David Cronenberg on Crimes of the Future and why he sees body horror as "the body beautiful"
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- Canadian director David Cronenberg has never been afraid to challenge his audience with grotesque or graphic themes. But behind every scene are deeper questions about the human condition. In an interview with Tom Power, he spoke about his latest project, Crimes of the Future.
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What a national treasure - warm, down-to-earth, unassuming, yet fiercely intelligent. We need more artists and provocateurs like him.
Not in this day & age mate all dumb as fuck.
One of the very few times I will go to the cinema this year.
the real deal (to some extent anyway) ... good movie!
most are censored. He's grandfathered. This is a political film because our governments are demanding we give up our bodily autonomy. I'm against the mandates because I don't want to surrender my body to new tech experiments. At WEF they said in ten years we won't have smart phones because they'll be in our bodies. The future will be body horror but if you're against giving tech the rights over our bodies our funded media tells us we are anti vax. The argument is silenced just like art that challenges in any way nowadays. Movies have become power fantasies for 14 years olds. Questioning anything now makes you a right wing extremist.
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@REVOLUTION TV Sounds like it just wasn't your cup of tea.
32:28 Cronenberg looks so thrilled by that idea lmao. He seems so incredibly fascinating and warm, and you can still see so much youthfulness inside him when he smiles or gets excited about talking about certain ideas. What an incredibly intelligent and gentle person, and a great interview. Especially for a guy who brings nightmares to life lol.
I had a total hip replacement done a month before seeing this movie, so can totally relate to it.
I can’t stop fingering my scar.
I absolutely loved crimes of the future, it was so visionary and unique and the story was small scale but had rich thorough worldbuilding
Can we just acknowledge how clear and eloquent he sounds like and he looks really good for 79. Don't know what his secret is but I need some of it. Also the movie was a breath of fresh air. Seeing Titane and now Crimes of the Future is so great for body horror fans. Of course Titane being directly influenced by Cronenberg's Crash. Crimes of the Future has a great idea, very good opening and does deliver on the body horror side. It just felt like the edit was a little rushed and some of the plot lines were not developed enough, the narrative jumps from one thing to the other and there is so much potential in developing some of those side stories. I am afraid I did not manage to feel involved in the emotion that was portrayed by Lea Seydoux or Viggo Mortensen.
I always expect him to speak with a British accent.
IDK why.
Can't imagine my life without David Cronenberg films! They have gotten me through some of the toughest times in life and so grateful that he is gracing us with a new film being the complete first and unique writer & director to bring his immaculate talent and real life horror to life in his films that has inspired me to write! Thanks for making our lives worth living with your films like The Fly and The Dead Zone that I have watched all my life. Couldn't be happier to see his return and what a come back with his new amazing film too! All of them are the greatest!!!🤗💓🙏
"Comeback"?
When was he ever gone?
But, in the non rhetorical question department; Do you know of he is related to American actor Ted Danson?
Minus the age difference, they look so much alike.
He looks amazing for 79.
Take it from someone in healthcare, if you stay slim/exercise, don't smoke or drink excessively, and yeah have a bit of luck in not getting cancer, you too can be really active and healthy through to your 90s potentially.
he seems so sane and modest for those movies
My god this was truly a heartwarming encounter
A wonderful interview with a true artist. Thank you.
I didn’t think he could make another film as strange and extraterrestrial as Cosmopolis, but good lord, this one certainly comes close.
I liked this new one it left me with more to think about but Cosmopolis is the better film I believe
Listening to him is the equivalent of watching his films.
this is one of the best cronenberg interviews i have seen...
Ok, his final statement, at literally at the end of the video, was incredible. About having children and understanding of human being is.
This guy is a genius, I'm so psyched to see this movie. The return of the king! You don't know how happy I am that my favorite director is going back to his roots with such an awesome premise for a movie he wrote long ago. And what a great interviewer. Long live the new flesh 😈
You will _not_ be disappointed.
@@KeithOtisEdwards I _was_ disappointed.
@@TheWelchProductions Have you ever tried any consciousness-expanding chemicals? They might help expand your consciousness.
I wish this man knew just how much I adore him. I could listen to him speak all day. I love his mind.
Wow. I now have even more respect for that man.
Just finished seeing the film and it's great to see David in top form. While not for all audiences - only one other person in the theater - it's definitely an amazing film and kudos to Howard Shore's marvelous score, Carol Spier's production design, cinematographer Douglas Koch and the acting of Viggo, Lea and Kristen.
Cronenberg's movies usually aren't for all audiences which is why they're so great. I think the best art is the art that speaks to you as an individual and isn't designed to be appealing to everyone.
@@xenos_n. "If it is art, it is not for all, and if it is for all, it is not art." -Arnold Schönberg
@@xenos_n. There was a venue in Vestavia Hills, Al that tried to be an arthouse theater and first up was Crash. I traveled sixty miles to see it and having seen all of his films was on that wavelength. Packed house in an auditorium that seated around 100.
First walkouts about ten minutes in. Twenty minutes before the film ended I was the only person remaining. I thought this is a great film and WTF were all these people expecting? Had they read the book, seen the Cannes reviews or even understood the themes?
Sadly, the theater shuttered some weeks later. Long love any Cronenbergian flesh.
@@hbr54 oh if any film of his had everyone walk out, it would be Crash 😂 ... It's definitely an evocative and bizarre movie that's almost offensive to the senses. But isn't that why it's good? If David Cronenberg did not make that version of Crash, then who would? It's not like a terrible movie that should never have been made. It's a movie that I haven't seen for a LONG time and I still think about it every so often, and that should say something.
There were a total of 7 people for my screening, and everyone but my brother and I shuffled out very quickly after that fantastic ending. 🤔
I just rewatched The Brood and ExistenZ. So awesome.
I had the honor of being in the side of the greek co producer. I can never say enough what an wonderful human David Cronenberg is.
A beautiful man who makes me proud to be around when he is. A true artist, writer, director and free thinker.
I’ve been looking for an interview with him. Everything I wanted, thank you.
What an absolutely kind soul.
He's so sharp. how old is this guy? He's always been so intelligent. I love him.
Just watched it. Amazing, amazing, amazing
Beautiful interview! One of the most fascinating I've ever heard. Thank you!
Fantastic interview
How fascinating and what an admirable person!! Even if I don't enjoy all his movies, and personally I hated Crimes of the Future, I still really really appreciate his ambition and creativity enormously and certainly have found many of his movies to be absolute masterpieces!!
His latest movie was not good.
дизлайк, это как пить воду когда не хочешь её пить и при этом говорить "я хочу её пить"
People often hate what the don't understand
@@phyllisjones1724 Not at all
What an absolutely delightful interview! It's so nice to see that after all these years, Cronenberg's still got it.
What a fantastic interview was a master and legend. Great job. 👏🏻
Cronenberg made my favourite horror film, The Fly!
This was a GREAT interview!!!
He's an amazing person. His designs his ideas he has for these movies r creep in a beautiful way. I'm excited to see crimes of the future and hope cronenberg does more body horror in the future. We need more movie makers like him that use barely any cgi for his films and sticks to animatronics to puppetering. 🙂🙂
Such a wonderful auteur. So warm and engaging.
Fantastic interview! His kindness intelligence and contemplative nature shines through. Like lynch the heavy subject matter of his work is approached with an inquisitive and kind mind.
David Cronenberg is a Canadian Treasure extremely intelligent and a provocateur ❤️
Wonderful and an pleasure to watch.❤
Great interview!
what a great interview, on both sides!
This is such a great interview! David is obviously a massive talent while still being grounded and kind. But the interviewer, Tom, is really good too; so easy going and asking intelligent questions. They have great rapport. 👍
Fantastic interview. I would love to just talk to David Cronenberg.
There are many films that I enjoy, but can only mentally, emotionally, watch once. Many of them are from Cronenberg. He’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head, that can still invoke nightmares in me as an adult.
I’ll need to wait to be in a very happy place before I watch this film, but I will watch it.
Happy Nightmares.
Edit: Great interview, by the way. Subscribed.
Love David Cronenberg
Such a genius, long live David Cronenberg.
The MASTER; a wonderful film maker and a glorious human.
Saw Crimes at the cinema recently and thought it was really interesting. My only disappointment was that the daily mail uk tabloid didn't brand it 'beyond depravity' as they had with crash, makes a great quote on the billboard 🙂
I felt like it had a lot more control than Crash did. All of the disturbing material felt grounded and almost normal for the world, which made it more unsettling, whereas Crash was just... Ick
Twelve. Mother let me see The Fly with her in theater. Entered at the chip in bed scene. Howard Shore's DIVINE score. It is the distinct moment I learned what genius is. Everything on that screen is a sacred memory. Two years after my mother brought to me the k-7 and in 1991 Shore did it again as I watched yet another masterpiece that shared his presence. Cronenberg spotted Shore due to his own brilliance and we are ĺucky to have either of them. I still think of The Fly as their very best.
It is very nice to look at such a great creative modern director! and despite his age, with each new film he touches on topics that are very relevant!❤
I know that many people will find Crime of the Future boring.
but I am sure that in 10-15-20 years it will be relevant, perhaps it will predict the future!
just like his movie Videodrome partially predicted Darknet, Redroom Internet and more!
Thank you for this video 😊❤
The dead Zone was an amazing movie. I thought it was boring when I was 15 and didn't watch it all but I watched it this year and 2 big thumbs up!
The Dead Zone is a Stephen King book but David Cronenberg did awesome job directing it
What an inspiration
Love this mad man
I hope to be like him at 79
great openness
Living legend.
I love you so much, great movie. I also liked Maps to the stars so much. Expecting the next one with Vincent Cassel, damn!!!!!
Incredible interview, a lot of themes and concepts David talks about, like the body, and him having studied Cell Biology initially, as well as his appearance, drinking from a coffee cup, his youth despite his age really remind me of Ray Peat, or David Lynch, not to detract from who he is thru comparison, but the similarities are so interesting, and so is he.
He’s so tapped in its crazy
Just another gem of an interview by Tom Power
i love this man!!!!!!!!
I stopped midway through this vid to go watch the movie and it was spectacular
Being from the US and having lived in Toronto a few years, I have to say, Canadians like Cronenberg represent the culture well.
Although I am a Christian , I love most of his films, I can't wait to see his new movie and i believe he is one of the coolest guys ever in the art of cinema...
What does your religion have to do with your taste in movies?
Also a Christian and love his films. He’s commenting on our Fallen World, which is a biblical reality and therefore in line with the gospels.
Cronenberg is the kind of guy that had entered the Event Horizon portal and came back with lots of ideas
"We love your stuff, we want to work with you. Just not THIS!" = brilliant. Even on a very small scale, I had these conversations MANY times over the years ;)
and especially the experience of stripping your own material down, stripping of EVERYTHING that makes it unique, taking their direction, until they say THIS DOES NOT WORK ... and you just want to hit your head against the wall ....
What a cool guy!
A fascinating artist with a probing intelligence, a true gentleman of class and taste.
A new Cronenberg movie?! Sweeeet! Can’t wait to check this out.
Take it with a whole salt shaker.
Daviv Cronenberg is a class act.
as soon as it started I knew it was him
This is the best description of what the movie is about. S
3:39 What a wonderful Idea! 😃
How could that not be a good thing?
Excellent movie. Another masterpiece by the man. Tempted to give the other guy a sub😛
Saw the film - worthwhile
Noooooooooooo. It ended. I nedd more, more David, more, moreeeee
Wow first time I watch an interview of him. Never heard him speak before. I like his accent, from what part of Canada is he?
Cronenberg's ability to verbally spar and joke is so winsome.
Great interview, not familiar with Tom Power but he did a great job!
I watched the film over the weekend. I thought I was prepared but the film continued to surprise and most shockingly made me think. The last image of Viggo, reduced to grayscale, lasts. This is an adult film with adult themes that has guts
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JEDI by Cronneberg . . . my head just exploaded 😎☕💋
Still trying to figure out why people at the premiere left vomiting at the end, I think that story made me expect far worse than what was shown. Very thought provoking film, even if it doesn't land every thread it launches.
No one makes films like him. Long live the new flesh.
He's a master of horror, the skin-crawling kind that's impossible to look away from.
Love this effin movie
*_So...Cronenberg doesn't have his personal editions of his movies? His personal Director's Cuts? Meaning there's no chance of longer editions of any of his movies?_*
where Can I Watch the interview about welcome alice?
"Crimes of the Future": tra nuovi vizi e nuove carni
Ritmo lento, film a tratti soporifero, trama non articolata e scene ridotte all'osso, azione
quasi inesistente... Ma si tratta del nuovo, atteso capolavoro del maestro del genere body
horror David Cronenberg e quindi un suo perché il film "Crimes of the Future" ce l'ha, deve
avercelo, ed è forte nel suo essere semplice e contorto allo stesso tempo. La specie umana
sta evolvendo, in cosa precisamente è difficile da stabilire, se non attraverso gli strumenti
immaginifici della fantascienza: nuove funzionalità, nuovi organi non previsti - quasi
sempre tumori solidi - crescono nel corpo di alcuni esseri umani - come accade al
protagonista Saul Tenser (Viggo Mortensen) -, forse indotti a formarsi da un subconscio
che materializza istinti repressi e desideri o più probabilmente a causa di inquinamento e
scelte ecologiche scellerate compiute da un'umanità segnata, ridotta di numero e
impoverita.
L'asportazione di questi "ospiti" organici diventa pubblica performance artistica ad opera
della bella Caprice (Léa Seydoux), ex chirurgo prestato all'arte concettuale; l'autopsia in
vitam, un ricercato gesto artistico eseguibile da pochi per la soddisfazione collettiva;
l'autolesionismo è erotico e le ferite di un bisturi sono come pennellate d'artista: l'uomo ha
imparato a giocare col proprio organismo, le proprie malattie e di conseguenza con le
proprie emozioni. Come chiaramente si afferma nel film: "la chirurgia è il nuovo sesso!".
Avendo azzerato nel corso degli anni ogni forma di dolore (la sovraesposizione informativa
e il consumo di massa di arte e cultura ci renderanno insensibili?), l'umanità così
anestetizzata deve ora cercare nuove soglie di piacere da condividere in un amplesso
sociale, esplorare nuovi confini corporali da oltrepassare, assaporare nuove sfide evolutive
delimitate da un labile confine legislativo... Ma non tutti sono disposti ad accettare queste
mutazioni: all'inizio del film una madre uccide, soffocandolo con un cuscino, il proprio figlio
ghiotto di plastica perché non riesce ad accettare questa sua "mostruosità alimentare".
Forse un riferimento alla nostra convivenza forzata con plastica e microplastiche che
stanno di fatto inquinando terra e oceani, e a un nostro possibile futuro da plasticofagi?
Già oggi un certo mercato alimentare propone raccapriccianti "alternative proteiche"!
L'uomo manipola il proprio corpo da decenni: tatuaggi, protesi più o meno sofisticate,
trapianti, pacemaker, organi artificiali... Cronenberg vuole avvisarci che forse stiamo
raggiungendo un punto di non ritorno, oltrepassato il quale ci avvicineremo a frontiere
inimmaginabili. Cambiamenti drastici non solo in vista di una sopravvivenza dettata da
esigenze mediche o estetiche, ma anche per assecondare una profondissima "evoluzione
culturale", interiore, addirittura spirituale. Ristabilire nuovi parametri, ridisegnare cosa
piace e cosa no, seguire piaceri oggi considerati disturbanti ma domani chissà... Tutto
questo sconvolgente scenario futuristico Cronenberg ce lo presenta, come è nel suo stile,
in maniera onirica, bizzarra, grottesca, decisamente surreale. La tecnologia allucinante
presente in Crimes of the Future - il Lettorchidea, il Colazionista, fino al Modulo per
autopsia Sark - non può non ricordare certe bizzarrie in film come Crash, Videodrome e
soprattutto l'oggettistica da incubo di eXistenZ. Come nell'altro Crimes of the Future, quello
del 1970, Cronenberg si diverte a giocare ancora una volta con il corpo dell'umanità, con la
sua inesorabile e quasi non percepita evoluzione verso qualcosa di mostruoso, e ne
denuncia gli eccessi, gli sconfinamenti, gli stati patologici innescati da un progresso malato.
Cronenberg tuttavia non giudica mai apertamente, ma ci mostra il (suo) futuro, ci fa
toccare con mano i prodotti di nuove possibili aberrazioni in epoche non eccessivamente
lontane nel tempo. Come sempre accade con i film del regista canadese, non si è mai sicuri
di quale sia (se c'è) il confine tra la realtà e l'immaginazione, tra ciò che ci sta accadendo e
quello che ancora deve accadere: c'è sempre una cerniera aperta tra presente e futuro, tra
reale e incubo sognato, e nessuno è in grado di chiuderla o di capire se sia già chiusa o in
procinto di essere aperta. Ma "body is reality", il corpo è la realtà, è ciò che siamo, che
siamo diventati per colpa nostra, e da cui non possiamo fuggire: quindi se la realtà non ci
piace, non ci resta che tagliare, aprire, modificare il nostro corpo in cerca di nuove
soddisfazioni fisiche e spirituali, di nuovi piaceri che diventino culto personale e collettivo.
E solo l'arte può catalizzare questo processo che riempie il vuoto analgesico dell'umanità;
perché “bisogna pensare a quel che è successo alla soglia del dolore. Il mondo è molto più
pericoloso ora che il dolore è quasi scomparso. Il dolore è un sistema di allerta che non
abbiamo più”. Solo l'arte, grazie al suo potere catartico e ri-creativo, può tagliare legami
anacronistici e fossilizzati, svuotare corpo e mente per riempirli di significato e senso, per
“disegnare la mappa del caos interiore affinché ci guidi verso il cuore delle tenebre”.
Ma un'evoluzione è veramente tale solo se trasmissibile geneticamente, altrimenti resta
un fenomeno circoscritto, destinato a sparire insieme al fenotipo che lo manifesta: il
bambino mangiatore di plastica è nato già con questa singolare "caratteristica
gastronomica" e non l'ha acquisita in seguito; ed è “il primo a essere naturalmente
innaturale”. È uno stadio evolutivo che spaventa, ma è anche atteso epifanicamente da chi
lo sperimenta sul proprio corpo. Accogliere e capire tutto ciò, oppure combattere e
reprimere questo Nuovo Vizio, questi crimini del futuro, con i soliti strumenti spuntati della
fragile legge umana in eterno ritardo?
"Crimes of the Future" non è un inno transumanista, pur essendo una pellicola impregnata
di transumanesimo; o forse non è solo questo: è soprattutto un'ironica presa di coscienza
del lungo cammino intrapreso dall'umanità verso stadi evolutivi inevitabili, verso l'avvento
di una "nuova carne"; c'è ironia perché il tutto avviene in un'atmosfera da talk show, in
diretta sui social (un po' come già facciamo noi nel presente! Se non lo fai sui social
network allora non esisti): un'evoluzione esibizionistica e di fatto, almeno nel film, esibita
come una nuova sanguinolenta forma d'arte; un collettivismo emozionale, in una società
che ha abolito il dolore, che ambisce a divenire credo religioso accettato da tutti, e da tutti
deve essere partecipato. Il Concorso "Bellezza Interiore" a cui Saul Tenser intende
partecipare - dove il termine interiore non è usato per indicare l'animo dell'individuo bensì
proprio le sue interiora - è uno dei culmini di questa ironia.
Il film è delicato ma inconcludente, tant'è che lascerebbe pensare a un sequel che mi
auguro non ci sarà, sia perché non sarebbe nello stile di Cronenberg, sia perché il
messaggio, o i messaggi, anche se poco sviluppato è già autocompiuto. Tra una pandemia e
una guerra, tra problemi d'energia e una sempre più palese chiusura in se stesso, è ancora
di più lecito chiedersi in che cosa si stia trasformando l'essere umano: e bisogna
chiederselo prima che la questione diventi politica, prima che gli industriali ci mettano
definitivamente le mani sopra per trarre profitto da un'evoluzione in parte causata dalle
loro stesse attività.
(recensione pubblicata sul blog "Pomeriggi perduti" di Michele Nigro)
Just watched the movie. Very interesting and thought provoking but I wanted to see more of the world and some loose ends tied up lol. The thing is, I genuinely don’t see how movies like this are financially viable nowadays. This is an extremely niche movie and I can’t see it making much of its budget back, which really means these films are a dying art. In the past movie nerds like me (us) would buy the physical release, make the movie a cult classic and it would make a good bit of it’s money back and some even become very successful with time. Now the films get put on streaming services and make less overall, physical media is harder to find if they release a physical copy at all and this kind of movie only shows in select theaters basically resulting in a loss. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t know how many more of these genuinely interesting and original movies we will have going forward. At least the Cronenbergs can get funding lol.
I love you master
I think Lovecraft would have had some brilliant conversations with him.
Sure. The grown-up Lovecraft though haha. Not the xenophobic one of his younger years.
“He said he was afraid to meet me - I said ‘Marty, you’re the guy who made Taxi Driver, I’m actually afraid to meet you.’” LMFAO
Eating plastic can solve world famine.
It doesn’t get more Cronenberg than that.
4:55 the moment you realize the guy interviewing you really didn't get the movie
Have always enjoyed DC style. Intelligent and probing. Grotesque allure. But Minority Report best captures the possibilities. Look forward to more.
Peace
JF
the Viggo character who practices body harm as performance art made me think of Bob Flanagan. I saw the doc on him (made by Kirby Dick who did other stellar docs).It was very farout what Bob did to his flesh
One of the greatest.
Long live the new flesh 🔪
Listening to this interplay on existentialism is hurting mYy bRraIN!
GGOOOD HHELP MEEE!
Peace
sans JF
The film doesn't seem to be getting a wide release
The more the man ages the more he looks like Vincent price
As a huge Cronenberg fan, I thought the film was incredible, but the ONE detail I didn't quite get an explanation for was why the organs were being formed already TATTOOED or what the tattoos were saying. Did I miss an explanation for why there were words formed on the organs - or was it just left to the audience? I thought it might have been that the "brands" of plastics were "tattooing" themselves on the new organs, but just wasn't 100% sure.
so it was revealed to saul by the new vice detective that timlin(kstew) did them in the style of caprice's work, but i got the sense that the boys father/ everyone else thought that the mother did it? that bit had me a little lost as well
timlin replaced brecken's organs with ones from the registry to hide the fact that he formed the organs necessary to digest plastic
I always believed it was caprice who did the work by request of Saul. Earlier in the film when sauls novel organ is being tattooed for the NOR, Saul jokes about putting American traditional tattoos (MOM, heart w arrow, etc) on the organ, which are the same tattoos the boys organs have. I felt this was something Saul wanted done because he was against, at this point in the movie, allowing the accelerated evolution to finish developing the plastic digestive system, and breckens existence (ie, someone who was born without needing to later develop this system due to its presence in his father) questioned the need to remove the novel growths at all- therefore, tattooing them and making it seem as if breckens father tampered with his son could protect sauls ego (Freudian ego I mean, his sense of self).
Wonder if David has read Spinoza
I believe he prefers Merleau-Ponty.