I have a vehicle to bring my sheetrock home from HD that is satisfying to drive.
What I would like to see is a woman who absolutely mandates she HAS to have a SUV drive a Pacifica for a few weeks and then get her opinion. Now, maybe it is because I live in Arkansas, but every woman I know absolutely HAS to have a SUV. When you mention mini van to them they absolutely state they CAN'T be see in a mini van. I don't get it at all. The reason I mention this is I have a friend who recently traded in her Jeep Liberty for a used Buick Enclave. The Enclave is freaking HUGE, but it has no space inside. I just don't get it. Also, most of these women also state the NEED at least 9 inches....I just don't have it.
Those women don't know that SUVs are already associated with soccer mom's. They basically want to hide their soccer mom lifestyle, by buying a vehicle that is a 'masked minivan', with ruined functionality.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 Trying to escape the soccer mom stigma by putting on a gray alien NPC suit.
Turbowski's got a nice package.
Just picked up a 2020 because we needed more room. Traded in my jeep Cherokee and this is miles ahead. Pleasantly surprised on how well it drives and the fit and finish of it. Review is spot on!
Once you drive a minivan you will realize they are better cars then SUV. People buy SUVs because of looks. If I’m spending that much money I want a car that can do it all. Today’s minivans are very luxurious and have a lot of utility. You get s car and a truck in one vehicle. I have a minivan and love it.
A decent 4wd SUV will get me to the fishing spots no minivan can. I would imagine towing capacity would be more limited as well.
@@darkglobestudio4791 True, but 4x4 vans exist that can do nearly the same kind of off-road as 4x4 SUVs.
@@darienmiller1032 4x4 van? I'm not familiar with any 4x4 vans. I do love the old ones they used to make. A van with a mild lift and some BFG's would do the trick.
"Bad car Bad driver" Wiser words have never been spoken!
We need more Turbowski!! :) He needs his own channel :P
I sold used cars at carmax for three years. I can count on one hand how many preowned minivans of any brand I sold to women under 45 years old. They could have 4 kids and only 18k to spend and would be looking for a tahoe with 120k miles on it before they got into a 2 year old dodge grand caravan. I'm not kidding it got to a point where I wouldn't even ask young families if they wanted a minivan, it was straight over to the cheapest crossover we could find them.
Turbowski is soooo fine. Does he know he has so many fans? He looks amazing in blue...
One observation I have to make. I work with a recently-divorced nurse with three young children, and for her, a big point of a recent purchasing decision between a crossover and a minivan was the availability of a three-person bench in the middle row, in which she could seat and reach all three children from the driver's seat. Now, I didn't know her at the time to update her (and for image reasons, it still probably wouldn't matter), but historically speaking, minivans have primarily had 2 passenger seats--a bench or captain's chairs--in the middle row, whereas SUV's/CUV's have typically had a three-person bench. Minivans are now more widely available with three-across seating in the middle, but if people like her don't know how minivans have changed--and have psychological reasons not to learn--then it becomes all the more obvious why people justify CUV purchases over minivans.
Your videos are so good even the heroes won't even dare to flag them.
feels like im driving a miata lol
I'd probably just sit at work and liten to you two talk about cars all day. keep up the good work. Enjoyed the vid
Josh *
Mr. Geese - talking about minivans: Two in the front, five in the back (advanced edition shocker) 😉
I'm pretty sure the reason people hate on minivans is that their parents had one. It's old and busted while truncated, useless 3-row crossovers are the new hotness.
Lucky for me we didn't have a mini van. We had the equivalent to the modern day 3 row soccer mom SUV, a station wagon.
I have to apologize to you guys - I have you crap for being too casual with previous videos but your rapport is too enjoyable to ignore - like a couple of sassy old men giving each other shit all the time. It's entertaining:)
Scott demonstrates the perfect driving position. Ideal in every way. :)
I'm always yelling at Leroy in the back.
Buddy of mine had a mid-00s TC with over 258,000 miles.
"6000K bulbs? I'm rolling 8000K." "You like it purple, then?" Scott knows his black body radiation
3:40 Dude, I overclock my halogens to over 9K. This new lighting tech is for NOSkillerz.
Love these y'all are fucking funny as fuck
The "Durongo" lol.....Minivans got a bad name because the vast majority of them when they first entered the market they were piles. Back when I was a broke dumbass kid, I could only afford to buy used Aerostars, Caravans, and Astrovans to haul around my kids that I had too early. No matter how well I drove and maintained them, they fell apart worse than the middle east. Minivans created so many hardships among my generation, I'm sure the hatred for them will last a lifetime. I know I'd be hard pressed to buy one no matter how well they made it.....Well, If a minivan came with an optional V8, 4WD and 35" mud tires I might consider it. As long as it also had windows. I wouldn't want to look like a rapist.....Oh and yeah, fuck crossovers.
Uh oh, why did I put sway bars & coilovers on my Previa then... =(
I should point out that although I'm an "enthusiast" I do daily drive a minivan or 3 row suv (not a crossover, but will be getting one of those soon). with the prices we have now and the stagnated salaries in America, it's impossible to afford a practical car and a fun car, so my SUV basically has to do it all and then some. at least now without little kids I can switch out the van; but it's just going out for an MDX =/
I like cars. I have a 2010 Audi S5, V8, 6MT, a 1983 Delorean, 5MT, and 2015 VW Jetta (Auto). I only recently sold my 2002 Toyota MR2, 5MT.
I also have a wife and 1 child thus far. As a car lover, I will choose a minivan over a CUV/SUV any day of the week. They are infinitely more useful in every conceivable way that matters day-to-day.
In my opinion, CUVs and SUVs are the actual soul crushers I'd be embarrassed and depressed to drive or be seen in. Bland, boring, less useful, less practical, gas guzzlers with worse driving dynamics that are a absolute nightmare to actually use and park in populated areas compared to a minivan.
And this may be an unpopular opinion, but it seems women don't care NEARLY as much as men think they do if a guy drives a minivan. If anything, it likely implies he's fertile AND has a healthy confidence in himself. "Dude can make babies and his baby-maker doesn't need compensating for..."
At worst, I'd wager a woman thinks absolutely nothing about a guy driving a minivan versus a guy in a giant SUV. The SUV is probably more likely to incite a "douchebag" knee-jerk reaction. Just a guess. Point is, stop worrying what women think about the car you drive. 99.99% do not care as long as it's reliable and looks cared for.
i get stiffies when theres commentary from turbowski
a genuinely good video
i turn the seat heaters on in every car now. thanks scott
I feel like these needs to be a bit longer. Ya'll talk about some good stuff, even if a lot of it is in jest.
Just two dudes in a car going for a ride and talking.
What's with Turbowski's ballet pose at the beginning of the video? I was disappointed that you edited out his dance.That would have been the video!
Man, I freakin' LOVE you guys! Throw some sway bars on a Pacifica....LMFAO
I am very exited to see the review of the 2017 Kia Cadenza. Will we see it any soon??
Thanks alot.
+ghosts12333 Yes in next few months
Los Angeles to Wyoming is a Pacifica and 33mpg
And the classic minivan owner doesn't keep up with maintenance, usually not till something breaks.
why does it sound so good
Seatheater wars :D Throwback to Top Gear.
Turbowski is Jason Grilli's twin brother
Does the Pacifica come as a PHEV? Have you tried it?
They’re never going to rev it out to 7K RPMs… hahahaha… wait? I’m not supposed to do that? Or not as often as I do? The daughter would not be impressed
The reason women don't want Minivans is because they don't like their image as a soccer mom. They want to view themselves as outdoor explorers in their SUVs that never make it off the pavement.
Yet a SUV makes them look like the biggest soccer mum, it's more that minivans don't give a good connotation about yr self, all about being serious and shit, no fun
Needs a ripp twin turbo and AWD and nos
How often do you guys get pulled over for looking suspicious?
Good stuff
Turbowski is Kurt Busch
Better than being called Kyle Busch
That is GOLD !
I'm surprised that it didn't break down during filming...
God scott is epic in the funniest of ways.
LOL! Turbowski...so funny! :)
so is the Pacifica the best family van money can buy right now? The only thing I'm concern is the reliability that Chrysler lack in the 200
I agree but as a "new" unit it's shockingly nice.
i agree 👍
Denracer Chrysler is Chrysler. I recommend Sienna before they drop DI and cylinder deactivation in it. Get the good ones while you still can my friend.
Denracer Buy the Pacifica. Worth the money. The Pacifica blows the new Honda Odyssey out of the water and the Sienna is not worth the money.
Bwahahaaha, this is pure entertainment!
Turbowski sound Polish name
Japan is people priorities first coz of realibilty
the title made me think it was a porn at first.
It's not porn? I slung a wad in the first two minutes.
nilphuxgiven 😂😂😂
Please allow swearing
Wtf wants a Chrysler?
*crickets*
While the minivan disappoints, Turbowski does not.
"Bad car, bad driver." Totally true. I've noticed the craziest MFs on the road are always in older Mopar vehicles.
What's the ground clearance of mini vans ? SUVs have a higher ground clearance and I'm sorry just looks better
Most "SUVs" don't have higher ground clearance than Pacifica.
What full size non luxury SUV looks better than the Pacifica or even the Sedona? The traverse? Pathfinder? Atlas? Pilot? Ascent? They all look worse than the Pacifica personally from a stylistic standpoint. Ground clearance on a minivan would just ruin their driving dynamics, plus it's really only useful offroad. Compromising a minivans on road performance to improve off road performance isn't a worthwhile trade off in my opinion.
FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLuA I bet you scream that when you fuck too.
Idk why Turbowski always had to rip on Mazda, Mazda makes great cars.
+Tom Drew Just a brand bias for him. Balances out the fact I love them.
well I'm just glad that you can see how great of a brand they are. My family and I have Mazdas and they are very reliable and fun vehicles. But I do understand that everyone has their own opinions.
+Tom Drew I am sure some car brands you just dont like, no matter what? He does like the ND Miata though.
I like all car brands there are certain models I don't necessarily care for in certain car brands but I dont have a brand i hate i mean it is his opinion at least he likes one mazda lol
Why do you care?
People hate minivans because they're slow, they handle like shit, and they look bad. Those are the reasons
They're not slow though, all of them are pushing 300 HP. They have more horsepower and outpace many SUVs/CUVs. And shit handling? Minivans handle FAR better than people give them credit for. Sure if your standard of handling are sports cars and super cars, the handling is subpar. But if you compare them to comparably sized non luxury crossovers and SUVs, they match and surpass them easily. The minivan body shaped is really well suited to good driving dynamics. They're more aerodynamic and suffer from less body roll than SUVs due to their lower center of gravity, which helps with stability through corners and winding roads.
This misconception of minivans being slow and sloppy at handling in comparison to SUVs needs to die, because it's absolutely not the truth. Having driven both a Mazda 5 and a Toyota rav 4 (I'm learning to drive at the moment), and the mazda 5 blew the rav 4 out in terms of handing and cornering.
Also, while a lot of minivans do look bad (so do a lot of SUVs), there are also a bunch of good looking ones. I think the aesthetics aspect is largely exaggerated in my opinion. The kia sedona and Chrysler Pacifica look fantastic, as does the 4th gen Odyssey. If you look at minivans outside of America, and in Asia for example, you'll find a extremely diverse and good looking set of minivans, which includes the Buick gl6 and gl8, geely Jiaji, trumpchi gm6, maxus g50, Honda Odyssey Mugen, Volkswagen viloran, etc
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That's not how you say durango.
I personally like crossovers because they just look better (and in most cases - drive better). Mini vans are so overly utilitarian and ugly and I would lose any motivation to drive it just by looking at it
First thing: Pacifica is not ugly, just look at it. Second thing: Most SUVs drive worse than this minivan. It's because of higher ground clearance.
And also most of SUVs are just 'masked and compromised' minivans that try to not look like a minivans, compromising space and usability.
I don't know how anyone can look at a Volkswagen atlas or a Toyota highlander, and then a Chrysler Pacifica and a Kia Sedona and say to themselves the former looks "cooler and more badass" than the latter. The idea that all or even most crossovers look better than all or most minivans is just a bandwagon thats all too easy to hop on. Minivans worldwide, not just in the US have come a long way in regards to styling, and even moreso in handling and driving dynamics. If you compare a non luxury crossover and a comparably sized minivan, the minivan is most likely going to out handle the crossover. I experienced this first hand when I test drove a Mazda 5 and a rav 4, the Mazda 5 completely outclassed it the rav 4 in cornering and handling.