Doc, I tell ya, when life feels overwhelming, I turn you on and your calm voice and attempt to rationally explain why these awful things happen helps me feel like things are less overwhelming and terrifying. Thanks for that.
@@nocnoc9931 I know, it's so hard to find a therapist to connect with. I tried four before I found my wonderful one. A friend of mine tried 7, she said, before she found one she really connected with.
I used to camp at Starved rock in the 1980's and got to know a farmer very well. One time while visiting, he told me about the Starved rock murders and how he thought Chester was innocent. I don't remember all the reasons since that was 30 years ago, but one detail always stuck out. He told me that Chester's family was dirt poor and that after Chester's conviction, his family was suddenly flush with cash. Everyone noticed because suddenly they had new cars and other obvious new things. I'm not sure what that says about the case, but the farmer was certain that the family was paid off by the real killer(s), which he suspected would be traced back to the three husbands of the three of ladies killed. I didn't know that there was a documentary so ill have to watch it.
I was an intern ranger at Starved Rock! I only heard a little bit about the murders, so it's interesting to hear a more in depth story. I think you can still buy a book at the visitor center about the murders, but I'm not too sure. It's a beautiful place to hike, so if you decide to go please respect the rules of the park for the wildlifes' sake. Thank you for all of your work in your videos. I enjoy listening to them!
Yes things have definitely changed their when I worked at the lodge and high School in the 80s I was told if anybody ever asked about the murders you tell them you don't know anything about it it's bad for business. Now they're selling the books in the gift shop
If you work there as a intern ranger then you probably are well aware that people die out at that State Park every year from wandering off of the trails in falling into the canyons. I'm sure that happened once or twice when you were working out there. It's another thing they keep hush hush unfortunately. I was told by a ranger if people actually knew how many people died out there every year they would be amazed
@@Tbass-yy8uc yes! A few people die every year out here. The rocks are made of St. Peter sandstone and crumbles very easily/is super slick. I had a friend in college who was at the base of Wildcat Canyon when someone fell from the top to their death. They decided to to hop the barrier to take pictures....that's a 90 foot drop :(
Please cover the African man Ota Benga who was taken from the Congo back in the early 1900s and put on display in a cage at the Bronx Zoo. Apparently a group of Christians worked to have him set free. His story is a very tragic one.
Great suggestion. I would like to piggy back off that request and also suggest covering King Leopold II of Belgium - owner of the "Congo Free State," possibly the single worst person in the entire "Scramble for Africa" colonial era, whose actions led directly to the fate that befell Ota and his family. The Congo Free State was effectively one of the largest slave camps in human history.
Dr. Grande - how about doing a video on Francesco Schettino, the Captain of the Costa Concordia, who negligently wrecked the ship causing 32 deaths, then was one of the first people to hop in a life boat and abandon ship. An alternative would be Captain Lee Joon-Seok, responsible for the MV Sewol sinking, which cost over 300 lives as he abandoned ship. The psyche going on with ship captains who create a mass disaster and immediately abandon everyone to save themselves is certainly interesting, and frankly hard to understand.
You'd hope today someone assaulting as young as age 12 would then be monitored but it seems our crime and judicial systems still continue to fail...! Thanks for such a great analysis, hoping you and everyone are able to have a lovely Christmas 💜
They were even worse, back then. Sometimes an assailant like this would just get thrown out of the city/town. Where they'd just do it again somewhere else. smh.
@@dffndjdjd Exactly. They also didn't want the town or city to get a bad rep. Even with a confession, they didn't take most of these crimes seriously. In the 60's, my aunt was moles**d by a neighbor. He was found guilty and had to pay a fine, and move out of the county and never come back. Of course, he just did the same in the county he moved to. Sad.
I grew up in Central Illinois. I have been to Starved Rock several times. I remember hearing about the murders and I have read about the incident in the past. I really appreciate your analysis.
This was relatively local to me, but oddly I'd never heard of it. Starved Rock is a beautiful hike, though. If you go after a heavy rain, there's a beautiful waterfall to splash in.
There's more than one canyon that has a waterfall if you know the park and what canyons to go into. Personally LaSalle canyon has the nicest but it's quite a hike to get to it
Brilliant analysis Dr Grande. I've never heard of this case. But he saw the red and white plane , plus the scratches and the teenagers. I believe he was guilty. What I find amoral, is the DA and the police spilting the reward money. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and topic.
Agreed. Plus he kept changing his story. Already capable of taking at only 12 to boot. I think it’s possible he had an accomplice but he can’t rat them out without ratting himself out too.
How the heck did I not hear about this?? I have lived within 40 minutes of Starved Rock my entire life! Guess I can just rely on Dr. Grande to fill me in.
First time I hear a full "hello" in the beginning sequence! Most of the time it is something like a "Low" or "Oh, this is...!" 😉 I have to celebrate this, cheers! 🥂 🙂
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Been to Starved Rock several times, when younger with my family and as a young adult with friends. One time with friends we went off trail and hiked up and down the canyons for hours, never getting tired...I actually felt stronger. Back at camp later another camper told us the Indians that lived in the area in the past considered it a spiritual place, a place of energy. I know all us guys hiking and climbing that day felt energized. I read about this case several years ago and was surprised that I had never heard about it before considering my association to Starved Rock. How it got the name "Starved Rock" is another story...a story about Indians
@@markspitzok3064 I don't remember which tribes and the story has been all but erased at their new visitors center. They focus on generic native American artifacts and interactions with French traders and explorers instead. I'm sure that some older books will have the original info if I can find some
@@neorev01 I remember being told by park rangers at the time...mid 1960's, I was a child. The Indians were being forced off their land by settlers and battles were occurring...so the US army got involved. The Indians retreated to their sacried land and eventually ended up at the top of Starved Rock, surrounded by the US army...and were Starved to death cuz they wouldn't surrender. Didn't have reservations than, they wanted the Indians to move out...further west. Indians said, this is our land and started fighting the settlers. I'm almost sure it was the Illinois Indian tribe.
Very interesting case. Your analysis motivated me to watch the documentary. These were truly horrific murders of three innocent women who were just trying to do some bird watching, really sad.💔🥺 Great analysis as usual, thank you Dr. Grande.❤️
HI Dr.G, huge appreciation for all your hard work, a huge fan for a couple years, since summer2019. Going thru family betrayal tons of drama, thank you for helping to save my fragile sanity. Take good care of yourself we need you.
When not paying close attention to your sneak attack quips, eye popping comments, and especially your dry, hilarious jokes they're really missing out. You Dr. Grande are a card!
I wonder if Dr.Grande is working on an interestingly hilarious Christmas video at this very moment? Last year's was EPIC! 😁 (You are, aren't you, you stealthy elf, you?) 🎄🎉🎁
@@mrs.reluctant4095 There's usually more mystery to them. And a lot more real detective work. Not all DNA and camera footage. I think detective skills were a lot better back then. Happy Holidays to you, Mrs. R, and a great new year! ❤ 🎄🎁🎉🎊
I love the old cases! More detective work back then. Now It's a lot of DNA and video evidence. You had to be a better investigator way back. Happy Holidays to you, Zena! 🌷❤❤
I don't know why but I agree with others that old cases are very interesting! Maybe because, if they are still talked about after such a long time, they must be curious!
Doctor, have you ever thought about covering our case of the "Rothenburger cannibal". I think it is, how can I put this, of an internationally considerable standard. You know what I mean. It fits your channel, doctor.
Oh yes, that is the guy cutting the "Wiener" of his victim "sclice by sclice". He seasoned and cooked it and they ate it together. BRRRRR - there are Interviews with him.
Yes, I was thinking DNA through most of your analysis. That will be a really good thing. It is difficult to imagine how he took down three grown women at one time. Maybe there was a gun involved that was never fired.
Yes he did have a rifle with him when he raped the teenage girl. I'm not sure about DNA. You got to understand in the 60s there was no such thing. So all the evidence just got thrown into one bag and mixed up. And there were a lot of people handling it over the years.
This was a great explanation of the case. Agree, the documentary was too entertaining to be an effective learning tool for the viewer. Agree, there had to be an accomplice. I don't buy the whole "threaten with a tree branch" thing at all. What is he, the Incredible Hulk? He pulls off a tree limb and waves it around. You are not going to pick up some random piece of dead fallen tree, that is going to work as a weapon.
A found walking stick. Often times I have gone on walks with people who think as we go deeper into the woods a found stick will defend them against a four legged critter, (typically a bear). Since it was near a cave it was probably a cut piece for a fire at a camp.
@@john-paulsilke893 Excellent theory. The whole scene is just awkward, I can imagine holding 3 people as prisoner with a gun, but with a stick? Wouldn't the 3 just reason that while one is going to take a beating, at least 1 of the other 2 can get to help, or far enough that screams would be heard. I just don't see 3 adults surrendering to one stick. Thanks..
My parents and I vacationed in Starved Rock, at a lodge where one could stay in the main building or have an entire small log cabin to oneself...we had the log cabin and lovely nature hikes in the area under the guidance of a great leader who during the rest of the year was a teacher in a local school. We returned the following year and I have always looked back with nostalgia to those delightful summer vacations...the year was 1942!!!
I love all your videos, but remember…these documentaries are made to get views. The filmmakers job is to create a film he can sell. No network would buy it, if it wasn’t full of extra garbage to keep you watching. Added drama is what these documentaries are all about (regardless of how manufactured it is.)
I from Lasalle IL. My Mom was reading a lot about the story at the time. My mom had many younger sisters and brother. She said his children were picked on in school on very often after the story had been in the news. Something else, I am kind of a heavy myself. My mom said these women were pretty big, these women could of took him very easily. She said the Weger guy was pretty thin of a guy not strong looking at all. She had been an acquaintance of his.
@@maureen6907 Speck attacked at night. Speck restrained his victims one by one, moving from room to room, waking each woman one at a time. The fact that happened indoors too - interior crime scenes are far easier to control than exterior. The only way a lone assailant could have controlled the scene, surprising 3 robust & healthy women in a broad canyon is if he had a gun. No gun was ever mentioned in connection to this crime. The two crimes aren't comparable.
Dr Grande, you said something both interesting and troubling in this video. It was about how at the time the confession was acceptable and admissible then but wouldn’t be today. This is a very short period of time. Have you considered how the zeitgeist changes over time in law? In the 1500’s you could be hanged for stealing a chicken, but today it’s hardly a misdemeanour. Over long spans of time it’s understandable, but this has happened in my lifetime. I think it’s a very interesting phenomenon, the changing zeitgeist of justice over perceptible time.
If this crime had been committed today, I do think the confession would not have the same significance for his conviction. DNA evidence and crime scene investigative techniques have come a long way in the past 50-60 years in determining the guilt or innocence of the accused.
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I have never heard of this case. I've been to Starved Rock numerous times and I live near Riverside. Thank you for bringing this up. I'm new to this channel and have been enjoying what your perspective is on people and cases.
I don't know...so many have been found guilty and executed on far less so called circumstantial evidence than what was available in this case. I would have had no problem saying Guilty based on the evidence either then or now, the recanting would not bother me. He was also embarrassed about the sexual nature of the crime so had to lie and say it was robbery. Those poor ladies. Can't go anywhere just to enjoy nature without being on your guard against violent crazy people.
A very tiny little zebra in the box. 😆 Btw: BigZebra, I can't seem to reply to you directly for some reason. My comment just disappears! Maybe you inadvertently 'muted' me? I did that a few times myself. Had to go back and unmute them. 😮 EDIT: Yes, I've checked. It appears I have been 'muted', my friend. 😢 Think you can fix it? ❤
I think it's highly possible that only one man could carry out a crime against three women, especially given the decade that the crime occurred in. In general women acted and behaved more submissive and coercing three "proper ladies" doesn't seem impossible at all. I don't know if it was Chester or not but he could have easily grabbed one of the women and threatened harm to her if the other two did not comply. I think it's less likely more than one person committed the crime of murder at a time 🤷♀️
Oh please!! Do you think the 3 of them just stood there passively while he murdered them one by one? People will fight to live and the "decade" has zero to do with it. These are human beings, not cattle waiting to be slaughtered.
I lived around Starved Rock from 1969 to 1995. Spent alot of time there and at Mathusulam(spelled wrong) Park. Beautiful places. You should tell the history of Starved Rock and how it got it's name.
Agree Dr. Grande that Weger was involved. Not sure about justifying a sixty year term with reasonable doubt. Thank you for choices presented. Poirot could have a field day! Holiday Cheer Dr. G.
@@LDiamondz I'm the one who wants a title for the mega fans of a page. Like on Fundie Friday they are called "Jenninites" and fans of That Chapter are the "Goo Crew". So... What are Dr. Grande groupies?lol
@@ChantalOfTheNorth I love That Chapter, too! I didn't even know there was a fan page. I guess I don't stick around much. For Dr.Grande, a few ideas floated around a while back. People liked Hot Toddies and Grande-ositiy Gang. What ideas do you have? I got nothing. Hot Toddies is funny, though!
@@LDiamondz oh man I love them both. I think Hot Toddies is adorable but I could see some people having an issue with it. Hmm. I'm not creative 😂😂😂. Imma do some thinking.
Well, I hear about this case alot. I live in Illinois and my family runs the spirit of Peoria river boat ( my cousin, she's the captain). I believe the cops are crooked in Illinois. I once got busted smoking pot at a local park and the cop called my uncle instead of my mom bc he knew him. My dad was an Sgt. With the county and received a traumatic brain injury on the job and was in rehabilitation. The copper who arrested me ( he never charged me) called me the devil for smoking the devil's lettuce. It was 1994 or five, it's not like it was 1929 refer madness! 🤣 Thanks doctor.
Very interesting, as usual. Thanks Dr. Grande. Request: Have you had any experience in therapy for depression using Extracranial Electrical Brain Stimulation? Both that and EM Brain Stimulation seem to have high rates of positive results for those with depression and even for other conditions, like Bipolar. The time for positive results, as short as a few sessions, with an inexpensive device, with essentially no risky side effects, seems very hopeful for what has been measured as the ailment affecting more people than any other, currently. 12-23-2021
I live in LaSalle County near Starved Rock. I grew up hearing about this story and seeing he was up for parole every year. There was a local thug "Smoky Wrona" who was thought to have possibly done this. Supposedly he confessed the murders to his sister on his deathbed. You can see the video of Smoky's sister talking about it on CZcams, Alice Wrona talks about her brother's role in the Starved Rock Murders. It will be interesting to see what the DNA evidence yields. I hope it is something definite.
Doctor would you please cover two stories I read about years ago but never heard of before and not much since. 1-H H Holmes and the Murder Castle took place during the Chicago Worlds Fair. But he had been practicing his craft of murder for years prior. 2-Ed Gein the Butcher of Plainfield aka The Plainfield Ghoul Thank you for your consideration and Merry Christmas to you and yours. 🎄 🎁
Dr Grande is badass. He clearly has strong political beliefs but is very careful about keeping these opinions close to his heart. He clearly has disdain for the current and previous administrations and possibly more. However he absolutely gives credit where credit is due and defends the defensible of these disreputable people and even their spouses. It’s very refreshing and his sardonic wit is dry and hilarious.
Doc, I tell ya, when life feels overwhelming, I turn you on and your calm voice and attempt to rationally explain why these awful things happen helps me feel like things are less overwhelming and terrifying. Thanks for that.
Seriously! Me too (: I listen to to Dr Grande in the mornings on the way to work on the way home.
It’d be nice if he could predict and prevent some of this madness
The comments are very well said. Thank You All.
I feel the same. When my life feels confusing and exhausting, Dr. Grande is my refuge, an oasis of calm and logic, in a beautiful shirt.
@@nocnoc9931 I know, it's so hard to find a therapist to connect with. I tried four before I found my wonderful one. A friend of mine tried 7, she said, before she found one she really connected with.
Grande is always showing us how to weigh and measure the facts. We need the knowledge. Thank you, as always.
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Those poor ladies who thought they’d be safe wandering around bird watching. Geez
Unfortunately, they only managed to spy a future jailbird.
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Dr. Grande is the most consistent content creator on this platform lol everytime I open CZcams I see a new video lol
I won't deny that he's extremely prolific but I suggest you investigate the family of channels hosted by Simon Whistler.
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I used to camp at Starved rock in the 1980's and got to know a farmer very well. One time while visiting, he told me about the Starved rock murders and how he thought Chester was innocent. I don't remember all the reasons since that was 30 years ago, but one detail always stuck out. He told me that Chester's family was dirt poor and that after Chester's conviction, his family was suddenly flush with cash. Everyone noticed because suddenly they had new cars and other obvious new things. I'm not sure what that says about the case, but the farmer was certain that the family was paid off by the real killer(s), which he suspected would be traced back to the three husbands of the three of ladies killed. I didn't know that there was a documentary so ill have to watch it.
Chester's story kept changing, an innocent person doesn't change their story, he was involved somehow!
Really?
Gimmee a break!
@@tamijones5317 Innocent person's story indeed WILL change because he doesent know how those murders were done!! You are so blood lusting and DUMB.
Dr. Grande, you’re about to reach the big 1 mil! Well deserved!
I was an intern ranger at Starved Rock! I only heard a little bit about the murders, so it's interesting to hear a more in depth story. I think you can still buy a book at the visitor center about the murders, but I'm not too sure. It's a beautiful place to hike, so if you decide to go please respect the rules of the park for the wildlifes' sake. Thank you for all of your work in your videos. I enjoy listening to them!
You should be saying, "Watch Your Back" when hiking!!!😳
Yes things have definitely changed their when I worked at the lodge and high School in the 80s I was told if anybody ever asked about the murders you tell them you don't know anything about it it's bad for business. Now they're selling the books in the gift shop
If you work there as a intern ranger then you probably are well aware that people die out at that State Park every year from wandering off of the trails in falling into the canyons. I'm sure that happened once or twice when you were working out there. It's another thing they keep hush hush unfortunately. I was told by a ranger if people actually knew how many people died out there every year they would be amazed
@@Tbass-yy8uc yes! A few people die every year out here. The rocks are made of St. Peter sandstone and crumbles very easily/is super slick. I had a friend in college who was at the base of Wildcat Canyon when someone fell from the top to their death. They decided to to hop the barrier to take pictures....that's a 90 foot drop :(
Please cover the African man Ota Benga who was taken from the Congo back in the early 1900s and put on display in a cage at the Bronx Zoo. Apparently a group of Christians worked to have him set free. His story is a very tragic one.
Great suggestion. I would like to piggy back off that request and also suggest covering King Leopold II of Belgium - owner of the "Congo Free State," possibly the single worst person in the entire "Scramble for Africa" colonial era, whose actions led directly to the fate that befell Ota and his family. The Congo Free State was effectively one of the largest slave camps in human history.
@@chad3232132 I'm on board with this! Hope this goes through!
Congolese man
@@nomad155 And if Dr. Grande is reading this, the documentary King Leopold's Ghost can be viewed on CZcams for free.
reminds me of that Black Mirror episode. Can't remember the name of it.
Dr. Grande - how about doing a video on Francesco Schettino, the Captain of the Costa Concordia, who negligently wrecked the ship causing 32 deaths, then was one of the first people to hop in a life boat and abandon ship.
An alternative would be Captain Lee Joon-Seok, responsible for the MV Sewol sinking, which cost over 300 lives as he abandoned ship. The psyche going on with ship captains who create a mass disaster and immediately abandon everyone to save themselves is certainly interesting, and frankly hard to understand.
Kind of like the book "Lord Jim" by Joseph Conrad
This is where I live! Heard the story a million times but love hearing it again from one of your favorite you tubers! Merry Christmas! 🎄
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You'd hope today someone assaulting as young as age 12 would then be monitored but it seems our crime and judicial systems still continue to fail...! Thanks for such a great analysis, hoping you and everyone are able to have a lovely Christmas 💜
They were even worse, back then. Sometimes an assailant like this would just get thrown out of the city/town. Where they'd just do it again somewhere else. smh.
@@dffndjdjd Exactly. They also didn't want the town or city to get a bad rep. Even with a confession, they didn't take most of these crimes seriously. In the 60's, my aunt was moles**d by a neighbor. He was found guilty and had to pay a fine, and move out of the county and never come back. Of course, he just did the same in the county he moved to. Sad.
Had he assaulted a cop he'd be dead or in jail for life
I grew up in Central Illinois. I have been to Starved Rock several times. I remember hearing about the murders and I have read about the incident in the past. I really appreciate your analysis.
This was relatively local to me, but oddly I'd never heard of it.
Starved Rock is a beautiful hike, though. If you go after a heavy rain, there's a beautiful waterfall to splash in.
There's more than one canyon that has a waterfall if you know the park and what canyons to go into. Personally LaSalle canyon has the nicest but it's quite a hike to get to it
I learned more about the case from Dr. Grande than from the actual documentary.
Brilliant analysis Dr Grande. I've never heard of this case. But he saw the red and white plane , plus the scratches and the teenagers. I believe he was guilty. What I find amoral, is the DA and the police spilting the reward money. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and topic.
And the fact that an innocent person doesn't change their story, he was involved somehow!
Agreed. Plus he kept changing his story. Already capable of taking at only 12 to boot. I think it’s possible he had an accomplice but he can’t rat them out without ratting himself out too.
@@alleycat616 Very possibly!
How the heck did I not hear about this?? I have lived within 40 minutes of Starved Rock my entire life! Guess I can just rely on Dr. Grande to fill me in.
Nice try covering your tracks but I now
suspect you were involved in this crime.
@@ccdogpark 😂😂😂
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I love your festive shirt.🌲.
Looking forward to listening to this analysis.
I can't get enough of these videos! I may have to rethink my occupation as viewing Dr. Grandes Analysis'.
First time I hear a full "hello" in the beginning sequence! Most of the time it is something like a "Low" or "Oh, this is...!" 😉 I have to celebrate this, cheers! 🥂 🙂
Great! I'll go get some champagne! 😁
@@LDiamondz hahaha 😂 🥂
Hi Mrs. R - What would We do without the good doctor's channel? He provides us with thoughtful content and fun shirts and moving cacti EVERY day! During this holiday season it is especially obvious that We wish him the very best!
@@mrs.reluctant4095 Prost! 🍸🍸🍾 😆
@@bthomson Oh, Yes! We wish him the very best! You, too! Happy Holidays, and cheers to you, B! 🍻
Yay! Thanks, Dr. Grande! I hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday season!
Was waiting for this,good one.
Been to Starved Rock several times, when younger with my family and as a young adult with friends.
One time with friends we went off trail and hiked up and down the canyons for hours, never getting tired...I actually felt stronger.
Back at camp later another camper told us the Indians that lived in the area in the past considered it a spiritual place, a place of energy.
I know all us guys hiking and climbing that day felt energized.
I read about this case several years ago and was surprised that I had never heard about it before considering my association to Starved Rock.
How it got the name "Starved Rock" is another story...a story about Indians
Very interesting story. I'm going to research the origin of Starved Rock👍
I've been to Starved Rock recently and they have done their best to erase the original story, downplaying it as an old myth or fable.
@@neorev01 really! We're they Illinois Indians...the tribe?
I forgot...
@@markspitzok3064 I don't remember which tribes and the story has been all but erased at their new visitors center. They focus on generic native American artifacts and interactions with French traders and explorers instead.
I'm sure that some older books will have the original info if I can find some
@@neorev01 I remember being told by park rangers at the time...mid 1960's, I was a child.
The Indians were being forced off their land by settlers and battles were occurring...so the US army got involved.
The Indians retreated to their sacried land and eventually ended up at the top of Starved Rock, surrounded by the US army...and were Starved to death cuz they wouldn't surrender.
Didn't have reservations than, they wanted the Indians to move out...further west. Indians said, this is our land and started fighting the settlers.
I'm almost sure it was the Illinois Indian tribe.
Very interesting case. Your analysis motivated me to watch the documentary.
These were truly horrific murders of three innocent women who were just trying to do some bird watching, really sad.💔🥺
Great analysis as usual, thank you Dr. Grande.❤️
HI Dr.G, huge appreciation for all your hard work, a huge fan for a couple years, since summer2019. Going thru family betrayal tons of drama, thank you for helping to save my fragile sanity. Take good care of yourself we need you.
Dr. G please keep us updated on the DNA results. Can't wait to hear. AND thank you for the constant education and entertainment!
Thank you for the Video. I am in Germany in my kitchen, baking another load christmas cookies and listening to Dr. Grande 😃🔔🎅🌲
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@@bthomson Thank you 😍
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@@mrs.reluctant4095 Hahaha thank you and greetings to Thüringen 😍😘
Thank you, Dr. Grande, for composing new episodes so often! I watch your videos every day.
Merry Xmas, Hanukkah or whatever your beliefs Dr G. You are the gift that keeps on giving. Have a good one!
When not paying close attention to your sneak attack quips, eye popping comments, and especially your dry, hilarious jokes they're really missing out. You Dr. Grande are a card!
Merry Christmas to you and yours Doc 🎅.. We've appreciated your insight, opinion and humour throughout this year 👊 👍.. Till next time .. Old G 🎅😉
I wonder if Dr.Grande is working on an interestingly hilarious Christmas video at this very moment?
Last year's was EPIC! 😁
(You are, aren't you, you stealthy elf, you?) 🎄🎉🎁
Happy Holly Daze Dr Grande!
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Happy Holidays Dr. Grande. 🎄🎄
I know this one will be good. I love the older cases. ❤
Fifth? Really? Never happened before. I am shocked!
I love the older ones, too. 🙂
@@mrs.reluctant4095 There's usually more mystery to them. And a lot more real detective work. Not all DNA and camera footage. I think detective skills were a lot better back then. Happy Holidays to you, Mrs. R, and a great new year! ❤ 🎄🎁🎉🎊
@@LDiamondz I agree! Same to you, thank you so much for your kindness!
lol. I edited my comment and lost the heart Dr.Grande gave me! Sometimes, I am a bit of a twit! 😐
lol. Thanks, Dr. G! ❤
Always a good analysis, interesting old case. Thanks Dr G😊💕💕🎄
I love the old cases! More detective work back then. Now It's a lot of DNA and video evidence. You had to be a better investigator way back. Happy Holidays to you, Zena! 🌷❤❤
I don't know why but I agree with others that old cases are very interesting! Maybe because, if they are still talked about after such a long time, they must be curious!
@@LDiamondz Good points! I was thinking same. Thanks so much! Happy Holidays to you also L Diamondz 😊⭐🎁♥️🎶🕊
@@bthomson That's a good point. 60 years from now, some of the recent cases will still be talked about. And others, forgotten!
@@zenawarrior7442 Thanks, Zena! 🎄🎋🎉🎊🎄
I live 90 minutes from Starved Rock! 👋🏼 And, I currently live in suburb right next to Riverside!
Merry Christmas 🎅
Doctor, have you ever thought about covering our case of the "Rothenburger cannibal". I think it is, how can I put this, of an internationally considerable standard. You know what I mean. It fits your channel, doctor.
Oh yes, that is the guy cutting the "Wiener" of his victim "sclice by sclice". He seasoned and cooked it and they ate it together. BRRRRR - there are Interviews with him.
@@nutellabrot9047 Uggg. You just ruined my lunch! 😅 It's a good suggestion, though.
@@nutellabrot9047 Yes, that's him! 😉
@@LDiamondz 😅😅😅😅 I am sorry and I know how you feel. I couldnt eat hotdogs for several years after I heard about it 😂😂😂
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Nice choice. I just watched the new documentary series about this case yesterday. Super interesting.
Yes, I was thinking DNA through most of your analysis. That will be a really good thing. It is difficult to imagine how he took down three grown women at one time. Maybe there was a gun involved that was never fired.
Yes he did have a rifle with him when he raped the teenage girl. I'm not sure about DNA. You got to understand in the 60s there was no such thing. So all the evidence just got thrown into one bag and mixed up. And there were a lot of people handling it over the years.
Have a merry Christmas, Dr Grande!
Now i know Dr. Grande and I have the same watchlist on the major media apps
Also totally think he did it
Dr Grande, your humor is just knee slapping! You make my day, thank you.
This was a great explanation of the case. Agree, the documentary was too entertaining to be an effective learning tool for the viewer. Agree, there had to be an accomplice. I don't buy the whole "threaten with a tree branch" thing at all. What is he, the Incredible Hulk? He pulls off a tree limb and waves it around. You are not going to pick up some random piece of dead fallen tree, that is going to work as a weapon.
A found walking stick. Often times I have gone on walks with people who think as we go deeper into the woods a found stick will defend them against a four legged critter, (typically a bear). Since it was near a cave it was probably a cut piece for a fire at a camp.
Tree branches come in all different shapes and sizes.
@@john-paulsilke893 Excellent theory. The whole scene is just awkward, I can imagine holding 3 people as prisoner with a gun, but with a stick? Wouldn't the 3 just reason that while one is going to take a beating, at least 1 of the other 2 can get to help, or far enough that screams would be heard. I just don't see 3 adults surrendering to one stick. Thanks..
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My parents and I vacationed in Starved Rock, at a lodge where one could stay in the main building or have an entire small log cabin to oneself...we had the log cabin and lovely nature hikes in the area under the guidance of a great leader who during the rest of the year was a teacher in a local school. We returned the following year and I have always looked back with nostalgia to those delightful summer vacations...the year was 1942!!!
Thanks for the content
Looking very dapper in your festive shirt doc.
Thanks Dr Grande, now I can skip a docuseries, but still get good info.
I love all your videos, but remember…these documentaries are made to get views. The filmmakers job is to create a film he can sell. No network would buy it, if it wasn’t full of extra garbage to keep you watching. Added drama is what these documentaries are all about (regardless of how manufactured it is.)
Thanks, Doc.
I from Lasalle IL. My Mom was reading a lot about the story at the time. My mom had many younger sisters and brother. She said his children were picked on in school on very often after the story had been in the news. Something else, I am kind of a heavy myself. My mom said these women were pretty big, these women could of took him very easily. She said the Weger guy was pretty thin of a guy not strong looking at all. She had been an acquaintance of his.
Richard Speck murdered 8 women in their own home. He was slight of build. Wegner could have easily killed these ladies on his own.
@@maureen6907 Speck attacked at night. Speck restrained his victims one by one, moving from room to room, waking each woman one at a time. The fact that happened indoors too - interior crime scenes are far easier to control than exterior.
The only way a lone assailant could have controlled the scene, surprising 3 robust & healthy women in a broad canyon is if he had a gun. No gun was ever mentioned in connection to this crime.
The two crimes aren't comparable.
Dr Grande, you said something both interesting and troubling in this video. It was about how at the time the confession was acceptable and admissible then but wouldn’t be today. This is a very short period of time. Have you considered how the zeitgeist changes over time in law? In the 1500’s you could be hanged for stealing a chicken, but today it’s hardly a misdemeanour. Over long spans of time it’s understandable, but this has happened in my lifetime. I think it’s a very interesting phenomenon, the changing zeitgeist of justice over perceptible time.
If this crime had been committed today, I do think the confession would not have the same significance for his conviction. DNA evidence and crime scene investigative techniques have come a long way in the past 50-60 years in determining the guilt or innocence of the accused.
Surely stealing a chicken is still against the law? A live one I mean, not off plate at KFC.
@@JeannetteShoreland The fact that his story kept changing tells me he was involved somehow!
The cacti arrangement in this upload continues to be symmetrical as well as visually enjoyable
I love old cases best! Thank you! Please consider analyzing the Papin sisters of France.
How did I only just now notice the cacti Xmas decorations? This LIGHTS! The SHINY COWBOY HAT!! The SPARKLY TINSLE CACTUS!!! all just as subtle and smart as you, Dr. Grande.
I have never heard of this case. I've been to Starved Rock numerous times and I live near Riverside. Thank you for bringing this up. I'm new to this channel and have been enjoying what your perspective is on people and cases.
I think the diverse array of cacti (smiley, shining, sparkling, silly, spiny, sassy) is a display of all the components of Dr. G’s id. 🤣
Merry Christmas Doc! Still hoping for the one mil mark soon!
Starved Rock has a wild history it's an incredibly beautiful preserve and I suggest anybody who can go does go and get a look at it
Hi Doc, I saw a clip of you recently on Sloan. He did a video about Hilaria Baldwin .
I saw that, too. Sloan gave him credit as a resource. I wasn't expecting Dr.Grande to show up in the video.
Sweet shirt, Doc.
I don't know...so many have been found guilty and executed on far less so called circumstantial evidence than what was available in this case. I would have had no problem saying Guilty based on the evidence either then or now, the recanting would not bother me. He was also embarrassed about the sexual nature of the crime so had to lie and say it was robbery. Those poor ladies. Can't go anywhere just to enjoy nature without being on your guard against violent crazy people.
So on the top shelf, next to the lit cactus Chrismas Tree there is a little square box. I wonder what it is?
By the looks of it, I'd guess it's a Slinky. They're fun for a girl or a boy, you know. 😉
@@LDiamondz or a zebra!
It is probably a box full of love ❤️
@@MissEwe A Box of Love! ; a box of love that doesn't analyze a specific grizzly murder but instead analyzes a grizzly murder like this!
A very tiny little zebra in the box. 😆
Btw: BigZebra, I can't seem to reply to you directly for some reason. My comment just disappears! Maybe you inadvertently 'muted' me? I did that a few times myself. Had to go back and unmute them. 😮
EDIT: Yes, I've checked. It appears I have been 'muted', my friend. 😢 Think you can fix it? ❤
I watch these for your snarky asides. I mean, the analysis is amazing but the wit is what makes these videos addictive.
I think it's highly possible that only one man could carry out a crime against three women, especially given the decade that the crime occurred in. In general women acted and behaved more submissive and coercing three "proper ladies" doesn't seem impossible at all. I don't know if it was Chester or not but he could have easily grabbed one of the women and threatened harm to her if the other two did not comply. I think it's less likely more than one person committed the crime of murder at a time 🤷♀️
i think some criminals have pointed a gun and a group and ordered one to tie the other ones up? And then the criminal will tie up the last victim.
Oh please!! Do you think the 3 of them just stood there passively while he murdered them one by one? People will fight to live and the "decade" has zero to do with it. These are human beings, not cattle waiting to be slaughtered.
Idk...my friends are horse women. One unarmed man would have left in a body bag if he tried to hurt them. And these are women over 50.
I lived around Starved Rock from 1969 to 1995. Spent alot of time there and at Mathusulam(spelled wrong) Park. Beautiful places. You should tell the history of Starved Rock and how it got it's name.
Nice shirt Doc!
Agree Dr. Grande that Weger was involved. Not sure about justifying a sixty year term with reasonable doubt. Thank you for choices presented. Poirot could have a field day! Holiday Cheer Dr. G.
Love your analysis videos
Yas! I think I might be a bit of a Dr. Grande groupie...
Yes! Welcome to the club! :)
@@LDiamondz I'm the one who wants a title for the mega fans of a page. Like on Fundie Friday they are called "Jenninites" and fans of That Chapter are the "Goo Crew". So... What are Dr. Grande groupies?lol
@@ChantalOfTheNorth I love That Chapter, too! I didn't even know there was a fan page. I guess I don't stick around much. For Dr.Grande, a few ideas floated around a while back. People liked Hot Toddies and Grande-ositiy Gang. What ideas do you have? I got nothing. Hot Toddies is funny, though!
Whatever the name I'm in!
@@LDiamondz oh man I love them both. I think Hot Toddies is adorable but I could see some people having an issue with it. Hmm. I'm not creative 😂😂😂. Imma do some thinking.
Well, I hear about this case alot. I live in Illinois and my family runs the spirit of Peoria river boat ( my cousin, she's the captain). I believe the cops are crooked in Illinois. I once got busted smoking pot at a local park and the cop called my uncle instead of my mom bc he knew him. My dad was an Sgt. With the county and received a traumatic brain injury on the job and was in rehabilitation. The copper who arrested me ( he never charged me) called me the devil for smoking the devil's lettuce. It was 1994 or five, it's not like it was 1929 refer madness! 🤣
Thanks doctor.
Dr. Grande, can you please analyze the murder case of Richard Oland? Thanks
Based on the photo in the thumbnail i can almost hear the Trashmen hit surfing bird.
Dr. Grande could you analyze the murder of Bobby Kent? 🙏🙏🙏
I've never heard of this case so I really enjoyed hearing your analysis of it
Third!!!! Merry Christmas Doc!
I was really surprised authorities could not distinguish animal blood from human blood during that time period.??
Best shirt ever!
Merry Christmas mate from Australia have a good one
Stay tuned until 2022..
Merry Christmas, Dr. Grande. Your channel is one of my favorites.
Very interesting, as usual. Thanks Dr. Grande.
Request: Have you had any experience in therapy for depression using Extracranial Electrical Brain Stimulation? Both that and EM Brain Stimulation seem to have high rates of positive results for those with depression and even for other conditions, like Bipolar.
The time for positive results, as short as a few sessions, with an inexpensive device, with essentially no risky side effects, seems very hopeful for what has been measured as the ailment affecting more people than any other, currently. 12-23-2021
Early congratulations Dr Grande, your channel is so close! I eagerly await every episode.
Really interesting! This happened before I was born so I had no knowledge of it. Thanks, intriguing.
I live in LaSalle County near Starved Rock. I grew up hearing about this story and seeing he was up for parole every year. There was a local thug "Smoky Wrona" who was thought to have possibly done this. Supposedly he confessed the murders to his sister on his deathbed. You can see the video of Smoky's sister talking about it on CZcams, Alice Wrona talks about her brother's role in the Starved Rock Murders. It will be interesting to see what the DNA evidence yields. I hope it is something definite.
Merry Christmas doc Todd Grande all best .
Doctor would you please cover two stories I read about years ago but never heard of before and not much since. 1-H H Holmes and the Murder Castle took place during the Chicago Worlds Fair. But he had been practicing his craft of murder for years prior.
2-Ed Gein the Butcher of Plainfield aka The Plainfield Ghoul
Thank you for your consideration and Merry Christmas to you and yours. 🎄 🎁
Search his channel, he covered Gein. Holmes is a great suggestion, hope he covers him.
There's a great book about hh holmes and I can't remember the name of it
Grande makes me feel calm before sleep.
Happy Holidays!
Starved Rock, the park and the lodge is beautiful. I didn't remember this happening. Thanks for your analysis.
Dr Grande is badass. He clearly has strong political beliefs but is very careful about keeping these opinions close to his heart. He clearly has disdain for the current and previous administrations and possibly more. However he absolutely gives credit where credit is due and defends the defensible of these disreputable people and even their spouses. It’s very refreshing and his sardonic wit is dry and hilarious.
I agree I think Chester had help.
Great analysis Dr Grande!!
Nice plaid shirt Dr Grande. Great content always!
I believe there were at least 2 perpetrators.
Amazing content, like always. Thanks for the analysis Doc!
Dr. Grande please analyze the Stanford Prison Experiment.