The Rise and Fall of Valencia
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In 2014 Peter Lim became the majority shareholder at 6 time La Liga champions Valencia. His arrival was initially celebrated, but after years of financial turbulence, the fans are demanding his exit to preserve the club’s future.
What happened to Valencia? Why did it turn so toxic so quickly? What happened to their best players? And what happened to their new stadium?
Reuben Pinder explains. Illustrated by Marco Bevilacqua.
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#Valencia #LaLiga - Sport
You knew the owner was bad when he appointed untested Gary Neville 😂
He’s a Liverpool fan….
Or crooked
😂
I remember Valencia kits were selling more than some popular premier league clubs in early 2000’s they had an international fan base
Fun fact: Valencia is one of only three clubs (alongside Stade de Reims and Atletico Madrid) to have played in more than one European Cup/Champions League final without ever having won the trophy.
stade de reims is crazy
Feel free to just give the fact... you don't need to prefix it with fUN fAcT
What about Arsenal?
@@bradleyg7498 ?
@@comeandsaygg4444 Arsenal have played in just one UCL/European cup final, in 2006
It's actually very sad as a Valencia fan. This club deserves a better owner.
I've always had a soft sport for Valencia. It once seemed like they might be able to challenge the dominance of the big 2.5 in Spain. I'm sad it never came to pass.
2 and a half😂😂
Love the 2.5 🤣. Altetico shoot themselves half the time.
They were a big team in Europe up from late 90s up until 2004.
Atletico weren't a thing when Valencia were challenging the Big 2 and challenging in the CL.
They were either in Segunda or mid-table in La Liga.
@@Scallion_D So kinda like Man City before the Abu Dhabi takeover in '08, right?
I remembered Valencia playing so well the UCL final against Bayern. Hope this club can recover and comeback to the glory days.
All Europe was Valencia´s fan that day
Valencia were for a very long time the 3rd best team in Spain and is still the third most supported Spanish club in Spain. It's really sad to see their downfall. Hope they stay up this season and manage to stay in La Liga for the foreseeable future. It's never nice to see big clubs going down.
More than Sevilla and Atletico?
@@edguy6738 Yes
@@edguy6738 yes and betis was the bigger club in Seville until recently
@@edguy6738 Way more than both of them.
@@samelmudir Oh really, I always assumed Sevilla was the biggest club in Spain after Real, Barca and Atletico
The Fall of Valencia quite sad. It's gonna end up being like the fall of Sunderland, Blackburn Rovers and Nottingham Forest with all there history.. 😢
And Schalke 04
*their
@@isaacfung622 Hamburg too
Blackburn rovers don't really have any history a better example would of been Leeds.
@@highdefinitionstanleytm9614 Blackburn are a bigger club then Leeds
I'm a Valencia fan and this is such a good piece! Not easy for foreign media to have such a clear picture of what's going on locally, you love to see it!
Goes to show how much a good owner is necessary for a club to thrive
It’s not tho you only need a competent one
@@justsomeguy2743 i think that's what he meant by "good owner"
A bit of conjecture but all these owners have hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. They're successful in their field and it seems they think they can be successful in football. The smart owners, who maybe know a little, hire a good Director of Football, effectively a CEO, and get out of the way. With the owner acting as a quasi-board of directors who can fire the Director on bad performance.
How on Earth can Peter Lim, or Todd Boehly speak about tactics, etc. when they have zero clue about football.
Or better, there aren't any owners, so the clubs belong to the fans who support them
@@atkascha
That's why Todd Boehly brought Lampard back
That early in 2000’s team was so enjoyable to watch kily Gonzalez, mendieta , zahovic aimar ayala angulo Angloma Cláudio Lopez Gerard. And the terra mítica kit. Playing PES2 on psx1 doing the master league … ah the memories
Don’t forget Baraja and Albelda,one of the best central midfield partnerships ever in Spain.They played together for 10 years.
Valencia before Simeone's arrival they had the 3rd highest point tally of all time in la Liga.
Since the 2000s, 2 LaLigas, 2 Champions League finals (1 lost in penalties to Bayern), won the Europa League, a few Copas del Rey and a regular in European competitions.
For a short while Valencia felt like a more attractive option for some players than Barcelona to sign to, having World Class players, but during Mourinho-Guardiola era it felt like they had cemented themself as a valid 3rd place team, as financial issues ramped up, creating a "stagnation" that led to title races being a thing of the past.
It kind of reminded me of the Dortmund or Schalke of the Bundesliga, I just hope it doesnt follow through with going down like Schalke did...
They had the stadium being built that would have 72k capacity to capitalise on their success and massive fanbase but, as mentioned, now paralised since 2009. Now there is talks of downgrading its design and capacity by like 10-15k and remove the plans for an underground parking lot (which makes the project feel kind of redundant) just to continue the build because obvious the city council has complained about the massive ruins of cement in middle of the beautiful city...
An interesting Story is that the Prince of Johor, who basically created the most successful football team in Malaysia and is close to Peter Lim, showed repeated serious intentions of BUYING the club off Lim, watching matches at the stadium and posting about the legacy, history of the club, how beautiful the city is and how he would like to contribute to its success on his Instagram. However, after talks with Lim, the posibility of the takeover seemed to have vanished out of nowhere, either because of the incredibly strict Financial regulations imposed in LaLiga on clubs, making spending very restrictive, specially if these clubs are managing a debt, such as Barcelona or Valencia; or because he was straight up rejected by Lim because he refused to let go of "his asset".
I guess thats what the Worst Owners possible for almost 10 years, bad owners prior to Lim, bad dealing with debt plus other financial issues and HORRIBLY intrusive punishing LaLiga financial restrictions by Tebas does to a club that could and should 100% be in Atletico Madrid's position competing alongside them :(
Atletico > valencia
Well said.
@@eavyeavy2864 right now yes
When Peter Lim's daughter put on Instagram that they own the club and can do whatever they like with it, I was livid, and I'm not even a Valencia fan. Anyone who would say that about my own club would be thrown out the same day.
During the Genius Emery reign, Valencia got Villa, Mata, and Silva. I though, damn they would be better than Rafa Benitez era.
Then, all of sudden they blew the team up 😅
They also still have Vicente, Joaquin, Banega, Pablo Hernandez. One of the most exiting offensive team in the world.
They were in the last 16 of UCL just 3 years ago. I was so surprised when I saw them in the relegation zone this season. Sad, like Schalke and Leicester.
Dont let the table fool you, as a schalke fan the last 2 years are the beginning of a new start, avoiding past mistakes and in general the club is connected with the fans again, its been a blessing after years of mismanagement. Sure we got relegated and might go down again, but sometimes things need to break before they get fixed
@@memememe908 You guys have seriously turned things around in recent months after a horrible start to the season that looked like almost certain doom. Now this is genuine chance of survival. Incredibly tough especially after the recent Freiberg thrashing but possible nonetheless.
When was Leicester a big club they weren't never a regular in champions league or competed for league titles 😊
@@rashidkhalid3970 Leicester may not be "big" but they were very competitive in the league and even won it. They also have good players just that they're underperforming like West Ham.
@@taliamason7986 dude if we manage to stay up after having only 9 points at the world cup break and with the tough schedule for the rest of the season (bremen, mainz, bayern, frankfurt, red bull) it will be absolute scenes in Gelsenkirchen. But even if we go down there will some incredible away games again like last season (for example when we had 10000 away fans at a crucial gane in the tiny town of sandhausen whos stadium has only 15000 seats 😂
Thank you for this video, it’s terrible how Valencia has been run but it is also a huge shame that so few people outside Spain seem to care (and that those running Spanish football don’t care either)
Well said.
The fact that other than Marcelino no manager has been able to halt the problems with the club tells you everything. If your club can go basically a decade with different managers and players and get nowhere then the club is being horribly mismanaged. A shame as I had a soft spot for Valencia, one of those clubs who always seemed on the verge of greatness.
I pray to god they don't get relegated. That club played a major role in my childhood.
Valencia have always been my favourite Spanish club when I visited Valencia and were so kind to me
I was at the Real Sociadad game where they had protests and the 19th min whistle blowing whilst visiting Valencia in February. Even though the club is in turmoil on and off the pitch, you could really feel how passionate the fans are, and it's horrible to witness what bad ownership can do to a once great club. Got my fingers crossed for them 🤞
The history-like series of rise & fall is my favourite from Tifo. Incredible content and massive respect for Valencia, they should be a regular top 4. Also would be nice to see a Fall & Fall of Preston(the only former English champions that never played Premier League football and not even top level football since 1961) or a Fall & Rise of Ipswich(who are almost league one champions and things look good since the partnership with Ed Sheeran) or a Fall & possible rise of Sheffield Wednesday(four time English champions, absent from Premier League since 2000) or to go somewhere else from England, a Fall & Fall of Pro Vercelli(the team that has more league titles than Napoli, Fiorentina and Lazio combined, absent from Serie A since before ww2).
HITC Sevens channel has quite a few very good detailed "rise & fall" videos
I remember how much hype there was when Lim first joined. A sleeping giant that was ready to return to the big stage. But so much incompetence and corruption. i remember when Marcelino got sacked, it was the final straw for me. But when they FORCED the captain Parejo out of the club I became competitive disillusioned with any prospect of hope. And now look at us
As a València fan I really thank you for your explanatory video about the current situation of the club. The club’s situation is extremely delicated under Peter Lim’s ownership, It really looks like he wants to destroy the club as a, somehow, personal vendetta, Meriton (his company in football businesses) should be renowned worldwide by a company that any team should get involved with, so as Mendes… Anyway, once again thanks for the video, Amunt valencia from 🇮🇪🦇
Valencia fan from Ireland? Surely you know of the Famous St Patricks Pub then 👀
lim is a moron kicking marcelino out, if someone could manage that squad and create a structure to make recruitment and selling players easier it was marcelino.
As a Bayern fan i feel very bad for Valencia fans after the 2001 UCL final because they lost twice in a row. I hope they would win something big in the future ❤
Awesome video thanks for sharing
The 19th minute chant has been part of every game for over a year now, both in first and second halves of matches.
Hey, wonderfull video explaining the situation in Valencia.
Just one thing, Mateu alemany is not pronunciated like that, in places were catalan is spoken the NY is the same as the Ñ in spanish. It's a little thing but i noticed it and had to say something. Thanks for everything!!
Remember following them a lot as my team outside of my main team from my hometown in the 2000's, but then I lost interest around 2009/10, several of the players I liked went away (Villa, Silva) and then the whole debacle around the arena happened. It's a shame, I always looked forward to visit the city and watch a game on Mestalla or the new one.
Thank you for the video and awareness.
It is key to mention that the End of the Marcelino era was met with COVID and Lim panic sold all his good players to Villarreal for almost nothing, which is a wound theyve never been able to recover from
The choice of smooth jazz on these videos is exceptional
Thanks for sharing this information
The season the allowed parejo to leave on a FREE transfer ,it was when I knew this club would soon be relegated and + allot of youth with no experience players close to them
My first ever European game was at Valencia and I fell in love. Hate to see them like this and hope they can eventually get Lim out. Such an amazing city
Informative
Slightly unrelated to the video but Valencia is also a beautiful city. Hope the fortunes of the club improve
Great video 💯
Great work👌
Scarily similar to the situation at Everton..
Same stadium situation but it does seem that Everton's will be completed
The Nou Mestalla has been being built since 2007, one of the longest builds in history, only Arsenal's Premier League title drought is longer
Great video
I am a Valencia fan and this is such a good piece!
super excited
I didn't work out for Neville, but most people act like he was the only one who struggled at Valencia.
The club being in chaos has proven that most managers have struggled and they are now fighting relegation.
Very informative
Letting go KangIn Lee (for free wasn't it) seems like another bad decision
Thank U this for video
Nice information
great informatio awesome
PES 6 Valencia was a brilliant team on PlayStation.
The stadium follows the trajectory of a lot of projects in Valencia. The government splashed billions on vanity projects and so little on key infrastructure that it meant children were going to school in storage containers while the City of Arts and sciences was completed. Bankia was the merger of the Caja’s that failed with the financial crisis (Valencia’s being the worst offender) so that refinancing was set to fail as well.
I am a Valencia fan and this is such a good piece 👏
this valencia downfall reminds me a lot of schalke's last 5 years, two elite clubs in their respective leagues now struggling to stay up
Great video good content
So amazing 😍
Amazing 😍
I don't have experience about sports but this video made me crazy to watch and play
Love Valencia.
Really hope they stay up... but what surprises me most in the Lim era is not just 1 bad decision. That's forgivable. Even a few. Its repeatedly just bad move after bad move after bad move.
Ferran Torres is another relatively recent departure as well.
Looks like the local players from Valencia are fighting till death for this club and they manage to do decent in La Liga. They truly love the club, being at Valencia since they were 7-8-9 years.
They will give their life for this club, Mestalla its quite a fortress nowadays.
Nicely and very nice
Perfect 👌
Beautiful ❤️❤️❤️
I want to see them out. It would be interesting 🤨
So amazing
Super video
Best info
Great 👍👍 beautiful game
Awesome 👍👍
The problem is that not only has Peter Lim driven the club into the ground, but it's now to the point that most potential owners wouldn't touch the club with a ten foot pole, considering the debts. They might be stuck with the currently most hated owner in Spain.
That's amazing 🤩👏🤩👏🤩👏
incredible
Unsurprising that the owner chose Gary
Football = Man U for many "football fans" in the part of the world Lim comes from
The biggest thing you can criticise Gary Neville for is his silence over Lim and Valencia. He has never spoken out against it despite always claiming the moral high ground on several other controversial topics. He has to use his voice on this.
Nice series, Valencia after Brighton. Do alternate between ones on the rise and ones that are not.
Amazing
Beautiful
Creativity 😍
Excellent
Great video but why is running at 6 fps?
My favorite Spanish team sad 😞
crazy fall from grace
Fantastic
So nice
Detailed information
Very interesting
Nice video
excellent
Wonderful performance
Gooood information🥰👍 champions🏆🏆🏆
A Natorious organization thanks for letting us this usefull information
Can you do one of deportivo la coruna?
I remember back in time 2000-2012 was valencia club always on table in liga 1-5 places even barca ,real afraid . They have such good team even in the fc games i was love in the team but then only down fall :/
Very beautiful
Worth watching
The old stadium is great but the new stadium has so much potential. The club has been really downhill because of Lim and it’s insane to see a club of this size fall down so hard while other spanish teams have had good success across Europe
Sad scenes, I remember the Benitez years
it's so sad that a club like valencia suffering like this
It's a real tragedy what's happening to us. As the video correctly stated, we were in a pretty positive mood when Peter Lim bought the club. But we also knew that there was no other choice. That is an important fact for the story. The bank Bankia told Valencia that we need to get an investor or they'd cancel our credits which would have lead to bankrupcy and a restart in the 4th division. This was the reason the board started to look for investors. Peter Lim was one of their favourites. There was also a group of texan oil millionaires who bid a lot of money. And we were quite happy that they chose Lim, because the Texans didn't seem lime a good fit.
And now 10 years later I wonder if we should have just went with the 'Yee-haw' instead of that lunatic that is driving us into ruin....
Iam a huge fan of valancia
Cool video