How to corner or to turn tighter in Motorcycle: part 3, Slowing down while leaned
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2018
- If you guys want to increase your leaning skills, like tight turns, U-turns, brake when the bike is leaned, lean with less chance to slide, etc, don't hesitate to contact us and do a training course with us :
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The last part of the video... There is no magic, only several simple principes you'll have to accept to respect. So the difficulty is not so much a technical difficulty, but rather a psychological difficulty. This is why we are organising training courses to teach it. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Absolutelly brilliant!
Thank you :)
Thanks for sharing,love this experiment and the best part they are useful.... thanks
You're welcome :)
I almost died just now when I was doing slow speed in a intersection, I lost traction of the front tire and my bike wiggled abit but I got it back on balance. That’s how I end up in this video here now….
If the video can help you, I am glad. Maybe you should try this other one too :
czcams.com/video/BJB7HeSqB2c/video.html
And if you want, we are providing training course:
antipilotedelignedroite.fr/fr/accueil/fr/fr/accueil/en/training-courses-2/
impressive riding, and nice video !
Thank you :)
Here you can see the result while riding a GSXR1000 :)
czcams.com/video/w61ddD6N8z8/video.html
Merci,merci,merci. These last 3 video's have finally made sense for me. It is very good to see you doing figure 8's without holding the bars, this has helped explain a lot to me. The last clue for me was realising that you are using your footbrake to slow down and reduce the radius at 3.25, which is the first line in Conclusion 3 - 'to reduce the radius of a curve you have to reduce your speed while you are leaned'. It seems so obvious now. A very interesting point is at 5.52 when you are ejected off the bike, which shows as the radius reduces as long as your wheels are turning you will not fall into the turn but be ready for the increase in centrifical force.This helped explain your 'degressively' (opposite of progressive) braking and 'few pression' (little effect) on the bars 6.27. Thank you for explaining this with your videos.
You're welcome :) I am glad if it could help you :)
now... let's to the 4° part! talking about CASTER ANGLE!!
first english...
later french...
hehehehehe
You is the best teacher!!
lol Thank you :)
Now please translate 2 previous Parts because your school of teaching us how to properly ride on the bike is so rare, that I will watch it many times and never get bored.
I know I still have plenty to do to fighten my fear of doing the same.
Many, many Thanks for giving us this movie!
You are Great! :-)
Thank you, but... the other parts are already translated lol
YT got not informed me, but OK I look for them, thnx!
You're welcome :)
Top Thanks a lot.
You're welcome :)
Did you see the full movie? (this is only the third part)
Sir，I just join the gymkhana for around two month your action is very smooth and I have a same ride with you.Honda CBR650F and would you mind tell where can I find this kind of the frame slider?
Thank you for your message. This way of riding is like Japanese, and when you can do it, you can do that. But to do it, you have to forgot every thing you learn here in Europe ;)
What do you mean by "frame slider"? Do you mean, the protection I have for the engine ?
AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite yeah I mean the protection ,I just looking for this one for my ride two month ago I began to learn this kind of the riding skill ,my teacher is a Japanese people .And I ask him help me find this protection he tell me 2017 Honda CBR650F is too new ,So there was no fitting for my ride until I find your video . Too be honest after 2month exercise I can do some basic action .now I just fall in love with this kind of sport .
Sorry I mean would mind send me where can by the same protection frame or send me the link I by it on internet? waiting for your reply.
Hello Clément,
Is counter-steering necessary when riding at 90-100km/h+ etc speeds? Weight inputs and transfers seem too much effort when riding at high speeds.
However, at low speeds your style works as a charm.
I would love a reply, thank you!
Yes, what I am doing is harder at higher speed, is harder than counter steering but it is a training.
The more you train, the more "strengh" you are...
And time after time, you will not need to counter steer anymore :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite thank you very much Clément.
Could you briefly explain what you meant by "translation=rotation"?
thanks a lot
You're welcome :) I uploaded the full video, if you want to see it ?
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite so u don't want to counter steer , you just want to reduce speed and lean ?
@@LITTLEBRAT775081 It is not what I want, it is what I think I have to do. This way, the radius of the turn will decrease faster, so even if I loose some time (because I am slowing down the speed), I will end the turn earlier, and then re-accelerate earlier.
But it is not only about leaning: you have to be able to lean and to let the handlebar do what it wants to do. So this means to have another body position to be able to lean (it is not only th ebody inside the turn), and to be able to not have yourt strengh on the handlebar...
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite it is just weird because I was always taught to counter steer turns , but your experiment shows that leaning is a huge part too.
@@LITTLEBRAT775081 Yes, I know, here, in France, it is the same. And it seems that it is the same in lot of countries. I think the biggest problems comes from the fact that people like to ride fast with a motoprcycles, so they need a magical way to lean their bike, even if they ride fast. More over, the counter steering allows you to lean even if you are accelerating, so you feel confortable, as the bike is stable. The risk is that the trajectory is wider, and you have more chance to slide, but this two problems appears only some times, not all the time, so it is like a "Russian roulette" ;)
A question: is it a valid/effective technique If you use the front brake (a little bit) and use the throttle (accelerate) at the same time? I feels like it allows me to maintain constant speed, but allows me to turn tighter due to the compression of the forks - but I'm not sure if it's real or if it's my imagination.
It is true :)
When we start, it is always better to do what you describe with the rear brake instead of the front brake, but the effect is more effective with the front brake.
And you can have the same feeling if you have inertia :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Like letting off the throttle quickly, and using the forward mass transfer to steer more sharply? Is that what you mean by inertia?
as you get older, balance is thre first thing to go
? What do you mean ? Why do tell that here ?
nope, the bladder is the first to go, then you go and go every few minutes :D
Should you try something like this on a cruiser type of bike like Suzuki intruder / boulevard, Yamaha dragstar etc?
Already done during som courses ;)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite assuming that’s a yes, one can do this exercise on a cruiser. Thanks!
Do you initiate the lean with counter steering, or body position only?
Only with my body, I let it fall, and as I grab myself to the bike with my legs, then the bike falls with me :)
Thank you.
On turning tighter, Is not always to do the counter-steering?
No, you can do something else, as you can see it. Counter steering leans the bike to much faster, and the the bike wants to straighten itself if you let the handlebar turning to have the tighter turn
sorry for stupid question but how does the bike run without input to throttle?
On a modern bike, you can just release the clutch, with no throttle, the bike willnot stahl :)
the only trouble is - here in office it seems so easy, understandable and natural. But when I am on parking lot without this movie its pretty more difficult. anyway I like it..
:)
Why don't you come here to do a course ? It will be easier to learn :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite it's in my plans for May/June 2019. I have checked your website and will contact you by email in the spring. Regards Tomas
:) you'll be welcome. But please don't wait to much, as I have already some courses planned in May and June :)
When do you counter weight and when do you lean into the turn?
I don't counter weight, sorry, as I don't look where I go. And I don't lean, I let my body fall, and I play with the brakes to accelerate the fall of the bike and its rotation..
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite ah i see, do you counter weight from a standstill to do a u-turn, say at an intersection? (sorry beginner)
A nice question!
I wonder how the bike keeps riding without giving it throttle input 🤔
I increased the minimum idle on the cbr650f, but on the 500, I was in 4th gear with normal idle :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite understood, thanks!
Wish I had a beater bike I didn't care about to try this out. I'm not gonna attempt this on my Speed Triple RS
The main idea here is to release the force on the handlebar, and to adjust the speed in the same time. You can try without removing your arms from the handlebar, then, you can keep the throttle. You just have to try to be able to play with the throttle a,d the rear brake, without moving the handlebar yourself with your hand, but only with the lean angle of the bike :)
I love your videos. What brand is your steering damper and cage/slider? Where to buy it? Thank you
Thank you :)
I found the steering dumper here: fr.aliexpress.com/premium/Amortisseur-direction-cbr650f.html?SearchText=Amortisseur+direction+cbr650f<ype=wholesale&d=y&tc=ppc&blanktest=0&initiative_id=SB_20171012120706&origin=y&catId=0&isViewCP=y
Great tutorial...i will try what i learned from you...new friend here from philippines...i hope you can visit mine too..ride safe
Thank you, I hope it will help you, but be carefull, it is not easy to do... I would love to come, but it is exepensive lol
Let me see you do this with a fully tanked Honda ST1100A(Y) ;-)
If you mean, without hand, you just have to increase the idle, to be able to have a self acceleration, then you can only play with the rear brake :)
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Bonjour, merci pour tes videos!!! Have you rode a Honda ST1100? I think the dude is trolling you with this ST1100 question. I just sold mine. I don't know if it is due to the ST1100 fork angle or if it just wants to take the same turn faster? As opposed to the other bike I rode, on the ST1100 you really need to push the handle bar in the opposite direction in slow speed turns. It's seams it is not balanced to "follow" the bike without hand inputs. I could easily do tight turns right at the steering lock angle. But I suspect if I do it no hands, the steering will just slammed turn to the locking point as soon as I initiate the turn and would have thrown me over the bike in the same matter of the FAIL shown in this video when you tried to grab the post. ;-)
i need your contacts please
You can send me a mail here: contact@antipilotedelignedroite.fr
Or you can go on our website: antipilotedelignedroite.fr/fr/accueil/en/training-courses/
@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite sent u email, thx
Try demonstrating this video in actual scenario, mountain riding not in parking lot. Film your ride while showing this style or technique so we will see if it will really work on street/mountain riding whilst cornering Gymkhana style of riding is for competition riding only and it may not be useful in mountain riding in cornering. Peace...
There is no Gymkhana style, I am sorry... You can do Moto Gymkhana with any style you want. Moto Gymkhana is only rules about races : blue cone, go to the left, and red cone, go to the right, that's all. Technic is free.
And it seemsd you really don't know about the technic I am using: I am instructor for riders here, and they have to ride on traffic lanes in their real life, and for the exam, and especially in corners. So the technics I am teaching them help them to be able to corner. The fact that you can't ride like this, doesn't mean that it doesn't work... It just means that you can't do it like this, that's all. Peace...
Thats lies. how on earth is the bike then still moving without no throttle at all not even once
You can raise the idling rpm on some bikes which will cause it to move just by releasing the clutch. And some bike with lot of torque like 1000cc super bikes can move by just releasing the clutch.
You can do it with all kind of bike: I show it to my student even on 125cc... Increasing the idle allows just the bike to accelerate itself, and then you can play only with the rear brake to slow down/accelerate :)
When you now how to use the clutch, you can release it without stalling... And when the bike is moving, the speed creates inertia which reduce the need of torque.
After that, if you want the bike to accelerate itself, you need to increase the idle, and then to play with the rear brake.
So it is not a lie. It is just something you can't do...
Makes me understand science less.
Oh, why ?