Huge Range Rover Comparison! L322 vs L405 - Which One Should You Buy (Test drive and full review)
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2023
- I got the opportunity to drive a Range Rover L322 and a Range Rover L405 back to back to find out which comes out on top. Having driven them both I can certainly say that they are both amazing cars but they do have their differences. I'd love to hear your opinions down in the comments!
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As I said in a comment on your last vid. The L322 is a better range rover, the 405 is a better car.
Some bloke by the name of clarkson said. The L322 identifies as a transit van. And I totally get what he means. It's practical, you can throw a sheep, your shopping and two kids in the back all at the same time. It'll tow your trailers, tow start the stubborn old tractor, then after a quick wash, whisk you to your favorite eatery in comfort and a certain, style.
Every switch in the 322 is designed so you could use it with a gloved hand, a small nod to the farmers car in it's breeding. It really wants to be the family workhorse.
The 405, lighter, quicker (in some cases), undoubtedly more refined. And in some peoples view, prettier. But it is.. a car, not a true working SUV.
And the fridge, was an option in the 322 as well.
If you were to put a private plate on a tidy 322, most people would not think it's a 10 plus year old car, and for all their issues (and we know there are many) It's one hell of a car, that can be had for silly low money.
If you're ever looking to do a video to see how far the L322 has come from the P38 I've got a pretty good example of a 2001 4.6 V8 Vogue P38, still on air as well! Would be more than happy to see it up against the L322!
Bang on. The Queen kept her L322 until the end. We have a 2004, L322 NA V8, since new and we adore her. 233k miles. I have driven the L405 sc petrol V8 and it defies physics, powerful, smooth, quiet…lovely, but I miss the taller and larger windows in the L322; the open and airy cabin is luxury and the original L322 dash is cleaner than the updated dash in the later L322 models; my glove box is still operating perfectly and the lux package for 2003-2005, has deeper leather creases than the 2006-on version + I love the old contrasting leather piping.
I love your review. It is great fun to hear your thoughts on the two. I love them both, but I would never let my L322 go…even if a newer one joins her.
I prefer the more chiseled looks of the L322. Whilst the L322 is perhaps seen as less reliable as it's older, once the L405 starts ageing as much I suspect that all the extra bells and whistles will start to reach the limits of their working life and the reliability complaints will start to increase too.
I had a 2.5 year old l405 that needed 2 new turbos. In 4 l322’s, I haven’t needed any (touching loads of wood right now 😊 )
Galvanic corrosion on the aluminium L405 shell where the subframes bolt on too. Welding is expensive but otherwise easy on steel. Not sure too many local level garages will be saying the same about welding a corroded aluminium shell back together!
@@almac414 Are there no zincs?
The steering wheel is not ‘part plastic’. Its grand piano black veneered wood. You really think LR would fit ‘plastic’ in a 100k car?
Great to see the two.....Like you for me the L322 is the true Range Rover, but I am warming to the L405, it is quite possible in 3 years I will change....Keep the videos coming😃
It's worth remembering that the L405 is around half a tonne lighter than L322 so a lot more power, a lot less weight. I had an L322 4.4TDV8 for 8 months but got rid of it for one simple reason, insurance. I'm nearly 38 with clean driving record but insurance grew to nearly £2000 this year. Add to that road tax at near £700 and the ever present risk of large repair bills, it had to go, too much for a second car/toy. But I do miss it terribly.
Again another great review .. LOC. Being the proud owner of an L322 3.6 and have been having the same thoughts re upgrading to the later models I have to agree despite the additional ride and refinements in the later models the L322 just looks and feels more the 'chiselled' Range Rover as opposed to 'Jelly Mould' .... more tractor as you referred. A well maintained and servied L322 is just fun to both fun to drive and own .. stay classic and enjoy the heritage ... :) appreciating classic
Amusing how views can differ. Have both tested Ranger Rovers, a L322 diesel v8 and L405 diesel v8, both Vouge HSE, and agree that L405 is performance wise yes noticably quicker than the L322 and nimbler. However a sensible state of mind buys a Range Rover because he wants a vehicle that is a very practical, very safe, very comfortable and luxurious daily driver for either short or long distances. One doesn't expect it to tackle corners like a 911. I also agree that out of both the L322 is the vehicle one worries less about doing any damage to. For me it has nothing to do with the price of either vehicles. The new price of my L322 was around €124.000 which isn't "peanuts' and thus also something I don't really want to scratch or dent. For me it's simply just the looks. The L322 just looks like the lad you don't have to worry about and the L405 a bit to pretty boyish. Naturally every new model takes every topic a step further than it's predecessor and I therefore also agree the L405 does take luxury to the next level. In my opinion though and even by today's standards the L322 is still a very luxurious SUV. In fact in it's production lifetime it was considered the most luxurious SUV on the market. Alone the full leather interior with contrast piping, something that once was like the trade mark for British luxury automobiles and once only found on the likes of Daimler, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Bentley or Rolls Royce. That this very British "Gentlemans Club" option was on longer available for the L405, well ... disappointing to say the least. E.g. take the full spec 2017 MB GLS 500 I had to my disposal 2 years ago for a wee while. The interior of my 2012 L323, a 9 year old vehicle at the time is far more luxurious than the then the at the time 4 year old GLS. The 9 year old L322 also equipped with features the GLS simply missed. My L405 I purchased with the intent to replace my L322 but instead the L405 has become the "Sunday Suit" that gets taken out on special occasions and my L322 has remained my daily automotive companion. Owned many a car in my day, most MB, E, CE, S, SL, GL but also a M535i, M3, A7, Alfa 33, Alfa 166, Phaeton, Volvo S60, Lexus LS 400 and most of them put a smile on my face in one way or other. The L322 however was the first car in my life that put a smile on my face the first day I drove it and on every single since then till now. My L322 a immaculately maintained car but also very well used which it's 180.000 Km on the clock and many road trips such as southern Germany to Berlin, Croatia or Italy show. Could not think of a better car for a 4 person + luggage long distance trip!
We’ll presented Lucy and informative, I’m like you got a L322 3.6 Vogue and love I can chuck the dogs in, go to tip, and fix it myself, but I am templed with a L405. Great Vlog, good job.
I have a 2.5TD P38 if you want to use it for your comparison test 👍🏼
Great review and comparison 🔥. Just committed to an L322 and started the journey, couldn't be happier! L405 is really luxurious (it has a darn fridge!), but I would agree you wouldnt treat it the same and be a bit more precious with it, which you should at the price difference.
Good luck on the journey👍
I have both L405 and an old L322 as a work horse. This way I have ( in my mind ) the best of both worlds. L405 is my daily drive Autobiography too by the way. Nice bit of luxury. Then L322 is a great work horse for working out in fields and wooded areas. I’m not worrying about the scratches and the junk I’m putting in it plus it’s a V8 petrol so it sounds good too.
I think there’s a Range Rover for every taste and need someone has. You just have to have the budget and love too.
Your passion shines through even though your L322 is aged. Welcome to the club.
Another great video. I love my 4.4TDV8 L322 and wouldn’t change it. As said many times before “the L405 is a better car but the L322 is a better Range Rover.
Go for the L405 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography from 2016. Update the lower climate screen to the newer style, which is plug and play. Install takes 20mins. If you can, also change the upper screen to the Andriod head unit, and then you are up to date. See Range Rover World for those mods. It's also worth a remap as mine increased to 393BHP alongside the torque too. Amazing at roundabout where you don't have to book an appointment when pressing the accelerator! In terms of reliability, as Matt from HPA says, service it when it should, and look after it. Double the oil service interval to keep the turbos happy. Service the gearbox by 'Updates by Bodsy'. He is excellent and the gearbox feels brand new. Good luck :)
Great review! I own a 2012 L322 HSE LUX and have spent a considerable amount of time with the L405. I totally get what you're on about with the doors. The mechanical feel and effort to open/close them is so satisfying, second only to the G-wagon in solidity. Luxury in today's vehicles just equates to how many technical/electrical faffs can be squeezed in. The L322 hails from a goldilocks time in automobile manufacturing where luxury largely meant quality in build construction... well some parts of LR build quality. Nevertheless, I adore my FFRR and couldn't see myself owning any other truck.
Hi from France 🤗 Thanks for this vidéo 🙏 I prefer L322. Have an amazing Friday ✨✨
Good solid video, there's a reason the l322 is widely regarded as the best vehicle ever made. The man himself Clarkson always reverts back to the L322.
I had an L322 and and L405. Had many more problems with the L405. More luxury meant more things to go wrong. If I was to return to this type of vehicle again, I'd try to find a well looked after L322.
Just to clear up the steering wheel spec. See below
Product Description
Range Rover Vogue L405 2013+ - Wood & Leather
Steering Wheel (Black Piano Wood)
Upgrade your Range Rover L405 with this re-trimmed genuine steering wheel with gloss back inlays and sports
ergonomic grip.
This steering wheel is a genuine Land Rover Steering Wheel that has be professionally re-trimmed by hand.
Black Piano is the term used to describe the deep black
finish as seen on many expensive Pianos. These steering
wheels are not simply sprayed black but have had 10
layers of clear lacquer applied over a polished black surface. This finish is also refered to as "Grand Black Lacquer".
The steering wheel has designed with a more ergonomic
"sports" grip profile and the grip areas have be trimmed with soft napa leather with a perforated finish.
Note: this steering wheel retains the heated grip function.
In addition this steering wheel has the recesses at the
rear for paddle shifters.
This listing is for a bare steering wheel with no airbag and
no switches.
You retain all your original wiring / airbags etc so there are
L322 a far heavier car which will affect handling and fuel consumption
L322 has issues with body rot and rust which is difficult to control and expensive
L322 even with the late model lacks a lot of technology
The L322 still however does have a certain charm and upgrading from a late 2011 model to a 2017 L405 is significant £20k plus upgrade and if you want a car opposed to a Range Rover then the L405 is a natural choice if you can afford it and if you want to avoid numerous break downs in 7 months in the L322
A lot of people whine on about both cars and ultimately it’s down to personal opinion and whether you can afford an upgrade
Brutal review of the ride quality of the L322!
The L322 is peak RR for me. I'll make mine last as long as possible. 139k miles so far, over 100k with me. Love the vids
Thanks for the videos Lucy. I love my 2011 TDV8 4.4. Not so keen on the L405
My 2011-2012 VOGUE SE 4.4 TDV8 322 actually has more 'toys' and gizmos than that supposed Autobography in the video. fact.
@@solentlifeuk Lol like what?
Be an even fairer comparison with a 4.4 tdv8 L322 😊
I loved my 3 L322s but my L405 is much more sorted 👌You should get yourself to one of the Land Rover Experience centers for some off roading... would make a great video 😃
Hello. We had an L322 and still have an L405! I have to say, the L322's seats were much more plush than the L405. For 2013-2017 models of the L405, the seats are noticeably harder and many complained about it on the forums.
Both are great cars with a huge presence
The turbo lag difference is because the 3.6 has two identical turbos while the 4.4 has one small and one big turbo to keep the boost at all revs.
We'll all be praying for you and we prayed for your dad 🙏
Personally, I would take the L405. I do like the looks of the L322 but to me, personally, I think it is now, just, starting to look it’s age now. 2 years ago it didn’t, but I think now the L405 looks more current and the one I would pick.
Hey Lucy, your car should have a fridge, my 2004 TD6 had one, it sort of only works with the air con, but who really needs cold drinks in the middle of winter. Once you've had a range rover, any range rover, it's not really possible to just move back to a car, no matter what anyone says you will always defend them, but the feeling you get driving one is worth any amount of hassle they cause, I must be one of the lucky one's never really had much bother with mine, it has never let me down once in 16 years of ownership..... so yes too right I will be getting another, just waiting for the right D350 to turn up.
L322's never got the fridge like the L405.
Only the Discovery 3/4 and the Range Rover Sport of the same age had it.
L322 never had a fridge
the lagginess you are feeling in your L322 when you pull away can be cured with an update on the gearbox. I got my local specialist to do it in mine and it was the best £90 i have spent on it! :)
Just the kind of video I needed - we have the L322 and considering a 405 now but in many ways I just can’t bear to part with the ‘322.
I do wish I didn’t have ‘Range Rover m-Itis’ as Matt says.
The L322 2011 has 4.4 TDV8 and adaptive suspension. Still not quite up to L405 standard, but it's closer. Might be interesting if you could drive one of those as well
L322 has a timeless Classic appeal. 405's visually hard to distinguish from a Kia.
Not that I'm biased, you understand . ...
L405 is a massive step up and far far better looking. Saying that it's still as much of a money pit as the L332.
Just on tractoriness, if that's the vibe somebody wanted, wouldn't something like a Discovery be a better fit? Really good comparison and shows how cars evolve over time. I like your car better but that's mainly the colour which I think is one of the best Range Rover colours out there!
Our L322 “AL” has towed our caravan round Spain and France in the last couple of years.. it always needs attention but I regard it as the last of the “proper” RangeRovers. No competition.
Thank you for your video and I think you represent a normal genuine driver and how one decision on purchasing the L322 style. L322’s military appearance matches the Land Rover brand. Unfortunately Defender is taking over that image but using much cheaper quality and interior design.
On the other hand, L405 is a car base Range Rover and going into a luxury SUV segment. It’s more like a car and MB ‘S Class’ will do a better job.
L322 is still a luxury SUV w/o all the hi tech gadgets. Everything is solid truck for all weather usage. It’s a boxy design and unexplainable good looking Rover Rover. Driving experience with the commander position, big windows with complete control on the road, comfortable ride regardless of road conditions, on and on…..not sure Land Rover can repeat this L322 success again.
Great video! But why didn’t you check the glovebox on the V8?
I think it depends on the style like you said more modern makes you feel you have arrived vs l322 still can be offroad without worrying about scratches and dents and repair bill i like the l322 the l405 has been replaced by l460 ranger too morden too many thing can go wrong on newer that requires to go to dealership for repairs
I’ve driven our L322 in between bushes and scraped along hedgerows, and yet the paintwork has remained fantastic. Curious if this is true for the 405? Then you might not need to feel too precious about it?
I would love a newer L405 but cant beat my trusty NA 4.4 v8 petrol 2004. More agricultural and easier and cheaper to fix if and when things go wrong.
L322 4.4tdv8 8zf the best car❤
Buy these cars with your eyes open, be prepared for big bills and running costs. That aside, great cars.
L322 is more "Range Roverey" in design, although I prefer the slightly earlier 3.6tdi.
The L322 is the last true Range Rover. The perfect mix of Luxury and workability.
Personally I like the look of the L322 better. Being newer (and a lot more expensive than your L322), you’d expect more bells and whistles, however it’s just more to go wrong.
If you’re going to take the price hike on an L405 then ideally you need post 2015 as it’s ULEZ compliant this pushes prices up considerably though.
Also before you commit look at the way insurance is going, many insurance companies won’t touch the L405.
I was adamant I was going to get an L405 as my next car but having a 4.4 l322 and not being a lover of pointless tech it didn’t make sense.
Really? My 2006 4.2sc is Ulez compliant. You'd think they could manage that on the new model.
@@crissyb00 Presumably they mean diesel engined models. Petrols will be fine.
And yes, The 405 is a money pit as well.nothing changes.
Sorry but how can you compare a 3.6 322 to a 4.4 405 ? They are completely different beasts. Soggy brakes ? Sounds like you need LR dealer to bleed the brakes properly. Its a common fault as normal other dealers / services cannot bleed 322 brakes properly - I know from my own experience with my 322. Its to do with the drive / abs combo.
what driver seats are more comfy ?
Is the SDV8 really a twin turbo as she says at 2:35? I thought it had one turbo. I know the TDV8 3.6 is a twin turbo. Cause I've got one. 😉
The 4.4 has two turbos. A smaller one for low revs and a bigger one that kicks on with higher revs. The 3.6 has two identical turbos, hence, the lag.
Yea
These new Range Rovers look nice but I prefer my 1970 series IIA nothing beats a classic.
Came for the cars stayed for the legs😂
Dam that Fiesta driver!!!!
“Spoiler alert…we might be looking at something different.”
Interesting, what could it possibly be?🤔
Buy 2012 4.4L diesel L322 😉 has same engine and 8 speed gearbox as L405 😉
Plastic on the steering wheel? I think that will be wood, won't it, Lucy?!
nope,its plastic
Landrover have been the masters of plastic wood for decades.
Nope it’s wood, you don’t tend to get plastic trim in an autobiography RR.
All the trim is plastic on the range rover
@@georgesemple8136 it’s not on mine 👍
Giving up the money pit on wheels so soon? Good decision! However I suspect it will be one money pit for another 😂
The l405 is a complete basket case once there a few years old ask Clarkson why he’s getting rid of his l405 and keeping his 17 years old l322 lol I’m a 2004 l322 owner bought it brand new 19 years ago and thought I’d upgrade I owned the l405 less then a week it went straight back trust me I’ve said it once already and il say it again you will regret buying the l405 not straight away but give a few weeks and you will be wishing you hadn’t sold your l322 I’m so glad I kept mine and not sold it il never sell it and it will be my last car il ever own 👍
Don’t get too hung up on the engines as the l322 post 2010 came with the same 4.4 and 8 speed box. It also came with better brembo brakes. The 4.4 l322 drives much more like the l405 you had. L322 autobiography seats are much the same as the l405 you have there too. Air suspension, maybe your compressor and/or reservoir is not holding pressure so well? Your glove box is just busted. You need new struts on your tailgate too. Your door cables may have too much slack in them. P38a was awful, classic was better.
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You need to invest in sound equipment. Soon!
Which to buy?? Neither one. Wait until they're made in Slovakia, like the Defender
It’s not a car, it’s a SUV!!!!!!!!
l322 is cooler and that’s all that matters
Neither, all money pits !
the l405 looks much better
If u can afford it 😢L405 all day long.
The 322 just looks so dated sorry.
A couple of old dinosaurs that don’t really belong in the modern world. Come on Lucy isn’t it time to get with the now stuff .
On a channel that is mostly on the L322 Range Rover? Wouldn’t really make sense.
You’re watching the wrong channel. This is for Range Rover fans
Think fredblogs missing the point
An excellent and very helpful comparison! The only thing is wrong is that you should have compared the L405, with an L322 fitted with the 4.4 TDv8 engine and not the 3.6 version.
Do you drive barefoot