The people in charge at the CIA are protecting the people in charge in the Senate… Trump said that they are not after me, they are after you. I’m just in the way. And here we have a guy using unnecessarily complex language to try to gaslight you into thinking that everything is fine within the FBI when it’s really not…
Being CIA HR’s rep is a heck of a job. This guy never answers questions, but I think that’s his whole job. He’s not a leaker like Snowden- he’s a company HR rep.
He answers the questions pretty well. These are complex and nuanced answers in which he can't give an answer with 100% confidence. What people are used to are simplified answers that are mostly bs. "yes of course the Trump raid was political" or "no it wasn't Trump is a criminal" real answer is we don't have enough evidence to verify either one of those statements.
It is embarrassing for Rogan to have this guy on over and over. Why not just have the CIA's Public Relations team send over a press release that can be read on air.
Except when he leans towards "but I'm sure trump is guilty of something". Bruh, Trump has had the FBI, CIA, NASA, and probably even the secret service working overtime trying to find dirt. If he was dirty, they'd have SOMETHING by now. Ridiculous.
I do realise this in alot of powerful people especially political figures it work well on regular people, unless your talking to an experienced journalist, I see it used all the time by our prime minister in NZ she either avoids it or trys to talk about something "more important" and making the journalist seem insensitive to "bigger issue's"
This man is brilliant. The exact kinda person the CIA needs. He misdirects, he doesn't answer, he is probably spreading mild disinformation. He's very good In what he does.
@American Heretic , cuz whyy the hell not , if Joe Rogan listened to all the complaints and passive aggressive disses from people like you… then he wouldn’t bring anye guests… matter of fact , no podcast . Call it quits… restart game🤣
Mike Baker: "Trump probably violated classification laws." Mike Baker: "I doubt they have anything they can indict him on." Guy is a two faced rat that can't keep his lies straight in his old age.
He's CIA trained, he knows how to make life and death decisions under pressure, so he bloody well has an opinion on this, but he doesn't want to be in the crossheirs of the law/precedent/constitution defying Dem establishment!
It’s impressive how much this guy holds back on information… he usually finds his words easily in different conversations but if he has to talk real truth about his work he struggles. That tells you a lot about where the truth is.
This guy somehow manages to unite the internet in their opinion of him. He should run for president so his opponent will be someone everyone can get behind.
My next door neighbor is a fat, bloated retiree that BBQ’ and fishes all day, he was a Paramilitary Operations Officer for the CIA and protected world leaders for a living. When I see him I know there is such a thing as “used to be in the CIA”.
Well... its sometimes blue outside, but there can be clouds at certain times, when it could be winter, there might be snow, if summer is coming, then you might get something different.
The way this guy evades even the slightest, remote appearance of giving anything that can be construed as being a rational answer is amazing. It proves his credentials as a company man
He doesn't say anything factual and has no problem speculating or making negative assumptions about Trump while ignoring the Fed's clear political agenda. How ... expected.🤔
Yeah I wonder whether he’s a complete idiot or just a useful one. I dont know why Joe brings him on, he speculates on everything and knows absolutely nothing. I’ve watched them all haha
I don't know why Joe keeps inviting him onto the show. This guy has literally never given an insightful, non-pozzed answer to any question he has ever been asked.
He had to throw some government dumbass I there. This is 100% a political HIT JOB! THE ONLY WAY TO CLEAN UP THE BUREAUCRACY IN DC, IS TO GO TO EACH DEPARTMENT AND WHOLE SALE FIRE EVERYONE FROM THE TOP DOWN 5 LEVELS. THE LEFTS SHOCK TROOPS - ARMED IRS, POSTAL WORKERS, FBI, CIA, ATF AND FEMA SHOULD ALL BE INVESTIGATED/CONVICTED/INPRISONED FOR CRIMES AGAINST AMERICA
@@imperiumoccidentis7351 i notice fbi/irs/cia/msm all give double standards to political families deeply involved with kill iraq/libya in particular when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since mccain-hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0 recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election 1oo george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support = 1. czcams.com/video/nTQ3D1a-j20/video.html 2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria czcams.com/video/_mrJRHwbVG8/video.html current ukraine gov is proxy since obama drew red line just like did in syria earlier arming rebels telling russia not to interfere while zelensky ethnic cleanse donbass region 7y= 2. czcams.com/video/ta9dWRcDUPA/video.html 3. czcams.com/video/IBeRB7rWk_8/video.html
So did I - I read the f**king lawsuit filed by Trump with the FBI statements in writing. This was a political hit job on the current political front runner of the next Presidential election. I don’t want Trump to run, but he’s the Guy at this point. Washington is all Corrupt and needs to reformed.
Was the media, armor and tac teams necessary? Gtfoh. They normally would have served warrant on a billionaire with no priors by casually strolling up to the door, knocking and explaining what in the hell is happening.
Man, did he dance around those questions. And my favorite part. " They're just doing their jobs, they're told this is what we have to do" Where have I heard that before?
Please tell me you are referencing something else, and you aren't actually trying to compare the FBI having a warrant against a billionaire to collect classified documents as being similar to the holocaust?
Normally, I severely dislike these answers. But I respect the hell out of the fact that he can say we don’t know enough yet so let’s not make any final judgment yet. We need more of that today
Joe asks ..."Mike... were you ever an agent for the Central Intelligence Agency?.... " Mike replies..."Joe... You make it sound like a remote event in anchient f'ing history.... You NEVER leave the Agency...."
agreed! But does Joe? I suspect he does and just doesn’t “push back” because he does that a lot with b/s guests. But also, he keeps on having this guy back on like he likes him or believes him or something.
It’s clips like this that Joe loses me & I stop listening to his podcast for a couple weeks, ..the guest is squirming around trying to not answer the question clearly , it’s obviously not an honest answer being so cryptic, why can’t joe see that?! It’s cringe
Lol right... Joe: "Did [Trump] follow the process?" Mike Baker: "Well I don't know... but, based on what's being reported..." haha this is how they keep the sheep satisfied. Lets go off of what the mainstream media script readers are implying without any facts. Idk about you but I got exactly what I expected from this clip
@@jpaltman706 whose money? Whose tune? What a bunch of butthurt babies. You people capitulate on your opinions constantly to realign them with whatever bs Trump has going on. Pitiful and pathetic excuses for people.
@@Mark-ok8ss Most people don’t realize propagandists wears all kinds of masks these days. A “former” CIA guy is definitely the easiest one to spot. I hope more people begin to see through the BS. Stay safe,
Blame it on Rogan. I mean what do you expect? That a former FBI agent is going to spill the beans? Especially when he has friends and colleagues still working in the institution? The point is, that Rogan should stop having guests like this that clearly cant give an answer.
It's clear that he's back, and I think if you really look at the history there you'll confirm that. It's been some time since he was there and he is there again which also supports the idea that he is back, and I don't think you'd be remiss to say that it actually confirms it. Let me caveat that by misusing the expression, and do note that there are arguments in some quarters that his being back is subject to review and could be clarified, in retrospect, once things are a bit more clear.
I’m surprised it hasn’t crossed your mind that such questions aren’t easy to answer, and they should definitely not be answered directly. Anyone who does so, clearly aren’t honest in their assessment of the situation that the question is about. Usually, it takes a whole book to answer a question satisfyingly, and still, it might not be sufficient.
@@jaycourtel4478 my comment wasn't even about defending “a CIA operative”. This applies to nearly all complex and difficult questions, especially societal questions. That said, I'm glad there's an intelligence agency like the CIA, they have many times provided my nation with crucial intelligence. If it weren't for them, there'd be a lot more tragic events in my home country.
What he should have said is that the people at the bottom are just doing their job, what needs to be done is to find out the name on the top of that authorization list and get them in front of a camera and microphone. If the White House didn't know what was going on, that's probably a problem and that probably should be investigated too.
Whats wrong with "stop knee-jerking and wait until we have the facts b!tch". Dunno it seems that people want to find meaning in everything, but maybe the world is so complicated that its devoid of meaning.
Nah he literally said he doesn't know because it's speculation. Just say you're a Trump fanboy and are disappointed because he didn't say what you wanted lol.
How is there a "process" for declassifying documents. He's the president, he is literally the head of the executive branch. If he says it's declassified, it's declassified. What bureaucratic "process" has more power than the president when it comes to this?
Getting those "nuclear" documents was so important to the DOJ that they waited 565 days after Trump was out of office and 92 days before midterms to do it.
It’s not just nuclear documents. And besides yes it took the archivists that long to figure out the documents were missing. Do you have any idea how much paperwork the executive office creates on a daily basis? Trump did hand some stuff over in the beginning, to be fair, as the archivists and DOJ were going through the stuff, they discovered that there was still more missing. Memos and documents would mention other memos and documents that weren’t accounted for.
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@@UltraSaltyDomer1776 I'm sure Mike may be a little more straightforward off camera, but I think it ultimately comes down to Joe thinks Mike is cool because he's a retired CIA spook and that's why brings him on.
guy basically said he doesn't know. he even mentioned the fact this is unsatisfying for people eventho it's often realistic immediately after soemthing happens, and still you choose to make him out to be like a politician.
Indeed. He said nothing if substance and all his words we're trying to make us believe the deep state doesn't exist. "I know some fbi guys and they are all good guys etc."
Its amazing to watch someone expend massive amounts of energy to say absolutely nothing.... I suspect it's a skill learned by all top level people in the intelligence agencies.
@@melissak8892 i notice fbi/irs/cia/msm all give double standards to political families deeply involved with kill iraq/libya in particular when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since mccain-hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0 recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election 1oo george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support = 1. czcams.com/video/nTQ3D1a-j20/video.html 2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria czcams.com/video/_mrJRHwbVG8/video.html current ukraine gov is proxy since obama drew red line just like did in syria earlier arming rebels telling russia not to interfere while zelensky ethnic cleanse donbass region 7y= 2. czcams.com/video/ta9dWRcDUPA/video.html 3. czcams.com/video/IBeRB7rWk_8/video.html
He answered the question, you just don’t want to hear it. He basically said, that he thinks Trump didn’t follow the “rules” because he doesn’t think they apply to him. There’s no way to know how serious it was without seeing the classified documents. That he knows people at the ground floor at the FBI who he trusts. There’s no way to be sure without the full affidavit how justified it was, but sounds like he’s leaning that way. It’s really a reasonable take from someone on the outside. We know they’ve been trying to get this stuff back from him. We know he already turned over a bunch of classified documents that he shouldn’t have kept. (Pretty sure him just removing them was a crime) While Trump could have declassified all of it, it would be clear if he did because the documents wouldn’t be labeled as classified or sensitive anymore. Again , I don’t think he’s capable of respecting processes, laws, or rules. I think it’s clear that he’s committed a crime, the only debate is about if it’s worth charging him. Trump should answer the big question, why did he want to keep this stuff so bad?
Hahaha now you both think trump broke the law says who? The leak information? I didn't know fbi can leak so much information 😂. I thought fbi can't leak information during an Investigation? You guys are full of shit haha haha. What happen to the nuke codes? That was a lie too? Biden is scared because his stupid ass policy turning USA to a shit hole and Biden is scared of trump.
@@MihailLevelingUp because the judge would not have signed the warrant needed to conduct the search (especially on such a high profile individual) without a solid affidavit. Can you really not place any blame on Trump here? At best he did something minor that he shouldn’t have done and when asked to rectify the situation, he pussyfooted around giving some but not all the documents. At worst, he knowingly took classified information and kept hiding some of it regardless of the DOJ asking him to cooperate. Those two, and everything in between, should yield different levels of punishment but at the end of the day. Trump did something wrong and didn’t fully cooperate to fix it. If that happens to you or me, we would have already been in court or jail. Do you want the elites to be treated differently? Or is that argument only made for people whom you don’t like?
After the first 2 minutes I had a feeling he was going to go on and on yet talk about absolutely nothing. Went straight to the comments and thankfully everyone confirmed it. Saved me about 10 minutes. Thanks Guys!
"The unsatisfying answer is you gotta wait and see exactly what happened to see if it's justified or not, but nobody wants to hear that." He said that, but yeah aside from the obvious irony of the manner he was saying it in, he didn't say much else of substance.
It's amazing how people bring on these bureaucrats and expect them to give honest answers about the bureaucracy they still hold security clearances with
4 people wrote in this chain only 2 showing. Sorry, I feel I must write like a spaz in order to not have my txt banished by the duecube overlords. Probably fail but we must keep trying. Or not I've just about gave up on this godforsaken platform.
You're used to being around people whose words have no consequences and who can afford to shoot their mouth off. Mike Baker isn't from that world. That's why you feel that way.
Any recent affiliation of the CIA automatically means he's a deep state cuck of the DNC. All current DOJ, FBI, CIA affiliations are DNC pawns. Don't believe a word they say. If they speak any actual truths with evidence, they'll be dead soon. If they live without assassination attempts, they were lying.
@@mirek1178 Joe conforms to whatever his guest's pov is to get them comfortable enough to talk for 3 hours. I've never known him to take hard stances on anything that isn't fighting
@@mirek1178 In my opinion, which is worth nothing but whatever: Joe Rogan has been talked to by someone within the government or whatever and told to either play ball or lose his podcast. Why do I think that's the case? because I've listened to every single podcast he's had (even the one's he has taken down that I wish I had saved) and his stance has not only flip-flopped, but he's been extremely aggressive and combative towards anyone who brings up CRT, Anti-Woke crap, and anything else that might seem to be close to "alt-right" from his guests. While I wish it was him trying to be honest and show how well thought out and correct the "alt-right" really is by letting them say their defense, what it comes off as is entirely different and he seems to be trying everything he can to appease the left in any way possible. JR has bent the knee to the left, and I don't think it's because he moved to Texas, even if Austin is basically mini-california at this point. God I hate what Texas has become...don't even get me started on this country, because in my 30 years on this earth, i've seen shit I never thought I'd see in America.
He literally answers the question in a long convoluted way, but he answered it. I’m convinced everybody saying this must have a hard time understanding the English language and double speaking
The more he tries to explain how it’s possible Air was justified, the less likely I think it was. He’s really searching for anything that might justify what the FBI did
They literally walked in and grabbed some fucking boxes. Stop acting like they went in guns blazing and blew the place up. He could’ve given back the fucking boxes, he didn’t, so they went and grabbed them themselves. I find it funny that everyone still believes in this prick while he does everything he can to stop documents relating to Jan 6th to come out and now is trying to block the documents found at Mar A Lago from coming out. Don’t you want transparency?
Joe - "Hey Mike are you hungry?" Mike - "well the thing about being hungry, is that it's actually the mind being fooled into thinking there needs to be food present to make the body happy. In actuality, hunger is really a psychological thing that can easily be turned off, with years of retraining of course." Joe- "........."
He is a dope that doesn’t have the ability to answer a question. He thinks saying a bunch of words answers the question. WTF & why does Joe keep having this dope on?
People who are saying that he is evading the first question that Joe asked need to consider studying English in college. He's saying it's a self-inflicted wound by Trump. He's therefore basically saying that he thinks it's justified. He's putting the blame on Trump. If he was to put the blame on the FBI then he would be saying no it's not justified.
@AustinHalo There's a Timcast podcast where he talks about the Twitter (Elon) bot issue. He also gives examples of how to ID the bots. You should review that content try to out the bots on your favorite sites. Fun for all.
lol asking the cia about the fbi is like calling the kettle black. they got no business attacking or talking about the fbi when they're probably worse.
It's not fraction! The whole damn department is rotten to the core, and should be dismantled! Along with all the other alphabet agencies that exist currently!..smfh...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
It is actually impressive how this guy manages to speak for hours without saying anything.
Seriously man. He thinks he has to know everything since he has his CIA past.
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Yep he’s true to form, engaging, serious, chatty, but says absolutely nothing. It’s a skill.
Yup
I’m much more interested in Ghislaine Maxwell’s list rather than Trumps documents.
The people in charge at the CIA are protecting the people in charge in the Senate… Trump said that they are not after me, they are after you. I’m just in the way. And here we have a guy using unnecessarily complex language to try to gaslight you into thinking that everything is fine within the FBI when it’s really not…
Also Hillary’s emails
He's part of the list
😂 yes
@@sfdko3291 if so let's find out.
Being CIA HR’s rep is a heck of a job. This guy never answers questions, but I think that’s his whole job. He’s not a leaker like Snowden- he’s a company HR rep.
Which is precisely why he chooses the Joe Rogan experience to spread his dishonest b.s……… and why Joe Rogan keeps having him back
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He answers the questions pretty well. These are complex and nuanced answers in which he can't give an answer with 100% confidence. What people are used to are simplified answers that are mostly bs. "yes of course the Trump raid was political" or "no it wasn't Trump is a criminal" real answer is we don't have enough evidence to verify either one of those statements.
dude answer every question, he precise in his answer, but joe couldn't quite get his replies
“That doesn’t really answer your question I’ve just been talking in circles.”
Thanks for being honest for once, Mike.
It shocked me when se said it so bluntly that i laughed
As a company man it has been beaten into him to never give a straight answer lmao
czcams.com/video/-md6CQHx2-E/video.html it is really funny how its all add up.
It is embarrassing for Rogan to have this guy on over and over. Why not just have the CIA's Public Relations team send over a press release that can be read on air.
Lol cry
Hehehehe...true
Isn't that the white house press secretary's job? 🤔
Literally.
This guy is the CIA PR. hahaha
This is the guy who talks and talks and talks and says: "Nothing at all".
At all...just rambling!
Except when he leans towards "but I'm sure trump is guilty of something".
Bruh, Trump has had the FBI, CIA, NASA, and probably even the secret service working overtime trying to find dirt. If he was dirty, they'd have SOMETHING by now. Ridiculous.
you have identified why he was recruited.
I do realise this in alot of powerful people especially political figures it work well on regular people, unless your talking to an experienced journalist, I see it used all the time by our prime minister in NZ she either avoids it or trys to talk about something "more important" and making the journalist seem insensitive to "bigger issue's"
He’s been on the show 10 times already and it’s pathetic
This man is brilliant. The exact kinda person the CIA needs. He misdirects, he doesn't answer, he is probably spreading mild disinformation. He's very good In what he does.
He did answer. He said he didn't know without seeing the affidavit. He just the give the answer you Trump worshipping bootlickers wanted.
And Joe Rogan platforms him. Why is that?
He's very good at sounding like an idiot is what I think you meant to say.
@American Heretic , cuz whyy the hell not , if Joe Rogan listened to all the complaints and passive aggressive disses from people like you… then he wouldn’t bring anye guests… matter of fact , no podcast . Call it quits… restart game🤣
"I've spent a long time talking in circles."
That sums this up perfectly.
“I just spent a lot of time talking in circles”
-Mike Baker | CIA
Mike Baker: "Trump probably violated classification laws."
Mike Baker: "I doubt they have anything they can indict him on."
Guy is a two faced rat that can't keep his lies straight in his old age.
@Merina Joy🔞 no bot
The water is murky in the swamp...
He's CIA trained, he knows how to make life and death decisions under pressure, so he bloody well has an opinion on this, but he doesn't want to be in the crossheirs of the law/precedent/constitution defying Dem establishment!
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Asking CIA if something is “justified” lol
@lets go brandon good gods, you bots are blowing these comment sections up with the phishing links
Luckily we dont need to ask the CIA we can see and think for our selves it was justified
@@xEvilRaptorx russia sucks USA beat russians like you
@@aaronjmet it was not justified
@@troymcclure681 how in the hell did you come to that conclusion?
It’s impressive how much this guy holds back on information… he usually finds his words easily in different conversations but if he has to talk real truth about his work he struggles. That tells you a lot about where the truth is.
We see it and not Joe b s Joe
if you listen reaally reaallyyy carefully you would kinda figure out what he’s actually saying
This guy somehow manages to unite the internet in their opinion of him. He should run for president so his opponent will be someone everyone can get behind.
Ah yes the man that knows everything & nothing at the same time
Ugh...not this guy again. The establishment guy.
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Insane that joe wants him on when he does the same run around
Gosh I rolled my eyes when I saw his name....lemme hear what he really has to tell us...
Exactly.
There’s no such thing as a “former” CIA agent…
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I tell everyone this
Bet
I like how everyone feels the need to comment this as if they're some higher being with inside information lol
My next door neighbor is a fat, bloated retiree that BBQ’ and fishes all day, he was a Paramilitary Operations Officer for the CIA and protected world leaders for a living. When I see him I know there is such a thing as “used to be in the CIA”.
Could you imagine asking this guy what the weather is like outside?
Well... its sometimes blue outside, but there can be clouds at certain times, when it could be winter, there might be snow, if summer is coming, then you might get something different.
The way this guy evades even the slightest, remote appearance of giving anything that can be construed as being a rational answer is amazing. It proves his credentials as a company man
Every time I hear him beat around the bush on certain sensitive subjects, the more I'm convinced that this man still works for the CIA.
You never stop working for the CIA.
@@DennisMoore664 you can’t get jumped out a/k/a killed like any other gang?
This man is so annoying because he literally doesn't answer fundamental questions Joe asks, definitely a trained CIA lapdog
You're never really out of the CIA.
You never leave the CIA
With the history of the CIA, I have great hesitation in giving credibility to anything any of it's agents, current or former, say.
"former" cia
Are you a russian? Only anti american russians would say that
Fb i spooks of Biden Regime will go after opposition
They're never former
@@carloscjr23 exactly
You can tell by the way he's answering the questions that he knows the truth, but unwilling to acknowledge it. Good thing now we have the affidavit!
Lol as if it's not redacted into oblivion
@@gb342002 the question to still be answered was why did trump want possession of this material
Joe should ask him Yes or No question only 🤣
This guy is still on the payroll. I've felt that way for many years.
czcams.com/video/aKHELjbBqYg/video.html is finally here
He doesn't say anything factual and has no problem speculating or making negative assumptions about Trump while ignoring the Fed's clear political agenda.
How ... expected.🤔
Even if he’s not on the payroll, he dare not say the wrong things I imagine because “accidents happen”.
True- they get a special retirement pay from the government- shut the f* up money.
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This guy reminds me of the old Soviet mantra, "admit nothing, deny everything."🤦♂️😂
Damn, my ex girlfriend had the same mindset.
That’s Donald Trumps life story😂😂😂
Trump did what every other president does but it’s bad bc trump did it I hate JRE is just moron
Yeah I wonder whether he’s a complete idiot or just a useful one. I dont know why Joe brings him on, he speculates on everything and knows absolutely nothing. I’ve watched them all haha
Once a spook ...never to be trusted.
I wish they could update this with all the info that’s out now.
It' speaks volumes about how much BS this man comes up with. The amount of non answers definitely leads me to believe he used to be a CIA agent....
Why does Joe think he is ever going to get an honest answer out of a CIA agent? Lmao 🤣
I don't know why Joe keeps inviting him onto the show. This guy has literally never given an insightful, non-pozzed answer to any question he has ever been asked.
He had to throw some government dumbass I there.
This is 100% a political HIT JOB!
THE ONLY WAY TO CLEAN UP THE BUREAUCRACY IN DC, IS TO GO TO EACH DEPARTMENT AND WHOLE SALE FIRE EVERYONE FROM THE TOP DOWN 5 LEVELS.
THE LEFTS SHOCK TROOPS - ARMED IRS, POSTAL WORKERS, FBI, CIA, ATF AND FEMA SHOULD ALL BE INVESTIGATED/CONVICTED/INPRISONED FOR CRIMES AGAINST AMERICA
The Left knows how to utilize the media and propaganda. 2+2=5. From Trump is a criminal to X-women are women.
@@imperiumoccidentis7351 i notice fbi/irs/cia/msm all give double standards to political families deeply involved with kill iraq/libya in particular
when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since mccain-hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0
recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election 1oo
george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support =
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2001 pentagon memo kill occupy iraq to syria
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current ukraine gov is proxy since obama drew red line just like did in syria earlier arming rebels telling russia not to interfere while zelensky ethnic cleanse donbass region 7y=
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Joe should know better, at least there is a conversation lol
5:27 spot on. This guy is a master of talking without saying anything and he just admitted it.
Haha yup!
I bet if you ask Joe to explain what that CIA agent told him... He couldn't. What we got was a barrage of words but no substance.
@yo either a bot or someone just pasting in every comment they can....
Good call
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He sounds like a politician as well! Talks in circles.
Mike essentially said "let me circle back"!
We can find out the truth we just need to wait 50 years for it to be declassified... Spoken like a true "former" CIA officer...
Declassified, and heavily redacted.
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Yeah because he can just give out classified information lol
@@mikehunt6160 Nobody is asking him for classified information. He literally has no information at all
“I know a number of guys who worked at the FBI, and they are solid guys.”
I quickly turned it off right there.
Are you stupid enough to believe there isn't good people that solved horrific crimes within the FBI?
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Yeah, cause there's not a single half decent person in the FBI, none of the 36 thousand people working there. Of course, bro.
"Solid guys" is code word for "solidly corrupt".
So did I - I read the f**king lawsuit filed by Trump with the FBI statements in writing. This was a political hit job on the current political front runner of the next Presidential election. I don’t want Trump to run, but he’s the Guy at this point. Washington is all
Corrupt and needs to reformed.
trumps investigation is going faster than my tax return.
He should be a press secretary
The art of saying something without saying anything great job mike
urmuwears army bootdeau
So fu*king true
Exactly what I came to say
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"It doesn't really answer your question. I just spent a lot of time talking in circles."
- Mike Baker, 'former' CIA Officer
That was the only substantial thing he said.
Not a raid, a legally executed search warrant.
Still a raid
Was the media, armor and tac teams necessary? Gtfoh. They normally would have served warrant on a billionaire with no priors by casually strolling up to the door, knocking and explaining what in the hell is happening.
He’s too good this guy has this shit down to a science lol 3 minutes into it and I forgot what the original question even was 😂
This guy was going around in circles more than an obsessed Dog!
Yes, Trained not to answer a question directly
Every time. Every time this clown is on, it’s the same dog and ponie show. There’s so many more people Joe could have on.
@@heffe4257 Go back to reddit meme boy *pony
This was a nonsense interview
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30 seconds with this guy feels like a year.
😂😂😂
Literally went on Facebook with this in the background checked and replied to my whole feed and came back and it's only 28 secs in 😐
I felt my IQ dropping with every passing buffooned onerous word coming out of his mouth.
...even at 2x
Omgosh!! I know! 🤣
Man, did he dance around those questions. And my favorite part. " They're just doing their jobs, they're told this is what we have to do"
Where have I heard that before?
"Get in the cattle car. Hey, don't look at me like that; I'm just doing my job."
Everywhere, because that's what every single person with a job does.
Please tell me you are referencing something else, and you aren't actually trying to compare the FBI having a warrant against a billionaire to collect classified documents as being similar to the holocaust?
Normally, I severely dislike these answers. But I respect the hell out of the fact that he can say we don’t know enough yet so let’s not make any final judgment yet. We need more of that today
It's refreshing to see everyone sees through this guy
Joe asks ..."Mike... were you ever an agent for the Central Intelligence Agency?.... "
Mike replies..."Joe... You make it sound like a remote event in anchient f'ing history.... You NEVER leave the Agency...."
agreed! But does Joe? I suspect he does and just doesn’t “push back” because he does that a lot with b/s guests. But also, he keeps on having this guy back on like he likes him or believes him or something.
It’s clips like this that Joe loses me & I stop listening to his podcast for a couple weeks, ..the guest is squirming around trying to not answer the question clearly , it’s obviously not an honest answer being so cryptic, why can’t joe see that?! It’s cringe
But the guy has Joe so groomed not even Chris Hansen could save him
He's probably one of the "former intelligence officers" that signed the letter calling the Hunter Biden laptop "Russian Disinformation".
Good idea. Ask for an honest answer from the goddamn CIA lol
Lol 🎯
Lol right... Joe: "Did [Trump] follow the process?" Mike Baker: "Well I don't know... but, based on what's being reported..." haha this is how they keep the sheep satisfied. Lets go off of what the mainstream media script readers are implying without any facts. Idk about you but I got exactly what I expected from this clip
Yup. It sucks. Rogan took the money. Now he dances to their tune.
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@@jpaltman706 whose money?
Whose tune? What a bunch of butthurt babies. You people capitulate on your opinions constantly to realign them with whatever bs Trump has going on. Pitiful and pathetic excuses for people.
You do not want Gavin Newsome as President.
Love that he’s sporting a “Big Head Todd” T-shirt. Great band, even better live. Give ‘em a listen ✌️
It's nice to see Joe's CIA handler stop by and explain everything 🤣🤣🤣
Lol no doubt
Attempted handler... Most difficult clown job to date.
Thanks Ray…awesome comment! Made my day😁
anytime anything significant happens he gets a appearance on jre to tell everybody exactly what we “need to know”
Yeah, Joe's pretty much a gatekeeper now on certain things. Sad.
I’m too old now, to sit thru this guy’s never ending non answers to simple questions.
I went from a clean shave to a full beard by the time he got done saying nothing.
The FBI perpetuates What they want
There's no point in even listening to this podcast. Everything the CIA guy says is a lie.
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So many people in the world fighting every day to make it better and Joe Rogan puts on this man 3 times....
He said the people I know at the beura is quality people LMFAO 🤣
This guy never dissapoints to painfully explain whats already been reported by the msm.
Its his job to propagandize to the subculture.
Because he's not saying what you want him to say?
@@Mark-ok8ss Most people don’t realize propagandists wears all kinds of masks these days. A “former” CIA guy is definitely the easiest one to spot.
I hope more people begin to see through the BS.
Stay safe,
@@Ngcarson1337 stay safe? Can everyone stop with this piece of BS now please.
So you know everything that's going on with the case? I seriously would like to know. I'm curious.
Finally he's back, the guy who talks a lot but says nothing.
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Blame it on Rogan. I mean what do you expect? That a former FBI agent is going to spill the beans? Especially when he has friends and colleagues still working in the institution? The point is, that Rogan should stop having guests like this that clearly cant give an answer.
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It's clear that he's back, and I think if you really look at the history there you'll confirm that. It's been some time since he was there and he is there again which also supports the idea that he is back, and I don't think you'd be remiss to say that it actually confirms it. Let me caveat that by misusing the expression, and do note that there are arguments in some quarters that his being back is subject to review and could be clarified, in retrospect, once things are a bit more clear.
Is it me or us this guy completely walked around that question and thought really hard about what he said?
He gave zero specifics, because he's just as clueless as the rest of us.
You can tell he's really watching what he's saying 😆.
Mike's incredible. About 3 times on Joe's podcast and not a single direct question answered.
I’m surprised it hasn’t crossed your mind that such questions aren’t easy to answer, and they should definitely not be answered directly. Anyone who does so, clearly aren’t honest in their assessment of the situation that the question is about. Usually, it takes a whole book to answer a question satisfyingly, and still, it might not be sufficient.
You should go into Mike’s line of work. You have a knack for bullshit wordweaving. He’s very foot at his job
@@zwcdamien Imagine defending a CIA operative lol pathetic
@@jaycourtel4478 my comment wasn't even about defending “a CIA operative”. This applies to nearly all complex and difficult questions, especially societal questions. That said, I'm glad there's an intelligence agency like the CIA, they have many times provided my nation with crucial intelligence. If it weren't for them, there'd be a lot more tragic events in my home country.
@@zwcdamien Wow! A real Russian Troll!
This guy has what it takes to become a politician, he knows how to talk his way around a question
How was he supposed to answer? He clearly said the raid was warranted or not depending on what documents he had. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
No shit he’s CIA
What he should have said is that the people at the bottom are just doing their job, what needs to be done is to find out the name on the top of that authorization list and get them in front of a camera and microphone. If the White House didn't know what was going on, that's probably a problem and that probably should be investigated too.
Whats wrong with "stop knee-jerking and wait until we have the facts b!tch". Dunno it seems that people want to find meaning in everything, but maybe the world is so complicated that its devoid of meaning.
Nah he literally said he doesn't know because it's speculation. Just say you're a Trump fanboy and are disappointed because he didn't say what you wanted lol.
How is there a "process" for declassifying documents. He's the president, he is literally the head of the executive branch. If he says it's declassified, it's declassified. What bureaucratic "process" has more power than the president when it comes to this?
Right, this guy is pretending that the president has to get permission from someone below him to declassify a document. Lmao. Absurd
I thought that was Vince McMahon from the thumbnail bro
Getting those "nuclear" documents was so important to the DOJ that they waited 565 days after Trump was out of office and 92 days before midterms to do it.
Get this first. Now.
@Brian Beatty I don't think you know how rights work lol
@Brian Beatty That would require there to be nuclear codes or nuclear documents there at all. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
It’s not just nuclear documents. And besides yes it took the archivists that long to figure out the documents were missing. Do you have any idea how much paperwork the executive office creates on a daily basis? Trump did hand some stuff over in the beginning, to be fair, as the archivists and DOJ were going through the stuff, they discovered that there was still more missing. Memos and documents would mention other memos and documents that weren’t accounted for.
Found the leftist. Lol
Please Joe, enough with the feds and goons
This guy is glowing.
Ok Trump goon.
@@doublestarships646 Cry, cultist.
@@doublestarships646 what?
Self selection that f's us over. Well put!
This is haw you have a meaningful conversation, without saying a damn thing of any importance.
#salute
Mike Baker Bike Maker; The Great Equivocator: the man who makes a living from saying absolutely nothing.
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Cmon he spits out tons of propaganda
Yup!!!
EXACTLY
I still don't understand why JR keeps bringing this guy in. He's such a bullshitter.
Oh great the king of saying a lot of nothing is back.
That's what i was thinking and he doesn't disappoint 😂
I recall someone taking furniture and other stuff on they way out
I just been talking in circles 😂
Mike finally broke down and admitted he talks in circles and says nothing… Joe just stares in awe and asks more questions lol
You’re butt hurt because he isn’t saying what you want to hear
@@ManningOWNsTeboww he didn't say anything
@@ManningOWNsTeboww People want things to be black and white
@@mattf3873 👆That's a Bot I think. That account is on EVERY comment thread for this video with that EXACT same comment they never say anything different they're just trying to generate division and argument just so you're aware. I can't stand all the shil games that get played on BoobTube.👉💂🤖👈🙄😒🤷♂️
@@ManningOWNsTeboww you're delusional
Once again, a 12 minute response that skips around a truthful answer from yours truly, Mike Baker
Joe Rogan's CIA handler
Does Joe like having circular conversations. He has to know this guy is saying nothing and is a waste of time to talk to.
@@UltraSaltyDomer1776 I'm sure Mike may be a little more straightforward off camera, but I think it ultimately comes down to Joe thinks Mike is cool because he's a retired CIA spook and that's why brings him on.
guy basically said he doesn't know. he even mentioned the fact this is unsatisfying for people eventho it's often realistic immediately after soemthing happens, and still you choose to make him out to be like a politician.
Yeah, JR puts too much stock in this guy.
It's like watching a politician speak
The right question is that "has any other president treated in this way by intelligence and justice department?"
Has anyone watched the clip yet? I’m assuming mike baker says words with no substance per usual?
Indeed. He said nothing if substance and all his words we're trying to make us believe the deep state doesn't exist.
"I know some fbi guys and they are all good guys etc."
He didn’t know much or pretended he didn’t know much. Said “THEY WERE JUST DOING THEIR JOB” 🤦♂️
Yes he did but admitted to it at the end.
Guess he didn't know Peter Strozk, Lisa Page, Comey, Wray, or Mueller. Or....he's a liar.
The only liar is Donald Trump, even his dad hated him lol
@@Chrisinsocal Thanks for telling us you dont care about why, just that you hate Trump.
Exactly. What did Strozk say, "I'll stop him from being president"? Clearly politicized and that was all the proof we needed to blow the lid.
'The process is the punishment'
What a great performance from Mr. Baker, on this episode of Dancing with the Stars. 🤐
Its amazing to watch someone expend massive amounts of energy to say absolutely nothing.... I suspect it's a skill learned by all top level people in the intelligence agencies.
Mike Baker was a simple CIA Intel officer, not a high ranking position at all....
Joe has acquired the same skill. He goes on long rants and contributes nothing to the conversation. He uses it as filler.
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Not hard to do. One of my annoying coworkers does this sh*t to kill time
Yes
Joe Rogan: Was the raid justified?
Mike Baker: Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no
Hahaha I'm at that point now. 😄
@@melissak8892 i notice fbi/irs/cia/msm all give double standards to political families deeply involved with kill iraq/libya in particular
when muller charge manafort for things nothing to do with russia hack but let podesta go for same reason =blackmail dc to support blame russia to cover up fact 2 party system failed since mccain-hillary all did united fruit company scandal 2.0
recall fbi never look at physical evidence just crowdstrike/hillary words, cia break glass 2017 inauguration with media claim russia stolen election 1oo
george bush 14y ago said add ukraine to nato foreshadow nuland f eu coup 2014 support =
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It’s the best way to describe it
A “self-inflicted wound”? JFC, this dude is a Gov stooge.
What president makes "a few hundred million dollars on a book"?
This guy is good. He can answer a question without answering the question.
He answered the question, you just don’t want to hear it. He basically said, that he thinks Trump didn’t follow the “rules” because he doesn’t think they apply to him. There’s no way to know how serious it was without seeing the classified documents. That he knows people at the ground floor at the FBI who he trusts. There’s no way to be sure without the full affidavit how justified it was, but sounds like he’s leaning that way.
It’s really a reasonable take from someone on the outside. We know they’ve been trying to get this stuff back from him. We know he already turned over a bunch of classified documents that he shouldn’t have kept. (Pretty sure him just removing them was a crime) While Trump could have declassified all of it, it would be clear if he did because the documents wouldn’t be labeled as classified or sensitive anymore. Again , I don’t think he’s capable of respecting processes, laws, or rules. I think it’s clear that he’s committed a crime, the only debate is about if it’s worth charging him. Trump should answer the big question, why did he want to keep this stuff so bad?
Right in the beginning he didn't read the affidavit so how can he say he thinks trump didn't follow the rules. 😂 this guy is a joke
Hahaha now you both think trump broke the law says who? The leak information? I didn't know fbi can leak so much information 😂. I thought fbi can't leak information during an Investigation? You guys are full of shit haha haha. What happen to the nuke codes? That was a lie too? Biden is scared because his stupid ass policy turning USA to a shit hole and Biden is scared of trump.
Trump 2024 and hunter will go to jail with Biden.
@@MihailLevelingUp because the judge would not have signed the warrant needed to conduct the search (especially on such a high profile individual) without a solid affidavit. Can you really not place any blame on Trump here? At best he did something minor that he shouldn’t have done and when asked to rectify the situation, he pussyfooted around giving some but not all the documents. At worst, he knowingly took classified information and kept hiding some of it regardless of the DOJ asking him to cooperate. Those two, and everything in between, should yield different levels of punishment but at the end of the day. Trump did something wrong and didn’t fully cooperate to fix it. If that happens to you or me, we would have already been in court or jail. Do you want the elites to be treated differently? Or is that argument only made for people whom you don’t like?
After the first 2 minutes I had a feeling he was going to go on and on yet talk about absolutely nothing. Went straight to the comments and thankfully everyone confirmed it.
Saved me about 10 minutes. Thanks Guys!
"The unsatisfying answer is you gotta wait and see exactly what happened to see if it's justified or not, but nobody wants to hear that."
He said that, but yeah aside from the obvious irony of the manner he was saying it in, he didn't say much else of substance.
And thank you for saving me even having to read too many comments! 👍
Copy. I'm just a minute in, did the same thing. I think I'll skip the rest.
Same 🤣
Same
Either I'm really high...or something about this snippet feels like they are just avoiding talking about something
I need 12:50 of my life back please
It's amazing how people bring on these bureaucrats and expect them to give honest answers about the bureaucracy they still hold security clearances with
He's not a bureaucrats , he's worse. He's a freaking shill who makes money off the culture war.
take anything he says with a grain of salt... he's a former cia officer... a trained professional liar
Like he's supposed ti
He's just a retired CIA agent specializing in public disinformation rhetoric, not a bureaucrat, and no security clearances... no reason to lie.
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Mike Baker is always so careful. I just feel like there is something very ingenuine about him. Anyone else feel this way too?
Yeah he’s “ex-CIA”
yeah he's full of shit...false confidence, no substance. A politician, basically :)
You're used to being around people whose words have no consequences and who can afford to shoot their mouth off.
Mike Baker isn't from that world. That's why you feel that way.
Any recent affiliation of the CIA automatically means he's a deep state cuck of the DNC. All current DOJ, FBI, CIA affiliations are DNC pawns. Don't believe a word they say. If they speak any actual truths with evidence, they'll be dead soon.
If they live without assassination attempts, they were lying.
Dahhhh
The one thing I love about joe is even when it’s a party he does not follow or agree with,support etc he will always call bull wharf he smells it.
Timing of this guy appearing on his podcast is just perfect 👌
Is joe becoming more left since moving to Texas? I don’t understand his trump stances recently.
@@mirek1178 Joe conforms to whatever his guest's pov is to get them comfortable enough to talk for 3 hours. I've never known him to take hard stances on anything that isn't fighting
@@mirek1178 In my opinion, which is worth nothing but whatever: Joe Rogan has been talked to by someone within the government or whatever and told to either play ball or lose his podcast. Why do I think that's the case? because I've listened to every single podcast he's had (even the one's he has taken down that I wish I had saved) and his stance has not only flip-flopped, but he's been extremely aggressive and combative towards anyone who brings up CRT, Anti-Woke crap, and anything else that might seem to be close to "alt-right" from his guests. While I wish it was him trying to be honest and show how well thought out and correct the "alt-right" really is by letting them say their defense, what it comes off as is entirely different and he seems to be trying everything he can to appease the left in any way possible. JR has bent the knee to the left, and I don't think it's because he moved to Texas, even if Austin is basically mini-california at this point. God I hate what Texas has become...don't even get me started on this country, because in my 30 years on this earth, i've seen shit I never thought I'd see in America.
@@SynysterCondom So basically a fence-sitting cuck is what Joe Rogan is.
Have to quell the masses, this government might be brash but it ain’t stupid.
This guy is professional at answering the question without actually doing it…
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Very annoying
Hes a plant
Bullshit man
He literally answers the question in a long convoluted way, but he answered it. I’m convinced everybody saying this must have a hard time understanding the English language and double speaking
Transparency and US government don't belong in the same sentence 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The more he tries to explain how it’s possible Air was justified, the less likely I think it was. He’s really searching for anything that might justify what the FBI did
“They’re just doing their jobs”
Never heard that excuse before
Says every war criminal in human history LOL
Yeah police lol
They literally walked in and grabbed some fucking boxes. Stop acting like they went in guns blazing and blew the place up. He could’ve given back the fucking boxes, he didn’t, so they went and grabbed them themselves. I find it funny that everyone still believes in this prick while he does everything he can to stop documents relating to Jan 6th to come out and now is trying to block the documents found at Mar A Lago from coming out. Don’t you want transparency?
They weren’t doing the jobs. They were abusing their authority, just as they have for the past 6 years when it comes to trump.
@@jjcoola998 it was a reference to the third reich
Joe - "Hey Mike are you hungry?"
Mike - "well the thing about being hungry, is that it's actually the mind being fooled into thinking there needs to be food present to make the body happy. In actuality, hunger is really a psychological thing that can easily be turned off, with years of retraining of course."
Joe- "........."
So *are you hungry?!?*
Y’know, I suspect that we’ll have to wait until after I’ve eaten to find out the answer to that.
Joe - *Asking 12 IQ questions like some ex CIA agent is just gonna say the truth that this was clearly political - based on the given data.*
😂🤣😂
😂😂😂
Former CIA guy Marc Polymeroplous is way better for information
Mike: "well, ya know, nobody is above the law"
Im glad I ran through the comments before listening to this.
There's no such thing as former CIA
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The guy says that the American public never gets a lot of clarification but at the same time answers every question with no clarification. 🤡😂
He is a dope that doesn’t have the ability to answer a question. He thinks saying a bunch of words answers the question. WTF & why does Joe keep having this dope on?
People who are saying that he is evading the first question that Joe asked need to consider studying English in college. He's saying it's a self-inflicted wound by Trump. He's therefore basically saying that he thinks it's justified. He's putting the blame on Trump. If he was to put the blame on the FBI then he would be saying no it's not justified.
Exactly. The MAGAts are just crying because they thought the CIA guy was gonna defend Trump. They were denied 😂😂
I call BS on the entire Federal Government WE ALL NEED TO VOTE NO CONFIDENCE
why did joe get this guy back on he gives the most evasive answers ever
Because Joe doesn’t like Trump. And this guy doesn’t either and feeds Joes ego by agreeing.
Because Joe is a CIA mole
My thoughts exactly. This guy is one of the biggest bullshit talk artists I have ever seen.
@@ValentinoRossFan46 makes me a little curious about Joe.
@@katieshimer2688 I have noticed he sometimes just goes along with bs and I do not know why he does.
can we please, for the love of god, stop calling him "former" cia agent???
Could you stop thinking Trump has the same powers of a real President?
@@enrique4693 Elaborate
@@enrique4693 when did Trump use his executive privileges after leaving the white house?
@AustinHalo There's a Timcast podcast where he talks about the Twitter (Elon) bot issue. He also gives examples of how to ID the bots. You should review that content try to out the bots on your favorite sites. Fun for all.
@@enrique4693 Compared to Biden?
Good answer here
lol asking the cia about the fbi is like calling the kettle black. they got no business attacking or talking about the fbi when they're probably worse.
He just didn't wanna talk smack about the FBI when we're all aware that there is a political faction within the FBI.
Every sane person is aware Trump is a dumb mental crook who would keep highly classified documents in his basement and the FBI raid was justified.
Evidence?
It's not fraction! The whole damn department is rotten to the core, and should be dismantled! Along with all the other alphabet agencies that exist currently!..smfh...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
@@DeathsInverse you must live in a cave in the wilderness somewhere
Political faction that has its strings pulled by CIA